SPAM Filter

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Group

I've  been away from Windows for a while but I'm now back home with XP
x64 and TheBat v 5.0.34.

I see we no longer have the BayesIT (? spelling) plug in for a variety
of reasons.

What  do  people use/recommend in its place? It's useful to be able to
identify SPAM and have it moved to a junk folder.

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SPAM Filter

[Raj]

Fellow TB users,

I was planning to set up a filter where in all mails addressed to me in which the 
sender's
name  is  not  in  the  address  book  is put in a different folder. As per the 
options in
'Advanced' in filters.

I  just  wanted  to check whether the filter will check for all addresses for a 
particular
entry  or  only the first one. In other words in case a person had multiple addresses 
do I
need  to have separate entries for each one or can I have a single entry which has all 
the
addresses.

TIA

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Spam filter

[Joseph N.]

I never paid much attention before in email client mailing lists to
discussions about spam filters because my spam was negligible.  It has
recently increased, though, presumably due to my email address being
on a web site.  Now I'm wondering about all those articles.  What is
the concept behind filtering for spam?  Is it to filter out known spam
sending addresses, or to filter out mail that has or does not have a
particular string?  Has anyone here had much success?  I need to have
a zero risk of false positives.


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Spam Filter

[John Phillips]

 Any generic type of filter that will pick up spam?  These days I get
 so much rubbish - be a millionaire in 30 days, send me money & make
 yourself rich, etc., Viagra without a prescription (I sure could do
 with some in any case ), etc. etc.

 Any one had any success in getting rid of these pests?

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K9 spam filter

[P.Johnson]

Hello,

I've set up K9 anti-spam and the TB filters to move spam to a junk
folder, but for some reason the filter isn't working. K9 allows you to
use the message header X-Text-Classification to identify spam for the
purpose of filtering it.

The filter is as follows:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [97E80840.01C492FE.7689AE34.682BBB08]
Name: K9\20Anti-Spam
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Text-Classification`0`\20spam\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5Cpatnet\5C$JUNK$
IsActive
endFilter

Email marked as spam stays resolutely in the inbox. Any ideas?

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Disabling spam filter

[Lynn]

Hi -

Since I upgraded the last time, this spam device has driven me bonkers.
I have just scanned over 800 messages here, and haven't found a fix, and
can only hope I haven't missed it. Thanks be that Batters are so good
about subject lines!

If the thing can't be disabled altogether, is it at least possible to
tell it to block or permit domain names? This business of
allowing/blocking each individual gif or jpg is totally insane! They
change with every mailing on much of this stuff, and filtering on those
defeats the purpose entirely!

TIA, and sorry for the desperation, but it takes me longer to mess
with that than to delete the spam!

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Re: SPAM Filter

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Jeff,

On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 you wrote:

JG> Hello Group

JG> I've  been away from Windows for a while but I'm now back home with XP
JG> x64 and TheBat v 5.0.34.

JG> I see we no longer have the BayesIT (? spelling) plug in for a variety
JG> of reasons.

JG> What  do  people use/recommend in its place? It's useful to be able to
JG> identify SPAM and have it moved to a junk folder.

Years ago a similar question was asked and the suggestion at
that time was K9 from KEIR.NET which I have used ever since
with great success. It's a Bayesian (sp?) filter which will
tag spam with the word SPAM in the subject line. From there
you can create a filter to move it to another folder.

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Re: SPAM Filter

[Steven P Vallière]

Jeff,

If the TB4 plug-ins are compatible with TB5, you might want
to take a look at the Regula Anti-spam plug-in.  I've been
using it ever since my mail server went to STARTLS (which
broke POPfile) about six months ago.  After a bit of training
Regula seems to be doing a good job of catching the spam that
gets through the mail server's filters.

http://www.gaijin.at/en/tbpregula.php


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Spam filter strings?

[ztrader]

I'm trying to set up some strings to filter spam. The actual filtering
will be done by a procmail receipe that will add header lines to allow
additional filtering by TB.

I'm a bit unsure of the exact syntax TB needs. An example string is:

[X-SBClass: Blocked | X-SBClass: Spam | X-SBClass: Bulk]

where one of the above may appear anywhere in the headers. Where do I
have to put which kind of quotes to get this to work as one of the
strings:

X-SBClass: Blocked OR X-SBClass: Spam OR X-SBClass: Bulk
  
Thanks,

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Re: SPAM Filter

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hi Raj,

Historians believe that Monday, September 10, 2001 at 16:05 GMT +0530
was when, Raj [R] typed the following:

R> I just wanted to check whether the filter will check for all
R> addresses for a particular entry or only the first one.

I use that as well.  TB looks at all of them, just like the %AB
macros.

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Re: Spam filter

[Chema Berian]

Hello Listers, 

On  Wed,  14 Nov 2001, at 18:19:00 [GMT -0600] (which was 1:19 where I
live) Joseph wrote:

JN> Is it to filter out known spam sending addresses, or to filter out
JN> mail  that  has  or  does not have a particular string? Has anyone
JN> here  had  much  success?  I  need  to  have  a zero risk of false
JN> positives.

I  think  most of us filter "good" addresses and assume rest are SPAM.
Of  course  is  necessary to *not* delete assumed SPAM for a few days,
and have a look searching for "good" addresses to save.

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Re: Spam filter

[Brian Clark]

Hi Joseph,

@ 7:19:00 PM on 11/14/2001, Joseph N. wrote:

JN> What is the concept behind filtering for spam?

This has been answered somewhat, but for the record:




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Re: Spam Filter

[David Elliott]

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Hi John,

On 12 December 2000 at 19:48:31 +1100 (which was 08:48 where I live) words
of wisdom emanated from John Phillips.

JP>  Any generic type of filter that will pick up spam?  These days I get
JP>  so much rubbish - be a millionaire in 30 days, send me money & make
JP>  yourself rich, etc., Viagra without a prescription (I sure could do
JP>  with some in any case ), etc. etc.

JP>  Any one had any success in getting rid of these pests?

Have a look at http://spamcops.net they might be able to help you.

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Re: Spam Filter

[Beat Strasser]

Hi John

>  Any generic type of filter that will pick up spam?  These days I get
>  so much rubbish - be a millionaire in 30 days, send me money & make
>  yourself rich, etc., Viagra without a prescription (I sure could do
>  with some in any case ), etc. etc.

>  Any one had any success in getting rid of these pests?

I've just programmed a mail filter which does his job quite well. It's
a  perl  script  that  is  executed  each  time when a mail arrives. A
message  is  treated  as  spam if the sender's ip is listed in ORBS or
MAPS. So, it does for each time two requests (example ip: 1.2.3.4):

  host 4.3.2.1.blackholes.mail-abuse.org
  host 4.3.2.1.relays.orbs.org

If  the  ip  127.0.0.2  is  returned, the probability is high that the
message  is  spam.  Because I don't delete the message, but send it to
another address, I take no risks.

Additionally, I check the subjects for some suspect strings.

So,  I  let  a  script  filter my mails *before* they arrive in my pop
account. 

So short,
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Re: Spam Filter

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:48:31 +1100, John Phillips wrote these
words of wisdom:

[...]
JP>  Any generic type of filter that will pick up spam?  These days I get
JP>  so much rubbish - be a millionaire in 30 days, send me money & make
JP>  yourself rich, etc., Viagra without a prescription (I sure could do
JP>  with some in any case ), etc. etc.

JP>  Any one had any success in getting rid of these pests?

It looks like the FAQ pages need a word on spam filtering. I'll have to
look into that. I'll give a summary of what I'd write here:

Maintaining spam filters to delete spam from your inbox is difficult
since spam artists change their addresses frequently and their
techniques of spamming vary. This will take too much out of you and the
spammers will win I guess. Furthermore you've done nothing to help
actually fight spam. Deleting spam at the server level seems nice
because the spam actually doesn't reach your inbox. Again, this has two
problems. Firstly, the headers of each message has to be checked which
takes time, so the concern of saving bandwidth isn't really achieved. You
also have the same problems maintaining the spam filters and you can
only filter based on characteristics of the headers and not the message
bodies. Be that as it may, there are many anti-spam shareware
applications available and these are updated frequently by the
developers. See 
for some.

The method Marck and I (among others) have been using is very effective
in two ways. The first is that the method requires minimal maintenance.
The second is that you can examine the spam, if you like, and report
them so that the spammers can have a little misery as well. We filter
spam by exclusion, the principle here being that if we can actually
filter all messages that we know are legitimate, then the rest of
messages must be spam. This simple principle is amazingly accurate.

Spammers tend to send BCC's of their spams to their victims. So we know
now that there's an overwhelming characteristic about spam in that it's
almost never addressed directly to you. I do receive the occasional spam
message addressed directly to me but they're few and far between and
tolerable. :=) So:

a) Create filters for all your family members, friends and associates
who send e-mail to you. You may have already done so.

b) Create filters for all your discussion list messages and newsletter
type messages. These you may have largely been created already. This
part takes some time to refine since a lot of these messages are not
addressed directly to you. If you don't create filters for them, they'll
end up in your spam folder.

c) The penultimate filter in your filter list should be one that
filters, to the inbox, all messages that are addressed directly to you.
This basically will catch the occasional legitimate message that you
haven't created a filter for.

Filter string: 'your email address'
Location: 'recipient'
Presence: 'yes'


d) The last filter should be one that moves all messages not yet
filtered by the previous filter rules to a special folder ... I call it
my spam folder. This folder will contain only BCC'd messages or messages
not addressed directly to you.

filter string: 'e'
Location: 'anywhere'
Presence: 'yes'

If you wish to actively fight spam and wish not to actually learn how to
trace these pests you definitely should take a look at
. It does all the tracing for you in a flash.

If you wish to learn how to trace them yourself there's a lot of info on
the internet in that regard, but I personally suggest looking at the
freeware application 'Sam Spade' . It
provides the tools you need to trace these pesty characters and the
documentation is great. Their homepage contains all the application
documentation which gives some tutorials on how to examine spam message
headers.

PS// I'll need to keep this one for personal transmission to anyone who
may ask the question again.

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Re: Spam Filter

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello John,

   In a post time stamped  re: "Spam Filter" you wrote:

John> Any generic type of filter that will pick up spam?

   I'm sure you will get a lot of suggestions on this -- some more
   ingenious than others -- but one simple way is to filter out any
   email that arrives in your inbox that *isn't* addressed to you.

   TB!'s filtering system is very malleable & you will always find
   substantial, good humored & patient support on this list.

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Re: Spam Filter

[Brian Clark]

(ACM == "A. Curtis Martin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ACM> The method Marck and I (among others) have been using is very
ACM> effective in two ways. The first is that the method requires
ACM> minimal maintenance. The second is that you can examine the spam,
ACM> if you like, and report them so that the spammers can have a
ACM> little misery as well. We filter spam by exclusion, the principle
ACM> here being that if we can actually filter all messages that we
ACM> know are legitimate, then the rest of messages must be spam. This
ACM> simple principle is amazingly accurate.

I'll say! Since Marck suggested this to me a few weeks ago, very
little SPAM makes it to my Inbox. I'll bet I've seen only one that
made it into my Inbox since I implemented this filtering method.

It'll take a few tries to make sure you're filtering the _known_ stuff
-- that is meant for you -- though. After that, it /is/ pretty darn
accurate. However, I'd suggest not deleting stuff from the server
before it gets to you unless you have a lot of faith. I just redirect
it into a SPAM folder and check it every so often.

So far, I can usually just check the folder and hit Ctrl+Del ;-)

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Spam Filter - Not Spam

[Michael Rudnick]

I've been using the BayesIT! Spam filter for over a week, long enough
to tag quite a few messages as Spam and several as Not Spam. I'm still
having a problem with one set of messages.

I support several servers. That includes getting messages from the
server notifying that a virus was found. I currently have a filter
that moves the message to the appropriate folder. The message from one
of my clients continues to be marked as Spam. Here's the log message
from one of them:

  3/9/2004, 08:14:57: FILTER - Message from Administrator to
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject [MailServer Notification]To
  Administrator virus found and action taken. scored 91, qualified as
  JUNK MAIL

I keep on marking these messages as NOT Spam (I've been getting quite
a few of them lately) but they are still going into the Junk folder.
Any suggestions on eliminating this problem?

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Mark Partous]

Hello P.Johnson,

Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 4:55:58 AM, you wrote:

PJ> The filter is as follows:

PJ>  TB! Message Filter 
PJ> beginFilter
PJ> UID: [97E80840.01C492FE.7689AE34.682BBB08]
PJ> Name: K9\20Anti-Spam
PJ> Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Text-Classification`0`\20spam\0D\0A}
PJ> MoveMessage folder \5C\5Cpatnet\5C$JUNK$
PJ> IsActive
PJ> endFilter

PJ> Email marked as spam stays resolutely in the inbox. Any ideas?

This one works for me:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [4A31FDE0.01C49062.236C3EE8.40D55E8C]
Name: K9\20Spam
Filter: {0\0D\0A0`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20spam\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5CMark\5CInbox\5CSpam\20Trap\20K9
DeleteFromServer
IsActive
IsSendQueue
endFilter

I already had it in the OFS.

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello P.Johnson,

Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 4:55:58 AM, you wrote:

> I've set up K9 anti-spam and the TB filters to move spam to a junk
> folder, but for some reason the filter isn't working. K9 allows you
> to use the message header X-Text-Classification to identify spam for
> the purpose of filtering it.

Just to be on the safe side - you do have defined the header field
"X-Text-Classification" in Preferences | Messages | Message Headers?

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello P.Johnson & everyone else,

on 30-Nov-2004 at 17:11 you (P.Johnson) wrote:

> K9 learns and works very quickly

Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a
day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh*


> so this is frustrating; don't know whether it's a K9 problem or a TB
> problem, but suspect the latter.

Is it a common filter? Maybe you've just forgotten to share it with your
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Re: K9 spam filter

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

My filter looks like this:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [564C1620.01C4B05E.1A441C3F.7FE14B3D]
Name: SPAM
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20junk\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
MarkRead
SetColour 226723330
IsActive
Ignore
IsSendQueue
endFilter

and it works perfectly. It is the last filter in a list of *account*
filters.

It has nothing to do with K9, but this common filter works, too:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [9E420870.01C4ADF9.5ED08BA5.73489440]
Name: junk
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`4`2`Get\20a\20capable\20html\20e-mailer\0D\0A}
SetColour 1981009950
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
MarkRead
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter

BTW, is there a way to let TB display the filters in a more readable
and accessible format?

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Code 2 & everyone else,

on 30-Nov-2004 at 19:06 you (Code 2) wrote:

ASK>> Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a
ASK>> day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh*

> They're troublesome for my filter, too. I figure it's because except for
> spam words like Nigeria, Togo and Central African Republic, the text is
> generally found in the "good" word database.

Yes, but its odd that PopFile always successfully identified them, while
I've been training K9 for 20 days or something and it still misses them...

> The blacklist feature now helps me filter these more effectively.

I just activated K9's DNS blacklist, hope it helps... I'm tempted to
improve my english cursing and swearing skills on those guys a lot, really.
:-)

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Thorvald Neumann & everyone else,

on 30-Nov-2004 at 19:00 you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote:

> Filter: {\0D\0A\20`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20junk\0D\0A}

You altered the default header from "spam" to "junk". Unless Pat did that,
it won't work for her. :-)

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote:
ASK> Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a
ASK> day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh*

BayesFilter catches these for me nicely.
It is weak on other mails though :(


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Re: K9 spam filter

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 19:24, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
> You altered the default header from "spam" to "junk". Unless Pat did that,
> it won't work for her. :-)

Ah, yes. I thought my old PopFile-filters would work with K9 when I
just changed the header-addition. And guess what, the filters work...
;)

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote:
ASK> Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a
ASK> day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh*

Hi Alexander,

I usually alert the company which email is being abused by sending a mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have collect so friendly thank you´s like this one today:

ASK> Dear Sir/Madam,
ASK> 
ASK> Thank you for bringing a 419 Internet abuser to our attention. 
ASK> 
ASK> We have identified the user, locked the mailbox and rendered the account 
unusable.
ASK> 
ASK> We would like to take this opportunity to thank you once again for bringing
ASK> this to our attention and for helping us to address this serious issue.
ASK> 
ASK> Yours faithfully
ASK> Tiscali Abuse Team
ASK> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Taking action is always better then sitting still and taking the punches :)

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Gerard & everyone else,

on 30-Nov-2004 at 19:44 you (Gerard) wrote:

ASK>> Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a
ASK>> day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh*

> BayesFilter catches these for me nicely.
> It is weak on other mails though :(

It may depend on how you handle whitelisted mails. I added the TB lists
(and a couple of other english lists) to the whitelist and had the
whitelisted messages added to the ham database (I thought it would be good
to let the ham database), but now it seems to me it is better to let the
whitelisted mails not go to the database since the english language 419
mails get thru, maybe there'se too little difference...

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 8:35:09 PM, you wrote:
ASK> now it seems to me it is better to let the
ASK> whitelisted mails not go to the database since the english language 419
ASK> mails get thru, maybe there'se too little difference...

That is how I have set it up.

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello P.Johnson & everyone else,

on 30-Nov-2004 at 18:51 you (P.Johnson) wrote:

ASK>> Is it a common filter? Maybe you've just forgotten to share it with your
ASK>> accounts.

> I've set up two separate filters for the two accounts, using two slightly
> different conditions. And, neither works consistently. It seems strange
> that some mail classified as spam would be moved to the correct folder,
> and others also marked would not be moved by the filter.

I've configured K9 to *not* add the spam percentage count to the header so
that it'll simply contain "spam".

IIRC the default setting is to include that counter so the header is
"spam[89]" or something. Maybe thats the problem.

> Thanks for your help!

Now, if it would only work! :-)

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Dick H.]

Hello Gerard,

On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 19:44:25 GMT +0100 (which was
19:44:25 where I live), Gerard wrote and made these valuable points on
the subject of "K9 spam filter":

G> ON Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote:
ASK>> Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a
ASK>> day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh*

G> BayesFilter catches these for me nicely.
G> It is weak on other mails though :(

That's why I stopped using a Bayes based filter. The spammers are getting very 
smart and know their ways to "cheat" these filters. I installed a 
challenge/response based spam filter and not a single spam mail got to my inbox 
 since then (and that without training it ;-) ). 

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Jernej Simoncic]

On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 22:02:04, Dick H. wrote:

> That's why I stopped using a Bayes based filter. The spammers are
> getting very smart and know their ways to "cheat" these filters. I
> installed a challenge/response based spam filter and not a single spam
> mail got to my inbox  since then (and that without training it ;-) ). 

No problems with bayesian filters here - OTOH, I ignore challenges from
challenge-response systems, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
Nothing is more annoying than somebody asking you for help, and then, when
you answer him, getting "Please reply to this message to confirm" or "Click
this link". (Well, there may be another, even more annoying thing - that is
C/R systems that autosubscribe themselves to mailing lists, or C/R that
challenges every poster to a mailing list).

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Re: K9 spam filter

[Dick H.]

Hello Jernej,

On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 at 22:18:06 GMT +0100 (which was
22:18:06 where I live), Jernej Simoncic wrote and made these valuable
points on the subject of "K9 spam filter":

JS> On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 22:02:04, Dick H. wrote:

>> That's why I stopped using a Bayes based filter. The spammers are
>> getting very smart and know their ways to "cheat" these filters. I
>> installed a challenge/response based spam filter and not a single spam
>> mail got to my inbox  since then (and that without training it ;-) ). 

JS> No problems with bayesian filters here - OTOH, I ignore challenges from
JS> challenge-response systems, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
JS> Nothing is more annoying than somebody asking you for help, and then, when
JS> you answer him, getting "Please reply to this message to confirm" or "Click
JS> this link". (Well, there may be another, even more annoying thing - that is
JS> C/R systems that autosubscribe themselves to mailing lists, or C/R that
JS> challenges every poster to a mailing list).

I fully understand your objections against such a system but there are 
challenge-response systems and challenge-response systems. Whenever I send a 
message to somebody (even when it is not yet in my address book) and this 
persons replies to my email, his answer will end up straight in my inbox and no 
message is being sent first for any confirmation. As I have loaded my address 
book in this filter, I haven't received any complaints from my friends, etc. 
(they simply don't know that I have such a filter active). What I have seen is 
that my blacklist is growing and growing with many spam email addresses.

IMHO, I'm afraid that Bayes based spamfilters will lose the battle in the long 
run as the spammers will figure out ways to bypass it.

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Problem with Spam Filter

[Grumpy Gamer]

Hi,

I have a filter thus:
Name: Spam (Known)
Condition: Sender Contains @neco.com.au
Action: Delete the Message from the Server

Today I received an email from "Neco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". The
filter was triggered (the account log says that the email was
processed by "Spam (Known)". Problem is, the message was then
delivered to my inbox (and it says that in the same line in the
account log also). Can anyone tell me why the Action did not occur
(delete from server)?
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Re: Disabling spam filter

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Lynn,

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:03:21 -0800GMT (27-1-2009, 22:03 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

L> If the thing can't be disabled altogether, is it at least possible to
L> tell it to block or permit domain names? This business of
L> allowing/blocking each individual gif or jpg is totally insane! They
L> change with every mailing on much of this stuff, and filtering on those
L> defeats the purpose entirely!

You're  talking  about  the  Download  URL  manager, that isn't a spam
filter, but gives you the possibility to configure from what sites you
want to see the pictures and from what sites not.
Don't  select the individual messages, but their root when choosing to
allow or block.

AFAIK You can't disable the feature.

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Re: Disabling spam filter

[Dwight Corrin]

On Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 3:56:27 PM, Lynn wrote:

> Many have several roots, as many as 5 on the worst. And it is evident
> that they change the content from mailing to mailing, so that one
> determination is not enough. EBay notices frequently have several; since
> various items/vendors are involved, how could they be the same? Should I
> have to allow every vendor notification they send out??? I've been
> fighting the thing ever since I installed that version. I can't believe
> I'm the only user with this issue!

you can always just allow everything

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Re: Disabling spam filter

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Lynn,
Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 3:03:21 PM, you wrote:

L> If the thing can't be disabled altogether, is it at least possible to
L> tell it to block or permit domain names? This business of
L> allowing/blocking each individual gif or jpg is totally insane! They
L> change with every mailing on much of this stuff, and filtering on those
L> defeats the purpose entirely!

If you are referring to the URL manager then you can disable it entirely or call
it up as needed.

To  open  it  click  on  the  earth  icon  on the header bar and select Show URL
Manager.  There  you can de-select the show this window automatically check box.
This will cause TB to ignore HTML pictures and act like TB used to.

You can also open this same window when you receive an email you want to see the
pictures  in  and allow them for that email. This usually lets all pictures from
that emailer through from that point on.

I hope this is what you meant, if not please ignore me altogether. ;>)
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Re: Disabling spam filter

[Jens Franik]

Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 at 01:05, Lynn wrote:

> I'm not seeing an earth icon.
> Perhaps I have an alternate skin or toolbox option?

More likely, that you have to view a HTML Mail to make it appear.
The  other  way  is  to  customize  the  Toolbar  and  set up the Icon
yourself.

It is in All_Actions/Message_Viewer/Show_URL_Manager

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Re: Disabling spam filter

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 28 January 2009 at 4:28:04 AM, in
, Jens Franik wrote:



> Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 at 01:05, Lynn wrote:

>> I'm not seeing an earth icon. Perhaps I have an
>> alternate skin or toolbox option?

> More likely, that you have to view a HTML Mail to make
> it appear.

It only appears here if I click on the HTML tab of an email that has
external links (to images or whatever.) I usually only do that if the
layout of the plaintext display is too poor to understand the message
and I think it might be something important or interesting.

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Re: Disabling spam filter

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 27 January 2009 at 10:04:47 PM, in
, Dwight Corrin wrote:


> you can always just allow everything

How? (Just curious.)


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Re: Disabling spam filter

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 27 January 2009 at 11:50:34 PM, in
, Stuart Cuddy wrote:


> you can de-select the show this window automatically check box. This
> will cause TB to ignore HTML pictures and act like TB used to.


Brilliant. I saw this window rarely enough that it was only a minor
irritation. Now you have told me how to suppress it. Thank you!

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A Useful spam filter

[Mark]

Dear Bats

Here is a regex spam filter folks might find useful

It picks up emails addressed to a whole bunch of people with the
same starting letter or the same domain, eg in my case something
like.

[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .

or

[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .


Does this for several formats of this type of addressing. Change
the first letter and suffix to suit yourself. Clearly if you
regularly get genuine emails with loads of consecutive recipients
in the same domain you may want to drop that latter part or
increase the number of recipients required.

Picks up about 10% of my spam

For those who down know, select the whole text below and paste
into your filters (after changing the letter "a" to your letter,
and the "btinternet" to the bit after the @ in your email
address.

BeginFilter
Name: Alphabetics
Active: 1
Source: (change to suit you)
Target: (change to suit you)
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 40a.+,a.+,a.+,a.+,
AltSet:1: 40a.+ , a.+ , a.+ ,a.+ ,
AltSet:2: 40
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: 
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter



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Re:A Useful spam filter

[Mark]

RK> Hi Mark,

RK> That is a good way to start, but there are more powerful spam filters.
RK> SAProxy is a Windows incarnation of SpamAssassin, a very widely used and
RK> ...
RK> training but seems pretty stable and dependable.

I think there are two schools of thought here. I for one prefer
to deal with spam with my own filters - the absolute last thing I
want is for some third party tool to decide what mail I get. I
want to understand EXACTLY how my mail is triaged and why,
particularly on my critical accounts.

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Re:A Useful spam filter

[Csaba Kiss]

Hello,

Friday, June 13, 2003, 1:02:32 AM, you wrote:

CK> There's only one problem that I saw, which is
CK> negligible. If one receives an e-mail with a large attachment, K9
CK> chews on it for quite some time. You can give it a try here:
CK> http://keir.net .

I have just checked. The new 1.05 version already corrected this
problem by limiting the size of the filtered e-mail messages.

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Re:A Useful spam filter

[Csaba Kiss]

Hello,

Thursday, June 12, 2003, 11:44:19 PM, you wrote:

RK> Hi Mark,

RK> On Thursday, June 12, 2003, 23:17:05, Mark wrote:
>> Here is a regex spam filter folks might find useful
RK> That is a good way to start, but there are more powerful spam filters.
RK> [...]

I used spampal with quite good success. You can download it from here:
http://www.spampal.org.uk
I tried to use different plugins with it mainly regex and bayesian
plugins. But in my experience, it worked best without those. They gave
me too many false positives, which in my mind is more dangerous than
having some spam spill-over in my mailbox.

Two months ago, I heard about a new bayesian filter called K9. Since I
love dogs and wanted a statistical filtering, I installed it. I can
only say good things about it. After a week teaching it is nearly
perfect over 98%. You can use white- and black list, but in my case it
was not necessary. There's only one problem that I saw, which is
negligible. If one receives an e-mail with a large attachment, K9
chews on it for quite some time. You can give it a try here:
http://keir.net .

Both are free, by the way!
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Re:A Useful spam filter

[Mark]

>> I want to understand EXACTLY how my mail is triaged and why,
>> particularly on my critical accounts.

MA> Unfortunately, it is my sad yet considered opinion the choice to do
MA> your own filtering is evaporating. My friend told me boastfully about
MA> how his Iowa (USA) ISP was "Filtering" his mail with a bayesian
MA> filter. I pointed him to a free bayesian filter he could operate
MA> locally, knowing exactly what was getting bounced.

I politely beg to disagree. I think simple self filtering of spam
is easy for most people. More than 95% of all my wanted email is
both addressed to me and comes from someone with whom I have
previously corresponded in my address book (2000 names), or comes
from a dozen or so servers (eg. my University). Of the remaining
5% of wanted mail, it is difficult to imagine anything that would
fail to mention my name (Dear Mark, Hi Mark, Mark, Hello Mark) or a
few dozen keywords that any novel new person approaching me would have
to mention to be of any interest whatsoever. Clearly this
doesn't apply to everyone who uses email, but I would guess it
applies to 95% of us out there who use our email addresses with
a modicum of discretion.

A few simple filters help to ice the cake (not addressed to me,
multiple similar addressees, a few nasty keywords, foreign
characters in subject, and routings through a few countries
through which legitimate mail to me would never be sent).

I really think it is OTT to suggest that The BAT! alone couldn't
suffice for most people. The critical aspect of spam detection is
*NEVER* to miss *IMPORTANT* legitimate mail and I think it is
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Re:A Useful spam filter

[Csaba Kiss]

Hello,

Friday, June 13, 2003, 6:49:12 PM, you wrote:

MA> 

>> The filtering system you presented, if I remember correctly, rejects
>> all HTML email out of hand.  This seems kinda draconian to me.  I'll
>> bet a lot of those rejections are false positives.  POPFile actually
>> reads the HTML and can correctly distinguish spam-HTML from
>> non-spam-HTML.

MA> To this author, e-mail is text; HTML belongs on the web; HTML in
MA> e-mail is spam.

No, it is not. There's no need to be paranoid about e-mails.

MA> Read my lips: Not a thing draconian about that logic.

Your rules are way too serious in my opinion. But if this is that
blows your hair back. Go with it!
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Re:A Useful spam filter

[Csaba Kiss]

Hello,

Friday, June 13, 2003, 7:44:22 PM, you wrote:



MA> Fine. Those who created e-mail, and I was present for that, are
MA> declared the losers, and those who want to send pretty flowers and
MA> silly pink backgrounds with their e-mails (never mind that it gets
MA> bloated 10-times necessary size), are declared in your book victorious
MA> and I, with my stodgy old ideas of what e-mail is and should be--am
MA> the "enemy."

The era of 28k modems are over. Get on with it! I could not care less
if a message is 1 kb or 10 kb, or God forbid 1 Mb.

MA> "Paranoid/" Please get serious, and stop with the left-handed insults
MA> already my young friend. Want me to put your e-mail address on usenet
MA> just so you can see what some people have deal with? Of course not.

Listen old man! Looking at your e-mail rules I tend to think that you
are the kind of man who is capable of doing that.

MA>>> Read my lips: Not a thing draconian about that logic.

>> Your rules are way too serious in my opinion.

MA> I will defend your right to have an opinion. I will defend your right
MA> to express that opinion. Kindly respect my right to have mine and to
MA> disagree without insulting me.

I am sorry, I do not even know what you mean by that. Probably my
English is not good enough for that. I have not insulted you. But the
"read my lips" expression was a bit too harsh. Please read my email
and think again!

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Re:A Useful spam filter

[Csaba Kiss]

Hello,

Friday, June 13, 2003, 8:10:43 PM, you wrote:

nwd> Whilst I'm not a moderator of this list, may I remind the majority of you
nwd> who are chatting in this thread that this list is about an email program
nwd> called "The Bat!", and not Spam filtering, the internet and privacy, and
nwd> whatnot.

nwd> Thank you.

Spam filtering is a crucial part of handling e-mails.  Even The Bat
does it. I don't see any off-topic in it.
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Re: Spam filter strings?

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Hi ztrader,

On 27 August 2000 at 16:50:50 GMT -0700 (which was 00:50 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Spam filter strings?":

z> I'm  a  bit  unsure of the exact syntax TB needs. An example string
z> is:

z> [X-SBClass: Blocked | X-SBClass: Spam | X-SBClass: Bulk]

z> where one of the above may appear anywhere in the headers. Where do
z> I have to put which kind of quotes to get this to work as one of
z> the strings:

z> X-SBClass: Blocked OR X-SBClass: Spam OR X-SBClass: Bulk

You have a choice of two (similar) ways.

1) Set up a filter which specifies a match string of '[X-SBClass:
Blocked]|[X-SBClass: Spam]|[X-SBClass: Bulk]' location "Kludges"
presence "Yes".

The single quotes in the signal string are significant.

2)  Set  up  a filter with a main and two alternatives for each of the
signal strings, again for location Kludges.

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Re: Spam filter strings?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello ztrader,


On  Saturday, August 26, 2000  at  20:27:56 GMT -0700 (which was 8:27 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> Thanks for the tip. I set it up as you suggested. Here's a copy of the
> string right out of the 'strings' box:

> '[X-SBClass: Blocked]|[X-SBClass: Spam]|[X-SBClass: Bulk]'



> The message was not sent to the spam folder, as I had hoped, even
> though it should have a match. Might I need additional parenthesis, or
> is there another reason this is not working? Is the : a special
> character, perhaps?

 I think your filter string is probably to blame here.  I find using
 the pipe symbol for OR is ambiguous.

 Try the following:

 String Location Presence
 X-SBClass: Blocked Kludges  Yes

 Then click on the Alternative tab and click on Add Set
 In the new set that is added, put the following

 String Location Presence
 X-SBClass: SpamKludges  Yes

 Click Add set again, and make the new set read:

 String Location Presence
 X-SBClass: BulkKludges  Yes

 This is the least ambiguous way of getting what you need.


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Re: Spam filter strings?

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Hi ztrader,

On 27 August 2000 at 06:32:01 GMT -0700 (which was 14:32 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Spam filter strings?":

JA>>  I  think  your  filter  string is probably to blame here. I find
JA>>  using the pipe symbol for OR is ambiguous.

z> Are  you  suggesting  that  it  does not work as an OR, or is there
z> something wrong with the string I was using?

I never use it myself - it's very hard to get it to work right.

JA>>  Try the following:

JA>>  String Location Presence
JA>>  X-SBClass: Blocked Kludges  Yes

JA>>  Then click on the Alternative tab and click on Add Set

z> Perhaps I was confused by reading help. I thought adding another set
z> implied an AND function, as per the example in help. I note that there
z> are two places to put in multiple strings, though. Is the
z> 'Alternatives' section an implied OR for the sets?

Exactly.

z> If so, what is done if there are multiple strings in *both* sections?
z> How are the multiple ANDs and ORs combined?

Use  the  "Add" button on the front page to add "AND" strings. Use the
Alternatives  page  and  the  "Add set" button to add "OR" strings. To
have "AND" tests /within/ an "OR" additional set, use -

Clear? Probably not! ;-).

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Re: Spam filter strings?

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Hi ztrader,

On 27 August 2000 at 07:44:08 GMT -0700 (which was 15:44 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Spam filter strings?":

MDP>> Exactly.

z> OK - got that :-). Might be worth a mention in the help file.

The  help  file is another issue. Sometimes it gets updated, sometimes
it doesn't. The main help for TB is right here on the UDL.

MDP>> To  have  "AND"  tests  /within/  an  "OR"  additional  set, use
MDP>> -

MDP>> Clear? Probably not! ;-).

z> Still a bit of fog here. Are you suggesting that I can make a
z> construct like:

z> (A or B or (C and D and (E or F)))?

z> If so, I'm a bit hazy (that fog again :-) on how to do it.

Well,  'A'  is a simple test on the main filter page, 'B' is the first
Alternative  set  while the second alternative set is far more complex
containing three match strings (added with Alt-Ins) of which the third
is  a composite string with the '|' (pipe) character to create the '(E
or F)' condition - if you can make it work!

I  would say that once a filter gets that complex I would tend to make
two simpler filters that work in sequence to do the whole job.

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Re: Spam filter strings?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo ztrader,

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:44:08 -0700 GMT (27/08/2000, 22:44 +0800 GMT),
ztrader wrote:

z> OK - got that :-). Might be worth a mention in the help file.

Yep.

z> Still a bit of fog here. Are you suggesting that I can make a
z> construct like:

z> (A or B or (C and D and (E or F)))?

No need to get acquainted with good old George Boole:

- All the conditions you "add" on the first tab ("rule") are "AND" to
the fist condition.

- All the conditions you 'add" on the second tab ("alternatives") are
"OR" to all other conditions, including the ones in the first tab and
each others.

... and the interface design is unclear. I'm thinking about
suggestions how to improve that. Any ideas?

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Re: Spam filter strings?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Marck,

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:01:49 +0100 GMT (27/08/2000, 23:01 +0800 GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> Well,  'A'  is a simple test on the main filter page, 'B' is the first
MDP> Alternative  set  while the second alternative set is far more complex
MDP> containing three match strings (added with Alt-Ins) of which the third
MDP> is  a composite string with the '|' (pipe) character to create the '(E
MDP> or F)' condition - if you can make it work!

Sorry... could you translate this into English? ;-)

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Re: Spam filter strings?

[Ming-Li]

Hi ztrader & Marck,

z>> Still a bit of fog here. Are you suggesting that I can make a
z>> construct like:

z>> (A or B or (C and D and (E or F)))?

> Well,  'A'  is a simple test on the main filter page, 'B' is the
> first Alternative  set  while the second alternative set is far
> more complex containing three match strings (added with Alt-Ins)
> of which the third is  a composite string with the '|' (pipe)
> character to create the '(E or F)' condition - if you can make it
> work!

If you really hate to use the '|' operator, or somehow '|' doesn't
work (it always works here, so I use it all the time), you may parse
the same condition to

A or B or (C and D and E) or (C and D and F)

and use four rule sets (1 primary plus 3 alternatives) to do it.

> I  would say that once a filter gets that complex I would tend to make
> two simpler filters that work in sequence to do the whole job.

I agree. It's usually easier to debug that way.

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one of which involves dealing with the cable company (AT&T Cable
Service) and the Internet over cable modem service provider (ISP
Channel). I still haven't got my cable modem service, yet. :( Having
used to ethernet connection for the past two years, dial-up modem
connection is really killing me. Hope I can get my cable modem
connection before the school begin (when the modem pool starts
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Re: Spam filter strings?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello ztrader,


On  Sunday, August 27, 2000  at  18:38:27 GMT -0700 (which was 6:38 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> Now that we've established that it is possible to have complex
> conditions in rules, it would be helpful to me to see exactly how it
> is implemented in TB, with all the necessary extra characters in just
> the right places. Sometimes a few good examples are worth a lot of
> words and emails :-).

 I'll give it a shot, but the filters don't really convert to plain
 text too well.  So there will still be a few words...

> This might be the best example to show how complex notation goes in
> TB:
z (A or B or (C and D and (E or F)))?

 Try the following:

 String Location Presence
 A  Kludges  Yes

 Then click on the Alternative tab and click on Add Set
 In the new set that is added, put the following

 String Location Presence
 B  Kludges  Yes

 Click Add set again, and make the new set read:

 String Location Presence
 C  Kludges  Yes
 D  Kludges  Yes
 E|FKludges  Yes


> And this is good to show how multiple rules are made to interact:
ML>> A or B or (C and D and E) or (C and D and F)
ML>> and use four rule sets (1 primary plus 3 alternatives) to do it.

 String Location Presence
 A  Kludges  Yes

 Then click on the Alternative tab and click on Add Set
 In the new set that is added, put the following

 String Location Presence
 B  Kludges  Yes

 Click Add set again, and make the new set read:

 String Location Presence
 C  Kludges  Yes
 D  Kludges  Yes
 E  Kludges  Yes

 Click Add set again, and make the new set read:

 String Location Presence
 C  Kludges  Yes
 D  Kludges  Yes
 F  Kludges  Yes


> I would find these most helpful - and, hey, they might be good to put
> in the help file :-).

 Probably more confusing than what is currently there.
 


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Re: Spam filter strings?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello ztrader,


On  Monday, August 28, 2000  at  07:40:48 GMT -0700 (which was 7:40 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

> For a simple OR function, would we have:

> '[str A]|[str B]'

 I think you may be getting confused here.  You don't need the
 apostrophes or the square brackets.  Just type your strings in.  This
 is why I think the | method for ORing to strings can be ambiguous.

> is it OK to put spaces outside brackets as:

> ' [str A] | [str B] '

 I'm not sure about the spaces.  Again, this is another reason I find
 the | method to be ambiguous.

> (I understand the ' chr is needed - true?)

 False.

z>> This might be the best example to show how complex notation goes in
z>> TB:
z> (A or B or (C and D and (E or F)))?

> The problem I see here is getting AND and OR to work in a *single*
> expression. How does one do that? Is it possible to write the above as
> a single, one-line expression?

 As far as I know, no.  In a *single* string set, you could only do the
 C and D and (E or F).  See my example in a previous post to this
 thread.

> The suggeston for implementing this split up the parts into simple
> strings that could be entered as AND's or OR's. If one has an
> expression that needs an AND or an OR *within* the string,

 Just be careful here.  You can not have a single string that says
 something like,

 (Tom or Jane) Doe

 Instead you would need to break it up into either

  Tom|Jane AND Doe
 or
  Tom Doe|Jane Doe

> it seems critical to have exactly the right characters ['",etc to
> make it work. I am trying to understand how to include these chrs
> correctly so it works.

 See above.

> Also, I see a box marked "Regular expressions" in the "options"
> section. Does this have to be checked to get any complex expressions
> to work?

 Nope.  Regular expressions are complex, but they are much different
 than the "simple" search strings you've been looking for.


 


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Re: Spam filter strings?

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Hi Januk,

On 28 August 2000 at 12:26:37 GMT -0700 (which was 20:26 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Spam filter strings?":

>> For a simple OR function, would we have:

>> '[str A]|[str B]'

JA> I think you may be getting confused here. You don't need the
JA> apostrophes or the square brackets. Just type your strings in.
JA> This is why I think the | method for ORing to strings can be
JA> ambiguous.

..  or  you  do.  The help is also ambiguous here. Square brackets are
used  to  delimit  contiguous  strings. Apostrophes are supposed to be
used to delimited complete arguments which contain special characters.
It all adds to the ambiguity.

>> is it OK to put spaces outside brackets as:

>> ' [str A] | [str B] '

JA>  I'm not sure about the spaces.  Again, this is another reason I find
JA>  the | method to be ambiguous.

I  am  pretty  sure  about  the spaces - they'll mess it up for sure -
especially  when  used  in  conjunction  with  apostrophes  and square
brackets.

>> (I understand the ' chr is needed - true?)

JA>  False.

... or true, depending which bit of the Help file you're reading.

z>>>>>> (A or B or (C and D and (E or F)))?

>> The  problem I see here is getting AND and OR to work in a *single*
>> expression. How does one do that? Is it possible to write the above
>> as a single, one-line expression?

JA>  As far as I know, no.  In a *single* string set, you could only do the
JA>  C and D and (E or F).  See my example in a previous post to this
JA>  thread.

Absolutely.  ZTrader  -  Januk's  example  was *crystal* clear on this
point.

>> The suggeston for implementing this split up the parts into simple
>> strings that could be entered as AND's or OR's. If one has an
>> expression that needs an AND or an OR *within* the string,

JA>  Just be careful here.  You can not have a single string that says
JA>  something like,

JA>  (Tom or Jane) Doe

JA>  Instead you would need to break it up into either

JA>   Tom|Jane AND Doe
JA>  or
JA>   Tom Doe|Jane Doe

... which could end up as [Tom Doe]|[Jane Doe].

>> it seems critical to have exactly the right characters ['",etc to
>> make it work. I am trying to understand how to include these chrs
>> correctly so it works.

JA>  See above.

..  or  refer  to  the  "Help"  references on 'Using special syntax in
signal strings'.

For  the  sake  of  clarity,  here  is  some of the help text with the
salient points underlined:

Pipe   character   “|”  means  that  signal  string  contains  two
alternatives. For example, string John|Jack means that search will
  ^
be  successful  if  John  or  Jack  (or both) will be found in the
specified location.

Square  brackets  [  ]  mean  that  text  embraced by them must be
searched  as  a  phrase. i.e. search for [Jack] will be successful
for  sentence  “Jack is a good man”, but not for “ Jackson guitars
are very good for beginners”.

Text   embraced   in   quotation  marks  is  case-sensitive,  i.e.
“Internet”  will be found in the sentence “The Internet is growing
very rapidly” but not in “InTeRnEt RuLeZ”

The  text  containing  special characters mentioned above, must be
   ^^^
embraced  in  single quotes, like this: ‘["New" generation mailing
^^^
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Re: Spam filter strings?

[tracer]

Hello ztrader,
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:27:56 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, August 27, 2000, 10:27:56 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
ztrader wrote:



> Saturday, August 26, 2000, 5:14:46 PM, you wrote:

MDP>> 1) Set up a filter which specifies a match string of '[X-SBClass:
MDP>> Blocked]|[X-SBClass: Spam]|[X-SBClass: Bulk]' location "Kludges"
MDP>> presence "Yes".

> Thanks for the tip. I set it up as you suggested. Here's a copy of the
> string right out of the 'strings' box:

> '[X-SBClass: Blocked]|[X-SBClass: Spam]|[X-SBClass: Bulk]'

> I had the unfortunate opportunity to test it on a message, containing
> the following headers (not a complete list of headers):

> X-SBRule: Pattern Match (Money) (Score: 3800)
> X-SBRule: Pattern Match (Work From Home) (Score: 800)
> X-SBRule: Pattern Match (Other Patterns) (Score: 1525)
> X-SBRule: Pattern Match (Spam Phone #) (Score: 1200)
> X-SBClass: Blocked
> ^^

> The message was not sent to the spam folder, as I had hoped, even
> though it should have a match. Might I need additional parenthesis, or
> is there another reason this is not working? Is the : a special
> character, perhaps?

When this problem is sorted out, any chance to get something like that
in the docs, Faq or as standard installed...

> Thanks for your help,

>  ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Ready made Spam filter

[Jon Lawrance]

Does anyone have a ready made spam filter they could share? Are they
importable?

For a start, I would like to filter out all that foreign character
rubbish that I cannot read...and there are a million other messages I
want to avoid.

I have already set up an address book called Spam and then a filter to
avoid those addresses in future. But I think I need another to get rid
of the obvious junk.

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Anti spam filter setup

[Shahar]

Hello list members
I need a good advice and some help configure an anti spam filter.

How do I do it ?
Any Howto that I can read ?

I'll appreciate any help.

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Re[2]: K9 spam filter

[P.Johnson]

Hello Mark,

On Monday, November 29, 2004, 9:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PJ>> The filter is as follows:

PJ>>  TB! Message Filter 
PJ>> beginFilter
PJ>> UID: [97E80840.01C492FE.7689AE34.682BBB08]
PJ>> Name: K9\20Anti-Spam
PJ>> Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Text-Classification`0`\20spam\0D\0A}
PJ>> MoveMessage folder \5C\5Cpatnet\5C$JUNK$
PJ>> IsActive
PJ>> endFilter

PJ>> Email marked as spam stays resolutely in the inbox. Any ideas?

MP> This one works for me:

MP>  TB! Message Filter 
MP> beginFilter
MP> UID: [4A31FDE0.01C49062.236C3EE8.40D55E8C]
MP> Name: K9\20Spam
MP> Filter: {0\0D\0A0`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20spam\0D\0A}
MP> MoveMessage folder \5C\5CMark\5CInbox\5CSpam\20Trap\20K9
MP> DeleteFromServer
MP> IsActive
MP> IsSendQueue
MP> endFilter

I tried this one and it didn't work either. One account uses
Header contains "X-Text-Classification: spam"
as a condition; another account uses
Header field "X-Text-Classification" match "spam"
(minus quotation marks)

...and neither works consistently. That is, some of the messages K9
marks as spam are redirected, others are not. I've checked the headers
and they are correctly classified, but not always moved.

Could the destination folder have anything to do with it? The filter
is supposed to move them to the "Junk" folder that already exists.

Thank you!
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Re[2]: K9 spam filter

[P.Johnson]

Hi Alexander,

On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 10:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I've set up K9 anti-spam and the TB filters to move spam to a junk
>> folder, but for some reason the filter isn't working. K9 allows you
>> to use the message header X-Text-Classification to identify spam for
>> the purpose of filtering it.

ASK> Just to be on the safe side - you do have defined the header field
ASK> "X-Text-Classification" in Preferences | Messages | Message Headers?

Yes, I did make that modification-- sorry, I should have mentioned
it.

K9 learns and works very quickly so this is frustrating; don't know
whether it's a K9 problem or a TB problem, but suspect the latter.

Thanks and...
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Re[2]: K9 spam filter

[P.Johnson]

Hi Alexander,

On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 11:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> K9 learns and works very quickly

ASK> Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a
ASK> day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh*

I've received a couple lately and you are right, they snuck past K9.
However, if I simply send my bank account info I could be a
millionaire and hire someone to filter my email! :-)

ASK> Is it a common filter? Maybe you've just forgotten to share it with your
ASK> accounts.

I've set up two separate filters for the two accounts, using two
slightly different conditions. And, neither works consistently. It
seems strange that some mail classified as spam would be moved to the
correct folder, and others also marked would not be moved by the
filter.

Thanks for your help!

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Re[2]: K9 spam filter

[Code 2]

>> K9 learns and works very quickly

ASK> Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a
ASK> day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh*

They're troublesome for my filter, too.  I figure it's because except
for spam words like Nigeria, Togo and Central African Republic, the
text is generally found in the "good" word database.  The blacklist
feature now helps me filter these more effectively.

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Re[2]: K9 spam filter

[P.Johnson]

Hi Alexander,
On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 4:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I've set up two separate filters for the two accounts, using two slightly
>> different conditions. And, neither works consistently. It seems strange
>> that some mail classified as spam would be moved to the correct folder,
>> and others also marked would not be moved by the filter.

ASK> I've configured K9 to *not* add the spam percentage count to the header so
ASK> that it'll simply contain "spam".
ASK> IIRC the default setting is to include that counter so the header is
ASK> "spam[89]" or something. Maybe thats the problem.

OK, I've changed that setting and here's hoping it will help!

Thanks again.
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Re[2]: K9 spam filter

[P.Johnson]

Hello Thorvald,

On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 4:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TN> My filter looks like this:

TN>  TB! Message Filter 
TN> beginFilter
TN> UID: [564C1620.01C4B05E.1A441C3F.7FE14B3D]
TN> Name: SPAM
TN> Filter: {\0D\0A\20`5`0`X-Text-Classification:\20junk\0D\0A}
TN> MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
TN> MarkRead
TN> SetColour 226723330
TN> IsActive
TN> Ignore
TN> IsSendQueue
TN> endFilter

TN> and it works perfectly. It is the last filter in a list of *account*
TN> filters.

Thank you; I will give this one a try too.

TN> BTW, is there a way to let TB display the filters in a more readable
TN> and accessible format?

I can't really decipher the above format, until I copy and paste into a
new filter.

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Re[2]: K9 spam filter

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Alexander,

Tuesday, November 30, 2004, 9:58:20 PM, you wrote:

ASK> Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a
ASK> day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh*

They usually get past k9 and BayesIt here also, but frankly I don't
mind. Some of them are quite funny, and once in awhile I'll "bite" on
one of them and encourage them to fax me info, call, etc. Since
they're usually in Africa, the faxes cost them a bit of money, and I
currently live in Uzbekistan, so the random number I give them here is
going to frustrate them, since I doubt few of the scammers know
Russian or Uzbek. If I can get them to waste time and money on me,
maybe some other poor soul won't get taken in that week.

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Re[3]: K9 spam filter

[Code 2]

ASK>> Except for the nigeria connection scam mails of which I get at least two a
ASK>> day on three accounts ATM. K9 repeatedly misses those. *sigh*

RHS> They usually get past k9 and BayesIt here also, but frankly I don't
RHS> mind. Some of them are quite funny, and once in awhile I'll "bite" on
RHS> one of them and encourage them to fax me info, call, etc. Since
RHS> they're usually in Africa, the faxes cost them a bit of money, and I
RHS> currently live in Uzbekistan, so the random number I give them here is
RHS> going to frustrate them, since I doubt few of the scammers know
RHS> Russian or Uzbek. If I can get them to waste time and money on me,
RHS> maybe some other poor soul won't get taken in that week.


I love it!  Go get 'em Rick!

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Wireless, Bat & K9 spam filter

[John Phillips]

Hi Bat! Fans,

Unable to get mail using wireless hot spots with Bat & K9, although I can
send mail.

No problems with dial up or broadband.

My settings are:-

POP Server 127.0.0.1

log in mail.bigpond.com/110/jp88

password x

Am I missing some reason why I cannot download with wireless?

I also upload to 127.0.0.1, in this case it is my own SMTP server, which
appears to work fine.

T.I.A.


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Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter

[Granville Cousins]

Hello TBUDL,

I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it
possible to configure The Bat! to "Filter my email by adding:
X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line. I have ticked this option
in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work
with The Bat!.

Thanks

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Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter

[Marten Gallagher]

> Hello TBUDL,

> I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it
> possible to configure The Bat! to "Filter my email by adding:
> X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line.

Yes

> I have ticked this option
> in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work
> with The Bat!.

I have simply set up a common filter that applies to all accounts/folders
that looks for (in my case) spam in the x-text lasifiction header and
instructs that filter, if f triggered, to send the offending ,ail to the
junk folder.





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Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Granville,

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:09:03 +0100GMT (26-9-2006, 12:09 , where I
live), you wrote:

GC> Can't quite figure out how to do that in The Bat!. Could you give me a
GC> littel more step by step help please?

The first step to follow Peter's instructions would be to upgrade to
v3, what Peter suggested can't be done with your 1.62r
To avoid this kind of confusion it's recommended to insert your TB
version and system specifics in your signature.

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Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Granville,

on Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:44:50 +0100GMT (26.09.2006, 10:44 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

GC> I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it
GC> possible to configure The Bat! to "Filter my email by adding:
GC> X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line. I have ticked this option
GC> in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work
GC> with The Bat!.

Next step would be a filter in The Bat! with the condition "Header"
match "X-Text-Classification: spam" and the action you want for it.

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Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter

[Marten Gallagher]

> Can't quite figure out how to do that in The Bat!. Could you give me a
> littel more step by step help please?

Click > Account > Sorting Office/Filters

Account Drop Down Box: click on Common Filters

Click on the funnel top left

Right hand side: Name > change 'new filter' to 'K9 Junk' or something

COndition window:

Click on Sender, go down  and click on Header Field

In new little drop doewn box either select X-Text-Classification or type it
in exactly as that (assuming K9 is adding that header field).

cotains = whatever K9 is labelling your Junk

Bottom half of window:

Actions

Add mark as read
Move to folder (and tell it which folder)

Click OK

Test it


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Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Roelof Otten & everyone else,

on 26-Sep-2006 at 17:21 you (Roelof Otten) wrote:

> The first step to follow Peter's instructions would be to upgrade to
> v3, what Peter suggested can't be done with your 1.62r

But only the part with the common filters.

He doesn't need to upgrade to v3 to filter for headers/header contents,
or does he?

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Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter

[Granville Cousins]

On 26 Sep 2006, at 11:09, Marten Gallagher wrote:


Hello TBUDL,



I am using K9 Spam filter on my machine running Windows 2000. Is it
possible to configure The Bat! to "Filter my email by adding:
X-Text-Classification: - to the Header line.


Yes


I have ticked this option
in Configuration/K9 but then am lost as to how to get this to work
with The Bat!.


I have simply set up a common filter that applies to all 
accounts/folders

that looks for (in my case) spam in the x-text lasifiction header and
instructs that filter, if f triggered, to send the offending ,ail to 
the

junk folder.




Where can I find this configuration in The Bat! filters section? I have 
looked in there and cannot see any place where I can request The Bat! 
to filter my email using the header classification. I am running The 
Bat! version 1.6r.



Love & Light,

Granville

Running The Bat! version 1.6r on Windows 2000

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Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Granville Cousins & everyone else,

on 28-Sep-2006 at 15:41 you (Granville Cousins) wrote:

> Where can I find this configuration in The Bat! filters section? I have
> looked in there and cannot see any place where I can request The Bat! 
> to filter my email using the header classification. I am running The 
> Bat! version 1.6r.

Marten is using version 3 of TheBat, you're still using v1. Things are
very different in the sorting office in the meantime.

If I remember correctly, you have to create a filter with a regular
expression test in v1. I hope someone can help you, I sure know it *IS*
possible to filter for headers in v1, I did that myself, but v1 really
was years ago...

Maybe you should update, anyway. The update is not very expensive and
you get many new and nice functions. Virtual folders, plugins, common
filters, the all new and much more comprehensible sorting office...

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Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Granville,

on Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:41:55 +0100GMT (30.09.2006, 11:41 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

GC> Thursday, September 28, 2006, 8:02:14 PM, you wrote:

GC> Can you tell me where I can view the "X-Text-Classification: spam"
GC> marker in emails that have been designated as Spam by The Bat!?
GC> This is just to see that it is working correctly.

Select the message and press ++K. This will show you all
headers.

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Re: Configuring K9 Spam Filter

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Granville,

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:41:55 +0100GMT (30-9-2006, 11:41 , where I
live), you wrote:

GC> Can you tell me where I can view the "X-Text-Classification: spam"
GC> marker in emails that have been designated as Spam by The Bat!?
GC> This is just to see that it is working correctly.

Press Ctrl-Shift-K, that will show you all headers, you can look for
your custom header between them, probably it's the last header before
the message starts.
Press Ctrl-Shift-K again to make the headers invisible again.

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Re: Problem with Spam Filter

[Grumpy Gamer]

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:00:08 +1000, Grumpy Gamer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>Today I received an email from "Neco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". The
>

Oops, list has munged the email. Let's try expanding it out a little:

"Neco less than sign newsletter at @ neco dot com dot au greater than
sign"
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Re: Problem with Spam Filter

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Chris,

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:00:08 +1000GMT (9-6-2008, 19:00 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

C> Today I received an email from "Neco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". The
C> filter was triggered (the account log says that the email was
C> processed by "Spam (Known)".

That's good, isn't it? ;-)

C> Problem is, the message was then delivered to my inbox (and it says
C> that in the same line in the account log also). Can anyone tell me
C> why the Action did not occur (delete from server)?

Are you sure it still is present on your server?
I think you misunderstood the meaning of the action.
In order to decide whether the message matches the condition the
message has to be downloaded. And all messages that are downloaded
travel through the Inbox.
As the only action that gets executed is deletion from the server, the
downloaded copy stays put in the Inbox. Deletion from server is an
action that's meant to be used when you keep your messages for x days
on the server.

C> --

Your signature delimiter isn't working properly.

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Re: Problem with Spam Filter

[Grumpy Gamer]

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:15:36 +0200, Roelof Otten
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hallo Chris,
>
>On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:00:08 +1000GMT (9-6-2008, 19:00 +0200, where I
>live), you wrote:
>
>C> Today I received an email from "Neco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". The
>C> filter was triggered (the account log says that the email was
>C> processed by "Spam (Known)".
>
>That's good, isn't it? ;-)
>

Yes - it would seem that the filter is catching the message, which is
great.

>C> Problem is, the message was then delivered to my inbox (and it says
>C> that in the same line in the account log also). Can anyone tell me
>C> why the Action did not occur (delete from server)?
>
>Are you sure it still is present on your server?
>I think you misunderstood the meaning of the action.
>In order to decide whether the message matches the condition the
>message has to be downloaded. And all messages that are downloaded
>travel through the Inbox.
>As the only action that gets executed is deletion from the server, the
>downloaded copy stays put in the Inbox. Deletion from server is an
>action that's meant to be used when you keep your messages for x days
>on the server.
>

The message has gone from the server - I have The Bat set to remove
all messages on download anyway. I have misunderstood that option in
the first place - I thought that it looked at the from address while
the message was still on the server, and then would delete it without
needing to download it. What actions do I need so that I never see the
message in the first place?

>C> --
>
>Your signature delimiter isn't working properly.

Ah nuts :( I'm not sure what the problem with it is - I set it to be
the two dashes and then a blank line under that with my name a further
line down. Ok, I've tried a change - does this one work any better?
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Re: Problem with Spam Filter

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Chris,

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:05:17 +1000GMT (10-6-2008, 10:05 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

C> I have misunderstood that option in the first place - I thought
C> that it looked at the from address while the message was still on
C> the server, and then would delete it without needing to download
C> it.

Well, you do that with selective download filters, those download the
message headers and can kill the message from server before the full
message will be downloaded.
However, I've never used them myself as they lengthen the download
time substantially, because the message headers will be downloaded
twice, once to compare them with the selective download filters and
a second time when the complete message is downloaded. With my message
mix (lots of short messages) that isn't worth the trouble.
Furthermore I don't kill on arrival and that's the only useful action
for selective download filters.

C> What actions do I need so that I never see the message in the first
C> place?

'Delete the message', that's the action listed right above 'Delete
from server'
My server does my spam marking, it adds a spam header and I've set TB
to move those messages to a spam folder and mark them as read (you
know that you can set multiple actions to a single filter, don't you)
so I won't see it unless I'm browsing my spam folder to check for
false spam marks. So that could be an option for you too.

C> Ah nuts :( I'm not sure what the problem with it is - I set it to be
C> the two dashes and then a blank line under that with my name a further
C> line down.

The blank lie isn't necessary, but it's supposed to consist of dash
dash space on a single line, but as you aren't using TB on the list I
can't comment on how to achieve that.

C> Ok, I've tried a change - does this one work any better?

Yes.

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Re: Problem with Spam Filter

[Grumpy Gamer]

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:25:06 +0200, Roelof Otten
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Well, you do that with selective download filters, those download the
>message headers and can kill the message from server before the full
>message will be downloaded.
>However, I've never used them myself as they lengthen the download
>time substantially, because the message headers will be downloaded
>twice, once to compare them with the selective download filters and
>a second time when the complete message is downloaded. With my message
>mix (lots of short messages) that isn't worth the trouble.
>Furthermore I don't kill on arrival and that's the only useful action
>for selective download filters.

Fair enough. If someone had a dial up Internet connection and had lots
of big spam messages come through, it sounds like this approach might
be tailor made for them.

>'Delete the message', that's the action listed right above 'Delete
>from server'
>My server does my spam marking, it adds a spam header and I've set TB
>to move those messages to a spam folder and mark them as read (you
>know that you can set multiple actions to a single filter, don't you)
>so I won't see it unless I'm browsing my spam folder to check for
>false spam marks. So that could be an option for you too.

Thanks - most of my spam is unknown, but this particular address is
nothing but, so I can safely set it to 'delete the message'. I can use
the other approach for the spam (unknown) filter though.

>The blank lie isn't necessary, but it's supposed to consist of dash
>dash space on a single line, but as you aren't using TB on the list I
>can't comment on how to achieve that.

Thanks - I'm using Agent via gmane. I've updated the signature block
in the Agent options.

>Yes.

Cool - I think different programs must adhere to a different standard.
I've seen newsreader programs which work fine with the '--' (without
space), but The Bat needs the space by the looks of it. Oh well, no
problem.
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Re[2]: Disabling spam filter

[Lynn]

1/27/2009

RO> You're  talking  about  the  Download  URL  manager, that isn't a spam
RO> filter, but gives you the possibility to configure from what sites you
RO> want to see the pictures and from what sites not.
RO> Don't  select the individual messages, but their root when choosing to
RO> allow or block.

Many have several roots, as many as 5 on the worst. And it is evident
that they change the content from mailing to mailing, so that one
determination is not enough. EBay notices frequently have several; since
various items/vendors are involved, how could they be the same? Should I
have to allow every vendor notification they send out??? I've been
fighting the thing ever since I installed that version. I can't believe
I'm the only user with this issue!

RO> AFAIK You can't disable the feature.

No offense, but I really, really, hope you are wrong. But .. thanks
anyway.

Lynn


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Re[2]: Disabling spam filter

[Lynn]

1/27/2009

DC> you can always just allow everything

I am thinking that will have to be it, and I'm sure I won't have to wait
long before I see it again. I haven't even been able to find a
way to bring the wretched thing up independently! I didn't think I was
any stupider than usual, but I've really had it up to here with the
thing.

Thanks, though -

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Re[2]: Disabling spam filter

[Lynn]

1/27/2009

SC> If you are referring to the URL manager then you can disable it entirely or 
call
SC> it up as needed.

I was, yes.

SC> To  open  it  click  on  the  earth  icon  on the header bar and select 
Show URL
SC> Manager.  There  you can de-select the show this window automatically check 
box.
SC> This will cause TB to ignore HTML pictures and act like TB used to.

I discovered this accidentally a few minutes after I answered the last
mail. At least I found the checkbox; I'm not seeing an earth icon.
Perhaps I have an alternate skin or toolbox option?

SC> You can also open this same window when you receive an email you want to 
see the
SC> pictures  in  and allow them for that email. This usually lets all pictures 
from
SC> that emailer through from that point on.

If I can find it again now that I've got it turned off, I'll explore it
further, but maybe I'll just leave it turned off :-)

SC> I hope this is what you meant, if not please ignore me altogether. ;>)

No, no, thanks very much! I was feeling really stupid, which of course
adds to the aggravation! I'm much more mellow now that the thing is
turned off! lol!

And as a nice little bonus, while I was scanning those hundreds of
messages trying to find a reference to the thing, I discovered I could
pipe my gmail messages to TB. I went and did it - easiest config I've
ever done, barring TB's basic configs - and that's working too.

This is unquestionably the best support group on the net! Thanks to all
who've replied!

Lynn

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Re[3]: Disabling spam filter

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Lynn,
Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 6:05:21 PM, you wrote:

L> I discovered this accidentally a few minutes after I answered the last
L> mail. At least I found the checkbox; I'm not seeing an earth icon.
L> Perhaps I have an alternate skin or toolbox option?

It only appears when you are viewing an HTML mail that has external links.

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Best spam filter for TB!

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDL'ers,

My wife is getting annoyed at the amount of spam (advertisements) she is getting
and wants me to do something about it. Years ago I was using K9 which seemed to
work just fine but then I discovered it also seemed to be preventing large
emails from getting through, so I un-installed it. As it turns out it was a
combination of K9 and TB's file size restrictions which were unknown to me at
the time.

K9 is still out there but either Win 10 or Firefox now thinks it is malware and
warns me when I go to download it. I believe Win 10 and Firefox are being just a
little too cautious about it since K9 hasn't been upgraded in years and never
acted like malware in the past.

Anyway, the long and short of this message is a request to learn what this group
thinks is a good spam filter for TB! today. We are both running v6.xx and
Windows 10.

Much thanks for any advice.

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:usflag: :alabamaflag: Central Alabama

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pre-made spam filter download?

[Cathy]

Is there a pre-made spam filter which i download and install into
thebat? Anyway i hope that something like in mozilla 1.3 mailreader
will come in futher releases of thebat. A junk tagging system that in
time learns to spot new junkmail would be a great improvement.

Kate



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pre-made spam filter download?

[Cathy]

Does the vampire plugin use some kind of autolearning or is it a
rulebased filter system? If it's rulebased where can i get predefined
sets of rules?

Kate



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Re: A Useful spam filter

[Roman Katzer]

Hi Mark,

On Thursday, June 12, 2003, 23:17:05, Mark wrote:
> Here is a regex spam filter folks might find useful
[...]

That is a good way to start, but there are more powerful spam filters.
SAProxy is a Windows incarnation of SpamAssassin, a very widely used and
thoroughly perfected spam filter which looks for all kinds of clues in a
mail. It gives positive points for spam indicators and negative ones for
ham indicators. It's available for free at http://saproxy.bloomba.com/
Another very powerful, yet free spam filter (catches about 96% of my spam
on four accounts) is POPFile (http://popfile.sourceforge.net/). Takes some
training but seems pretty stable and dependable.

Regards, Roman

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Re: A Useful spam filter

[Mike Apsey]

> I want to understand EXACTLY how my mail is triaged and why,
> particularly on my critical accounts.

Unfortunately, it is my sad yet considered opinion the choice to do
your own filtering is evaporating. My friend told me boastfully about
how his Iowa (USA) ISP was "Filtering" his mail with a bayesian
filter. I pointed him to a free bayesian filter he could operate
locally, knowing exactly what was getting bounced.

The face of e-mail is changing and the usefulness of the once-innocent
Internet is fast deteriorating into a sleazebag carney sideshow,
populated by hawkers, stalkers, con-men and idiots.

A grumpy old man's jaded opinion? Or is it the opinion of someone
unafraid to speak his mind?

You decide.

Better still, do your own filtering while you still can.

Zero replies and zero comments on my earlier list post, which although
posted in good spirit with a 3-hour compose time, was evidently a
waste of time in the minds of the target audience, eh?

What else is new.




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Re: A Useful spam filter

[ravi]

> Zero replies and zero comments on my earlier list post,
> which although posted in good spirit with a 3-hour compose
> time, was evidently a waste of time in the minds of the
> target audience, eh?

Not so fast Mike. Just because there wasn't a long thread
full of replies and opinions doesn't mean that people didn't
find it a useful read.

I've not done anything in the way of spam filtering (lucky
so far I guess) - so didn't have much to add.

I kept your message handy for ideas when the time comes -
and I'm sure it'll come.

> What else is new.

It's easy to get jaded when you do something for the common
good with little or no return. Trust me, I know.

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Re: A Useful spam filter

[Leo Landa]

Good day to everyone,

You are going to laugh, but I signed up to this list just a day or two
ago in order to find out a few things about TB in order to perfect the
anti-spam mechnism that I just developed. Not really developed, just
added a few final touches to known techniques. The resulting thing is
extremely useful - in two days of testing I got about 200 spam
messages and only 2 wound up in my mailbox, but that's a separate
story.

The questions I have are the following:

1. I didn't find any way to configure TB to add custom headers to
outgoing messages. Looking through the archive I found out that it is
certainly not possible now, but will be possible in the future. Does
anyone know roughly when it will become available?

2. Somewhere in the archives I found message recommending XRay as
header modification filter. I downloaded it and started using it, and
it appears to behave. However, it's documentation doesn't match the
program, and the interface is very counter-intuitive. I wonder if
there is some expert on this list that could help me with two things:
   * get TB to add _SEVERAL_ header lines with the same name, for
   example:
 Organization: one thing
 Organization: another thing
 Organization: yet another thing

   * get XRay to replace the header names to different things. Say,
   the first instance of "Organization" to become "Auto-Submitted",
   the second - "X-Failed-Recipient", etc.

3. When I finish working on the "mechanism", I will also finish
writing a small page describing the filters used - i.e. how to combine
SpamPal, TheBat!, XRay and a few hopefully clever tricks to be very
effective and yet have no false positives. Is anyone interested in
this when it's done? The page is right now in Russian, but I can also
translate it into English, if anyone cares.

Thanks a lot!

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Re: A Useful spam filter

[Bill McCarthy]

On Thu 12-Jun-03 7:02pm -0400, Csaba Kiss wrote:



Csaba, you seem to be having a few macro problems.  (1) The `Re:` in
your subject line is not separated from the real subject.  (2) You
appear to be deleting the "In-Reply-To" line in the Kludges - this
destroys threading (you also have no "References" line.

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Re: A Useful spam filter

[Mike Apsey]

> It's easy to get jaded when you do something for the common
> good with little or no return. Trust me, I know.

This is a busy list. Thanks for your comments. Jaded is indeed a good
word for what I was feeling at the time my reply was written. I would
add only that to work as designed, and after a breaking-in period, my
all-or-nothing filters should be, in fact, engaged with finality.

There is one caveat, which is the mail dispatched from an address
added to the "permit" line, but replied-to from another address within
the organization.

It's an imperfect world; imperfect filters; an imperfect author. And
yet I am well fed-up with people taking me for the sitting e-mail
duck.

Spam here has been running at about 50/day. Disgusting.

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Re: A Useful spam filter

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Mike,

@12-Jun-2003, 19:05 -0400 (00:05 UK time) Mike Apsey [MA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said

>> I want to understand EXACTLY how my mail is triaged and why,
>> particularly on my critical accounts.

MA> Unfortunately, it is my sad yet considered opinion the choice to
MA> do your own filtering is evaporating.

... 

You are correct to an extent, but there are options...

MA> The face of e-mail is changing and the usefulness of the
MA> once-innocent Internet is fast deteriorating into a sleazebag
MA> carney sideshow, populated by hawkers, stalkers, con-men and
MA> idiots.

A good description of the realities of the free-market commerce
model and, despite the sleaze aspect, I wouldn't want it any less
free. It's a "rough with the smooth" scenario.

MA> A grumpy old man's jaded opinion? Or is it the opinion of
MA> someone unafraid to speak his mind?

;-) shades of both!

MA> Zero replies and zero comments on my earlier list post, which
MA> although posted in good spirit with a 3-hour compose time, was
MA> evidently a waste of time in the minds of the target audience,
MA> eh?

Not in the least. It was a great post! I said nothing because it
was pretty much a very clear description of the "Sherlock" method I
have used to filter spam here for a long time. Okay, I have no
auto-responders for spam because I get a lot of support email out of
the blue and have to fish a "help me" message from the spam-bucket
every other day. Other than that, it makes much more sense than any
fancy Bayesian or RBL system and is at least as (if not more)
effective.

##Go Mike!!## ;-).

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