Re: Mail font colour

[Alex]

Thanks Ronni

I think I will give it a miss. Have been able to set it up in Outlook  
on a Win (  :(  ) machine at one of my work places & thought I would  
try it on my Macs.

No loss tho'.

Cheers,  Alex

On 20/10/2012, at 7:10 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> You can't by default have outgoing email text in Colour but you can  
> set different Colours for quoted text in replies. See Mail  
> Preferences, Fonts & Colours, Level One, Two, Three and so on.
>
> As Peter has already mentioned...
> The problem with sending email text in Colour is that, not all  
> recipients can receive RichText emails. [WAMUG doesn't accept  
> RichText emails]
>
> If you want to send an email with formatted text & colour that the  
> recipient can see, you could send it as an attachment.
>
> If you want to send pretty emails then select the Stationery Pane  
> Button in the Mail Tool Bar [Top Right].
>
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>
> On 19/10/2012, at 11:33 PM, Alex  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Peter.  My Preferences already had Rich Text selected, tho' I
>> don't recall doing it myself.  I had manually changed the text colour
>> to blue, so it is interesting that it didn't appear that way to you.
>> Selecting the colour as you suggested doesn't work either.
>>
>> Anyway, not to worry, it's not a big deal.  I was just interested if
>> it was possible.
>>
>> Many thanks for your input, though.
>>
>> Cheers,  Alex
>>
>> On 19/10/2012, at 8:59 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 19/10/2012, at 1:30 AM, Alex  wrote:
>>>
 Hello WAMUG friends!

 Can someone tell me how I can make the message text in Mail be any
 colour I wish by default, eg like this message.  I have played  
 around
 in preferences, but it doesn't seem to stick or even do anything.

 Using Mail ver 3.6, Mac OS 10.5.8

 Cheers,  Alex
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>>>
>>> I don't know what colour you intended your text to be, but it all
>>> came through as black. In order for text in your message to be
>>> coloured, you must be composing in Rich Text Format. To set this as
>>> the default format, go to Mail > Preferences > Composing and change
>>> Message Format to Rich Text.
>>>
>>> As far as setting the default colour of your message text is
>>> concerned, I have never had reason to do this, but it should be
>>> possible through Mail > Preferences > Fonts & Colors. Click the
>>> "Select..." button next to Message font. The Font Picker window will
>>> appear, and you can change the colour of the text from the third of
>>> the four buttons at the top of the window.
>>>
>>> Again, please always remember that the appearance of your message
>>> depends on the abilities of your recipient's email software, not
>>> yours. You can format your message in whatever way you like, but if
>>> your client cannot interpret the formatting correctly it will make
>>> no difference. They will just receive unformatted text. It is
>>> generally safer and more reliable simply to compose in plain text,
>>> which guarantees that all recipients will get your message.
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>>> 
>>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: Mail font colour

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Alex,

You can't by default have outgoing email text in Colour but you can set 
different Colours for quoted text in replies. See Mail Preferences, Fonts & 
Colours, Level One, Two, Three and so on.
 
As Peter has already mentioned...
The problem with sending email text in Colour is that, not all recipients can 
receive RichText emails. [WAMUG doesn't accept RichText emails]

If you want to send an email with formatted text & colour that the recipient 
can see, you could send it as an attachment.

If you want to send pretty emails then select the Stationery Pane Button in the 
Mail Tool Bar [Top Right].
 
Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 19/10/2012, at 11:33 PM, Alex  wrote:

> Thanks Peter.  My Preferences already had Rich Text selected, tho' I  
> don't recall doing it myself.  I had manually changed the text colour  
> to blue, so it is interesting that it didn't appear that way to you.   
> Selecting the colour as you suggested doesn't work either.
> 
> Anyway, not to worry, it's not a big deal.  I was just interested if  
> it was possible.
> 
> Many thanks for your input, though.
> 
> Cheers,  Alex
> 
> On 19/10/2012, at 8:59 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 19/10/2012, at 1:30 AM, Alex  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello WAMUG friends!
>>> 
>>> Can someone tell me how I can make the message text in Mail be any
>>> colour I wish by default, eg like this message.  I have played around
>>> in preferences, but it doesn't seem to stick or even do anything.
>>> 
>>> Using Mail ver 3.6, Mac OS 10.5.8
>>> 
>>> Cheers,  Alex
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>> 
>> I don't know what colour you intended your text to be, but it all  
>> came through as black. In order for text in your message to be  
>> coloured, you must be composing in Rich Text Format. To set this as  
>> the default format, go to Mail > Preferences > Composing and change  
>> Message Format to Rich Text.
>> 
>> As far as setting the default colour of your message text is  
>> concerned, I have never had reason to do this, but it should be  
>> possible through Mail > Preferences > Fonts & Colors. Click the  
>> "Select..." button next to Message font. The Font Picker window will  
>> appear, and you can change the colour of the text from the third of  
>> the four buttons at the top of the window.
>> 
>> Again, please always remember that the appearance of your message  
>> depends on the abilities of your recipient's email software, not  
>> yours. You can format your message in whatever way you like, but if  
>> your client cannot interpret the formatting correctly it will make  
>> no difference. They will just receive unformatted text. It is  
>> generally safer and more reliable simply to compose in plain text,  
>> which guarantees that all recipients will get your message.
>> 
>> 
>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>> 
>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: Mail font colour

[Alex]

Thanks Peter.  My Preferences already had Rich Text selected, tho' I  
don't recall doing it myself.  I had manually changed the text colour  
to blue, so it is interesting that it didn't appear that way to you.   
Selecting the colour as you suggested doesn't work either.

Anyway, not to worry, it's not a big deal.  I was just interested if  
it was possible.

Many thanks for your input, though.

Cheers,  Alex

On 19/10/2012, at 8:59 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:

>
> On 19/10/2012, at 1:30 AM, Alex  wrote:
>
>> Hello WAMUG friends!
>>
>> Can someone tell me how I can make the message text in Mail be any
>> colour I wish by default, eg like this message.  I have played around
>> in preferences, but it doesn't seem to stick or even do anything.
>>
>> Using Mail ver 3.6, Mac OS 10.5.8
>>
>> Cheers,  Alex
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>
> I don't know what colour you intended your text to be, but it all  
> came through as black. In order for text in your message to be  
> coloured, you must be composing in Rich Text Format. To set this as  
> the default format, go to Mail > Preferences > Composing and change  
> Message Format to Rich Text.
>
> As far as setting the default colour of your message text is  
> concerned, I have never had reason to do this, but it should be  
> possible through Mail > Preferences > Fonts & Colors. Click the  
> "Select..." button next to Message font. The Font Picker window will  
> appear, and you can change the colour of the text from the third of  
> the four buttons at the top of the window.
>
> Again, please always remember that the appearance of your message  
> depends on the abilities of your recipient's email software, not  
> yours. You can format your message in whatever way you like, but if  
> your client cannot interpret the formatting correctly it will make  
> no difference. They will just receive unformatted text. It is  
> generally safer and more reliable simply to compose in plain text,  
> which guarantees that all recipients will get your message.
>
>
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: Mail font colour

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 19/10/2012, at 1:30 AM, Alex  wrote:

> Hello WAMUG friends!
> 
> Can someone tell me how I can make the message text in Mail be any  
> colour I wish by default, eg like this message.  I have played around  
> in preferences, but it doesn't seem to stick or even do anything.
> 
> Using Mail ver 3.6, Mac OS 10.5.8
> 
> Cheers,  Alex
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I don't know what colour you intended your text to be, but it all came through 
as black. In order for text in your message to be coloured, you must be 
composing in Rich Text Format. To set this as the default format, go to Mail > 
Preferences > Composing and change Message Format to Rich Text. 

As far as setting the default colour of your message text is concerned, I have 
never had reason to do this, but it should be possible through Mail > 
Preferences > Fonts & Colors. Click the "Select..." button next to Message 
font. The Font Picker window will appear, and you can change the colour of the 
text from the third of the four buttons at the top of the window.

Again, please always remember that the appearance of your message depends on 
the abilities of your recipient's email software, not yours. You can format 
your message in whatever way you like, but if your client cannot interpret the 
formatting correctly it will make no difference. They will just receive 
unformatted text. It is generally safer and more reliable simply to compose in 
plain text, which guarantees that all recipients will get your message.


Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: Mail Time Out By 1 Hour

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Pete

As you've noted, yes, it's normally done at the ISP receiver end.
As long as you have all correct in your system, which from what you've said 
with your computer time, then that should all be correct.
I would think their (Internode) mail server may have adjusted your mail times 
in receiving. (Seen the same happen for a clients server as well, The ISP mail 
server kept losing time, so the mail was showing as different times almost 
every hour!) ;o)
Hopefully they'll note it and fix it for you :)

Another way to test it is to send yourself an email. In the subject line put 
something like Test email sent 1520. (or the approx time you send it). Then see 
what time it comes back in with. :o)
That can help as well :o)

Kind regards
Daniel
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**For everything Apple**

On 07/10/2012, at 3:04 PM, Pete Smith  wrote:

> Here's an interesting thing.
> 
> Anyone else getting this?
> 
> I was just looking at Daniel's post when I became aware that in my mail box, 
> it says that his email was received at 15.30. Yet my iMac clock reads 14.56 
> as I type. Also Daniel's email says it was sent at 2.30.16 PM AWST. I'm using 
> Apple Mail and this has only started today.
> 
> I've checked another email I received earlier and the same applies. I know 
> Apple stuff is good, but this is pushing it a bit!!:)
> 
> I assume it is something with the provider rather than Mail. I've sent them a 
> query so we'll see what happens. I'm with Internode and very happy with them. 
> However, their feedback emails are only monitored Monday to Friday normal 
> business times.
> 
> Daylight saving has started over there today (silly sods!!), so they've 
> probably cocked up the WA time.
> 
> I'll keep you posted.
> 
> Pete Smith
> 
> iMac 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> 4GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
> 750GB Hdrive OS X 10.6.8
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Re: Mail Downloads

[Bill Parker]

Many thank Peter.I eventually found it by searching, but its obviously 
hidden.  If it ain't broke etc….

Bill
On 11/09/2012, at 8:41 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:

> 
> On 11/09/2012, at 8:27 AM, Bill Parker  wrote:
> 
>> Dear all, now I have Lion, I cannot find "Mail Downloads".  That's been a 
>> life line in the past.  But now?  Where is it?
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
> 
> 
> It's been moved to ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library. You will 
> need to hold down the Option key while you click the Go Menu in Finder's Menu 
> Bar to get access to your ~/Library folder in Lion.
> 
> Handy Hint: having found your ~/Library folder, drag its Proxy Icon (that 
> little icon next to the Window Title) to your window's sidebar. You will have 
> instant access to it in any Finder window from now on.
> 
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Re: Mail Downloads

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 11/09/2012, at 8:27 AM, Bill Parker  wrote:

> Dear all, now I have Lion, I cannot find "Mail Downloads".  That's been a 
> life line in the past.  But now?  Where is it?
> 
> Bill
> 


It's been moved to ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library. You will 
need to hold down the Option key while you click the Go Menu in Finder's Menu 
Bar to get access to your ~/Library folder in Lion.

Handy Hint: having found your ~/Library folder, drag its Proxy Icon (that 
little icon next to the Window Title) to your window's sidebar. You will have 
instant access to it in any Finder window from now on.

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: mail since mobile me move to icloud

[Ronda Brown]

Ah, sorry Gary,

I've just realised you are running Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8, not Lion OS X 
10.7. My instructions were for iCloud Mail in Lion.
I had just come in from work and 'presumed' by your subject; "mail since mobile 
me move to icloud", that you were running Lion :(

Email is the only iCloud service Apple currently supports in Snow Leopard. 
Setting up Mail.app for iCloud email is easy once you know the server settings.

>From the Mail.app preferences Accounts tab click the plus button to create a 
>new email account.
Fill in your full name, iCloud email address, and iCloud password.
Mail.app will fail to automatically detect your email settings because it 
presumes you are a MobileMe subscriber. 
Click Continue.
Switch your account type to IMAP, and enter your incoming mail server as 
“imap.mail.me.com”
The outgoing mail server should be “smtp.mail.me.com” 
Click Continue and Create to take your iCloud email account online.

So if you can now send and receive mail, you have done nothing wrong.
If you are still having problems sending or receiving please post back with all 
your accounts settings.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 31/08/2012, at 5:34 PM, gdorn  wrote:

> 
> On 31/08/2012, at 4:58 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gary,
>> 
>> I don't think you have your iCloud Mail Account setup correctly.
>> 
>> On 31/08/2012, at 4:12 PM, gdorn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello WAMUG
>>> 
>>> After the demise of mobile me, I moved over to iCloud- for email only ( 
>>> running OS 10.6.8)
>>> 
>>> I have 4 accounts ( in preferences >accounts> on this Mac Pro  they all say 
>>> MobileMe IMAP, all Port 993 use SSL and authentication "password"
>> 
>> iCloud Account should say iCloud IMAP (not MobileMe IMAP)
>> Authentication: Apple Token (Not Password)
>> Outgoing Mail Server: iCloud (iCloud)
>> TLS Certificate: None
>> Incoming Mail Server: p01 -imap.mail.me.com
>> User Name: whatever your user name is
>> Password: whatever your iCloud Account password is
> 
> hmm my settings are different to these.
> all accounts say Mobile Me IMAP
> authentication:  no option for Apple  token
> outgoing servier is smtp.me.com.gdorn (for this account)
> imcoming server is mail.me.com ( greyed out)
> 
> Have I done something wrong?
> 
>>> 
>>> It took a while but eventually got all my email accounts converted to 
>>> iCloud  - I even  transferred my WAMUG membership over from my 
>>> "garydorn@ausconnect "address to this one.
>>> 
>>> for a quite a while now, when I go send, a message comes up saying
>>> 
>>> Cannot send message using the server smtp.me.com:gdorn
>>> Sending the message content to the server failed
>>> select a different outgoing mail server form the list below or click try 
>>> Later to leave the message in the your Outbox until it can be sent
>>> Sending form gdorn < gd...@me.com)
>>> 
>>> This seems to occurs at irregular intervals in all the accounts
>>> 
>>> Is there some setting I have not selected or adjusted?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any advice appreciated
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> Gary Dorn
>>> Mac pro 2.66
>>> OS 10.6.8 
>>> 13 GB RAM
>>> 2 x 24 in + 1 x 21 in screens
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>> 
>> OS X 10.7.4 Lion
>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

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Re: mail since mobile me move to icloud

[gdorn]

On 31/08/2012, at 4:58 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Gary,
> 
> I don't think you have your iCloud Mail Account setup correctly.
> 
> On 31/08/2012, at 4:12 PM, gdorn  wrote:
> 
>> Hello WAMUG
>> 
>> After the demise of mobile me, I moved over to iCloud- for email only ( 
>> running OS 10.6.8)
>> 
>> I have 4 accounts ( in preferences >accounts> on this Mac Pro  they all say 
>> MobileMe IMAP, all Port 993 use SSL and authentication "password"
> 
> iCloud Account should say iCloud IMAP (not MobileMe IMAP)
> Authentication: Apple Token (Not Password)
> Outgoing Mail Server: iCloud (iCloud)
> TLS Certificate: None
> Incoming Mail Server: p01 -imap.mail.me.com
> User Name: whatever your user name is
> Password: whatever your iCloud Account password is

hmm my settings are different to these.
all accounts say Mobile Me IMAP
authentication:  no option for Apple  token
outgoing servier is smtp.me.com.gdorn (for this account)
imcoming server is mail.me.com ( greyed out)

Have I done something wrong?

>> 
>> It took a while but eventually got all my email accounts converted to iCloud 
>>  - I even  transferred my WAMUG membership over from my "garydorn@ausconnect 
>> "address to this one.
>> 
>> for a quite a while now, when I go send, a message comes up saying
>> 
>> Cannot send message using the server smtp.me.com:gdorn
>> Sending the message content to the server failed
>> select a different outgoing mail server form the list below or click try 
>> Later to leave the message in the your Outbox until it can be sent
>> Sending form gdorn < gd...@me.com)
>> 
>> This seems to occurs at irregular intervals in all the accounts
>> 
>> Is there some setting I have not selected or adjusted?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any advice appreciated
>> 
>> thanks
>> Gary Dorn
>> Mac pro 2.66
>> OS 10.6.8 
>> 13 GB RAM
>> 2 x 24 in + 1 x 21 in screens
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
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> 
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Re: mail since mobile me move to icloud

[gdorn]

I think I may have just fixed my issue up

1. set from to gd...@me.com  instead of gd...@mac.com and has started to send

2. used the correct wamug address!

sorry for taking up bandspace with my nonsense.


On 31/08/2012, at 4:12 PM, gdorn wrote:

> Hello WAMUG
> 
> After the demise of mobile me, I moved over to iCloud- for email only ( 
> running OS 10.6.8)
> 
> I have 4 accounts ( in preferences >accounts> on this Mac Pro  they all say 
> MobileMe IMAP, all Port 993 use SSL and authentication "password"
> 
> It took a while but eventually got all my email accounts converted to iCloud  
> - I even  transferred my WAMUG membership over from my "garydorn@ausconnect 
> "address to this one.
> 
> for a quite a while now, when I go send, a message comes up saying
> 
> Cannot send message using the server smtp.me.com:gdorn
> Sending the message content to the server failed
> select a different outgoing mail server form the list below or click try 
> Later to leave the message in the your Outbox until it can be sent
> Sending form gdorn < gd...@me.com)
> 
> This seems to occurs at irregular intervals in all the accounts
> 
> Is there some setting I have not selected or adjusted?
> 
> 
> 
> Any advice appreciated
> 
> thanks
> Gary Dorn
> Mac pro 2.66
> OS 10.6.8 
> 13 GB RAM
> 2 x 24 in + 1 x 21 in screens
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Re: mail since mobile me move to icloud

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Gary,

I don't think you have your iCloud Mail Account setup correctly.

On 31/08/2012, at 4:12 PM, gdorn  wrote:

> Hello WAMUG
> 
> After the demise of mobile me, I moved over to iCloud- for email only ( 
> running OS 10.6.8)
> 
> I have 4 accounts ( in preferences >accounts> on this Mac Pro  they all say 
> MobileMe IMAP, all Port 993 use SSL and authentication "password"

iCloud Account should say iCloud IMAP (not MobileMe IMAP)
Authentication: Apple Token (Not Password)
Outgoing Mail Server: iCloud (iCloud)
TLS Certificate: None
Incoming Mail Server: p01 -imap.mail.me.com
User Name: whatever your user name is
Password: whatever your iCloud Account password is
> 
> It took a while but eventually got all my email accounts converted to iCloud  
> - I even  transferred my WAMUG membership over from my "garydorn@ausconnect 
> "address to this one.
> 
> for a quite a while now, when I go send, a message comes up saying
> 
> Cannot send message using the server smtp.me.com:gdorn
> Sending the message content to the server failed
> select a different outgoing mail server form the list below or click try 
> Later to leave the message in the your Outbox until it can be sent
> Sending form gdorn < gd...@me.com)
> 
> This seems to occurs at irregular intervals in all the accounts
> 
> Is there some setting I have not selected or adjusted?
> 
> 
> 
> Any advice appreciated
> 
> thanks
> Gary Dorn
> Mac pro 2.66
> OS 10.6.8 
> 13 GB RAM
> 2 x 24 in + 1 x 21 in screens


Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.7.4 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

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Re: Mail compromised?

[Kevin Lock]

Peter,

thanks for your reassuring comments. I will, however, be spooked if 
someone else gets a bogus email from me.

Regards,

Kevin





On 22/08/12 9:57 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:
> On 22/08/2012, at 5:35 AM, Kevin Lock  wrote:
>
>> I have received several emails supposedly from people in my address
>> book.  Their name appears in the header, but the email address is not
>> theirs. The senders do not know each other.
>>
>> As far as I know it is only me receiving these emails. It would seem
>> that I am the common denominator.
>>
>> a sample.
>> On 8/08/12 1:15 AM, Paul x schroederhe...@yahoo.de
>>> http://frontlines.org/images/
>>> 8/6/2012 10:17:05 AM
>>>
>> Any ideas for me on this one?
>
> If the emails are not a form of advertising (ie, SPAM), then you're probably 
> simply the victim of a virus running on the computer of someone you may have 
> never even met. This type of virus typically infects a Windows computer at 
> some point, usually through an email attachment, and starts sending random 
> emails to random email addresses in the user's address book, with a copy of 
> itself as an attachment, thereby spreading the problem. The more vicious ones 
> will choose one address for the "To" address and another for the "From" 
> address, so it becomes impossible to determine from where the original 
> behaviour started. In your case it simply means that someone you have sent an 
> email to at some point has become infected with one of these things.
>
> There's not much you can do about these unfortunately except ignore them. Try 
> to determine if there's any consistency about them which you can filter out 
> by means of a Rule so you move them out of your Inbox if possible, but under 
> no circumstances should you reply to any of them. If the emails are truly 
> random your reply will be pointless, and if they are malicious in any way you 
> are simply confirming your existence on the Net and their frequency will 
> increase.
>
>
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
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Re: Mail compromised?

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 22/08/2012, at 5:35 AM, Kevin Lock  wrote:

> I have received several emails supposedly from people in my address 
> book.  Their name appears in the header, but the email address is not 
> theirs. The senders do not know each other.
> 
> As far as I know it is only me receiving these emails. It would seem 
> that I am the common denominator.
> 
> a sample.
> On 8/08/12 1:15 AM, Paul x schroederhe...@yahoo.de
>> http://frontlines.org/images/
>> 8/6/2012 10:17:05 AM
>> 
> Any ideas for me on this one?


If the emails are not a form of advertising (ie, SPAM), then you're probably 
simply the victim of a virus running on the computer of someone you may have 
never even met. This type of virus typically infects a Windows computer at some 
point, usually through an email attachment, and starts sending random emails to 
random email addresses in the user's address book, with a copy of itself as an 
attachment, thereby spreading the problem. The more vicious ones will choose 
one address for the "To" address and another for the "From" address, so it 
becomes impossible to determine from where the original behaviour started. In 
your case it simply means that someone you have sent an email to at some point 
has become infected with one of these things.

There's not much you can do about these unfortunately except ignore them. Try 
to determine if there's any consistency about them which you can filter out by 
means of a Rule so you move them out of your Inbox if possible, but under no 
circumstances should you reply to any of them. If the emails are truly random 
your reply will be pointless, and if they are malicious in any way you are 
simply confirming your existence on the Net and their frequency will increase.


Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: Mail Downloads folder (for email attachments)

[Ronda Brown]

Hi All,

Mail in Mountain Lion also saves attachments in another location as well, which 
is much harder to find and go through to delete attachments, especially if you 
have quite a few email accounts as I do  :-)

When you receive a message with attachments, Mail stores the raw source of the 
attachments inside the .emlx message file, and keeps a separate copy of the 
attachment alongside the message file in an Attachments folder (both are buried 
'very' deep within ~/Library/ Mail/V2/). 

~/Library/Mail/V2/  select 'one' of your Account Folders (if you have more 
than one account)/then... for an example I'll use my AosIMAP-ronni account path:
~/Library/Mail/V2/AosIMAP-ronni/INBOX.mbox/5457B4B6-xxx---etc/Data/then 
you find folders 0 to 9/ and inside each of those 9 folders are other folders/ 
click one folder/ Attachments/then another folder/then 2, 2.1 or 2.2?/ and 
there is an attachment (which I can 'control-click'-move to trash). Start again 
on another folder...  OMG drat this for a joke... Heck leave the attachments 
there, I don't have time to go through all these folders to find any 
attachments to delete. 

If you remove attachments from a selected message (by choosing Message > Remove 
Attachments), Mail modifies the .emlx file on disk that contains the message 
and also deletes the separate attachment file.

With Daniel's hint below with attachments in the Mail Downloads folder, you can 
choose when Mail deletes attachment copies in the Mail Downloads folder with 
the "Remove Unedited Downloads" pop-up menu on the Mail > Preferences > General 
pane. 
Choose 'Never' to retain the files indefinitely, or 'After Message is Deleted' 
or 'When Mail Quits' to delete them when you quit Mail.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 16/08/2012, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> Just a little hint for those that may not be aware.
> 
> In previous versions of Mac OS X Mail "attachments" that got opened from 
> within the email were saved into Mail Downloads folder. This used to live in 
> the ~/Library folder. (And again, in Lion, in the invisible Library folder).
> In Mountain Lion, this got moved to the following location  
> ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads. 
> 
> This folder can take up a bit of space if not cleaned out. So worth a look at 
> to see how many hundreds of files may be there :o)
> (I've just checked mine which I normally clean out fairly regularly  and even 
> in a small amount of time in Mountain Lion there were about 40 files in 
> there).
> 
> More information can be found here:-
> 
> 
> Hope that helps others.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 4s
> 
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Re: Mail Downloads folder (for email attachments)

[Stuart Breden]

Thanks Daniel.

Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Mbl: 0417 053 266

Please consider the environment before printing this email




On 16/08/2012, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> Just a little hint for those that may not be aware.
> 
> In previous versions of Mac OS X Mail "attachments" that got opened from 
> within the email were saved into Mail Downloads folder. This used to live in 
> the ~/Library folder. (And again, in Lion, in the invisible Library folder).
> In Mountain Lion, this got moved to the following location  
> ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads. 
> 
> This folder can take up a bit of space if not cleaned out. So worth a look at 
> to see how many hundreds of files may be there :o)
> (I've just checked mine which I normally clean out fairly regularly  and even 
> in a small amount of time in Mountain Lion there were about 40 files in 
> there).
> 
> More information can be found here:-
> 
> 
> Hope that helps others.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 4s
> 
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Re: Mail Downloads folder (for email attachments)

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Peter

Correct. 
Basically if you get an attachment and double click it to view it then it will 
save to that folder and open in its associated program (eg .doc to Word, .pdf 
to Preview) etc. then if you save it from the email to the desktop or another 
folder you will have two copies (one where you put it and one in the library 
folder. 
If you then go back to the same email and double click the icon again it will 
open again and save another copy to the library folder. 
That's why sometimes you'll see the file 2,3 or more times. 
Eg filename.pdf then filename-1.pdf and so on. 
I once soon in a clients machine about 15 of the same 6mb file as they weren't 
aware it worked that way every time they re-clicked the file. After a bit of 
training ( and some cleaning up) all was good. I normally leave them a 
link/alias somewhere back to that folder do it's easy access to get to it to 
clean up. 
It doesn't take much for it to build to a few GB's of space. (sure hard drives 
have lots of space - but it all counts. 
And it's easier to clean up 100 files then 1200+ files as it builds up. Lol

So in answer to your question yes it will still stay in your email or your 
folder system where ever you file it to and the ones there can be deleted if 
you don't need them. 
(sorry for the ramble lol. )

Hope that helps. 

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 16/08/2012, at 7:08 PM, Curtis Peter  wrote:

> Hi Daniel
> Thanks for that info, I presume there is nothing in this file that needs to 
> be kept other than for your own reasons?
> Regards
> Peter
> 
> On 16/08/2012, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> Just a little hint for those that may not be aware.
>> 
>> In previous versions of Mac OS X Mail "attachments" that got opened from 
>> within the email were saved into Mail Downloads folder. This used to live in 
>> the ~/Library folder. (And again, in Lion, in the invisible Library folder).
>> In Mountain Lion, this got moved to the following location  
>> ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads. 
>> 
>> This folder can take up a bit of space if not cleaned out. So worth a look 
>> at to see how many hundreds of files may be there :o)
>> (I've just checked mine which I normally clean out fairly regularly  and 
>> even in a small amount of time in Mountain Lion there were about 40 files in 
>> there).
>> 
>> More information can be found here:-
>> 
>> 
>> Hope that helps others.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4s
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
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Re: Mail Downloads folder (for email attachments)

[Curtis Peter]

Hi Daniel
Thanks for that info, I presume there is nothing in this file that needs to be 
kept other than for your own reasons?
Regards
Peter

On 16/08/2012, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> Just a little hint for those that may not be aware.
> 
> In previous versions of Mac OS X Mail "attachments" that got opened from 
> within the email were saved into Mail Downloads folder. This used to live in 
> the ~/Library folder. (And again, in Lion, in the invisible Library folder).
> In Mountain Lion, this got moved to the following location  
> ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Mail Downloads. 
> 
> This folder can take up a bit of space if not cleaned out. So worth a look at 
> to see how many hundreds of files may be there :o)
> (I've just checked mine which I normally clean out fairly regularly  and even 
> in a small amount of time in Mountain Lion there were about 40 files in 
> there).
> 
> More information can be found here:-
> 
> 
> Hope that helps others.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 4s
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
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Re: Mail activity feature in Mountain Lion?

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

Thanks very much.  This last suggestion cleared up a mystery in the series of 
problems I had.  The old mail account has now been deleted from the Outgoing 
Mail Server list.

I think I know how the Mail.app clears the "squiggles and bangs (S&B)".   When 
iMac wakes from sleep mail.app is still on standby.  When mail.app is activated 
it checks out its processes and polls the mail servers.  S&B on the Google IMAP 
accounts are (usually) cleared and the accounts are now on line.  However the 
S&B on the iiNet POP account are not cleared.  At this point no incoming mail 
is downloaded.  I then click on the "Get new messages on all accounts" icon.  
This initiates another mail server poll.  The POP S&B is cleared and mail from 
servers is downloaded.   If I don't force this extra poll, the first regular 
"check for new messages" poll since activating mail.app will do this task.  
This is currently set at 5 minutes.   I may now extend that time but use the 
"Get new messages" button more often.

Hal the Mailer with a malevolent mind has been tamed.  Thanks again.

Cheers
Alan


On 14/08/2012, at 3:47 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

Hi Alan,

Just quickly as still working with Clients.
I'm not sure what problems you are still having from your email below :(

>> 5. Sometime today (well after the squiggle problem was noted over the 
>> weekend) I found that the mail composing box showed two "from" boxes: one 
>> normal and one showing the wrong account.  The normal box showed a choice of 
>> my 3 normal accounts (1 iiNet, 2 gmail), the second box showed 2 iinet, both 
>> "offline", as well as 2 gmail).  The second iiNet account was one cancelled 
>> 18 months ago - it does not appear in preferences.  Mail menu checks showed 
>> all 3 real mailboxes were "online".

If I'm understanding you correctly:
Go to Mail > Preferences > Accounts - Account Information - Outgoing Mail 
Server: click on the button (little arrows), scroll to "Edit SMTP Server List".
Select the one that for the account that is no longer used
Click the (-) to delete

Post back if I have misinterpreted and that is not the problem you are 
experiencing :)

Cheers,
Ronni

On 13/08/2012, at 9:41 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:

> Hi Ronni
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Mail now seems to be working as per the book (and to expectations).  The 
> squiggles and occasional bang had stopped by mid-afternoon.  I could not 
> prove any mail server or internet problem, but found several settings in Mail 
> had got out of kilter.  
> 
> In no particular order:
> 1. I now understand that the Snow Leopard Mail activity gear wheel is not a 
> feature in Mountain Lion.
> 2. I used Mail > Window > Activity to monitor polling of mail servers etc.  
> This is now working impeccably at the 5 minute setting I use.  It starts 5 
> minutes from an initial poll when the iMac is woken from sleep.   I feel that 
> earlier today when it indicated a mailbox was offline (squiggled) it was not 
> giving the initial poll and not doing subsequent polls.  If I forced a "get 
> new messages" poll it then worked until I left the iMac and it went to sleep 
> again.
> 3. I do have System Preferences > Energy Saver "Wake for network access" 
> selected.   I don't think I receive mail when Mac is asleep - but not certain 
> about this.
> 4. Mail is listed (in System Preferences) to open automatically when I log in.
> 5. Sometime today (well after the squiggle problem was noted over the 
> weekend) I found that the mail composing box showed two "from" boxes: one 
> normal and one showing the wrong account.  The normal box showed a choice of 
> my 3 normal accounts (1 iiNet, 2 gmail), the second box showed 2 iinet, both 
> "offline", as well as 2 gmail).  The second iiNet account was one cancelled 
> 18 months ago - it does not appear in preferences.  Mail menu checks showed 
> all 3 real mailboxes were "online".
> 6. I set preferences to select my iiNet mail as default, and also checked 
> preferences for each outgoing mail server account to be the same as the 
> incoming mail address, and also checked the box to "use only this server" for 
> each account.
> 7. I had to enter my password for the outgoing iiNet email.  Didn't test the 
> gmail accounts.
> 8. I have been using mail on my iPad for about 2 weeks, using the same 
> mailboxes as on the iMac.  (Doubling messages received.)  Perhaps this 
> contributed to the problem.
> 
> The problems may point to a corrupt plist.  I didn't touch because I don't 
> know what to do about it.  A Restart or two and re-checking Mail and System 
> preferences have at least got mail working.
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> On 13/08/2012, at 4:28 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> I have serious problems with Mail on my iMac.  I replied to you around 
> lunchtime, but Mail (now called Hal, from 2001 movie) sent it from my gmail 
> account.  This was rejected by WAMUG as it is not my member address.  May 
> also have iiNet problems, but can't access their si

Re: Mail activity feature in Mountain Lion?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Alan,

Just quickly as still working with Clients.
I'm not sure what problems you are still having from your email below :(

>> 5. Sometime today (well after the squiggle problem was noted over the 
>> weekend) I found that the mail composing box showed two "from" boxes: one 
>> normal and one showing the wrong account.  The normal box showed a choice of 
>> my 3 normal accounts (1 iiNet, 2 gmail), the second box showed 2 iinet, both 
>> "offline", as well as 2 gmail).  The second iiNet account was one cancelled 
>> 18 months ago - it does not appear in preferences.  Mail menu checks showed 
>> all 3 real mailboxes were "online".

If I'm understanding you correctly:
Go to Mail > Preferences > Accounts - Account Information - Outgoing Mail 
Server: click on the button (little arrows), scroll to "Edit SMTP Server List".
Select the one that for the account that is no longer used
Click the (-) to delete

Post back if I have misinterpreted and that is not the problem you are 
experiencing :)

Cheers,
Ronni

On 13/08/2012, at 9:41 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:

> Hi Ronni
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Mail now seems to be working as per the book (and to expectations).  The 
> squiggles and occasional bang had stopped by mid-afternoon.  I could not 
> prove any mail server or internet problem, but found several settings in Mail 
> had got out of kilter.  
> 
> In no particular order:
> 1. I now understand that the Snow Leopard Mail activity gear wheel is not a 
> feature in Mountain Lion.
> 2. I used Mail > Window > Activity to monitor polling of mail servers etc.  
> This is now working impeccably at the 5 minute setting I use.  It starts 5 
> minutes from an initial poll when the iMac is woken from sleep.   I feel that 
> earlier today when it indicated a mailbox was offline (squiggled) it was not 
> giving the initial poll and not doing subsequent polls.  If I forced a "get 
> new messages" poll it then worked until I left the iMac and it went to sleep 
> again.
> 3. I do have System Preferences > Energy Saver "Wake for network access" 
> selected.   I don't think I receive mail when Mac is asleep - but not certain 
> about this.
> 4. Mail is listed (in System Preferences) to open automatically when I log in.
> 5. Sometime today (well after the squiggle problem was noted over the 
> weekend) I found that the mail composing box showed two "from" boxes: one 
> normal and one showing the wrong account.  The normal box showed a choice of 
> my 3 normal accounts (1 iiNet, 2 gmail), the second box showed 2 iinet, both 
> "offline", as well as 2 gmail).  The second iiNet account was one cancelled 
> 18 months ago - it does not appear in preferences.  Mail menu checks showed 
> all 3 real mailboxes were "online".
> 6. I set preferences to select my iiNet mail as default, and also checked 
> preferences for each outgoing mail server account to be the same as the 
> incoming mail address, and also checked the box to "use only this server" for 
> each account.
> 7. I had to enter my password for the outgoing iiNet email.  Didn't test the 
> gmail accounts.
> 8. I have been using mail on my iPad for about 2 weeks, using the same 
> mailboxes as on the iMac.  (Doubling messages received.)  Perhaps this 
> contributed to the problem.
> 
> The problems may point to a corrupt plist.  I didn't touch because I don't 
> know what to do about it.  A Restart or two and re-checking Mail and System 
> preferences have at least got mail working.
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> On 13/08/2012, at 4:28 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> I have serious problems with Mail on my iMac.  I replied to you around 
> lunchtime, but Mail (now called Hal, from 2001 movie) sent it from my gmail 
> account.  This was rejected by WAMUG as it is not my member address.  May 
> also have iiNet problems, but can't access their site.
> 
> I will try and get mail fixed first before pursuing my earlier issues.  Mail 
> seems to receive from iiNet but not send.
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 13/08/2012, at 11:30 AM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> The 'squiggle' beside an account name means you are not connected to the 
>> mail server, you are offline at that moment.
>> Perhaps you are not immediately connecting to the Network on wake from sleep.
>> 
>> Mail automatically checks for Mail when you launch Mail.app and then in what 
>> time you have set in Mail Preferences.
>> 
>> Mail > Preferences - General - "Check for new messages" I have "Every 5 
>> minutes".
>> In System Preferences > Energy Saver  do you have "Wake for network access" 
>> selected?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 13/08/2012, at 10:43 AM, Alan Smith  wrote:
>> 
>>> When Mountain Lion wakes from sleep, Mail (v 6.0) usually shows a squiggle 
>>> (the technical term Ronni?) next to the Inbox.   Mail needs the "get new 
>>> message in all accounts" icon clicked to trigger any action.  All mail 
>>> accounts (gmail and iiNet ) initially show the squiggle. 
>>> 
>>

Re: Mail activity feature in Mountain Lion?

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

Thanks for your help.

Mail now seems to be working as per the book (and to expectations).  The 
squiggles and occasional bang had stopped by mid-afternoon.  I could not prove 
any mail server or internet problem, but found several settings in Mail had got 
out of kilter.  

 In no particular order:
1. I now understand that the Snow Leopard Mail activity gear wheel is not a 
feature in Mountain Lion.
2. I used Mail > Window > Activity to monitor polling of mail servers etc.  
This is now working impeccably at the 5 minute setting I use.  It starts 5 
minutes from an initial poll when the iMac is woken from sleep.   I feel that 
earlier today when it indicated a mailbox was offline (squiggled) it was not 
giving the initial poll and not doing subsequent polls.  If I forced a "get new 
messages" poll it then worked until I left the iMac and it went to sleep again.
3. I do have System Preferences > Energy Saver "Wake for network access" 
selected.   I don't think I receive mail when Mac is asleep - but not certain 
about this.
4. Mail is listed (in System Preferences) to open automatically when I log in.
5. Sometime today (well after the squiggle problem was noted over the weekend) 
I found that the mail composing box showed two "from" boxes: one normal and one 
showing the wrong account.  The normal box showed a choice of my 3 normal 
accounts (1 iiNet, 2 gmail), the second box showed 2 iinet, both "offline", as 
well as 2 gmail).  The second iiNet account was one cancelled 18 months ago - 
it does not appear in preferences.  Mail menu checks showed all 3 real 
mailboxes were "online".
6. I set preferences to select my iiNet mail as default, and also checked 
preferences for each outgoing mail server account to be the same as the 
incoming mail address, and also checked the box to "use only this server" for 
each account.
7. I had to enter my password for the outgoing iiNet email.  Didn't test the 
gmail accounts.
8. I have been using mail on my iPad for about 2 weeks, using the same 
mailboxes as on the iMac.  (Doubling messages received.)  Perhaps this 
contributed to the problem.

The problems may point to a corrupt plist.  I didn't touch because I don't know 
what to do about it.  A Restart or two and re-checking Mail and System 
preferences have at least got mail working.

Cheers
Alan
 
On 13/08/2012, at 4:28 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:

Hi Ronni

I have serious problems with Mail on my iMac.  I replied to you around 
lunchtime, but Mail (now called Hal, from 2001 movie) sent it from my gmail 
account.  This was rejected by WAMUG as it is not my member address.  May also 
have iiNet problems, but can't access their site.

I will try and get mail fixed first before pursuing my earlier issues.  Mail 
seems to receive from iiNet but not send.

Cheers
Alan

Sent from my iPad

On 13/08/2012, at 11:30 AM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> 
> The 'squiggle' beside an account name means you are not connected to the mail 
> server, you are offline at that moment.
> Perhaps you are not immediately connecting to the Network on wake from sleep.
> 
> Mail automatically checks for Mail when you launch Mail.app and then in what 
> time you have set in Mail Preferences.
> 
> Mail > Preferences - General - "Check for new messages" I have "Every 5 
> minutes".
> In System Preferences > Energy Saver  do you have "Wake for network access" 
> selected?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 13/08/2012, at 10:43 AM, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
>> When Mountain Lion wakes from sleep, Mail (v 6.0) usually shows a squiggle 
>> (the technical term Ronni?) next to the Inbox.   Mail needs the "get new 
>> message in all accounts" icon clicked to trigger any action.  All mail 
>> accounts (gmail and iiNet ) initially show the squiggle. 
>> 
>> Is there a setting to provide the automatic check for new mail on waking as 
>> was done in Snow Leopard?   S.L. mail immediately showed the rotating gear 
>> wheel activity icon when system became active.
>> 
>> Regards, Alan
>> 
>> Alan Smith
>> iMac 21.5" Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.8
>> iPad2; ATV2
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Re: mail saving drafts

[Stuart Breden]

Anything I've learnt.  Good stuff.

Stuart Breden
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On 13/08/2012, at 5:43 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Alastair & Stuart,
> 
> Are you both using IMAP Mail Accounts? If so:
> Go to Mail Preferances - Accounts - Mailbox Behaviors -
> uncheck - Store draft messages on the server.
> The draft messages should disappear.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 13/08/2012, at 5:36 PM, Stuart Breden  wrote:
> 
>> I discussed this extensively in the past and did not get and solution.
>> 
>> I have it on all the client iMacs at work as well.
>> 
>> Would be interested to hear latest solution.
>> 
>> Stuart Breden
>> PO Box 132
>> Kalamunda WA 6926
>> Ph: (08) 9257 1577
>> Mbl: 0417 053 266
>> 
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/08/2012, at 5:12 PM, alastair taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all
>>> Does anyone know why Mail (5.2 - lowland Lion) sometimes keeps drafts, 
>>> often multiple drafts, of mails even after I've finished and sent them? 
>>> It's a pain because, being a bit of a sausage-brain, I keep thinking I've 
>>> forgotten to send things and waste time checking
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> Alastair
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[alastair taylor]

Hi Ronni

Yes, IMAP account - have duly unchecked

Many thanks
Alastair


On 13/08/2012, at 5:43 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Alastair & Stuart,
> 
> Are you both using IMAP Mail Accounts? If so:
> Go to Mail Preferances - Accounts - Mailbox Behaviors -
> uncheck - Store draft messages on the server.
> The draft messages should disappear.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 13/08/2012, at 5:36 PM, Stuart Breden  wrote:
> 
>> I discussed this extensively in the past and did not get and solution.
>> 
>> I have it on all the client iMacs at work as well.
>> 
>> Would be interested to hear latest solution.
>> 
>> Stuart Breden
>> PO Box 132
>> Kalamunda WA 6926
>> Ph: (08) 9257 1577
>> Mbl: 0417 053 266
>> 
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/08/2012, at 5:12 PM, alastair taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all
>>> Does anyone know why Mail (5.2 - lowland Lion) sometimes keeps drafts, 
>>> often multiple drafts, of mails even after I've finished and sent them? 
>>> It's a pain because, being a bit of a sausage-brain, I keep thinking I've 
>>> forgotten to send things and waste time checking
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> Alastair
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Alastair & Stuart,

Are you both using IMAP Mail Accounts? If so:
Go to Mail Preferances - Accounts - Mailbox Behaviors -
uncheck - Store draft messages on the server.
The draft messages should disappear.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 13/08/2012, at 5:36 PM, Stuart Breden  wrote:

> I discussed this extensively in the past and did not get and solution.
> 
> I have it on all the client iMacs at work as well.
> 
> Would be interested to hear latest solution.
> 
> Stuart Breden
> PO Box 132
> Kalamunda WA 6926
> Ph: (08) 9257 1577
> Mbl: 0417 053 266
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this email
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 13/08/2012, at 5:12 PM, alastair taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello all
>> Does anyone know why Mail (5.2 - lowland Lion) sometimes keeps drafts, often 
>> multiple drafts, of mails even after I've finished and sent them? It's a 
>> pain because, being a bit of a sausage-brain, I keep thinking I've forgotten 
>> to send things and waste time checking
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Alastair

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[Stuart Breden]

I discussed this extensively in the past and did not get and solution.

I have it on all the client iMacs at work as well.

Would be interested to hear latest solution.

Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Mbl: 0417 053 266

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On 13/08/2012, at 5:12 PM, alastair taylor wrote:

> Hello all
> Does anyone know why Mail (5.2 - lowland Lion) sometimes keeps drafts, often 
> multiple drafts, of mails even after I've finished and sent them? It's a pain 
> because, being a bit of a sausage-brain, I keep thinking I've forgotten to 
> send things and waste time checking
> 
> Thank you!
> Alastair
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Re: Mail activity feature in Mountain Lion?

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

I have serious problems with Mail on my iMac.  I replied to you around 
lunchtime, but Mail (now called Hal, from 2001 movie) sent it from my gmail 
account.  This was rejected by WAMUG as it is not my member address.  May also 
have iiNet problems, but can't access their site.

I will try and get mail fixed first before pursuing my earlier issues.  Mail 
seems to receive from iiNet but not send.

Cheers
Alan

Sent from my iPad

On 13/08/2012, at 11:30 AM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> 
> The 'squiggle' beside an account name means you are not connected to the mail 
> server, you are offline at that moment.
> Perhaps you are not immediately connecting to the Network on wake from sleep.
> 
> Mail automatically checks for Mail when you launch Mail.app and then in what 
> time you have set in Mail Preferences.
> 
> Mail > Preferences - General - "Check for new messages" I have "Every 5 
> minutes".
> In System Preferences > Energy Saver  do you have "Wake for network access" 
> selected?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 13/08/2012, at 10:43 AM, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
>> When Mountain Lion wakes from sleep, Mail (v 6.0) usually shows a squiggle 
>> (the technical term Ronni?) next to the Inbox.   Mail needs the "get new 
>> message in all accounts" icon clicked to trigger any action.  All mail 
>> accounts (gmail and iiNet ) initially show the squiggle. 
>> 
>> Is there a setting to provide the automatic check for new mail on waking as 
>> was done in Snow Leopard?   S.L. mail immediately showed the rotating gear 
>> wheel activity icon when system became active.
>> 
>> Regards, Alan
>> 
>> Alan Smith
>> iMac 21.5" Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.8
>> iPad2; ATV2
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Re: Mail activity feature in Mountain Lion?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Alan,

The 'squiggle' beside an account name means you are not connected to the mail 
server, you are offline at that moment.
Perhaps you are not immediately connecting to the Network on wake from sleep.

Mail automatically checks for Mail when you launch Mail.app and then in what 
time you have set in Mail Preferences.

Mail > Preferences - General - "Check for new messages" I have "Every 5 
minutes".
In System Preferences > Energy Saver  do you have "Wake for network access" 
selected?

Cheers,
Ronni

On 13/08/2012, at 10:43 AM, Alan Smith  wrote:

> When Mountain Lion wakes from sleep, Mail (v 6.0) usually shows a squiggle 
> (the technical term Ronni?) next to the Inbox.   Mail needs the "get new 
> message in all accounts" icon clicked to trigger any action.  All mail 
> accounts (gmail and iiNet ) initially show the squiggle. 
> 
> Is there a setting to provide the automatic check for new mail on waking as 
> was done in Snow Leopard?   S.L. mail immediately showed the rotating gear 
> wheel activity icon when system became active.
> 
> Regards, Alan
> 
> Alan Smith
>  iMac 21.5" Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.8
>  iPad2; ATV2

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Re: Mail

[Curtis Peter]

Hi Ronni

On 11/08/2012, at 2:53 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> Do you get an Error Message?
No
> Who is your Mail Server?
Westnet, I think. or maybe CrazyDomains.
> Do you see a 'Squiggle' or a  'Bang' beside an Account Name?
No, not that I'm aware of.
> 
> A 'Squiggle' by an Account Name means not connected to the Mail Server, you 
> might also find you are not online with your computer... 
No squiggle that I'm aware of. Definitely connected to the internet
> 1. Check your Internet Connection to see you can still access the Internet.
Yes
> 2. Click the 'squiggle' symbol next to an account name, some times this jogs 
> the connection back to life.
?
> 3. Check Mail Server availability. Mail Servers occasionally crash. 
Yes, available to other computers
> 
> A 'Bang' symbol (a triangle with an !), means that Account had a failed 
> connection. This means Mail could not contact the server, but received an 
> error message before it could login.
Yes, the "Bang" symbol is there, and stays there until I close Mail and re 
open. Then comes back when I lose connection.
> 1. Click the 'Bang' symbol to see the error message Mail encountered. In the 
> dialogue that appears, click 'Take All Accounts Online".
Yes I do that but it makes no difference.
> 2. Check your authentication method. On Mail's Accounts preferences > select 
> your Account and click the Advanced button.
> At the bottom of the advanced view set the Authentication pop-up menu to 
> Password, close the Preferences window (saving changes when prompted), and 
> try to connect again. 
Already there
> 3. Verify your SSL setting. some POP & IMAP servers support SSL, some don't.
Nothing's changed there.

After closing and reopening the program Mail, it downloads any mail and stays 
connected for some time, then seems to disconnect after a while. It's not 
consistant with the time it takes to go offline.

It's not a huge problem at this stage, as it's variable I'll see what happens 
in the future. It may fix itself after a while or it may get worse, I'll carry 
on learning about ML and see what happens.
Much thanks
Regards
Peter

> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
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> 
> 
> On 10/08/2012, at 7:34 PM, Curtis Peter  wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> I have an unusual one from the upgrade to ML. Mail goes offline and won't go 
>> back online, however, if I shutdown mail and restart, it goes back online 
>> and stays online for a while then goes offline and won't go back online. 
>> Shutdown and restart mail and we go through the whole process again.
>> Any suggestions?
>> Regards
>> Peter
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Do you get an Error Message?
Who is your Mail Server?
Do you see a 'Squiggle' or a  'Bang' beside an Account Name?

A 'Squiggle' by an Account Name means not connected to the Mail Server, you 
might also find you are not online with your computer... 
1. Check your Internet Connection to see you can still access the Internet.
2. Click the 'squiggle' symbol next to an account name, some times this jogs 
the connection back to life.
3. Check Mail Server availability. Mail Servers occasionally crash. 

A 'Bang' symbol (a triangle with an !), means that Account had a failed 
connection. This means Mail could not contact the server, but received an error 
message before it could login.
1. Click the 'Bang' symbol to see the error message Mail encountered. In the 
dialogue that appears, click 'Take All Accounts Online".
2. Check your authentication method. On Mail's Accounts preferences > select 
your Account and click the Advanced button.
At the bottom of the advanced view set the Authentication pop-up menu to 
Password, close the Preferences window (saving changes when prompted), and try 
to connect again. 
3. Verify your SSL setting. some POP & IMAP servers support SSL, some don't.


Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

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On 10/08/2012, at 7:34 PM, Curtis Peter  wrote:

> Hi
> I have an unusual one from the upgrade to ML. Mail goes offline and won't go 
> back online, however, if I shutdown mail and restart, it goes back online and 
> stays online for a while then goes offline and won't go back online. Shutdown 
> and restart mail and we go through the whole process again.
> Any suggestions?
> Regards
> Peter

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Re: Mail Client Configuration, to SSL or not to SSL

[iCloud]

Many thanks Ronni,  again comprehensive and excellent advice.


Regards,


Adrian

adrianske...@me.com




On 27/05/2012, at 5:39 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
> 
> IMAP (SSL) is my recommendation, others might disagree.
> 
> Have a good read of "The Case For Email Security" at this link: 
> 
> 
> Especially  Section 5: Securing Your Email With SSL or TLS
> 
> Extract taken from the Article /
> "SSL: It is simple and easy to use SSL to secure the communications between 
> your computers and your email service provider’s computers. 
> This works no matter who your recipients are. SSL improves security in these 
> ways:
>   It establishes that you are contacting your service provider’s 
> computers and not someone else’s
>   It encrypts the username and password that you use to login to 
> these servers. This mitigates identity theft and other issues.
>   It protects your message from eavesdroppers between your 
> computer and your SMTP server.
> 
> 
> The easiest thing you can do to make your email more secure is to use an 
> email provider that supports “Secure Socket Layer” (SSL) for their Webmail, 
> POP, IMAP, and SMTP servers. TLS is a type of SSL that can be initiated 
> during a mail session; unlike TLS, SSL must be initiated before sending the 
> email (see SSL versus TLS – What’s the difference?)."
> End of Extract/
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
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> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
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> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
> 
> 
> On 27/05/2012, at 11:02 AM, iCloud wrote:
> 
>> Good morning all,
>> 
>> Due to the imminent demise of MobileMe web hosting I have transferred my web 
>> site to another host.  I am setting up e-mail accounts such as 
>> i...@skehan.id.au and the like but cant figure out if I should use the 
>> Auto-Configure Mac Mail.app® for IMAP Access or the Auto-Configure Mac 
>> Mail.app® for IMAP Access (SSL) app provided by the hosting people.  They 
>> also give manual settings; Supported Incoming Mail Protocols: POP3, POP3S 
>> (SSL/TLS), IMAP, IMAPS (SSL/TLS) and Supported Outgoing Mail Protocols: 
>> SMTP, SMTPS (SSL/TLS).
>> 
>> It seems straight forward but to SSL or not to SSL is the question?
>> 
>> Any advice will be appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Adrian
>> 
>> adrianske...@me.com
>> 
>> www.skehan.id.au
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Adrian,

IMAP (SSL) is my recommendation, others might disagree.

Have a good read of "The Case For Email Security" at this link: 


Especially  Section 5: Securing Your Email With SSL or TLS

Extract taken from the Article /
"SSL: It is simple and easy to use SSL to secure the communications between 
your computers and your email service provider’s computers. 
This works no matter who your recipients are. SSL improves security in these 
ways:
It establishes that you are contacting your service provider’s 
computers and not someone else’s
It encrypts the username and password that you use to login to 
these servers. This mitigates identity theft and other issues.
It protects your message from eavesdroppers between your 
computer and your SMTP server.


The easiest thing you can do to make your email more secure is to use an email 
provider that supports “Secure Socket Layer” (SSL) for their Webmail, POP, 
IMAP, and SMTP servers. TLS is a type of SSL that can be initiated during a 
mail session; unlike TLS, SSL must be initiated before sending the email (see 
SSL versus TLS – What’s the difference?)."
End of Extract/

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.7.4 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)


On 27/05/2012, at 11:02 AM, iCloud wrote:

> Good morning all,
> 
> Due to the imminent demise of MobileMe web hosting I have transferred my web 
> site to another host.  I am setting up e-mail accounts such as 
> i...@skehan.id.au and the like but cant figure out if I should use the 
> Auto-Configure Mac Mail.app® for IMAP Access or the Auto-Configure Mac 
> Mail.app® for IMAP Access (SSL) app provided by the hosting people.  They 
> also give manual settings; Supported Incoming Mail Protocols: POP3, POP3S 
> (SSL/TLS), IMAP, IMAPS (SSL/TLS) and Supported Outgoing Mail Protocols: SMTP, 
> SMTPS (SSL/TLS).
> 
> It seems straight forward but to SSL or not to SSL is the question?
> 
> Any advice will be appreciated.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Adrian
> 
> adrianske...@me.com
> 
> www.skehan.id.au




















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Re: Mail ikon from dock

[McCallum Malcolm]

Of course, thanks !

Mac
Malcolm McCallum

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On 23/05/2012, at 10:17 PM, Brian Risbey wrote:

> Would dragging a new icon from your applications folder be a solution?
> 
> If you drag them off the dock they disappear in a 'puff of smoke'.
> 
> Brian
> On 23/05/2012, at 9:53 PM, McCallum Malcolm wrote:
> 
> I have lost the mail ikon from the dock. careless of me :-( but where did i 
> go? I can find mail OK by using spotlight etc but where is the ikon? It is 
> NOT in the dock even when Mail is open!
> 
> Mac
> Malcolm McCallum
> 
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> 
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Would dragging a new icon from your applications folder be a solution?

If you drag them off the dock they disappear in a 'puff of smoke'.

Brian
On 23/05/2012, at 9:53 PM, McCallum Malcolm wrote:

I have lost the mail ikon from the dock. careless of me :-( but where did i go? 
I can find mail OK by using spotlight etc but where is the ikon? It is NOT in 
the dock even when Mail is open!

Mac
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Re: Mail text size

[Bill Parker]

Thanks Ronni,


That bit of script below works a treat.

Bill
On 11/04/2012, at 3:57 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi People who have been following this subject,
> 
> We have exhausted every way of making Mail Text larger, but please bear with 
> me just for one last response.
> 
> I have been annoyed for years with incoming mail from Windows Users showing 
> much smaller than other incoming mail.
> I actually get annoyed that Windows Users even email me… (only kidding Wendy 
> at work, who uses a Mac in her ‘Real Life' ;-))
> 
> Well, today I was determined to solve this annoying problem, and I have 
> achieved what I set out to achieve.
> My eyes are not as good as they used to be, (it’s not anything to do with 
> ‘Age’ Daniel)… it’s spending anything up to 20 hours a day working on 
> computer screens. So I like my email font at size16…
> 
> The Solution:
> 
> The tiny font problem usually involves HTML mail coming from Windows users 
> (why don’t they get a Mac to email me)!
> Fortunately, you can set Mail to have a minimum that it will use for HTML 
> messages... but you have to go to the Terminal for it.  
> 
> 1. Quit Mail
> 2. Open Terminal.app
> 3. Copy & Paste in the following command:
> 
> defaults write com.apple.mail MinimumHTMLFontSize 16
> 
> Note that you can use any size you like, it does not have to be 16.  For eyes 
> that can see well, probably 12. 
> If you don't like it, run the command again with a different number.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
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> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
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> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
>> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This is 
>> fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually enlarge texts 
>> where needed.  I can do this by going:
>> 
>> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  Command 
>> and +  This does *not* work. 
>> 
>> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard operation?
>> 
>> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
>> 
>> 
>> Bill
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[Ronda Brown]

You’re welcome Pete,

I understand, it has annoyed me for a long time. 
I should make more time to solve my little problems… a certain person on this 
list is always telling me to make time to do ‘My Stuff’  ;-)

Cheers,
Ronni

On 11/04/2012, at 4:32 PM, Pete Smith wrote:

> Hi Ronni.
> 
> Thanks for that. It works a treat.
> 
> Now I won't get those forehead marks on the screen when I send emails home 
> from work
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Pete Smith
> 
> iMac 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> 4GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
> 750GB Hdrive OS X 10.6.6
> 
> On 11/04/2012, at 15:57 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi People who have been following this subject,
>> 
>> We have exhausted every way of making Mail Text larger, but please bear with 
>> me just for one last response.
>> 
>> I have been annoyed for years with incoming mail from Windows Users showing 
>> much smaller than other incoming mail.
>> I actually get annoyed that Windows Users even email me… (only kidding Wendy 
>> at work, who uses a Mac in her ‘Real Life' ;-))
>> 
>> Well, today I was determined to solve this annoying problem, and I have 
>> achieved what I set out to achieve.
>> My eyes are not as good as they used to be, (it’s not anything to do with 
>> ‘Age’ Daniel)… it’s spending anything up to 20 hours a day working on 
>> computer screens. So I like my email font at size16…
>> 
>> The Solution:
>> 
>> The tiny font problem usually involves HTML mail coming from Windows users 
>> (why don’t they get a Mac to email me)!
>> Fortunately, you can set Mail to have a minimum that it will use for HTML 
>> messages... but you have to go to the Terminal for it.  
>> 
>> 1. Quit Mail
>> 2. Open Terminal.app
>> 3. Copy & Paste in the following command:
>> 
>> defaults write com.apple.mail MinimumHTMLFontSize 16
>> 
>> Note that you can use any size you like, it does not have to be 16.  For 
>> eyes that can see well, probably 12. 
>> If you don't like it, run the command again with a different number.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>> 
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[Pete Smith]

Hi Ronni.

Thanks for that. It works a treat.

Now I won't get those forehead marks on the screen when I send emails home from 
work

Thanks again.

Pete Smith

iMac 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
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On 11/04/2012, at 15:57 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi People who have been following this subject,
> 
> We have exhausted every way of making Mail Text larger, but please bear with 
> me just for one last response.
> 
> I have been annoyed for years with incoming mail from Windows Users showing 
> much smaller than other incoming mail.
> I actually get annoyed that Windows Users even email me… (only kidding Wendy 
> at work, who uses a Mac in her ‘Real Life' ;-))
> 
> Well, today I was determined to solve this annoying problem, and I have 
> achieved what I set out to achieve.
> My eyes are not as good as they used to be, (it’s not anything to do with 
> ‘Age’ Daniel)… it’s spending anything up to 20 hours a day working on 
> computer screens. So I like my email font at size16…
> 
> The Solution:
> 
> The tiny font problem usually involves HTML mail coming from Windows users 
> (why don’t they get a Mac to email me)!
> Fortunately, you can set Mail to have a minimum that it will use for HTML 
> messages... but you have to go to the Terminal for it.  
> 
> 1. Quit Mail
> 2. Open Terminal.app
> 3. Copy & Paste in the following command:
> 
> defaults write com.apple.mail MinimumHTMLFontSize 16
> 
> Note that you can use any size you like, it does not have to be 16.  For eyes 
> that can see well, probably 12. 
> If you don't like it, run the command again with a different number.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
> OS X 10.7.3 Lion
> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

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[Ronda Brown]

Hi People who have been following this subject,

We have exhausted every way of making Mail Text larger, but please bear with me 
just for one last response.

I have been annoyed for years with incoming mail from Windows Users showing 
much smaller than other incoming mail.
I actually get annoyed that Windows Users even email me… (only kidding Wendy at 
work, who uses a Mac in her ‘Real Life' ;-))

Well, today I was determined to solve this annoying problem, and I have 
achieved what I set out to achieve.
My eyes are not as good as they used to be, (it’s not anything to do with ‘Age’ 
Daniel)… it’s spending anything up to 20 hours a day working on computer 
screens. So I like my email font at size16…

The Solution:

The tiny font problem usually involves HTML mail coming from Windows users (why 
don’t they get a Mac to email me)!
Fortunately, you can set Mail to have a minimum that it will use for HTML 
messages... but you have to go to the Terminal for it.  

1. Quit Mail
2. Open Terminal.app
3. Copy & Paste in the following command:
 
defaults write com.apple.mail MinimumHTMLFontSize 16
 
Note that you can use any size you like, it does not have to be 16.  For eyes 
that can see well, probably 12. 
If you don't like it, run the command again with a different number.


Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.7.3 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)





On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:

> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This is 
> fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually enlarge texts 
> where needed.  I can do this by going:
> 
> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  Command 
> and +  This does *not* work. 
> 
> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard operation?
> 
> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
> 
> 
> Bill

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[Bill Parker]

Peter,

I am well aware of the story!  However, there is "research" of sorts into serif 
vs sanserif.  Not sure I go along with the weird attacks on CS though.

http://typoface.blogspot.com.au/2009/08/academic-base.html

I use Caecilia LT  for most stuff I write.   Anyway Daniels' simple "iconic" 
suggestion works a treat.

Bill


On 11/04/2012, at 7:52 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:

> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
>> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This is 
>> fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually enlarge texts 
>> where needed.  I can do this by going:
>> 
>> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  Command 
>> and +  This does *not* work. 
>> 
>> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard operation?
>> 
>> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
>> 
> 
> 
> Just to add a slightly different slant to all the replies, it is pertinent to 
> point out that our WAMUG list may one of the safer places to admit that you 
> use Comic Sans in such a way. There are parts of the internet where the use 
> of Comic Sans is considered to be almost a hanging offence.
> 
> Here's just one example...and there are plenty of others:
> 
> http://bancomicsans.com/main/
> 
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
> 
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On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:

> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This is 
> fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually enlarge texts 
> where needed.  I can do this by going:
> 
> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  Command 
> and +  This does *not* work. 
> 
> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard operation?
> 
> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
> 


Just to add a slightly different slant to all the replies, it is pertinent to 
point out that our WAMUG list may one of the safer places to admit that you use 
Comic Sans in such a way. There are parts of the internet where the use of 
Comic Sans is considered to be almost a hanging offence.

Here's just one example...and there are plenty of others:

http://bancomicsans.com/main/


Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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[Winters John]

I've been following this thread and was a little puzzled, because the "command 
+" (or "command =" for the pedant) worked just fine in Mail.

Then I tried it again as I read through the thread (there's a case study for 
NLP) and it didn't work. 

It seems that if there is only one email in the thread, the command +/- keys 
work every time, making the text larger or smaller, but if reading a 
multi-message thread, it seems to stop working. In actual fact, in a thread of 
emails, there is one selected email outlined in blue to which the keystrokes 
are directed, regardless of which message in the thread you are currently 
reading. Try clicking on one message in this thread and use the keys to make 
the test bigger, then scroll so it is no longer visible and use the keys to 
make the text smaller. Nothing will happen in the visible but unselected 
message, however the selected message will change even though off screen. 
Scroll back to check. Weird, but makes sense when you think about it!

Regards,
John
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[Bill Parker]

This is one of the many things I learned today!  And here it is white wine. ( 
Never mind what the time in Auckland is)
Bill
On 10/04/2012, at 5:56 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

> Or, in Mail (and Safari). Go to View menu, Choose "Customise Toolbar..."
> Drag in the "little A big A" to the menu bar. Repeat for Main Window, New 
> Message menu and when reading an email Window. Then you will have it there 
> all the time. If you then forget the keys for it, you can just click the Big 
> A to make ti larger and the small A to make it smaller.
> Works the same in Safari too. (Though you only need do it once for the Main 
> window). Mail lets you customise it three times, as each "window" is 
> different.
> 
> Just another way to have it there.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Macintosh**
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 5:50 PM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
>> Now I have more knowledge!  INcoming email - use Command plus the +/= WORKS  
>> OUTgoing emails Command plus +/=  DOESN'T.
>> 
>> Does this matter?  Probably not!
>> 
>> Bill
>> On 10/04/2012, at 5:14 PM, peta wrote:
>> 
>>> Well Ronni, Alan and everyone else who wrote about "Mail Text Size" - this 
>>> is the second giggle I have had today.  Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Ronni I also confuse myself just reading questions, never minding trying to 
>>> answer questions!
>>> 
>>> It is now 5;15 in my house.  Surely we can now have our glass of red?
>>> 
>>> Peta
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:43 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry Alan, I did not wish to confuse you.
 I know I confuse myself sometimes with the way my lateral thinking mind 
 works.
 I don't alway make sense to myself... ;-))
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 3:36 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> Yes, I now "read" what you "wrote".  I  had taken a different slant on 
> your response. I use the change font size commands all the time in 
> Safari without conscious effort, but from now on I will be quite confused 
> if I need 2 or 3 keys!
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 3:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> That is correct behaviour as I mentioned below "It should read as the 
> keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress the shift key ;-))"
> 
> A little bit confusing for some...
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 3:05 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
>> To add to the confusion - - -
>> 
>> With Mail (v4.5) on my iMac (OS 10.6.8)  "Command =" works just as well 
>> as "Command +" to increase the font size of emails!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Alan
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 1:19 PM, Bill Parker wrote:
>> 
>> I have no usage for command and + that I know of.   It works fine in 
>> FireFox, and used to work in Mail (I think)
>> Bill
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:56 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
>>> It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you 
>>> depress the shift key ;-))
>>> To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  
>>> 
>>> But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Bill,
 
 You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
 So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
 
 You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut 
 perhaps?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
 
> Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see 
> in the Format menu!
> B
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
>> Not "Command - +"
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>> 
>>> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  
>>> This is fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I 
>>> usually enlarge texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
>>> 
>>> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes: 
>>>  Command and +  This does *not* work. 
>>> 
>>> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard 
>>> operation?
>>> 
>>> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bill
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[Daniel Kerr]

Or, in Mail (and Safari). Go to View menu, Choose "Customise Toolbar..."
Drag in the "little A big A" to the menu bar. Repeat for Main Window, New 
Message menu and when reading an email Window. Then you will have it there all 
the time. If you then forget the keys for it, you can just click the Big A to 
make ti larger and the small A to make it smaller.
Works the same in Safari too. (Though you only need do it once for the Main 
window). Mail lets you customise it three times, as each "window" is different.

Just another way to have it there.

Kind regards
Daniel
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   


**For everything Macintosh**

On 10/04/2012, at 5:50 PM, Bill Parker wrote:

> Now I have more knowledge!  INcoming email - use Command plus the +/= WORKS  
> OUTgoing emails Command plus +/=  DOESN'T.
> 
> Does this matter?  Probably not!
> 
> Bill
> On 10/04/2012, at 5:14 PM, peta wrote:
> 
>> Well Ronni, Alan and everyone else who wrote about "Mail Text Size" - this 
>> is the second giggle I have had today.  Thank you.
>> 
>> Ronni I also confuse myself just reading questions, never minding trying to 
>> answer questions!
>> 
>> It is now 5;15 in my house.  Surely we can now have our glass of red?
>> 
>> Peta
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:43 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry Alan, I did not wish to confuse you.
>>> I know I confuse myself sometimes with the way my lateral thinking mind 
>>> works.
>>> I don't alway make sense to myself... ;-))
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:36 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Ronni
 
 Yes, I now "read" what you "wrote".  I  had taken a different slant on 
 your response. I use the change font size commands all the time in 
 Safari without conscious effort, but from now on I will be quite confused 
 if I need 2 or 3 keys!
 
 Cheers
 Alan
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 3:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Alan,
 
 That is correct behaviour as I mentioned below "It should read as the keys 
  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress the shift key ;-))"
 
 A little bit confusing for some...
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 3:05 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
 
> To add to the confusion - - -
> 
> With Mail (v4.5) on my iMac (OS 10.6.8)  "Command =" works just as well 
> as "Command +" to increase the font size of emails!
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 1:19 PM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
> I have no usage for command and + that I know of.   It works fine in 
> FireFox, and used to work in Mail (I think)
> Bill
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:56 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
>> It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you 
>> depress the shift key ;-))
>> To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  
>> 
>> But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> 
>>> You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
>>> So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
>>> 
>>> You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>>> 
 Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see 
 in the Format menu!
 B
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
> Not "Command - +"
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
>> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  
>> This is fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I 
>> usually enlarge texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
>> 
>> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
>> Command and +  This does *not* work. 
>> 
>> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard 
>> operation?
>> 
>> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
>> 
>> 
>> Bill
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[Bill Parker]

Now I have more knowledge!  INcoming email - use Command plus the +/= WORKS  
OUTgoing emails Command plus +/=  DOESN'T.

Does this matter?  Probably not!

Bill
On 10/04/2012, at 5:14 PM, peta wrote:

> Well Ronni, Alan and everyone else who wrote about "Mail Text Size" - this is 
> the second giggle I have had today.  Thank you.
> 
> Ronni I also confuse myself just reading questions, never minding trying to 
> answer questions!
> 
> It is now 5;15 in my house.  Surely we can now have our glass of red?
> 
> Peta
> 
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 3:43 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Sorry Alan, I did not wish to confuse you.
>> I know I confuse myself sometimes with the way my lateral thinking mind 
>> works.
>> I don't alway make sense to myself... ;-))
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:36 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> Yes, I now "read" what you "wrote".  I  had taken a different slant on your 
>>> response. I use the change font size commands all the time in Safari 
>>> without conscious effort, but from now on I will be quite confused if I 
>>> need 2 or 3 keys!
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> 
>>> That is correct behaviour as I mentioned below "It should read as the keys  
>>> “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress the shift key ;-))"
>>> 
>>> A little bit confusing for some...
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:05 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
>>> 
 To add to the confusion - - -
 
 With Mail (v4.5) on my iMac (OS 10.6.8)  "Command =" works just as well as 
 "Command +" to increase the font size of emails!
 
 Cheers
 Alan
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 1:19 PM, Bill Parker wrote:
 
 I have no usage for command and + that I know of.   It works fine in 
 FireFox, and used to work in Mail (I think)
 Bill
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:56 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
> It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you 
> depress the shift key ;-))
> To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  
> 
> But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
>> So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
>> 
>> You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>> 
>>> Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see 
>>> in the Format menu!
>>> B
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Bill,
 
 The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
 Not "Command - +"
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
 
> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  
> This is fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I 
> usually enlarge texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
> 
> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
> Command and +  This does *not* work. 
> 
> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard 
> operation?
> 
> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
> 
> 
> Bill
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peta,

You sure can have your glass of red... I'm going to take a break very soon and 
'open the bar' at my place :-) 5PM is 7PM in my home state Victoria, well past 
pre-dinner drinks time!

Enjoy you glass or two of Red... I'll have a toast to you fellow Red drinker...

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 10/04/2012, at 5:14 PM, peta  wrote:

> Well Ronni, Alan and everyone else who wrote about "Mail Text Size" - this is 
> the second giggle I have had today.  Thank you.
> 
> Ronni I also confuse myself just reading questions, never minding trying to 
> answer questions!
> 
> It is now 5;15 in my house.  Surely we can now have our glass of red?
> 
> Peta
> 
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 3:43 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Sorry Alan, I did not wish to confuse you.
>> I know I confuse myself sometimes with the way my lateral thinking mind 
>> works.
>> I don't alway make sense to myself... ;-))
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:36 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> Yes, I now "read" what you "wrote".  I  had taken a different slant on your 
>>> response. I use the change font size commands all the time in Safari 
>>> without conscious effort, but from now on I will be quite confused if I 
>>> need 2 or 3 keys!
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> 
>>> That is correct behaviour as I mentioned below "It should read as the keys  
>>> “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress the shift key ;-))"
>>> 
>>> A little bit confusing for some...
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:05 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
>>> 
 To add to the confusion - - -
 
 With Mail (v4.5) on my iMac (OS 10.6.8)  "Command =" works just as well as 
 "Command +" to increase the font size of emails!
 
 Cheers
 Alan
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 1:19 PM, Bill Parker wrote:
 
 I have no usage for command and + that I know of.   It works fine in 
 FireFox, and used to work in Mail (I think)
 Bill
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:56 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
> It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you 
> depress the shift key ;-))
> To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  
> 
> But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
>> So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
>> 
>> You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>> 
>>> Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see 
>>> in the Format menu!
>>> B
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Bill,
 
 The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
 Not "Command - +"
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
 
> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  
> This is fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I 
> usually enlarge texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
> 
> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
> Command and +  This does *not* work. 
> 
> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard 
> operation?
> 
> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
> 
> 
> Bill
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[peta]

Well Ronni, Alan and everyone else who wrote about "Mail Text Size" - this is 
the second giggle I have had today.  Thank you.

Ronni I also confuse myself just reading questions, never minding trying to 
answer questions!

It is now 5;15 in my house.  Surely we can now have our glass of red?

Peta


On 10/04/2012, at 3:43 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Sorry Alan, I did not wish to confuse you.
> I know I confuse myself sometimes with the way my lateral thinking mind works.
> I don't alway make sense to myself... ;-))
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 3:36 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Yes, I now "read" what you "wrote".  I  had taken a different slant on your 
>> response. I use the change font size commands all the time in Safari 
>> without conscious effort, but from now on I will be quite confused if I need 
>> 2 or 3 keys!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Alan
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> That is correct behaviour as I mentioned below "It should read as the keys  
>> “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress the shift key ;-))"
>> 
>> A little bit confusing for some...
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 3:05 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
>> 
>>> To add to the confusion - - -
>>> 
>>> With Mail (v4.5) on my iMac (OS 10.6.8)  "Command =" works just as well as 
>>> "Command +" to increase the font size of emails!
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 1:19 PM, Bill Parker wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have no usage for command and + that I know of.   It works fine in 
>>> FireFox, and used to work in Mail (I think)
>>> Bill
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:56 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
 It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you 
 depress the shift key ;-))
 To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  
 
 But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
> So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
> 
> You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
>> Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see in 
>> the Format menu!
>> B
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> 
>>> The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
>>> Not "Command - +"
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>>> 
 I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This 
 is fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually 
 enlarge texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
 
 Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
 Command and +  This does *not* work. 
 
 Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard 
 operation?
 
 Macbook Pro 10.6.8
 
 
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Re: Mail text size

[Ronda Brown]

Sorry Alan, I did not wish to confuse you.
 I know I confuse myself sometimes with the way my lateral thinking mind works.
I don't alway make sense to myself... ;-))

Cheers,
Ronni

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On 10/04/2012, at 3:36 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:

> Hi Ronni
> 
> Yes, I now "read" what you "wrote".  I  had taken a different slant on your 
> response. I use the change font size commands all the time in Safari 
> without conscious effort, but from now on I will be quite confused if I need 
> 2 or 3 keys!
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 3:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> That is correct behaviour as I mentioned below "It should read as the keys  
> “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress the shift key ;-))"
> 
> A little bit confusing for some...
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 3:05 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
>> To add to the confusion - - -
>> 
>> With Mail (v4.5) on my iMac (OS 10.6.8)  "Command =" works just as well as 
>> "Command +" to increase the font size of emails!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Alan
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 1:19 PM, Bill Parker wrote:
>> 
>> I have no usage for command and + that I know of.   It works fine in 
>> FireFox, and used to work in Mail (I think)
>> Bill
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:56 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
>>> It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you 
>>> depress the shift key ;-))
>>> To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  
>>> 
>>> But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Bill,
 
 You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
 So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
 
 You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
 
> Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see in 
> the Format menu!
> B
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
>> Not "Command - +"
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>> 
>>> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This 
>>> is fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually 
>>> enlarge texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
>>> 
>>> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
>>> Command and +  This does *not* work. 
>>> 
>>> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard 
>>> operation?
>>> 
>>> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Mail text size

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

Yes, I now "read" what you "wrote".  I  had taken a different slant on your 
response. I use the change font size commands all the time in Safari 
without conscious effort, but from now on I will be quite confused if I need 2 
or 3 keys!

Cheers
Alan

On 10/04/2012, at 3:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

Hi Alan,

That is correct behaviour as I mentioned below "It should read as the keys  
“Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress the shift key ;-))"

A little bit confusing for some...

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 10/04/2012, at 3:05 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:

> To add to the confusion - - -
> 
> With Mail (v4.5) on my iMac (OS 10.6.8)  "Command =" works just as well as 
> "Command +" to increase the font size of emails!
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 1:19 PM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
> I have no usage for command and + that I know of.   It works fine in FireFox, 
> and used to work in Mail (I think)
> Bill
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:56 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
>> It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress 
>> the shift key ;-))
>> To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  
>> 
>> But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> 
>>> You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
>>> So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
>>> 
>>> You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>>> 
 Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see in 
 the Format menu!
 B
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
> Not "Command - +"
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
>> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This 
>> is fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually 
>> enlarge texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
>> 
>> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
>> Command and +  This does *not* work. 
>> 
>> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard 
>> operation?
>> 
>> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
>> 
>> 
>> Bill
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Alan,

That is correct behaviour as I mentioned below "It should read as the keys  
“Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress the shift key ;-))"

A little bit confusing for some...

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 10/04/2012, at 3:05 PM, Alan Smith  wrote:

> To add to the confusion - - -
> 
> With Mail (v4.5) on my iMac (OS 10.6.8)  "Command =" works just as well as 
> "Command +" to increase the font size of emails!
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 1:19 PM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
> I have no usage for command and + that I know of.   It works fine in FireFox, 
> and used to work in Mail (I think)
> Bill
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:56 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
>> It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress 
>> the shift key ;-))
>> To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  
>> 
>> But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> 
>>> You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
>>> So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
>>> 
>>> You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>>> 
 Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see in 
 the Format menu!
 B
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
> Not "Command - +"
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
>> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This 
>> is fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually 
>> enlarge texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
>> 
>> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
>> Command and +  This does *not* work. 
>> 
>> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard 
>> operation?
>> 
>> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
>> 
>> 
>> Bill
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Re: Mail text size

[Alan Smith]

To add to the confusion - - -

With Mail (v4.5) on my iMac (OS 10.6.8)  "Command =" works just as well as 
"Command +" to increase the font size of emails!

Cheers
Alan

On 10/04/2012, at 1:19 PM, Bill Parker wrote:

I have no usage for command and + that I know of.   It works fine in FireFox, 
and used to work in Mail (I think)
Bill
On 10/04/2012, at 11:56 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
> It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress 
> the shift key ;-))
> To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  
> 
> But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
>> So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
>> 
>> You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>> 
>>> Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see in 
>>> the Format menu!
>>> B
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Bill,
 
 The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
 Not "Command - +"
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
 
> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This is 
> fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually enlarge 
> texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
> 
> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
> Command and +  This does *not* work. 
> 
> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard 
> operation?
> 
> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
> 
> 
> Bill
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[Bill Parker]

I have no usage for command and + that I know of.   It works fine in FireFox, 
and used to work in Mail (I think)
Bill
On 10/04/2012, at 11:56 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
> It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress 
> the shift key ;-))
> To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  
> 
> But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
>> So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
>> 
>> You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>> 
>>> Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see in 
>>> the Format menu!
>>> B
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Bill,
 
 The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
 Not "Command - +"
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
 
> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This is 
> fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually enlarge 
> texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
> 
> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
> Command and +  This does *not* work. 
> 
> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard 
> operation?
> 
> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
> 
> 
> Bill
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[Ronda Brown]

Actually Bill if we wish to be exact in our terminology.
It should read as the keys  “Command - =“  because to type  “+”  you depress 
the shift key ;-))
To type = you don’t depress any key other than =  

But Apple do say “Command - +” to enlarge Text?

Cheers,
Ronni


On 10/04/2012, at 11:46 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Bill,
> 
> You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
> So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.
> 
> You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
>> Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see in the 
>> Format menu!
>> B
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> 
>>> The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
>>> Not "Command - +"
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>>> 
 I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This is 
 fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually enlarge 
 texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
 
 Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
 Command and +  This does *not* work. 
 
 Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard operation?
 
 Macbook Pro 10.6.8
 
 
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Bill,

You are correct Bill;  “Command - + “ works to make text larger
So does “Command - Shift - +” works to make text larger.

You might have “Command-+” set for some other keyboard sort cut perhaps?

Cheers,
Ronni

On 10/04/2012, at 11:19 AM, Bill Parker wrote:

> Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see in the 
> Format menu!
> B
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
>> Not "Command - +"
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
>> 
>>> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This is 
>>> fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually enlarge 
>>> texts where needed.  I can do this by going:
>>> 
>>> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  
>>> Command and +  This does *not* work. 
>>> 
>>> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard operation?
>>> 
>>> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
>>> 
>>> 
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[Bill Parker]

Aha... but I was thinking it was Command + because that is what I see in the 
Format menu!
B
On 10/04/2012, at 11:13 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Bill,
> 
> The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
> Not "Command - +"
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
>> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This is 
>> fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually enlarge texts 
>> where needed.  I can do this by going:
>> 
>> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  Command 
>> and +  This does *not* work. 
>> 
>> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard operation?
>> 
>> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
>> 
>> 
>> Bill
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Bill,

The Keyboard shortcut is "Command - Shift - +"
Not "Command - +"
Cheers,
Ronni

On 10/04/2012, at 11:05 AM, Bill Parker wrote:

> I have my text size for message in Mail set at Comic Sans MS 18.  This is 
> fine for outgoings and mostly for incoming.  However I usually enlarge texts 
> where needed.  I can do this by going:
> 
> Format > Style>Bigger.   (It works)  But I prefer keyboard strokes:  Command 
> and +  This does *not* work. 
> 
> Is there something that needs resetting to get back the keyboard operation?
> 
> Macbook Pro 10.6.8
> 
> 
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Re: mail/iCal playing with exchange

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Eugene,

Yes, Exchange 2003 doesn't have any problem with iOS but does with OS X.
Exchange 2007 works with both OS.

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> Hi Ronni and others,
> 
> at work I used my iPhone to create a work based Exchange 2003 email and 
> calendar account on my iPhone. The Mac doesn't play with Exchange 2003 but 
> the iPhone does. When it updated its calendar to the shared Exchange calendar 
> the iPhone was quite happy to sync with the Macintosh.
> 
> Thanks for your help Ronni, the article you linked set me in the right 
> direction. 
> 
>  Regards,
>  Eugene
> 
> 
> On 23/02/2012, at 6:03 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eugene,
>> 
>> If it is Exchange Server 2003 your work is using, below might explain.
>> 
>> "Microsoft started using Exchange Web Services protcol beginning with 
>> Exchange 2007.  This is what OSX's Mail uses and why it won't work directly 
>> with Exchange 2003.
>> 
>> Microsoft has already ended mainstream support for Exchange 2003.  So why 
>> would Apple add support for a version of software that the manufacturer 
>> doesn't support anymore?  Since most companies consider Exchange a mission 
>> critial server, any company still using Exchange 2003 has seriously bigger 
>> problems on their hands and that is something that Apple can't really help 
>> them with."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 22/02/2012, at 11:36 PM, Eugene de Gouw  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks very much for your prompt reply Ronni, always appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Meeting requests already work under outlook with no intervention.
>>> 
>>> Is it the same process for sharing entire calendars?
>>> 
>>> I will try it on a PC tomorrow at work anyway if it is the same.
>>> 
>>>Regards,
>>>Eugene
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 22/02/2012, at 9:22 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Eugene,
 
 By default, Apple's Mail app and iCal app cannot read Outlook's default 
 calendar invitation format. If you know that the recipient is an Apple 
 user, you can set Outlook to send out the meeting requests and event 
 invitations in the iCal format.
 
 1 Open Outlook.
 
 2 Select "Tools," then "Options," then "Calendar Options."
 
 3 Select "Advanced Options." Enable "When sending meeting requests over 
 the Internet, use iCalendar format" by checking the respective box. 
 
 Click "OK/Apply" to save the changes. 
 From now on, when you send meeting requests and invitations from Outlook, 
 they'll be sent out in the iCal .ics format.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad
 
 On 22/02/2012, at 7:27 PM, Eugene de Gouw  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I have my work account which is connected as an exchange server talking 
> quite happily with mail. When someone uses outlook from a PC to send an 
> invitation to me, Mail is quite willing to forward it through to iCal. 
> All is good in the world, they are quite friendly and play nicely.
> 
> However, when someone sends me a calendar from outlook it sends an .xml 
> file. On clicking this Final Cut Pro offers to open it for me - which is 
> quite useless. 'Open with' only shows other applications which don't help 
> either.
> 
> How can I get mail to accept a Outlook calendar and forward it to iCal? 
> 
> I'm running Lion, on 17" MBP, I think the exchange server is 2003.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>  Regards,
>  Eugene
> 
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[Eugene de Gouw]

Hi Ronni and others,

at work I used my iPhone to create a work based Exchange 2003 email and 
calendar account on my iPhone. The Mac doesn't play with Exchange 2003 but the 
iPhone does. When it updated its calendar to the shared Exchange calendar the 
iPhone was quite happy to sync with the Macintosh.

Thanks for your help Ronni, the article you linked set me in the right 
direction. 

  Regards,
  Eugene
 

On 23/02/2012, at 6:03 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Eugene,
> 
> If it is Exchange Server 2003 your work is using, below might explain.
> 
> "Microsoft started using Exchange Web Services protcol beginning with 
> Exchange 2007.  This is what OSX's Mail uses and why it won't work directly 
> with Exchange 2003.
> 
> Microsoft has already ended mainstream support for Exchange 2003.  So why 
> would Apple add support for a version of software that the manufacturer 
> doesn't support anymore?  Since most companies consider Exchange a mission 
> critial server, any company still using Exchange 2003 has seriously bigger 
> problems on their hands and that is something that Apple can't really help 
> them with."
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 22/02/2012, at 11:36 PM, Eugene de Gouw  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks very much for your prompt reply Ronni, always appreciated.
>> 
>> Meeting requests already work under outlook with no intervention.
>> 
>> Is it the same process for sharing entire calendars?
>> 
>> I will try it on a PC tomorrow at work anyway if it is the same.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Eugene
>> 
>> 
>> On 22/02/2012, at 9:22 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Eugene,
>>> 
>>> By default, Apple's Mail app and iCal app cannot read Outlook's default 
>>> calendar invitation format. If you know that the recipient is an Apple 
>>> user, you can set Outlook to send out the meeting requests and event 
>>> invitations in the iCal format.
>>> 
>>> 1 Open Outlook.
>>> 
>>> 2 Select "Tools," then "Options," then "Calendar Options."
>>> 
>>> 3 Select "Advanced Options." Enable "When sending meeting requests over the 
>>> Internet, use iCalendar format" by checking the respective box. 
>>> 
>>> Click "OK/Apply" to save the changes. 
>>> From now on, when you send meeting requests and invitations from Outlook, 
>>> they'll be sent out in the iCal .ics format.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> On 22/02/2012, at 7:27 PM, Eugene de Gouw  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I have my work account which is connected as an exchange server talking 
 quite happily with mail. When someone uses outlook from a PC to send an 
 invitation to me, Mail is quite willing to forward it through to iCal. All 
 is good in the world, they are quite friendly and play nicely.
 
 However, when someone sends me a calendar from outlook it sends an .xml 
 file. On clicking this Final Cut Pro offers to open it for me - which is 
 quite useless. 'Open with' only shows other applications which don't help 
 either.
 
 How can I get mail to accept a Outlook calendar and forward it to iCal? 
 
 I'm running Lion, on 17" MBP, I think the exchange server is 2003.
 
 Thanks.
 
   Regards,
   Eugene
 
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Re: mail/iCal playing with exchange

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Eugene,

If it is Exchange Server 2003 your work is using, below might explain.

"Microsoft started using Exchange Web Services protcol beginning with Exchange 
2007.  This is what OSX's Mail uses and why it won't work directly with 
Exchange 2003.
 
Microsoft has already ended mainstream support for Exchange 2003.  So why would 
Apple add support for a version of software that the manufacturer doesn't 
support anymore?  Since most companies consider Exchange a mission critial 
server, any company still using Exchange 2003 has seriously bigger problems on 
their hands and that is something that Apple can't really help them with."



Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 22/02/2012, at 11:36 PM, Eugene de Gouw  wrote:

> Thanks very much for your prompt reply Ronni, always appreciated.
> 
> Meeting requests already work under outlook with no intervention.
> 
> Is it the same process for sharing entire calendars?
> 
> I will try it on a PC tomorrow at work anyway if it is the same.
> 
>  Regards,
>  Eugene
> 
> 
> On 22/02/2012, at 9:22 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eugene,
>> 
>> By default, Apple's Mail app and iCal app cannot read Outlook's default 
>> calendar invitation format. If you know that the recipient is an Apple user, 
>> you can set Outlook to send out the meeting requests and event invitations 
>> in the iCal format.
>> 
>> 1 Open Outlook.
>> 
>> 2 Select "Tools," then "Options," then "Calendar Options."
>> 
>> 3 Select "Advanced Options." Enable "When sending meeting requests over the 
>> Internet, use iCalendar format" by checking the respective box. 
>> 
>> Click "OK/Apply" to save the changes. 
>> From now on, when you send meeting requests and invitations from Outlook, 
>> they'll be sent out in the iCal .ics format.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 22/02/2012, at 7:27 PM, Eugene de Gouw  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have my work account which is connected as an exchange server talking 
>>> quite happily with mail. When someone uses outlook from a PC to send an 
>>> invitation to me, Mail is quite willing to forward it through to iCal. All 
>>> is good in the world, they are quite friendly and play nicely.
>>> 
>>> However, when someone sends me a calendar from outlook it sends an .xml 
>>> file. On clicking this Final Cut Pro offers to open it for me - which is 
>>> quite useless. 'Open with' only shows other applications which don't help 
>>> either.
>>> 
>>> How can I get mail to accept a Outlook calendar and forward it to iCal? 
>>> 
>>> I'm running Lion, on 17" MBP, I think the exchange server is 2003.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>>Regards,
>>>Eugene
>>> 
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[Eugene de Gouw]

Thanks very much for your prompt reply Ronni, always appreciated.

Meeting requests already work under outlook with no intervention.

Is it the same process for sharing entire calendars?

I will try it on a PC tomorrow at work anyway if it is the same.

  Regards,
  Eugene
 

On 22/02/2012, at 9:22 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Eugene,
> 
> By default, Apple's Mail app and iCal app cannot read Outlook's default 
> calendar invitation format. If you know that the recipient is an Apple user, 
> you can set Outlook to send out the meeting requests and event invitations in 
> the iCal format.
> 
> 1 Open Outlook.
> 
> 2 Select "Tools," then "Options," then "Calendar Options."
> 
> 3 Select "Advanced Options." Enable "When sending meeting requests over the 
> Internet, use iCalendar format" by checking the respective box. 
> 
> Click "OK/Apply" to save the changes. 
> From now on, when you send meeting requests and invitations from Outlook, 
> they'll be sent out in the iCal .ics format.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 22/02/2012, at 7:27 PM, Eugene de Gouw  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have my work account which is connected as an exchange server talking 
>> quite happily with mail. When someone uses outlook from a PC to send an 
>> invitation to me, Mail is quite willing to forward it through to iCal. All 
>> is good in the world, they are quite friendly and play nicely.
>> 
>> However, when someone sends me a calendar from outlook it sends an .xml 
>> file. On clicking this Final Cut Pro offers to open it for me - which is 
>> quite useless. 'Open with' only shows other applications which don't help 
>> either.
>> 
>> How can I get mail to accept a Outlook calendar and forward it to iCal? 
>> 
>> I'm running Lion, on 17" MBP, I think the exchange server is 2003.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Eugene
>> 
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[Eugene de Gouw]

Thanks very much for your prompt reply Ronni, always appreciated.

Meeting requests already work under outlook with no intervention.

Is it the same process for sharing entire calendars?

I will try it on a PC tomorrow at work anyway if it is the same.

  Regards,
  Eugene
 

On 22/02/2012, at 9:22 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Eugene,
> 
> By default, Apple's Mail app and iCal app cannot read Outlook's default 
> calendar invitation format. If you know that the recipient is an Apple user, 
> you can set Outlook to send out the meeting requests and event invitations in 
> the iCal format.
> 
> 1 Open Outlook.
> 
> 2 Select "Tools," then "Options," then "Calendar Options."
> 
> 3 Select "Advanced Options." Enable "When sending meeting requests over the 
> Internet, use iCalendar format" by checking the respective box. 
> 
> Click "OK/Apply" to save the changes. 
> From now on, when you send meeting requests and invitations from Outlook, 
> they'll be sent out in the iCal .ics format.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 22/02/2012, at 7:27 PM, Eugene de Gouw  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have my work account which is connected as an exchange server talking 
>> quite happily with mail. When someone uses outlook from a PC to send an 
>> invitation to me, Mail is quite willing to forward it through to iCal. All 
>> is good in the world, they are quite friendly and play nicely.
>> 
>> However, when someone sends me a calendar from outlook it sends an .xml 
>> file. On clicking this Final Cut Pro offers to open it for me - which is 
>> quite useless. 'Open with' only shows other applications which don't help 
>> either.
>> 
>> How can I get mail to accept a Outlook calendar and forward it to iCal? 
>> 
>> I'm running Lion, on 17" MBP, I think the exchange server is 2003.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Eugene
>> 
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Eugene,

By default, Apple's Mail app and iCal app cannot read Outlook's default 
calendar invitation format. If you know that the recipient is an Apple user, 
you can set Outlook to send out the meeting requests and event invitations in 
the iCal format.

1 Open Outlook.

2 Select "Tools," then "Options," then "Calendar Options."

3 Select "Advanced Options." Enable "When sending meeting requests over the 
Internet, use iCalendar format" by checking the respective box. 

Click "OK/Apply" to save the changes. 
>From now on, when you send meeting requests and invitations from Outlook, 
>they'll be sent out in the iCal .ics format.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 22/02/2012, at 7:27 PM, Eugene de Gouw  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have my work account which is connected as an exchange server talking quite 
> happily with mail. When someone uses outlook from a PC to send an invitation 
> to me, Mail is quite willing to forward it through to iCal. All is good in 
> the world, they are quite friendly and play nicely.
> 
> However, when someone sends me a calendar from outlook it sends an .xml file. 
> On clicking this Final Cut Pro offers to open it for me - which is quite 
> useless. 'Open with' only shows other applications which don't help either.
> 
> How can I get mail to accept a Outlook calendar and forward it to iCal? 
> 
> I'm running Lion, on 17" MBP, I think the exchange server is 2003.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>  Regards,
>  Eugene
> 
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Re: Mail

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Michael,

Sorry, I missed your email coming in as I was working on other WAMUG plus 
Clients questions, all hitting my mailboxes at the same time :-)

With your "My Card (Me)” you can restrict what information shows when you 
distribute your vCard via email to others. 

Restrict Private Information:

If you don't want to share all of your contact information with everyone you 
send your vCard to, you can choose to keep certain parts private. 
Go to the Address Book Preferences and check "Enable Private Me Card”. 
Now when you Edit your own card, you can use the check boxes to choose which 
information is exported as your vCard.

I prefer having My Card (Me) as it can be quite useful as other Applications, 
Safari & iChat in particular, will use that information in various ways, such 
as filling in forms online, accessing your email address, and displaying your 
photo!

There you go “displaying your photo” in Mail is now explained to all on WAMUG 
Mailing list. 
Because I have my Ronni Brown Card in Address Book set as “My Card” (Me) & I 
have a photo, my 'Mug Shot' appears in Lion Mail.
I can restrict anything else I don’t wish to display, but the photo (Mug Shot) 
you can’t (unless you delete it).

This is new to Lion Mail, in Snow Leopard Mail the photo did not show.

Thanks Tim for your comment: 
 I can see a lovely young woman smiling at me.

The photo is Ronni, but unfortunately it is a younger version of Ronni … not a 
current version (as people who have met me know) ;-)

Cheers,
Ronni


On 13/01/2012, at 10:06 AM, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> Hi Ronni,
> 
> I get to see your photo and Adrian's photo, just like Tim does.
> 
> I've just checked the preferences in Address Book and each option in vCard 
> was ticked, including "Enable private me card", "Export notes in vCards" and 
> "Export photos in vCards".
> 
> Such a trap for the unwary, especially if any-one has made notes on vCards, 
> notes intended as a private aide memoir.
> 
> Now to see if that blasted butterfly has taken umbrage at not being wanted, 
> and has flown away.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael.
> 
> PS: I've now checked my entry as it was in my Address Book and that butterfly 
> was there. I selected my Card and in the drop down menu chose card > Clear 
> Custom Image and the butterfly went away. It has been replaced by one of the 
> grey-out images the TV stations used to display when playing a sound bite.
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2012, at 6:48 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peder,
>> 
>> Thanks for your reply.
>> 
>> On 12/01/2012, at 6:37 PM, Peder Kristensen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ronni,
>>> 
>>> Just follow up. Yours and Adrian’s photo did not show up Mail in the Snow 
>>> Leopard system, however, after installing Lion they do.
>> 
>> That's correct!
>> As I mentioned previously:
>> I understand that in Lion Mail that if the person sending the email has 
>> chosen a personal Address Book card using the Menu - Card > Make This My 
>> Card (MeCard)  then if there is a photo on that card it will show up on 
>> email for the recipients.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/01/2012, at 18:25 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks Tim for your reply,
 
 My answers below in situ
 
 On 12/01/2012, at 6:04 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
 
> 
> On 12/01/2012, at 5:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> No Tim we don’t see your photo in the WAMUG emails.
> 
> That's good to know/clarify.
> 
>> Do you have your photo in your card in Address Book
> 
> Yes, it is in there. 
> 
>> and in System Preferences > Users & Groups?
> 
> Yes. The same photo is there. I assume that is where Address Book gets it 
> from, or vice versa.
 
 That is correct.
> 
> 
>> 
>> And yes, we have noticed that my OLD “My Card” (personal vCard) in 
>> Address Book shows up on ‘some’ WAMUG recipients messages. Mainly 
>> MobileMe email accounts.
>> 
>> If a recipient of the message has the sender's vCard (Card in Address 
>> Book) and it includes a photo, then the photo will show in messages from 
>> that person.
>> Do you have my vCard or have setup a card in Address Book with my 
>> details?
> 
> No I don't. I don't have any details for Adrian Skehan either in my 
> Address Book, but I see both your photos in emails either of you send to 
> WAMUG. 
 
 I would presume that Adrian has his Address Book Card set as his My Card 
 as do I.
 
> 
> 
>> I understand that in Lion Mail that if the person sending the email has 
>> chosen a personal Address Book card using the Menu - Card > Make This My 
>> Card (MeCard)  then if there is a photo on that card it will show up on 
>> email for the recipients. 
> 
> This appears to be what is happening. I note that this occurs for only 
> yourself and Adrian, and a quick scan through shows me you ar

Re: Mail

[Michael Hawkins]

Hi Ronni,

I get to see your photo and Adrian's photo, just like Tim does.

I've just checked the preferences in Address Book and each option in vCard was 
ticked, including "Enable private me card", "Export notes in vCards" and 
"Export photos in vCards".

Such a trap for the unwary, especially if any-one has made notes on vCards, 
notes intended as a private aide memoir.

Now to see if that blasted butterfly has taken umbrage at not being wanted, and 
has flown away.

Regards,

Michael.

PS: I've now checked my entry as it was in my Address Book and that butterfly 
was there. I selected my Card and in the drop down menu chose card > Clear 
Custom Image and the butterfly went away. It has been replaced by one of the 
grey-out images the TV stations used to display when playing a sound bite.


On 12/01/2012, at 6:48 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Peder,
> 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> On 12/01/2012, at 6:37 PM, Peder Kristensen  wrote:
> 
>> Ronni,
>> 
>> Just follow up. Yours and Adrian’s photo did not show up Mail in the Snow 
>> Leopard system, however, after installing Lion they do.
> 
> That's correct!
> As I mentioned previously:
> I understand that in Lion Mail that if the person sending the email has 
> chosen a personal Address Book card using the Menu - Card > Make This My Card 
> (MeCard)  then if there is a photo on that card it will show up on email for 
> the recipients.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
>> 
>> On 12/01/2012, at 18:25 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Tim for your reply,
>>> 
>>> My answers below in situ
>>> 
>>> On 12/01/2012, at 6:04 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
 
 On 12/01/2012, at 5:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> No Tim we don’t see your photo in the WAMUG emails.
 
 That's good to know/clarify.
 
> Do you have your photo in your card in Address Book
 
 Yes, it is in there. 
 
> and in System Preferences > Users & Groups?
 
 Yes. The same photo is there. I assume that is where Address Book gets it 
 from, or vice versa.
>>> 
>>> That is correct.
 
 
> 
> And yes, we have noticed that my OLD “My Card” (personal vCard) in 
> Address Book shows up on ‘some’ WAMUG recipients messages. Mainly 
> MobileMe email accounts.
> 
> If a recipient of the message has the sender's vCard (Card in Address 
> Book) and it includes a photo, then the photo will show in messages from 
> that person.
> Do you have my vCard or have setup a card in Address Book with my details?
 
 No I don't. I don't have any details for Adrian Skehan either in my 
 Address Book, but I see both your photos in emails either of you send to 
 WAMUG. 
>>> 
>>> I would presume that Adrian has his Address Book Card set as his My Card as 
>>> do I.
>>> 
 
 
> I understand that in Lion Mail that if the person sending the email has 
> chosen a personal Address Book card using the Menu - Card > Make This My 
> Card (MeCard)  then if there is a photo on that card it will show up on 
> email for the recipients. 
 
 This appears to be what is happening. I note that this occurs for only 
 yourself and Adrian, and a quick scan through shows me you are both 
 mac.com and me.com subscribers and send from that account. Not many other 
 WAMUG posters send from their mac.com or me.com  accounts, and it seems 
 that those who do - Adrian and yourself, appear as images in my Mail. Not 
 that I mind, just found it contrary to what we'd understood was happening. 
>>> 
>>> I think there are more people than Adrian & I using their .me or .mac email 
>>> address on WAMUG.
>>> I also would be surprised if only Adrian & I have our Cards in Address Book 
>>> set as our 'My Card'.
>>> But that seems to be the common factor having your card set as My Card.
>>> 
 
 
> 
> If you have an Address Book card for the sender, then the photo on that 
> card will override the photo for their personal Address Book card.
> 
> Tim you can remove old photos from appearing in Mail messages.
> Address Book stores pictures in the folder:
> ~/Library/Images/People/ or in Lion ‘iChat Recent Pictures'
> 
> Click the Home icon in the Finder toolbar, then proceed to your Library 
> folder then images > people
> 
> After you navigate to the People or iChat Recent Pictures folder, you see 
> files with names that correspond to the email addresses in your Address 
> book. 
> 
 
 There is no folder ~/Library/Images/People, but there is 
 ~/Library/Images/iChat Recent Pictures. 
 In that folder there are no pictures of anyone, just two images I have 
 used in the past as my photo in Address Book. 
 
 I am using 10.7.2 and Mail 5.1
>>> 
>>> I a not near  my computer to check but look in Home Library > Application 
>>> Support > Address Book, if I remember correctly th

Re: Mail

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peder,

Thanks for your reply.

On 12/01/2012, at 6:37 PM, Peder Kristensen  wrote:

> Ronni,
> 
> Just follow up. Yours and Adrian’s photo did not show up Mail in the Snow 
> Leopard system, however, after installing Lion they do.

That's correct!
As I mentioned previously:
I understand that in Lion Mail that if the person sending the email has chosen 
a personal Address Book card using the Menu - Card > Make This My Card (MeCard) 
 then if there is a photo on that card it will show up on email for the 
recipients.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

> 
> On 12/01/2012, at 18:25 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Tim for your reply,
>> 
>> My answers below in situ
>> 
>> On 12/01/2012, at 6:04 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/01/2012, at 5:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Tim,
 
 No Tim we don’t see your photo in the WAMUG emails.
>>> 
>>> That's good to know/clarify.
>>> 
 Do you hve your photo in your card in Address Book
>>> 
>>> Yes, it is in there. 
>>> 
 and in System Preferences > Users & Groups?
>>> 
>>> Yes. The same photo is there. I assume that is where Address Book gets it 
>>> from, or vice versa.
>> 
>> That is correct.
>>> 
>>> 
 
 And yes, we have noticed that my OLD “My Card” (personal vCard) in Address 
 Book shows up on ‘some’ WAMUG recipients messages. Mainly MobileMe email 
 accounts.
 
 If a recipient of the message has the sender's vCard (Card in Address 
 Book) and it includes a photo, then the photo will show in messages from 
 that person.
 Do you have my vCard or have setup a card in Address Book with my details?
>>> 
>>> No I don't. I don't have any details for Adrian Skehan either in my Address 
>>> Book, but I see both your photos in emails either of you send to WAMUG. 
>> 
>> I would presume that Adrian has his Address Book Card set as his My Card as 
>> do I.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 I understand that in Lion Mail that if the person sending the email has 
 chosen a personal Address Book card using the Menu - Card > Make This My 
 Card (MeCard)  then if there is a photo on that card it will show up on 
 email for the recipients. 
>>> 
>>> This appears to be what is happening. I note that this occurs for only 
>>> yourself and Adrian, and a quick scan through shows me you are both mac.com 
>>> and me.com subscribers and send from that account. Not many other WAMUG 
>>> posters send from their mac.com or me.com  accounts, and it seems that 
>>> those who do - Adrian and yourself, appear as images in my Mail. Not that I 
>>> mind, just found it contrary to what we'd understood was happening. 
>> 
>> I think there are more people than Adrian & I using their .me or .mac email 
>> address on WAMUG.
>> I also would be surprised if only Adrian & I have our Cards in Address Book 
>> set as our 'My Card'.
>> But that seems to be the common factor having your card set as My Card.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
 If you have an Address Book card for the sender, then the photo on that 
 card will override the photo for their personal Address Book card.
 
 Tim you can remove old photos from appearing in Mail messages.
 Address Book stores pictures in the folder:
  ~/Library/Images/People/ or in Lion ‘iChat Recent Pictures'
 
 Click the Home icon in the Finder toolbar, then proceed to your Library 
 folder then images > people
 
 After you navigate to the People or iChat Recent Pictures folder, you see 
 files with names that correspond to the email addresses in your Address 
 book. 
 
>>> 
>>> There is no folder ~/Library/Images/People, but there is 
>>> ~/Library/Images/iChat Recent Pictures. 
>>> In that folder there are no pictures of anyone, just two images I have used 
>>> in the past as my photo in Address Book. 
>>> 
>>> I am using 10.7.2 and Mail 5.1
>> 
>> I a not near  my computer to check but look in Home Library > Application 
>> Support > Address Book, if I remember correctly there you will find images.
>>> 
>>> Neither your, or Adrians, details are stored in my redundant Entourage 
>>> Address Book either.
>> 
>> No it has nothing to do with Entourage Address Book.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As I've said, I don't particularly mind seeing pictures of people, but if 
>>> they are not expecting it to be displayed - which was the query of the 
>>> original poster - then it'd be good to understand under what situations 
>>> this is happening. 
>> 
>> He did not have a photo.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>>> 
>>> Ta
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 To remove a picture, simply drag it to the Trash.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.7.2 Lion
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 
 
 On 12/01/2012, at 5:05 PM, Tim Law wrote:
 
> 
> On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>>

Re: Mail

[Peder Kristensen]

Ronni,

Just follow up. Yours and Adrian’s photo did not show up Mail in the Snow 
Leopard system, however, after installing Lion they do.

Cheers,
Peder


On 12/01/2012, at 18:25 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Thanks Tim for your reply,
> 
> My answers below in situ
> 
> On 12/01/2012, at 6:04 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 12/01/2012, at 5:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> No Tim we don’t see your photo in the WAMUG emails.
>> 
>> That's good to know/clarify.
>> 
>>> Do you hve your photo in your card in Address Book
>> 
>> Yes, it is in there. 
>> 
>>> and in System Preferences > Users & Groups?
>> 
>> Yes. The same photo is there. I assume that is where Address Book gets it 
>> from, or vice versa.
> 
> That is correct.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> And yes, we have noticed that my OLD “My Card” (personal vCard) in Address 
>>> Book shows up on ‘some’ WAMUG recipients messages. Mainly MobileMe email 
>>> accounts.
>>> 
>>> If a recipient of the message has the sender's vCard (Card in Address Book) 
>>> and it includes a photo, then the photo will show in messages from that 
>>> person.
>>> Do you have my vCard or have setup a card in Address Book with my details?
>> 
>> No I don't. I don't have any details for Adrian Skehan either in my Address 
>> Book, but I see both your photos in emails either of you send to WAMUG. 
> 
> I would presume that Adrian has his Address Book Card set as his My Card as 
> do I.
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I understand that in Lion Mail that if the person sending the email has 
>>> chosen a personal Address Book card using the Menu - Card > Make This My 
>>> Card (MeCard)  then if there is a photo on that card it will show up on 
>>> email for the recipients. 
>> 
>> This appears to be what is happening. I note that this occurs for only 
>> yourself and Adrian, and a quick scan through shows me you are both mac.com 
>> and me.com subscribers and send from that account. Not many other WAMUG 
>> posters send from their mac.com or me.com  accounts, and it seems that those 
>> who do - Adrian and yourself, appear as images in my Mail. Not that I mind, 
>> just found it contrary to what we'd understood was happening. 
> 
> I think there are more people than Adrian & I using their .me or .mac email 
> address on WAMUG.
> I also would be surprised if only Adrian & I have our Cards in Address Book 
> set as our 'My Card'.
> But that seems to be the common factor having your card set as My Card.
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> If you have an Address Book card for the sender, then the photo on that 
>>> card will override the photo for their personal Address Book card.
>>> 
>>> Tim you can remove old photos from appearing in Mail messages.
>>> Address Book stores pictures in the folder:
>>>   ~/Library/Images/People/ or in Lion ‘iChat Recent Pictures'
>>> 
>>> Click the Home icon in the Finder toolbar, then proceed to your Library 
>>> folder then images > people
>>> 
>>> After you navigate to the People or iChat Recent Pictures folder, you see 
>>> files with names that correspond to the email addresses in your Address 
>>> book. 
>>> 
>> 
>> There is no folder ~/Library/Images/People, but there is 
>> ~/Library/Images/iChat Recent Pictures. 
>> In that folder there are no pictures of anyone, just two images I have used 
>> in the past as my photo in Address Book. 
>> 
>> I am using 10.7.2 and Mail 5.1
> 
> I a not near  my computer to check but look in Home Library > Application 
> Support > Address Book, if I remember correctly there you will find images.
>> 
>> Neither your, or Adrians, details are stored in my redundant Entourage 
>> Address Book either.
> 
> No it has nothing to do with Entourage Address Book.
>> 
>> 
>> As I've said, I don't particularly mind seeing pictures of people, but if 
>> they are not expecting it to be displayed - which was the query of the 
>> original poster - then it'd be good to understand under what situations this 
>> is happening. 
> 
> He did not have a photo.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> Ta
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> To remove a picture, simply drag it to the Trash.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
>>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>>> 
>>> OS X 10.7.2 Lion
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/01/2012, at 5:05 PM, Tim Law wrote:
>>> 
 
 On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up 
> the Mac. 
> It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
> The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail 
> does not see it.
> 
 
 Hi Ronni, 
 
 I'm not so sure about this. 
 
 In the emails I receive from the list from your @mac address, I can see a 
 lovely young woman smiling at me. 
 Likewise, Adrian's smiling face appears when he is sending from his 
 @me.com account. No one else's image

Re: Mail

[Ronda Brown]

Thanks Tim for your reply,

My answers below in situ

On 12/01/2012, at 6:04 PM, Tim Law  wrote:

> 
> On 12/01/2012, at 5:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> No Tim we don’t see your photo in the WAMUG emails.
> 
> That's good to know/clarify.
> 
>> Do you hve your photo in your card in Address Book
> 
> Yes, it is in there. 
> 
>> and in System Preferences > Users & Groups?
> 
> Yes. The same photo is there. I assume that is where Address Book gets it 
> from, or vice versa.

That is correct.
> 
> 
>> 
>> And yes, we have noticed that my OLD “My Card” (personal vCard) in Address 
>> Book shows up on ‘some’ WAMUG recipients messages. Mainly MobileMe email 
>> accounts.
>> 
>> If a recipient of the message has the sender's vCard (Card in Address Book) 
>> and it includes a photo, then the photo will show in messages from that 
>> person.
>> Do you have my vCard or have setup a card in Address Book with my details?
> 
> No I don't. I don't have any details for Adrian Skehan either in my Address 
> Book, but I see both your photos in emails either of you send to WAMUG. 

I would presume that Adrian has his Address Book Card set as his My Card as do 
I.

> 
> 
>> I understand that in Lion Mail that if the person sending the email has 
>> chosen a personal Address Book card using the Menu - Card > Make This My 
>> Card (MeCard)  then if there is a photo on that card it will show up on 
>> email for the recipients. 
> 
> This appears to be what is happening. I note that this occurs for only 
> yourself and Adrian, and a quick scan through shows me you are both mac.com 
> and me.com subscribers and send from that account. Not many other WAMUG 
> posters send from their mac.com or me.com  accounts, and it seems that those 
> who do - Adrian and yourself, appear as images in my Mail. Not that I mind, 
> just found it contrary to what we'd understood was happening. 

I think there are more people than Adrian & I using their .me or .mac email 
address on WAMUG.
I also would be surprised if only Adrian & I have our Cards in Address Book set 
as our 'My Card'.
But that seems to be the common factor having your card set as My Card.

> 
> 
>> 
>> If you have an Address Book card for the sender, then the photo on that card 
>> will override the photo for their personal Address Book card.
>> 
>> Tim you can remove old photos from appearing in Mail messages.
>> Address Book stores pictures in the folder:
>>~/Library/Images/People/ or in Lion ‘iChat Recent Pictures'
>> 
>> Click the Home icon in the Finder toolbar, then proceed to your Library 
>> folder then images > people
>> 
>> After you navigate to the People or iChat Recent Pictures folder, you see 
>> files with names that correspond to the email addresses in your Address 
>> book. 
>>
> 
> There is no folder ~/Library/Images/People, but there is 
> ~/Library/Images/iChat Recent Pictures. 
> In that folder there are no pictures of anyone, just two images I have used 
> in the past as my photo in Address Book. 
> 
> I am using 10.7.2 and Mail 5.1

I a not near  my computer to check but look in Home Library > Application 
Support > Address Book, if I remember correctly there you will find images.
> 
> Neither your, or Adrians, details are stored in my redundant Entourage 
> Address Book either.

No it has nothing to do with Entourage Address Book.
> 
> 
> As I've said, I don't particularly mind seeing pictures of people, but if 
> they are not expecting it to be displayed - which was the query of the 
> original poster - then it'd be good to understand under what situations this 
> is happening. 

He did not have a photo.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> Ta
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> To remove a picture, simply drag it to the Trash.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>> 
>> OS X 10.7.2 Lion
>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/01/2012, at 5:05 PM, Tim Law wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up 
 the Mac. 
 It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
 The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail 
 does not see it.
 
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni, 
>>> 
>>> I'm not so sure about this. 
>>> 
>>> In the emails I receive from the list from your @mac address, I can see a 
>>> lovely young woman smiling at me. 
>>> Likewise, Adrian's smiling face appears when he is sending from his @me.com 
>>> account. No one else's images are presented to the receiver, only from 
>>> mac.com and me.com addresses. 
>>> 
>>> I've no other way of having these images, i.e. we are not Facebook friends 
>>> - which I have found can import photos of others into my own Address Book
>>> 
>>> As a test, I'll send this from my @me.com account and see if my photo comes 
>>> through. 
>>> 
>>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>

Re: Mail

[Tim Law]

On 12/01/2012, at 5:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> 
> No Tim we don’t see your photo in the WAMUG emails.

That's good to know/clarify.

> Do you hve your photo in your card in Address Book

Yes, it is in there. 

> and in System Preferences > Users & Groups?

Yes. The same photo is there. I assume that is where Address Book gets it from, 
or vice versa.


> 
> And yes, we have noticed that my OLD “My Card” (personal vCard) in Address 
> Book shows up on ‘some’ WAMUG recipients messages. Mainly MobileMe email 
> accounts.
> 
> If a recipient of the message has the sender's vCard (Card in Address Book) 
> and it includes a photo, then the photo will show in messages from that 
> person.
> Do you have my vCard or have setup a card in Address Book with my details?

No I don't. I don't have any details for Adrian Skehan either in my Address 
Book, but I see both your photos in emails either of you send to WAMUG. 


> I understand that in Lion Mail that if the person sending the email has 
> chosen a personal Address Book card using the Menu - Card > Make This My Card 
> (MeCard)  then if there is a photo on that card it will show up on email for 
> the recipients. 

This appears to be what is happening. I note that this occurs for only yourself 
and Adrian, and a quick scan through shows me you are both mac.com and me.com 
subscribers and send from that account. Not many other WAMUG posters send from 
their mac.com or me.com  accounts, and it seems that those who do - Adrian and 
yourself, appear as images in my Mail. Not that I mind, just found it contrary 
to what we'd understood was happening. 


> 
> If you have an Address Book card for the sender, then the photo on that card 
> will override the photo for their personal Address Book card.
> 
> Tim you can remove old photos from appearing in Mail messages.
> Address Book stores pictures in the folder:
>   ~/Library/Images/People/ or in Lion ‘iChat Recent Pictures'
> 
> Click the Home icon in the Finder toolbar, then proceed to your Library 
> folder then images > people
> 
> After you navigate to the People or iChat Recent Pictures folder, you see 
> files with names that correspond to the email addresses in your Address book. 
>   

There is no folder ~/Library/Images/People, but there is ~/Library/Images/iChat 
Recent Pictures. 
In that folder there are no pictures of anyone, just two images I have used in 
the past as my photo in Address Book. 

I am using 10.7.2 and Mail 5.1

Neither your, or Adrians, details are stored in my redundant Entourage Address 
Book either. 

As I've said, I don't particularly mind seeing pictures of people, but if they 
are not expecting it to be displayed - which was the query of the original 
poster - then it'd be good to understand under what situations this is 
happening. 

Ta

Tim





> To remove a picture, simply drag it to the Trash.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
> OS X 10.7.2 Lion
> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2012, at 5:05 PM, Tim Law wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up 
>>> the Mac. 
>>> It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
>>> The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail 
>>> does not see it.
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi Ronni, 
>> 
>> I'm not so sure about this. 
>> 
>> In the emails I receive from the list from your @mac address, I can see a 
>> lovely young woman smiling at me. 
>> Likewise, Adrian's smiling face appears when he is sending from his @me.com 
>> account. No one else's images are presented to the receiver, only from 
>> mac.com and me.com addresses. 
>> 
>> I've no other way of having these images, i.e. we are not Facebook friends - 
>> which I have found can import photos of others into my own Address Book
>> 
>> As a test, I'll send this from my @me.com account and see if my photo comes 
>> through. 
>> 
>> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mail

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Tim,

No Tim we don’t see your photo in the WAMUG emails. Do you hve your photo in 
your card in Address Book and in System Preferences > Users & Groups?

And yes, we have noticed that my OLD “My Card” (personal vCard) in Address Book 
shows up on ‘some’ WAMUG recipients messages. Mainly MobileMe email accounts.

If a recipient of the message has the sender's vCard (Card in Address Book) and 
it includes a photo, then the photo will show in messages from that person.
Do you have my vCard or have setup a card in Address Book with my details?

I understand that in Lion Mail that if the person sending the email has chosen 
a personal Address Book card using the Menu - Card > Make This My Card (MeCard) 
 then if there is a photo on that card it will show up on email for the 
recipients. 

If you have an Address Book card for the sender, then the photo on that card 
will override the photo for their personal Address Book card.

Tim you can remove old photos from appearing in Mail messages.
Address Book stores pictures in the folder:
~/Library/Images/People/ or in Lion ‘iChat Recent Pictures'

Click the Home icon in the Finder toolbar, then proceed to your Library folder 
then images > people

After you navigate to the People or iChat Recent Pictures folder, you see files 
with names that correspond to the email addresses in your Address book. 

To remove a picture, simply drag it to the Trash.

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.7.2 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)



On 12/01/2012, at 5:05 PM, Tim Law wrote:

> 
> On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up the 
>> Mac. 
>> It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
>> The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail does 
>> not see it.
>> 
> 
> Hi Ronni, 
> 
> I'm not so sure about this. 
> 
> In the emails I receive from the list from your @mac address, I can see a 
> lovely young woman smiling at me. 
> Likewise, Adrian's smiling face appears when he is sending from his @me.com 
> account. No one else's images are presented to the receiver, only from 
> mac.com and me.com addresses. 
> 
> I've no other way of having these images, i.e. we are not Facebook friends - 
> which I have found can import photos of others into my own Address Book
> 
> As a test, I'll send this from my @me.com account and see if my photo comes 
> through. 
> 
> Tim













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Re: Mail

[Peder Kristensen]

Hi Ronni,

This applies to me too.  I get yours and Adrian image in incoming emails, and 
none of you are in my address book. So what gives?

Cheers,
Peder


On 12/01/2012, at 17:05 PM, Tim Law wrote:

> 
> On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up the 
>> Mac. 
>> It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
>> The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail does 
>> not see it.
>> 
> 
> Hi Ronni, 
> 
> I'm not so sure about this. 
> 
> In the emails I receive from the list from your @mac address, I can see a 
> lovely young woman smiling at me. 
> Likewise, Adrian's smiling face appears when he is sending from his @me.com 
> account. No one else's images are presented to the receiver, only from 
> mac.com and me.com addresses. 
> 
> I've no other way of having these images, i.e. we are not Facebook friends - 
> which I have found can import photos of others into my own Address Book
> 
> As a test, I'll send this from my @me.com account and see if my photo comes 
> through. 
> 
> Tim
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[Brian Risbey]

Hi Tim,

Perhaps you were lucky enough to have a direct email from these people, as I 
have been, and their image was attached to that email - which was not plain 
text format as are the WAMUG emails we enjoy receiving.

Brian




On 12/01/2012, at 5:05 PM, Tim Law wrote:


On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up the 
> Mac. 
> It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
> The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail does 
> not see it.
> 

Hi Ronni, 

I'm not so sure about this. 

In the emails I receive from the list from your @mac address, I can see a 
lovely young woman smiling at me. 
Likewise, Adrian's smiling face appears when he is sending from his @me.com 
account. No one else's images are presented to the receiver, only from mac.com 
and me.com addresses. 

I've no other way of having these images, i.e. we are not Facebook friends - 
which I have found can import photos of others into my own Address Book

As a test, I'll send this from my @me.com account and see if my photo comes 
through. 

Tim

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[Tim Law]

On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up the 
> Mac. 
> It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
> The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail does 
> not see it.
> 

Hi Ronni, 

I'm not so sure about this. 

In the emails I receive from the list from your @mac address, I can see a 
lovely young woman smiling at me. 
Likewise, Adrian's smiling face appears when he is sending from his @me.com 
account. No one else's images are presented to the receiver, only from mac.com 
and me.com addresses. 

I've no other way of having these images, i.e. we are not Facebook friends - 
which I have found can import photos of others into my own Address Book

As a test, I'll send this from my @me.com account and see if my photo comes 
through. 

Tim

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Re: Mail

[Bill Parker]

OK,   Now I have a Red-tailed Black cockatoo.   far more suitable.
On 09/01/2012, at 12:21 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote:

> Bill,
> 
> Despite your interest in jazz and rowing, not to mention science, I wouldn't 
> describe you as either a "moron" or a "square".
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael.
> 
> 
> On 09/01/2012, at 11:56 AM, Bill Parker wrote:
> 
>> All this chat had me wondering what my "picture" was.  Removed immediately 
>> and replaced with a maroon square.
>> Bill
>> On 09/01/2012, at 11:07 AM, cm wrote:
>> 
>>> I would definitely class this ID photo business as an annoyance. The 
>>> default should be no photo unless one goes out of ones way to add a photo. 
>>> Mind you I reserve the withering insult of "Windows' behaviour" for 
>>> Microsoft products which seem to choose user inconvenience, unexpected 
>>> behaviour, and loss of data as the norm rather than the exception. :-)
>>> 
>>> C
>>> 
>>> On 09/01/2012, at 11:01 , Michael Hawkins wrote:
>>> 
 Apple's "benevolence" in foisting this onto Mail users smacks of Windows' 
 behaviour!
 
 Michael.
 
 On 09/01/2012, at 9:46 AM, Curtis Peter wrote:
 
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[Michael Hawkins]

Bill,

Despite your interest in jazz and rowing, not to mention science, I wouldn't 
describe you as either a "moron" or a "square".

Regards,

Michael.


On 09/01/2012, at 11:56 AM, Bill Parker wrote:

> All this chat had me wondering what my "picture" was.  Removed immediately 
> and replaced with a maroon square.
> Bill
> On 09/01/2012, at 11:07 AM, cm wrote:
> 
>> I would definitely class this ID photo business as an annoyance. The default 
>> should be no photo unless one goes out of ones way to add a photo. Mind you 
>> I reserve the withering insult of "Windows' behaviour" for Microsoft 
>> products which seem to choose user inconvenience, unexpected behaviour, and 
>> loss of data as the norm rather than the exception. :-)
>> 
>> C
>> 
>> On 09/01/2012, at 11:01 , Michael Hawkins wrote:
>> 
>>> Apple's "benevolence" in foisting this onto Mail users smacks of Windows' 
>>> behaviour!
>>> 
>>> Michael.
>>> 
>>> On 09/01/2012, at 9:46 AM, Curtis Peter wrote:
>>> 
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[Bill Parker]

All this chat had me wondering what my "picture" was.  Removed immediately and 
replaced with a maroon square.
Bill
On 09/01/2012, at 11:07 AM, cm wrote:

> I would definitely class this ID photo business as an annoyance. The default 
> should be no photo unless one goes out of ones way to add a photo. Mind you I 
> reserve the withering insult of "Windows' behaviour" for Microsoft products 
> which seem to choose user inconvenience, unexpected behaviour, and loss of 
> data as the norm rather than the exception. :-)
> 
> C
> 
> On 09/01/2012, at 11:01 , Michael Hawkins wrote:
> 
>> Apple's "benevolence" in foisting this onto Mail users smacks of Windows' 
>> behaviour!
>> 
>> Michael.
>> 
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[Michael Hawkins]

In this occasion, Apple has treated all users as if they are pre-primary 
children who want cute pictures on everything they own. 

I'm way past Disney-land and not yet senile: I don't need a picture of a 
butterfly on my emails to remind me that I sent them!

Michael.


On 09/01/2012, at 11:07 AM, cm wrote:

> I would definitely class this ID photo business as an annoyance. The default 
> should be no photo unless one goes out of ones way to add a photo. Mind you I 
> reserve the withering insult of "Windows' behaviour" for Microsoft products 
> which seem to choose user inconvenience, unexpected behaviour, and loss of 
> data as the norm rather than the exception. :-)
> 
> C
> 
> On 09/01/2012, at 11:01 , Michael Hawkins wrote:
> 
>> Apple's "benevolence" in foisting this onto Mail users smacks of Windows' 
>> behaviour!
>> 
>> Michael.
>> 
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[cm]

I would definitely class this ID photo business as an annoyance. The default 
should be no photo unless one goes out of ones way to add a photo. Mind you I 
reserve the withering insult of "Windows' behaviour" for Microsoft products 
which seem to choose user inconvenience, unexpected behaviour, and loss of data 
as the norm rather than the exception. :-)

C

On 09/01/2012, at 11:01 , Michael Hawkins wrote:

> Apple's "benevolence" in foisting this onto Mail users smacks of Windows' 
> behaviour!
> 
> Michael.
> 
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[Michael Hawkins]

Apple's "benevolence" in foisting this onto Mail users smacks of Windows' 
behaviour!

Michael.

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[cm]

Hi Peter,

Address Book seems to insist that there be an image on your personal card, but 
there is a work-around to get rid of it as follows:

1) Got to any card other than your own personal card and temporarily mark it as 
your personal card
   Address Book Menu > Card > Make This My Card

2) Select your real personal card and delete the image
   Address Book Menu > Card > Clear Custom Image

3) Finally mark this same real personal card as your personal card
   Address Book Menu > Card > Make This My Card

Cheers,
Carlo

On 09/01/2012, at 9:06 , Curtis Peter wrote:

> Hi Ronni
> Even so. Is there a way of eliminating or changing it?
> Regards
> Peter
> On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up the 
>> Mac. 
>> It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
>> The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail does 
>> not see it.
>> 
>> It's purely a display thing within Mail for your benefit. 
>> So unless you particularly dislike seeing the picture yourself there's no 
>> real necessity to remove it.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 07/01/2012, at 8:35 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I use latest version of Mail for business purposes, OS Lion. A picture of a 
>>> butterfly appears on emails I send to Mac using contacts in my Address 
>>> Book. How can I stop that happening?
>>> 
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>>> 
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

All you need to do is change your account picture in System Preferences > 
Accounts > username > Picture, and Address Book will immediately start using 
the new picture on your personal card, as will Mail on your messages.

In Lion OS X 10.7
System Preferences > Users & Groups > Click on the picture you have currently.. 
it'll show a little dropdown menu..
Same as always (not new to lion), hover over your picture and then click on the 
grey arrow on the bottom right corner. 

You can either select one of the supplied photos or click "edit picture" and 
then "choose" to browse your computer.

If you don't like the selection of pictures offered in System 
Preferences>Accounts, and don’t want a photo, just create a plain white square 
and drag it to the picture area.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 09/01/2012, at 9:06 AM, Curtis Peter wrote:

> Hi Ronni
> Even so. Is there a way of eliminating or changing it?
> Regards
> Peter
> On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up the 
>> Mac. 
>> It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
>> The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail does 
>> not see it.
>> 
>> It's purely a display thing within Mail for your benefit. 
>> So unless you particularly dislike seeing the picture yourself there's no 
>> real necessity to remove it.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 07/01/2012, at 8:35 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I use latest version of Mail for business purposes, OS Lion. A picture of a 
>>> butterfly appears on emails I send to Mac using contacts in my Address 
>>> Book. How can I stop that happening?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Michael Hawkins.










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[Curtis Peter]

Hi Ronni
Even so. Is there a way of eliminating or changing it?
Regards
Peter
On 07/01/2012, at 8:50 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> 
> Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up the 
> Mac. 
> It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
> The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail does 
> not see it.
> 
> It's purely a display thing within Mail for your benefit. 
> So unless you particularly dislike seeing the picture yourself there's no 
> real necessity to remove it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 07/01/2012, at 8:35 PM, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
>> I use latest version of Mail for business purposes, OS Lion. A picture of a 
>> butterfly appears on emails I send to Mac using contacts in my Address Book. 
>> How can I stop that happening?
>> 
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Re: Mail

[Michael Hawkins]

Thanks Ronda. That's a relief. That picture must be a default picture in the 
vCard. As a barrister,I wouldn't want to portray myself as having a butterfly 
mentality!

Regards, 

Michael.

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> 
> Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up the 
> Mac. 
> It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
> The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail does 
> not see it.
> 
> It's purely a display thing within Mail for your benefit. 
> So unless you particularly dislike seeing the picture yourself there's no 
> real necessity to remove it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 07/01/2012, at 8:35 PM, Michael Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
>> I use latest version of Mail for business purposes, OS Lion. A picture of a 
>> butterfly appears on emails I send to Mac using contacts in my Address Book. 
>> How can I stop that happening?
>> 
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>> 
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Hi Michael,

Only you see that photo. Its your profile photo selected when you set up the 
Mac. 
It appears on your vCard in Address Book.
The photo is not attached to the mail and the person receiving the mail does 
not see it.

It's purely a display thing within Mail for your benefit. 
So unless you particularly dislike seeing the picture yourself there's no real 
necessity to remove it.

Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: mail clipping email

[gary dorn]

>Hi Gary,
>
>With attachments it is always best practice to:
>
>1.Always include file extensions (.doc, .pdf etc)
>
>2.Always use 'Windows-friendly' format (which omits resource forks, 
>if they exist) usually makes them friendlier for Macs too.
>To tell Mail to use Windows-friendly encoding for all new messages, 
>choose Edit > Attachments > Always Send Windows-Friendly Attachments 
>(the default setting).
>
>3. Always use the 'Attach' button and set Apple Mail to place 
>attachments at the bottom of the message
>  For all messages, with no message window open: Choose Edit > 
>Attachments > Always Insert Attachments at End of Message.
>
>Use Rich Text for Graphics.



OkiDoki Master.

I understand.
thanks

>
>Cheers,
>Ronni
>
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>2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>
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>OS X 10.7 Lion
>Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>
>
>On 13/10/2011, at 2:15 PM, gary dorn wrote:
>
>>  howdy all
>>
>>  lately and ( possibly previously) if I attached a pdf to an email -
>>  which I do regularly either as signed document, interesting paper or
>>  a drawing, if the pdf is inserted in the heart of the email, the
>>  remaining text gets clipped when the recipient goes to view it.
>>
>>  If the pdf is attached at the end of the email, seems to be okay ( I think?)
>>
>>  Is this a feature, a setting or something else
>>
>>  For instance , I sent an email to shire of Bridgetown on Monday, with
>>  a letter and 5 reference documents ( 998k all up-  on straw bale
>>  building) all received okay
>>
>>  I sent out 5 emails today with 1 pdf (52k)  with a web link to a
>>  downloadable 11 MB drawing file, and only 4 lines were received.
>>
>>  weird.
>>
>>  any advice appreciated
>>
>>  chow
>>  --
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>>  Permaculture architect
>>  gary.d...@ausconnect.net
>>  Australia
>>  Thooggoorrbu Trust
>>  integrating Permaculture, Organic Solar architecture,
>>  Straw Bale construction and solar & wind power systems
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Hi Gary,

With attachments it is always best practice to:

1.Always include file extensions (.doc, .pdf etc)

2.Always use ‘Windows-friendly’ format (which omits resource forks, if they 
exist) usually makes them friendlier for Macs too.
To tell Mail to use Windows-friendly encoding for all new messages, choose Edit 
> Attachments > Always Send Windows-Friendly Attachments (the default setting).

3. Always use the ‘Attach’ button and set Apple Mail to place attachments at 
the bottom of the message
 For all messages, with no message window open: Choose Edit > Attachments > 
Always Insert Attachments at End of Message.

Use Rich Text for Graphics.

Cheers,
Ronni

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2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

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On 13/10/2011, at 2:15 PM, gary dorn wrote:

> howdy all
> 
> lately and ( possibly previously) if I attached a pdf to an email - 
> which I do regularly either as signed document, interesting paper or 
> a drawing, if the pdf is inserted in the heart of the email, the 
> remaining text gets clipped when the recipient goes to view it.
> 
> If the pdf is attached at the end of the email, seems to be okay ( I think?)
> 
> Is this a feature, a setting or something else
> 
> For instance , I sent an email to shire of Bridgetown on Monday, with 
> a letter and 5 reference documents ( 998k all up-  on straw bale 
> building) all received okay
> 
> I sent out 5 emails today with 1 pdf (52k)  with a web link to a 
> downloadable 11 MB drawing file, and only 4 lines were received.
> 
> weird.
> 
> any advice appreciated
> 
> chow
> -- 
> Gary Dorn
> Permaculture architect
> gary.d...@ausconnect.net
> Australia
> Thooggoorrbu Trust
> integrating Permaculture, Organic Solar architecture,
> Straw Bale construction and solar & wind power systems
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Robert,

In Snow Leopard the User Library is NOT hidden, you don’t use Terminal to show 
Library in Snow Leopard! It is shown in Snow Leopard.
The User Library in Snow Leopard is located on your Macintosh HD > Users Folder 
> your Username > Library.

What operating system ARE you using Apple Mail in?  In Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 
OR Lion OS X 10.7?
You have me completely confused ….

I will be heading out to see a client soon, and then I will be away for the 
week-end. I might not be able to get back to you until Monday if you require 
anymore help.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 09/09/2011, at 11:35 AM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:

> Hi Ronni! 
>>  Sorry about the Lion oversight!  I now have a Library/mail folder in Lion 
>> but can't get it to work in Snow Leopard . I'm still getting duplicates   
>> BUT only  WAMUG messages!
> 
> Also, when I type in  chflags nohidden ~/Library/  in terminal I get  ch 
> flags nohidden ~/Library/and I definitely did not put a space between ch 
> & flags - it insisted on doing it by itself!  HO-HUM!
> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 8:59 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Robert,
>> 
>> Originally I was helping you fix your Apple Mail in OS 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) 
>> now you mention you have Lion on your computer ... So I responded with 
>> instructions how to show the User ~/Library (otherwise known as the Home 
>> Library) in Lion OS X 10.7.
>> 
>> You now have instructions how to find ~/Library - Mail Folder in both Lion & 
>> Snow Leopard.
>> 
>> But why do you even need to do this now? as you mentioned earlier that Hi 
>> Ronda!
>>> 
>>> I've done all that now and it all seems OK--
>> If the duplicates have gone and not appeared again, you don't need to do 
>> anything else.
>> There is no need to do anything in the User Library. 
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 08/09/2011, at 7:20 PM, Robert Miller-Eves  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronda!  Don't understand you're response.I've got Lion on my main (in 
>>> Computer ) Drive and run Snow Leopard from an External drive (Some "Non 
>>> Lion" compatible Apps. I need to use) In any case,I tend to favour Snow 
>>> Leopard.
>>> 
>>> On 08/09/2011, at 6:12 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Robert,
 
 You said you were using  Apple Mail in OS 10.6.8 iMac 27" 3.2 Ghz Intel 
 Core i3 ... not Lion OS X 10.7.
 I’m not a mind reader ;-)
 
 Show User ~/Library in OS X Lion
 Launch Terminal from Spotlight or Launchpad -> Utilities, and enter the
 following command to show or hide the directory:
 
 chflags nohidden ~/Library/
 
 The users Library folder will immediately become visible again. 
 OR, even easier:
 Just press and hold the “option/alt” key, and you can choose 
 “Go to Library” in the Go menu of the Finder.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
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> Hi Ronda!
> I cannot find a Library anywhere in HOME and I've searched thoroughly. 
> There is a Library Folder in Leopard but it contains nothing related to 
> Mail and.once again ,I've searched throroughly. I also checked through 
> the system Library - zilch!  
> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 2:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 08/09/2011, at 1:50 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronda!
>>> I've done all that now and it all seems OK--HOWEVER!
>>> Re :" If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to 
>>> ~/Library/Mail 
>> 
>> The Tilde ~ indicates your Home > Library > Mail Folder … “Envelope 
>> Index” should be under “DefaultCounts"
>>> 
>>> Darned if I can find the above in the Library Folder!
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 08/09/2011, at 1:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to 
 ~/Library/Mail and drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash. 
 When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “reimport” 
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[Robert Miller-Eves]

Hi Ronni! 
>  Sorry about the Lion oversight!  I now have a Library/mail folder in Lion 
> but can't get it to work in Snow Leopard . I'm still getting duplicates   BUT 
> only  WAMUG messages!

Also, when I type in  chflags nohidden ~/Library/  in terminal I get  ch flags 
nohidden ~/Library/and I definitely did not put a space between ch & flags 
- it insisted on doing it by itself!  HO-HUM!

On 08/09/2011, at 8:59 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Robert,
> 
> Originally I was helping you fix your Apple Mail in OS 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) 
> now you mention you have Lion on your computer ... So I responded with 
> instructions how to show the User ~/Library (otherwise known as the Home 
> Library) in Lion OS X 10.7.
> 
> You now have instructions how to find ~/Library - Mail Folder in both Lion & 
> Snow Leopard.
> 
> But why do you even need to do this now? as you mentioned earlier that Hi 
> Ronda!
>> 
>> I've done all that now and it all seems OK--
> If the duplicates have gone and not appeared again, you don't need to do 
> anything else.
> There is no need to do anything in the User Library. 
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 7:20 PM, Robert Miller-Eves  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronda!  Don't understand you're response.I've got Lion on my main (in 
>> Computer ) Drive and run Snow Leopard from an External drive (Some "Non 
>> Lion" compatible Apps. I need to use) In any case,I tend to favour Snow 
>> Leopard.
>> 
>> On 08/09/2011, at 6:12 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Robert,
>>> 
>>> You said you were using  Apple Mail in OS 10.6.8 iMac 27" 3.2 Ghz Intel 
>>> Core i3 ... not Lion OS X 10.7.
>>> I’m not a mind reader ;-)
>>> 
>>> Show User ~/Library in OS X Lion
>>> Launch Terminal from Spotlight or Launchpad -> Utilities, and enter the
>>> following command to show or hide the directory:
>>> 
>>> chflags nohidden ~/Library/
>>> 
>>> The users Library folder will immediately become visible again. 
>>> OR, even easier:
>>> Just press and hold the “option/alt” key, and you can choose 
>>> “Go to Library” in the Go menu of the Finder.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 08/09/2011, at 5:59 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Ronda!
 I cannot find a Library anywhere in HOME and I've searched thoroughly. 
 There is a Library Folder in Leopard but it contains nothing related to 
 Mail and.once again ,I've searched throroughly. I also checked through the 
 system Library - zilch!  
 
 On 08/09/2011, at 2:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 1:50 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronda!
>> I've done all that now and it all seems OK--HOWEVER!
>> Re :" If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to 
>> ~/Library/Mail 
> 
> The Tilde ~ indicates your Home > Library > Mail Folder … “Envelope 
> Index” should be under “DefaultCounts"
>> 
>> Darned if I can find the above in the Library Folder!
> 
> 
>> 
>> On 08/09/2011, at 1:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to 
>>> ~/Library/Mail and drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash. 
>>> When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “reimport” 
>>> all your messages.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
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> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
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[Rick Armstrong]

Thanks all, my problem is fixed now, I still don't why the triplicate  
emails but may be attributable to

1. Not enough useable Hard Disk space.
2. Using Mail as an archive for ALL emails AND attachments.
3. With all the triplicate emails - this filled up the little  
available space on hard drive and then Mail could do anything because  
it was overloaded.
4. SOLUTION: One WD 2Tb External Drive from OfficeWorks ($98) then I  
was able to follow through with the advice from the group easily.

Thanks, Rick.

On 08/09/2011, at 8:59 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Hi Robert,

Originally I was helping you fix your Apple Mail in OS 10.6.8 (Snow  
Leopard) now you mention you have Lion on your computer ... So I  
responded with instructions how to show the User ~/Library  
(otherwise known as the Home Library) in Lion OS X 10.7.


You now have instructions how to find ~/Library - Mail Folder in  
both Lion & Snow Leopard.


But why do you even need to do this now? as you mentioned earlier  
that Hi Ronda!

I've done all that now and it all seems OK--
If the duplicates have gone and not appeared again, you don't need  
to do anything else.

There is no need to do anything in the User Library.

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 08/09/2011, at 7:20 PM, Robert Miller-Eves  
 wrote:


Hi Ronda!  Don't understand you're response.I've got Lion on my  
main (in Computer ) Drive and run Snow Leopard from an External  
drive (Some "Non Lion" compatible Apps. I need to use) In any  
case,I tend to favour Snow Leopard.


On 08/09/2011, at 6:12 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Hi Robert,

You said you were using  Apple Mail in OS 10.6.8 iMac 27" 3.2 Ghz  
Intel Core i3 ... not Lion OS X 10.7.

I’m not a mind reader ;-)

Show User ~/Library in OS X Lion
Launch Terminal from Spotlight or Launchpad -> Utilities, and  
enter the

following command to show or hide the directory:

chflags nohidden ~/Library/

The users Library folder will immediately become visible again.
OR, even easier:
Just press and hold the “option/alt” key, and you can choose
“Go to Library” in the Go menu of the Finder.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 08/09/2011, at 5:59 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:


Hi Ronda!
I cannot find a Library anywhere in HOME and I've searched  
thoroughly. There is a Library Folder in Leopard but it contains  
nothing related to Mail and.once again ,I've searched  
throroughly. I also checked through the system Library - zilch!


On 08/09/2011, at 2:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:



On 08/09/2011, at 1:50 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:


Hi Ronda!
I've done all that now and it all seems OK--HOWEVER!
Re :" If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate  
to ~/Library/Mail


The Tilde ~ indicates your Home > Library > Mail Folder …  
“Envelope Index” should be under “DefaultCounts"


Darned if I can find the above in the Library Folder!





On 08/09/2011, at 1:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to ~/ 
Library/Mail and drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash.
When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to  
“reimport” all your messages.


Cheers,
Ronni

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[Ronda Brown]

Hi Robert,

Originally I was helping you fix your Apple Mail in OS 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) 
now you mention you have Lion on your computer ... So I responded with 
instructions how to show the User ~/Library (otherwise known as the Home 
Library) in Lion OS X 10.7.

You now have instructions how to find ~/Library - Mail Folder in both Lion & 
Snow Leopard.

But why do you even need to do this now? as you mentioned earlier that Hi Ronda!
> I've done all that now and it all seems OK--
If the duplicates have gone and not appeared again, you don't need to do 
anything else.
There is no need to do anything in the User Library.

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 08/09/2011, at 7:20 PM, Robert Miller-Eves  wrote:

> Hi Ronda!  Don't understand you're response.I've got Lion on my main (in 
> Computer ) Drive and run Snow Leopard from an External drive (Some "Non Lion" 
> compatible Apps. I need to use) In any case,I tend to favour Snow Leopard.
> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 6:12 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Robert,
>> 
>> You said you were using  Apple Mail in OS 10.6.8 iMac 27" 3.2 Ghz Intel Core 
>> i3 ... not Lion OS X 10.7.
>> I’m not a mind reader ;-)
>> 
>> Show User ~/Library in OS X Lion
>> Launch Terminal from Spotlight or Launchpad -> Utilities, and enter the
>> following command to show or hide the directory:
>> 
>> chflags nohidden ~/Library/
>> 
>> The users Library folder will immediately become visible again. 
>> OR, even easier:
>> Just press and hold the “option/alt” key, and you can choose 
>> “Go to Library” in the Go menu of the Finder.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 08/09/2011, at 5:59 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronda!
>>> I cannot find a Library anywhere in HOME and I've searched thoroughly. 
>>> There is a Library Folder in Leopard but it contains nothing related to 
>>> Mail and.once again ,I've searched throroughly. I also checked through the 
>>> system Library - zilch!  
>>> 
>>> On 08/09/2011, at 2:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 
 On 08/09/2011, at 1:50 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
 
> Hi Ronda!
> I've done all that now and it all seems OK--HOWEVER!
> Re :" If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to 
> ~/Library/Mail 
 
 The Tilde ~ indicates your Home > Library > Mail Folder … “Envelope Index” 
 should be under “DefaultCounts"
> 
> Darned if I can find the above in the Library Folder!
 
 
> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 1:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to ~/Library/Mail 
>> and drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash. 
>> When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “reimport” 
>> all your messages.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
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Hi Ronda!  Don't understand you're response.I've got Lion on my main (in 
Computer ) Drive and run Snow Leopard from an External drive (Some "Non Lion" 
compatible Apps. I need to use) In any case,I tend to favour Snow Leopard.

On 08/09/2011, at 6:12 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Robert,
> 
> You said you were using  Apple Mail in OS 10.6.8 iMac 27" 3.2 Ghz Intel Core 
> i3 ... not Lion OS X 10.7.
> I’m not a mind reader ;-)
> 
> Show User ~/Library in OS X Lion
> Launch Terminal from Spotlight or Launchpad -> Utilities, and enter the
> following command to show or hide the directory:
> 
> chflags nohidden ~/Library/
> 
> The users Library folder will immediately become visible again. 
> OR, even easier:
> Just press and hold the “option/alt” key, and you can choose 
> “Go to Library” in the Go menu of the Finder.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 5:59 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronda!
>> I cannot find a Library anywhere in HOME and I've searched thoroughly. There 
>> is a Library Folder in Leopard but it contains nothing related to Mail 
>> and.once again ,I've searched throroughly. I also checked through the system 
>> Library - zilch!  
>> 
>> On 08/09/2011, at 2:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 08/09/2011, at 1:50 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Ronda!
 I've done all that now and it all seems OK--HOWEVER!
 Re :" If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to 
 ~/Library/Mail 
>>> 
>>> The Tilde ~ indicates your Home > Library > Mail Folder … “Envelope Index” 
>>> should be under “DefaultCounts"
 
 Darned if I can find the above in the Library Folder!
>>> 
>>> 
 
 On 08/09/2011, at 1:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to ~/Library/Mail 
> and drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash. 
> When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “reimport” 
> all your messages.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
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>>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
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Hi Robert,

You said you were using  Apple Mail in OS 10.6.8 iMac 27" 3.2 Ghz Intel Core i3 
... not Lion OS X 10.7.
I’m not a mind reader ;-)

Show User ~/Library in OS X Lion
Launch Terminal from Spotlight or Launchpad -> Utilities, and enter the
following command to show or hide the directory:

chflags nohidden ~/Library/

The users Library folder will immediately become visible again. 
OR, even easier:
Just press and hold the “option/alt” key, and you can choose 
“Go to Library” in the Go menu of the Finder.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 08/09/2011, at 5:59 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:

> Hi Ronda!
> I cannot find a Library anywhere in HOME and I've searched thoroughly. There 
> is a Library Folder in Leopard but it contains nothing related to Mail 
> and.once again ,I've searched throroughly. I also checked through the system 
> Library - zilch!  
> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 2:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 08/09/2011, at 1:50 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronda!
>>> I've done all that now and it all seems OK--HOWEVER!
>>> Re :" If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to 
>>> ~/Library/Mail 
>> 
>> The Tilde ~ indicates your Home > Library > Mail Folder … “Envelope Index” 
>> should be under “DefaultCounts"
>>> 
>>> Darned if I can find the above in the Library Folder!
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 08/09/2011, at 1:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to ~/Library/Mail 
 and drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash. 
 When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “reimport” all 
 your messages.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>> 
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Hi Ronda!
I cannot find a Library anywhere in HOME and I've searched thoroughly. There is 
a Library Folder in Leopard but it contains nothing related to Mail and.once 
again ,I've searched throroughly. I also checked through the system Library - 
zilch!  

On 08/09/2011, at 2:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 1:50 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronda!
>> I've done all that now and it all seems OK--HOWEVER!
>> Re :" If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to 
>> ~/Library/Mail 
> 
> The Tilde ~ indicates your Home > Library > Mail Folder … “Envelope Index” 
> should be under “DefaultCounts"
>> 
>> Darned if I can find the above in the Library Folder!
> 
> 
>> 
>> On 08/09/2011, at 1:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to ~/Library/Mail 
>>> and drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash. 
>>> When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “reimport” all 
>>> your messages.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
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On 08/09/2011, at 4:05 PM, Tim Law wrote:

> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 10:39 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> What I mentioned above should remove all messages from the Mail Server, why 
>> would Rick need to login to webmail also?
>> 
>> Rick,  also check In Mail, open  ‘Get Account Info' window by choosing it 
>> from the Action menu (gear icon) located below the Mailbox list in the main 
>> Mail window. 
>> Do the messages that Mail keeps downloading repeatedly appear there?
>> If they are, select them and choose ‘Remove From Server’.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
> 
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> 
> I read in Rick's posting that he was having problems even opening Mail before 
> it crashed. 
> 
> 3. I have trashed the ‘Envelope Index’ but Mail crashes when I launch 
> Mail, (looks like it is trying to import and rebuild about 12,000 
> messages before it quits).
> 
> Hence my suggestion. 

I understand Tim, I wasn’t haven’t a go at you, I just wondered why
My interpretation of Rick’s
> 4. As nothing has happened I have put the ‘Envelope Index’ back into Mail 
> (Users>Library>Mail)
> 5. I have done the "rebuild" and synchronise" account.
> 6. I have to send this from my iBook because I can't receive or send emails 
> now.

that after 4 & 5 Rick could now launch Mail, but not able to send or receive. 
So I suggested then that he go to Mail > File > Preferences > Select the 
Account, select the Advanced Tap, check "Remove copy from server after 
retrieving a message:", and select “Remove Now”.
So there would be nothing on the Server, then he could manually delete the 
duplicates and hopefully the problem would be solved ;-)

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On 08/09/2011, at 10:39 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> What I mentioned above should remove all messages from the Mail Server, why 
> would Rick need to login to webmail also?
> 
> Rick,  also check In Mail, open  ‘Get Account Info' window by choosing it 
> from the Action menu (gear icon) located below the Mailbox list in the main 
> Mail window. 
> Do the messages that Mail keeps downloading repeatedly appear there?
> If they are, select them and choose ‘Remove From Server’.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni


Hi Ronni,

I read in Rick's posting that he was having problems even opening Mail before 
it crashed. 

 3. I have trashed the ‘Envelope Index’ but Mail crashes when I launch 
 Mail, (looks like it is trying to import and rebuild about 12,000 messages 
 before it quits).

Hence my suggestion. 

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On 08/09/2011, at 1:50 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:

> Hi Ronda!
> I've done all that now and it all seems OK--HOWEVER!
> Re :" If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to 
> ~/Library/Mail 

The Tilde ~ indicates your Home > Library > Mail Folder … “Envelope Index” 
should be under “DefaultCounts"
> 
> Darned if I can find the above in the Library Folder!


> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 1:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to ~/Library/Mail and 
>> drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash. 
>> When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “reimport” all 
>> your messages.

Cheers,
Ronni

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Hi Ronda!
I've done all that now and it all seems OK--HOWEVER!
Re :" If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to ~/Library/Mail 

Darned if I can find the above in the Library Folder!

On 08/09/2011, at 1:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to ~/Library/Mail and 
> drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash. 
> When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “reimport” all 
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On 08/09/2011, at 12:44 PM, Robert Miller-Eves wrote:

> I've been experiencing a similar problem since beginning of September! 
> Some-not all- messages are duplicating,in particular,Wamug stuff.I clear my 
> Server of messages every day and maintain a low level of messages in my Mail 
> App. OS 10.6.8 iMac 27" 3.2 Ghz Intel Core i3  Curious!

Hi Robert,

What have you tried to correct the problem of duplicate emails?
Have you checked that the messages ARE being cleared from the Server?
Check In Mail, open  ‘Get Account Info' window by choosing it from the Action 
menu (gear icon) located below the Mailbox list in the main Mail window. 
Do the messages that Mail keeps downloading repeatedly appear there?
If they are, select them and choose ‘Remove From Server’.

If you have Rules set to move WAMUG messages into a Mailbox named WAMUG?
If so, have you tried selecting the WAMUG Mailbox, then go to Mailbox (Menu) > 
Rebuild?

If that doesn’t solve the problem, quit Mail, navigate to ~/Library/Mail and 
drag the file Envelope Index to the Trash. 
When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “reimport” all your 
messages.
Let it do so—it’s recreating your envelope index from scratch, but don’t worry, 
you won’t lose any data, such as labels or message status and when it finishes, 
your mailboxes should behave correctly.


Cheers,
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I've been experiencing a similar problem since beginning of September! Some-not 
all- messages are duplicating,in particular,Wamug stuff.I clear my Server of 
messages every day and maintain a low level of messages in my Mail App. OS 
10.6.8 iMac 27" 3.2 Ghz Intel Core i3  Curious!

On 08/09/2011, at 8:50 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 4:52 AM, Rick Armstrong wrote:
> 
>> 
>> For some reason Mail has triplicates of recent received messages from 1 Sept 
>> to 8 Sept.
>> 1. Mail has now 931 unread triplicate messages.
>> 2. I cannot delete them.
>> 3. I have trashed the ‘Envelope Index’ but Mail crashes when I launch Mail, 
>> (looks like it is trying to import and rebuild about 12,000 messages before 
>> it quits).
>> 4. As nothing has happened I have put the ‘Envelope Index’ back into Mail 
>> (Users>Library>Mail)
>> 5. I have done the "rebuild" and synchronise" account.
>> 6. I have to send this from my iBook because I can't receive or send emails 
>> now.
>> The hard drive is getting full and I have tried to clear some space but 
>> perhaps it is not enough to enable Mail to rebuild.
>> (My quick solution is to go to Officeworks this morning and get an external 
>> to clear a lot more space on the hard drive OR if the group can suggest 
>> somewhere else to get an external quickly, I have to do this anyway because 
>> the drive is getting towards capacity)
>> Thanks, Rick
>> Tiger 10.4.11
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> Is this a POP Account and are you leaving Mail on The Server?
> If it is and you are leaving mail on the server, go to Mail > File > 
> Preferences > Select the Account, select the Advanced Tap, check "Remove copy 
> from server after retrieving a message:", and select “Remove Now”.
> That will leave nothing on the mail server if you are comfortable with that. 
> Then, manually delete any additional messages that may be taking up extra 
> space.
> 
> You can then remove as much as possible from your Hard Drive until you have 
> enough Free Space on it.
> Sounds like your Mail might require some clearing out and your Hard Drive.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
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On 08/09/2011, at 10:15 AM, Tim Law wrote:

> 
> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 8:50 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 08/09/2011, at 4:52 AM, Rick Armstrong wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> For some reason Mail has triplicates of recent received messages from 1 
>>> Sept to 8 Sept.
>>> 1. Mail has now 931 unread triplicate messages.
>>> 2. I cannot delete them.
>>> 3. I have trashed the ‘Envelope Index’ but Mail crashes when I launch Mail, 
>>> (looks like it is trying to import and rebuild about 12,000 messages before 
>>> it quits).
>>> 4. As nothing has happened I have put the ‘Envelope Index’ back into Mail 
>>> (Users>Library>Mail)
>>> 5. I have done the "rebuild" and synchronise" account.
>>> 6. I have to send this from my iBook because I can't receive or send emails 
>>> now.
>>> The hard drive is getting full and I have tried to clear some space but 
>>> perhaps it is not enough to enable Mail to rebuild.
>>> (My quick solution is to go to Officeworks this morning and get an external 
>>> to clear a lot more space on the hard drive OR if the group can suggest 
>>> somewhere else to get an external quickly, I have to do this anyway because 
>>> the drive is getting towards capacity)
>>> Thanks, Rick
>>> Tiger 10.4.11
>> 
>> Hi Rick,
>> 
>> Is this a POP Account and are you leaving Mail on The Server?
>> If it is and you are leaving mail on the server, go to Mail > File > 
>> Preferences > Select the Account, select the Advanced Tap, check "Remove 
>> copy from server after retrieving a message:", and select “Remove Now”.
>> That will leave nothing on the mail server if you are comfortable with that. 
>> Then, manually delete any additional messages that may be taking up extra 
>> space.
>> 
>> You can then remove as much as possible from your Hard Drive until you have 
>> enough Free Space on it.
>> Sounds like your Mail might require some clearing out and your Hard Drive.
>> 
> 
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> If you still cannot open Mail for it crashing, you may be able to remove all 
> the mail on the server by logging in via webmail and clearing everything 
> there. At least then poor Mail is not trying to download 931 messages again 
> immediately on opening. 
> 
> Tim


Hi Tim,

What I mentioned above should remove all messages from the Mail Server, why 
would Rick need to login to webmail also?

Rick,  also check In Mail, open  ‘Get Account Info' window by choosing it from 
the Action menu (gear icon) located below the Mailbox list in the main Mail 
window. 
Do the messages that Mail keeps downloading repeatedly appear there?
If they are, select them and choose ‘Remove From Server’.

Cheers,
Ronni

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On 08/09/2011, at 8:50 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> 
> On 08/09/2011, at 4:52 AM, Rick Armstrong wrote:
> 
>> 
>> For some reason Mail has triplicates of recent received messages from 1 Sept 
>> to 8 Sept.
>> 1. Mail has now 931 unread triplicate messages.
>> 2. I cannot delete them.
>> 3. I have trashed the ‘Envelope Index’ but Mail crashes when I launch Mail, 
>> (looks like it is trying to import and rebuild about 12,000 messages before 
>> it quits).
>> 4. As nothing has happened I have put the ‘Envelope Index’ back into Mail 
>> (Users>Library>Mail)
>> 5. I have done the "rebuild" and synchronise" account.
>> 6. I have to send this from my iBook because I can't receive or send emails 
>> now.
>> The hard drive is getting full and I have tried to clear some space but 
>> perhaps it is not enough to enable Mail to rebuild.
>> (My quick solution is to go to Officeworks this morning and get an external 
>> to clear a lot more space on the hard drive OR if the group can suggest 
>> somewhere else to get an external quickly, I have to do this anyway because 
>> the drive is getting towards capacity)
>> Thanks, Rick
>> Tiger 10.4.11
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> Is this a POP Account and are you leaving Mail on The Server?
> If it is and you are leaving mail on the server, go to Mail > File > 
> Preferences > Select the Account, select the Advanced Tap, check "Remove copy 
> from server after retrieving a message:", and select “Remove Now”.
> That will leave nothing on the mail server if you are comfortable with that. 
> Then, manually delete any additional messages that may be taking up extra 
> space.
> 
> You can then remove as much as possible from your Hard Drive until you have 
> enough Free Space on it.
> Sounds like your Mail might require some clearing out and your Hard Drive.
> 


Hi Rick,

If you still cannot open Mail for it crashing, you may be able to remove all 
the mail on the server by logging in via webmail and clearing everything there. 
At least then poor Mail is not trying to download 931 messages again 
immediately on opening. 

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Re: Mail Problem - Huge

[Jon Davison]

Hi Rick. This is just an idea to show you what files may be taking up  
the space; If you go 'USERS - HOME - LIBRARY - MAIL - YOUR MAIL  
ACCOUNT - INBOX.mbox - MESSAGES. Then view in LIST VIEW, then click  
SIZE you can see all your attachments from the largest to the smallest  
and delete if needed. Do the same with SENT messages, plus other  
accounts you may have.


Hope this helps
Jon



On 08/09/2011, at 8:50 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:



On 08/09/2011, at 4:52 AM, Rick Armstrong wrote:



For some reason Mail has triplicates of recent received messages  
from 1 Sept to 8 Sept.

1. Mail has now 931 unread triplicate messages.
2. I cannot delete them.
3. I have trashed the ‘Envelope Index’ but Mail crashes when I  
launch Mail, (looks like it is trying to import and rebuild about  
12,000 messages before it quits).
4. As nothing has happened I have put the ‘Envelope Index’ back  
into Mail (Users>Library>Mail)

5. I have done the "rebuild" and synchronise" account.
6. I have to send this from my iBook because I can't receive or  
send emails now.
The hard drive is getting full and I have tried to clear some space  
but perhaps it is not enough to enable Mail to rebuild.
(My quick solution is to go to Officeworks this morning and get an  
external to clear a lot more space on the hard drive OR if the  
group can suggest somewhere else to get an external quickly, I have  
to do this anyway because the drive is getting towards capacity)

Thanks, Rick
Tiger 10.4.11


Hi Rick,

Is this a POP Account and are you leaving Mail on The Server?
If it is and you are leaving mail on the server, go to Mail > File >  
Preferences > Select the Account, select the Advanced Tap, check  
"Remove copy from server after retrieving a message:", and select  
“Remove Now”.
That will leave nothing on the mail server if you are comfortable  
with that.
Then, manually delete any additional messages that may be taking up  
extra space.


You can then remove as much as possible from your Hard Drive until  
you have enough Free Space on it.
Sounds like your Mail might require some clearing out and your Hard  
Drive.



Cheers,
Ronni

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2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

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Re: Mail Problem - Huge

[Ronda Brown]

On 08/09/2011, at 4:52 AM, Rick Armstrong wrote:

> 
> For some reason Mail has triplicates of recent received messages from 1 Sept 
> to 8 Sept.
> 1. Mail has now 931 unread triplicate messages.
> 2. I cannot delete them.
> 3. I have trashed the ‘Envelope Index’ but Mail crashes when I launch Mail, 
> (looks like it is trying to import and rebuild about 12,000 messages before 
> it quits).
> 4. As nothing has happened I have put the ‘Envelope Index’ back into Mail 
> (Users>Library>Mail)
> 5. I have done the "rebuild" and synchronise" account.
> 6. I have to send this from my iBook because I can't receive or send emails 
> now.
> The hard drive is getting full and I have tried to clear some space but 
> perhaps it is not enough to enable Mail to rebuild.
> (My quick solution is to go to Officeworks this morning and get an external 
> to clear a lot more space on the hard drive OR if the group can suggest 
> somewhere else to get an external quickly, I have to do this anyway because 
> the drive is getting towards capacity)
> Thanks, Rick
> Tiger 10.4.11

Hi Rick,

Is this a POP Account and are you leaving Mail on The Server?
If it is and you are leaving mail on the server, go to Mail > File > 
Preferences > Select the Account, select the Advanced Tap, check "Remove copy 
from server after retrieving a message:", and select “Remove Now”.
That will leave nothing on the mail server if you are comfortable with that. 
Then, manually delete any additional messages that may be taking up extra space.

You can then remove as much as possible from your Hard Drive until you have 
enough Free Space on it.
Sounds like your Mail might require some clearing out and your Hard Drive.


Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard 
OS X 10.7 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)


















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