Re: iTunes

[Julie Bedford]

I would mention that since upgrading to Catalina and with itunes being removed, 
it is extremely difficult to use this with the ipod Classic.  I have worked out 
a way to do it,
but it is rather fiddly.  I did manage to install itunes on Catalina, but 
unfortunately still have not worked out a way to make it work successfully with 
ipod Classic.

Jewels


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> Hi everyone
> I removed iTunes from my computer some time ago, but find that perhaps I was 
> too hasty. Can I download iTunes from Apple? if so from where?
> Kind regards
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Re: iTunes

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Peter.

I am pretty sure iTunes was replaced with Apple Music and Apple TV.

> On 20 Aug 2020, at 10:27 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone
> I removed iTunes from my computer some time ago, but find that perhaps I was 
> too hasty. Can I download iTunes from Apple? if so from where?
> Kind regards
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Re: Finding attachments.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Hi Neil

Thank you for your reply, I had an e-mail from Ronnie hidden away in my Keepers 
file, found the original e-mail, and followed Ronnie’ advice, now back on 
track, thank you I’ll also save your reply and your other tips as they may just 
come in handy sometime.

Thank you Neil

Kind Regards

Tony

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> On 7 Aug 2020, at 7:53 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony,
>  
> Couple of things to try:
> If disk is recognised but not “mounted” it will show up in disk utility – 
> fire up disk utility, look for the disk, if it is showing but “greyed out” 
> select it and hit the “mount” button.
> If the drive is not even showing, I would always first try just unplugging 
> and re-plugging the lead (FW or USB)
>  
> I nearly always find this sorts things out.
>  
>  
>  
> If not, I believe there are some tried methods involving unplugging both the 
> leads and the drives and then using a particular order for re-connecting – I 
> can’t say that I’ve ever had the situation where this is required but I 
> believe it helps in some situations (google it).
>  
> Still no luck? – try running “system report” – on my El Capitan, I go to 
> “about this mac” (top of the apple menu) and then click the “System Report” 
> button then look under “hardware” in the sidebar and select the appropriate 
> item (firewire or USB) - then you should be able to see what is connected. On 
> later OSX versions the method for running a “System Report” may have changed 
> – but that should be easy to check.
>  
> If you still cannot see it you may have a hardware problem – you can 
> generally narrow this down, through a process of elimination, to the actual 
> external drive, or the connecting cable, or possibly the port on the mac.
>  
> That should give you plenty to work through!
>  
> Let us know how you get on.
>  
>  
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> Neil
>  
>  
>  
> From:  <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au>> on behalf of "Anthony 
> (Tony) Francis" mailto:antne...@mac.com>>
> Reply-To: WAMUG mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Date: Friday, 07 August 2020 at 17:47
> To: WAMUG mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Subject: Re: Finding attachments.
>  
> Hi Steven
>  
> Sorry, I have two External Hard Drives that I have at different times  
> connected to my Computer, both turned  “On” but don’t show up on the Desktop, 
> I have a third that as soon as it is connected into the Computer it is 
> recognised almost immediately.
>  
> I had this problem once before and Ronnie gave me instructions on how to 
> check what is actually connected to the computer but not actually showing on 
> the Desk Top, I have forgotten how to do this. I thought it was in Utilities, 
> but no luck.
>  
> Thanks Steven
>  
> Tony
> 
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape > <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Tony.
>> I am not sure what you mean.
>> Attachments are files that are attached to an email ?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 2:18 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis >> <mailto:antne...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Good Afternoon Members
>>>  
>>> I have forgotten how to find attachments that are connected to my iMac, but 
>>> not showing on the desktop, Ronnie helped me once but I have long since 
>>> forgotten. Any help would be appreciated, the grey matter ain’t what is was.
>>>  
>>> Thanks Guy’s
>>>  
>>> Kind Regards
>>>  
>>> Tony
>>>  
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Re: Finding attachments.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Hi Stephen

Have rechecked everything and the advice from Ronnie was correct, I found the 
Hard Drives showing in Disk Utility, so have them now showing on my desk top.

Thanks Stephen

Kind Regards

Tony
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> On 7 Aug 2020, at 5:52 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> OK Tony … get you now.
> But I am not sure of the solution to that.
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 5:46 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Steven
>> 
>> Sorry, I have two External Hard Drives that I have at different times  
>> connected to my Computer, both turned  “On” but don’t show up on the 
>> Desktop, I have a third that as soon as it is connected into the Computer it 
>> is recognised almost immediately.
>> 
>> I had this problem once before and Ronnie gave me instructions on how to 
>> check what is actually connected to the computer but not actually showing on 
>> the Desk Top, I have forgotten how to do this. I thought it was in 
>> Utilities, but no luck.
>> 
>> Thanks Steven
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tony.
>>> I am not sure what you mean.
>>> Attachments are files that are attached to an email ?
>>> 
 On 7 Aug 2020, at 2:18 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis >>> > wrote:
 
 Good Afternoon Members
 
 I have forgotten how to find attachments that are connected to my iMac, 
 but not showing on the desktop, Ronnie helped me once but I have long 
 since forgotten. Any help would be appreciated, the grey matter ain’t what 
 is was.
 
 Thanks Guy’s
 
 Kind Regards
 
 Tony
 
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Re: Finding attachments.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Hi Steven

Sorry, I have two External Hard Drives that I have at different times  
connected to my Computer, both turned  “On” but don’t show up on the Desktop, I 
have a third that as soon as it is connected into the Computer it is recognised 
almost immediately.

I had this problem once before and Ronnie gave me instructions on how to check 
what is actually connected to the computer but not actually showing on the Desk 
Top, I have forgotten how to do this. I thought it was in Utilities, but no 
luck.

Thanks Steven

Tony

> On 7 Aug 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony.
> I am not sure what you mean.
> Attachments are files that are attached to an email ?
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 2:18 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis > > wrote:
>> 
>> Good Afternoon Members
>> 
>> I have forgotten how to find attachments that are connected to my iMac, but 
>> not showing on the desktop, Ronnie helped me once but I have long since 
>> forgotten. Any help would be appreciated, the grey matter ain’t what is was.
>> 
>> Thanks Guy’s
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
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Re: SSD external harddrives

[Adam Lippiatt]

I would be interested too. 

I use HDD for backup purposes ($ spent on reliability not speed) but was 
considering for a while some of these new SSDs to put my primary data on 
instead of relying on the spinning drive portion of the fusion drive in my late 
2013 iMac, but judged it not worth it as it only has thunderbolt 1 ports which 
don’t give you access to the little non powered thunderbolt 3 cases that are 
quite popular and speedy now. 

I hear that quality SSDs last long enough these days not to matter.  (SSDs do 
lose storage capacity over time while spinning drives do not. However the 
degradation is slow and doesn’t seem to matter for general use so far as I 
know.)

As you have everything backed up, a failed SSD shouldn’t be much of a bother. 

> On 7 Aug 2020, at 3:53 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
> No they were normal drives - sorry overlooked the SSD in your email.
> Would be interested to learn if you buy, how much etc.
> 
> Jewels
> 
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:25 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jewels
>> Were they SSD or normal drives?
>> Peter
>> 
 On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:11 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter
>>> 
>>> I have just had 2 external hard drives fail me - about 2 years old.  
>>> Luckily I managed to transfer the files to another
>>> external one.  Both were Toshiba.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Jewels
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:43 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
 
 Hi everyone
 Are the external ssd hard drives more reliable than the normal external 
 hard drives?
 Kind regards
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Re: Finding attachments.

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Tony,

 

Couple of things to try:
If disk is recognised but not “mounted” it will show up in disk utility – fire 
up disk utility, look for the disk, if it is showing but “greyed out” select it 
and hit the “mount” button.
If the drive is not even showing, I would always first try just unplugging and 
re-plugging the lead (FW or USB)
 

I nearly always find this sorts things out.

 

 

 

If not, I believe there are some tried methods involving unplugging both the 
leads and the drives and then using a particular order for re-connecting – I 
can’t say that I’ve ever had the situation where this is required but I believe 
it helps in some situations (google it).

 

Still no luck? – try running “system report” – on my El Capitan, I go to “about 
this mac” (top of the apple menu) and then click the “System Report” button 
then look under “hardware” in the sidebar and select the appropriate item 
(firewire or USB) - then you should be able to see what is connected. On later 
OSX versions the method for running a “System Report” may have changed – but 
that should be easy to check.

 

If you still cannot see it you may have a hardware problem – you can generally 
narrow this down, through a process of elimination, to the actual external 
drive, or the connecting cable, or possibly the port on the mac.

 

That should give you plenty to work through!

 

Let us know how you get on.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

 

 

 

From:  on behalf of "Anthony 
(Tony) Francis" 
Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Friday, 07 August 2020 at 17:47
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: Finding attachments.

 

Hi Steven

 

Sorry, I have two External Hard Drives that I have at different times  
connected to my Computer, both turned  “On” but don’t show up on the Desktop, I 
have a third that as soon as it is connected into the Computer it is recognised 
almost immediately.

 

I had this problem once before and Ronnie gave me instructions on how to check 
what is actually connected to the computer but not actually showing on the Desk 
Top, I have forgotten how to do this. I thought it was in Utilities, but no 
luck.

 

Thanks Steven

 

Tony



On 7 Aug 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:

 

Hi Tony.

I am not sure what you mean.

Attachments are files that are attached to an email ?



On 7 Aug 2020, at 2:18 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:

 

Good Afternoon Members

 

I have forgotten how to find attachments that are connected to my iMac, but not 
showing on the desktop, Ronnie helped me once but I have long since forgotten. 
Any help would be appreciated, the grey matter ain’t what is was.

 

Thanks Guy’s

 

Kind Regards

 

Tony

 

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Re: Finding attachments.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Good Afternoon Members

I have forgotten how to find attachments that are connected to my iMac, but not 
showing on the desktop, Ronnie helped me once but I have long since forgotten. 
Any help would be appreciated, the grey matter ain’t what is was.

Thanks Guy’s

Kind Regards

Tony

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Re: Finding attachments.

[Stephen Chape]

OK Tony … get you now.
But I am not sure of the solution to that.

> On 7 Aug 2020, at 5:46 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Steven
> 
> Sorry, I have two External Hard Drives that I have at different times  
> connected to my Computer, both turned  “On” but don’t show up on the Desktop, 
> I have a third that as soon as it is connected into the Computer it is 
> recognised almost immediately.
> 
> I had this problem once before and Ronnie gave me instructions on how to 
> check what is actually connected to the computer but not actually showing on 
> the Desk Top, I have forgotten how to do this. I thought it was in Utilities, 
> but no luck.
> 
> Thanks Steven
> 
> Tony
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tony.
>> I am not sure what you mean.
>> Attachments are files that are attached to an email ?
>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 2:18 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good Afternoon Members
>>> 
>>> I have forgotten how to find attachments that are connected to my iMac, but 
>>> not showing on the desktop, Ronnie helped me once but I have long since 
>>> forgotten. Any help would be appreciated, the grey matter ain’t what is was.
>>> 
>>> Thanks Guy’s
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards
>>> 
>>> Tony
>>> 
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Re: SSD external harddrives

[Peter Curtis]

Hi
Thanks for all the info, much appreciated.
I’ll look up Officeworks Stephen.
Kind regards
Peter

> On 7 Aug 2020, at 5:42 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter.
> I bought a Samsung SSD from Officeworks for quite a reasonable price about 6 
> months ago.
> I use it for my monthly “safe” backup.
> What used to take a long time with a Hard Drive (I use Superduper), now takes 
> 7 minutes and then back in my safe.
> Might be worth checking Officworks website.
> 
> I think I paid $134.00 for a 500GB.
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 4:09 pm, Adam Lippiatt  wrote:
>> 
>> I would be interested too. 
>> 
>> I use HDD for backup purposes ($ spent on reliability not speed) but was 
>> considering for a while some of these new SSDs to put my primary data on 
>> instead of relying on the spinning drive portion of the fusion drive in my 
>> late 2013 iMac, but judged it not worth it as it only has thunderbolt 1 
>> ports which don’t give you access to the little non powered thunderbolt 3 
>> cases that are quite popular and speedy now. 
>> 
>> I hear that quality SSDs last long enough these days not to matter.  (SSDs 
>> do lose storage capacity over time while spinning drives do not. However the 
>> degradation is slow and doesn’t seem to matter for general use so far as I 
>> know.)
>> 
>> As you have everything backed up, a failed SSD shouldn’t be much of a 
>> bother. 
>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 3:53 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No they were normal drives - sorry overlooked the SSD in your email.
>>> Would be interested to learn if you buy, how much etc.
>>> 
>>> Jewels
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:25 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
 
 Hi Jewels
 Were they SSD or normal drives?
 Peter
 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:11 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter
> 
> I have just had 2 external hard drives fail me - about 2 years old.  
> Luckily I managed to transfer the files to another
> external one.  Both were Toshiba.
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> Cheers
> Jewels
> 
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:43 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone
>> Are the external ssd hard drives more reliable than the normal external 
>> hard drives?
>> Kind regards
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[Stephen Chape]

Hi Peter.
I bought a Samsung SSD from Officeworks for quite a reasonable price about 6 
months ago.
I use it for my monthly “safe” backup.
What used to take a long time with a Hard Drive (I use Superduper), now takes 7 
minutes and then back in my safe.
Might be worth checking Officworks website.

I think I paid $134.00 for a 500GB.

> On 7 Aug 2020, at 4:09 pm, Adam Lippiatt  wrote:
> 
> I would be interested too. 
> 
> I use HDD for backup purposes ($ spent on reliability not speed) but was 
> considering for a while some of these new SSDs to put my primary data on 
> instead of relying on the spinning drive portion of the fusion drive in my 
> late 2013 iMac, but judged it not worth it as it only has thunderbolt 1 ports 
> which don’t give you access to the little non powered thunderbolt 3 cases 
> that are quite popular and speedy now. 
> 
> I hear that quality SSDs last long enough these days not to matter.  (SSDs do 
> lose storage capacity over time while spinning drives do not. However the 
> degradation is slow and doesn’t seem to matter for general use so far as I 
> know.)
> 
> As you have everything backed up, a failed SSD shouldn’t be much of a bother. 
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 3:53 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
>> 
>> No they were normal drives - sorry overlooked the SSD in your email.
>> Would be interested to learn if you buy, how much etc.
>> 
>> Jewels
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:25 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jewels
>>> Were they SSD or normal drives?
>>> Peter
>>> 
> On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:11 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
 
 Hi Peter
 
 I have just had 2 external hard drives fail me - about 2 years old.  
 Luckily I managed to transfer the files to another
 external one.  Both were Toshiba.
 
 Hope that helps
 
 Cheers
 Jewels
 
 
> On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:43 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
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> Hi everyone
> Are the external ssd hard drives more reliable than the normal external 
> hard drives?
> Kind regards
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[Stephen Chape]

Hi Tony.
I am not sure what you mean.
Attachments are files that are attached to an email ?

> On 7 Aug 2020, at 2:18 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
> 
> Good Afternoon Members
> 
> I have forgotten how to find attachments that are connected to my iMac, but 
> not showing on the desktop, Ronnie helped me once but I have long since 
> forgotten. Any help would be appreciated, the grey matter ain’t what is was.
> 
> Thanks Guy’s
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
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[Julie Bedford]

No they were normal drives - sorry overlooked the SSD in your email.
Would be interested to learn if you buy, how much etc.

Jewels


> On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:25 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jewels
> Were they SSD or normal drives?
> Peter
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:11 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter
>> 
>> I have just had 2 external hard drives fail me - about 2 years old.  Luckily 
>> I managed to transfer the files to another
>> external one.  Both were Toshiba.
>> 
>> Hope that helps
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Jewels
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:43 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
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>>> Hi everyone
>>> Are the external ssd hard drives more reliable than the normal external 
>>> hard drives?
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
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Re: SSD external harddrives

[Julie Bedford]

Thanks Pete, sorry I misread Peter’s email.  They were HDDs.  I may myself look 
at the SSD external drive, but always thought they were hugely more expensive.  
Always have an SDD on my Mac though.

Thanks

Jewels


> On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:28 pm, Peter  wrote:
> 
> Hi Julie that is lucky you were able to transfer data before anything got 
> lost. Peter’s original question however relates to whether external SSD 
> drives are more reliable and it wasn’t clear from your email if your drives 
> were HDD (mechanical spinning disc drives) or SSD (solid state drives). 
> 
> My experience has been to trust SSD devices more than HDD drive devices. It 
> stands to reason that something mechanical and moving in principle is going 
> to fail at some point where solid state devices have potentially an 
> indefinite life - though there may be reasons that can’t be. SSD is likely to 
> be more robust against accidental dropping too where an HDD not so likely. 
> SSD drives are likely quicker too though can be a function of USB connection 
> generation (2.0 or 3.0).
> 
> I would lean to SSD Peter if I was buying now but I have quite a number of 
> HDD external drives and they have been reliable for many years for me. Always 
> a good policy to have backup of all data too - including your externally 
> attached drives  - to Time Machine so you can sleep at night about the 
> potential loss of data not being disastrous. The price of HDD external drives 
> is so very cheap now too where SSD a bit dearer for the same capacity. Always 
> go a good named brand.
> 
> Pete.
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:11 pm, Julie Bedford > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter
>> 
>> I have just had 2 external hard drives fail me - about 2 years old.  Luckily 
>> I managed to transfer the files to another
>> external one.  Both were Toshiba.
>> 
>> Hope that helps
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Jewels
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:43 am, Peter Curtis >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone
>>> Are the external ssd hard drives more reliable than the normal external 
>>> hard drives?
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
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Re: SSD external harddrives

[Peter]

Hi Julie that is lucky you were able to transfer data before anything got lost. 
Peter’s original question however relates to whether external SSD drives are 
more reliable and it wasn’t clear from your email if your drives were HDD 
(mechanical spinning disc drives) or SSD (solid state drives). 

My experience has been to trust SSD devices more than HDD drive devices. It 
stands to reason that something mechanical and moving in principle is going to 
fail at some point where solid state devices have potentially an indefinite 
life - though there may be reasons that can’t be. SSD is likely to be more 
robust against accidental dropping too where an HDD not so likely. SSD drives 
are likely quicker too though can be a function of USB connection generation 
(2.0 or 3.0).

I would lean to SSD Peter if I was buying now but I have quite a number of HDD 
external drives and they have been reliable for many years for me. Always a 
good policy to have backup of all data too - including your externally attached 
drives  - to Time Machine so you can sleep at night about the potential loss of 
data not being disastrous. The price of HDD external drives is so very cheap 
now too where SSD a bit dearer for the same capacity. Always go a good named 
brand.

Pete.

> On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:11 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter
> 
> I have just had 2 external hard drives fail me - about 2 years old.  Luckily 
> I managed to transfer the files to another
> external one.  Both were Toshiba.
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> Cheers
> Jewels
> 
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:43 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone
>> Are the external ssd hard drives more reliable than the normal external hard 
>> drives?
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
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Re: SSD external harddrives

[Peter Curtis]

Hi Jewels
Were they SSD or normal drives?
Peter

> On 7 Aug 2020, at 1:11 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter
> 
> I have just had 2 external hard drives fail me - about 2 years old.  Luckily 
> I managed to transfer the files to another
> external one.  Both were Toshiba.
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> Cheers
> Jewels
> 
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:43 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone
>> Are the external ssd hard drives more reliable than the normal external hard 
>> drives?
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
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[Julie Bedford]

Hi Peter

I have just had 2 external hard drives fail me - about 2 years old.  Luckily I 
managed to transfer the files to another
external one.  Both were Toshiba.

Hope that helps

Cheers
Jewels


> On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:43 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
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> drives?
> Kind regards
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Re: Members Meeting -

[Rosemary Spark]

Hi , Thanks I did find it eventually!
The trouble is so many emails...all those spammers at home with nothing
better to do.
Rosemary Spark
PO Box 781
South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
Mobile: 0414268043




On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 18:58, Pete  wrote:

> Hi Rosemary. This should get you there.
>
> In my haste, I forgot to include the meeting info:
>
>
> Join Zoom Meeting at:
>
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/83033171115?pwd=V1d1MTVwV2lETEtBcEhNNTA3MDMyUT09
>
> Meeting ID: 830 3317 1115
>
> Passcode: 368562
>
>
>
> On 4 Aug 2020, at 6:43 pm, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
>
> Hi, I sent a message asking to be in the zoom hrbrid meeting to the group
> but still haven't got a link for tonight's meeting. Is it coming soon?
> Cheers
> Rosemary Spark
> PO Box 781
> South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
> Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
> Mobile: 0414268043
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 17:52,  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Fellow Wamuggers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Our next member's meeting will take place this *Tuesday August 4th.* We
>> will be attempting our first hybrid meeting. i.e. Combining a face to face
>> meeting with Zoom
>>
>>
>> At this point, behalf of the committee, I want to say thank-you the
>> intrepid Wamuggers who helped the committee explore the intricacies of Zoom
>> and who showed patience and fortitude when things didn’t go too well,
>> including screen freezes and boot-outs. The committee has purchased a
>> license which should eliminate boot-outs and timing problems but does not
>> take into account that omnipresent factor -‘Human Error.‘  As Johann
>> Wolfgang von Goethe said, “By seeking and blundering we learn.”
>>
>>
>> This month’s meeting will *open at 7:30pm for a 7:40pm star*t. During
>> the first half hour we will be looking at the new bits & pieces
>> associated with the recent upgrades to Pages, Keynote & possibly Numbers.
>> After that we will take any questions on topics or problems you might have.
>> If you only want to stay for the presentation that’s OK. I know some of you
>> are logging in from another time zone.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to participate please indicate via the list and you will be
>> sent your Meeting ID and Code.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Maureen Smith
>>
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Re: Members Meeting -

[Rosemary Spark]

Hi,
Found itsorry!
Rosemary Spark
PO Box 781
South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
Mobile: 0414268043




On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 18:43, Rosemary Spark  wrote:

> Hi, I sent a message asking to be in the zoom hrbrid meeting to the group
> but still haven't got a link for tonight's meeting. Is it coming soon?
> Cheers
> Rosemary Spark
> PO Box 781
> South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
> Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
> Mobile: 0414268043
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 17:52,  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Fellow Wamuggers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Our next member's meeting will take place this *Tuesday August 4th.* We
>> will be attempting our first hybrid meeting. i.e. Combining a face to face
>> meeting with Zoom
>>
>>
>> At this point, behalf of the committee, I want to say thank-you the
>> intrepid Wamuggers who helped the committee explore the intricacies of Zoom
>> and who showed patience and fortitude when things didn’t go too well,
>> including screen freezes and boot-outs. The committee has purchased a
>> license which should eliminate boot-outs and timing problems but does not
>> take into account that omnipresent factor -‘Human Error.‘  As Johann
>> Wolfgang von Goethe said, “By seeking and blundering we learn.”
>>
>>
>> This month’s meeting will *open at 7:30pm for a 7:40pm star*t. During
>> the first half hour we will be looking at the new bits & pieces
>> associated with the recent upgrades to Pages, Keynote & possibly Numbers.
>> After that we will take any questions on topics or problems you might have.
>> If you only want to stay for the presentation that’s OK. I know some of you
>> are logging in from another time zone.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to participate please indicate via the list and you will be
>> sent your Meeting ID and Code.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Maureen Smith
>>
>>
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Re: Members Meeting -

[Pete]

Hi Rosemary. This should get you there.

> In my haste, I forgot to include the meeting info:
> 
> Join Zoom Meeting at:
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/83033171115?pwd=V1d1MTVwV2lETEtBcEhNNTA3MDMyUT09
> Meeting ID: 830 3317 1115
> Passcode: 368562


> On 4 Aug 2020, at 6:43 pm, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I sent a message asking to be in the zoom hrbrid meeting to the group but 
> still haven't got a link for tonight's meeting. Is it coming soon?
> Cheers
> Rosemary Spark
> PO Box 781
> South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
> Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
> Mobile: 0414268043
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 17:52,  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Fellow Wamuggers,
>>  
>> Our next member's meeting will take place this Tuesday August 4th. We will 
>> be attempting our first hybrid meeting. i.e. Combining a face to face 
>> meeting with Zoom
>> 
>> At this point, behalf of the committee, I want to say thank-you the intrepid 
>> Wamuggers who helped the committee explore the intricacies of Zoom and who 
>> showed patience and fortitude when things didn’t go too well, including 
>> screen freezes and boot-outs. The committee has purchased a license which 
>> should eliminate boot-outs and timing problems but does not take into 
>> account that omnipresent factor -‘Human Error.‘  As Johann Wolfgang von 
>> Goethe said, “By seeking and blundering we learn.” 
>> 
>> This month’s meeting will open at 7:30pm for a 7:40pm start. During the 
>> first half hour we will be looking at the new bits & pieces associated with 
>> the recent upgrades to Pages, Keynote & possibly Numbers. After that we will 
>> take any questions on topics or problems you might have. If you only want to 
>> stay for the presentation that’s OK. I know some of you are logging in from 
>> another time zone.
>>  
>> If you want to participate please indicate via the list and you will be sent 
>> your Meeting ID and Code.
>>  
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Maureen Smith
>> 
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Re: Members Meeting -

[Rosemary Spark]

Hi, I sent a message asking to be in the zoom hrbrid meeting to the group
but still haven't got a link for tonight's meeting. Is it coming soon?
Cheers
Rosemary Spark
PO Box 781
South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
Mobile: 0414268043




On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 17:52,  wrote:

>
> Hello Fellow Wamuggers,
>
>
>
> Our next member's meeting will take place this *Tuesday August 4th.* We
> will be attempting our first hybrid meeting. i.e. Combining a face to face
> meeting with Zoom
>
>
> At this point, behalf of the committee, I want to say thank-you the
> intrepid Wamuggers who helped the committee explore the intricacies of Zoom
> and who showed patience and fortitude when things didn’t go too well,
> including screen freezes and boot-outs. The committee has purchased a
> license which should eliminate boot-outs and timing problems but does not
> take into account that omnipresent factor -‘Human Error.‘  As Johann
> Wolfgang von Goethe said, “By seeking and blundering we learn.”
>
>
> This month’s meeting will *open at 7:30pm for a 7:40pm star*t. During the
> first half hour we will be looking at the new bits & pieces associated
> with the recent upgrades to Pages, Keynote & possibly Numbers. After that
> we will take any questions on topics or problems you might have. If you
> only want to stay for the presentation that’s OK. I know some of you are
> logging in from another time zone.
>
>
>
> If you want to participate please indicate via the list and you will be
> sent your Meeting ID and Code.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Maureen Smith
>
>
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Re: Members Meeting -

[Peter Curtis]

Hi Maureen
Please add me to the list
Kind regards
Peter Curtis

> On 2 Aug 2020, at 5:52 pm, topsm...@internode.on.net wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Fellow Wamuggers,
> 
>  
> Our next member's meeting will take place this Tuesday August 4th. We will be 
> attempting our first hybrid meeting. i.e. Combining a face to face meeting 
> with Zoom
> 
> At this point, behalf of the committee, I want to say thank-you the intrepid 
> Wamuggers who helped the committee explore the intricacies of Zoom and who 
> showed patience and fortitude when things didn’t go too well, including 
> screen freezes and boot-outs. The committee has purchased a license which 
> should eliminate boot-outs and timing problems but does not take into account 
> that omnipresent factor -‘Human Error.‘  As Johann Wolfgang von Goethe said, 
> “By seeking and blundering we learn.” 
> 
> This month’s meeting will open at 7:30pm for a 7:40pm start. During the first 
> half hour we will be looking at the new bits & pieces associated with the 
> recent upgrades to Pages, Keynote & possibly Numbers. After that we will take 
> any questions on topics or problems you might have. If you only want to stay 
> for the presentation that’s OK. I know some of you are logging in from 
> another time zone.
>  
> If you want to participate please indicate via the list and you will be sent 
> your Meeting ID and Code.
> 
>  
>  
> Cheers,
> 
>  
> Maureen Smith
> 
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Re: Members Meeting -

[Robin Belford]

Hi Maureen,
Please add me to the meeting list.
Regards,

Robin

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> Date: Sunday, 2 August 2020 at 5:52 pm
> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au "  >
> Subject: Members Meeting -
>  
>  
> Hello Fellow Wamuggers,
>  
> Our next member's meeting will take place this Tuesday August 4th. We will be 
> attempting our first hybrid meeting. i.e. Combining a face to face meeting 
> with Zoom
> 
> 
> At this point, behalf of the committee, I want to say thank-you the intrepid 
> Wamuggers who helped the committee explore the intricacies of Zoom and who 
> showed patience and fortitude when things didn’t go too well, including 
> screen freezes and boot-outs. The committee has purchased a license which 
> should eliminate boot-outs and timing problems but does not take into account 
> that omnipresent factor -‘Human Error.‘  As Johann Wolfgang von Goethe said, 
> “By seeking and blundering we learn.” 
>  
> This month’s meeting will open at 7:30pm for a 7:40pm start. During the first 
> half hour we will be looking at the new bits & pieces associated with the 
> recent upgrades to Pages, Keynote & possibly Numbers. After that we will take 
> any questions on topics or problems you might have. If you only want to stay 
> for the presentation that’s OK. I know some of you are logging in from 
> another time zone.
>  
> If you want to participate please indicate via the list and you will be sent 
> your Meeting ID and Code.
>  
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Maureen Smith
> 
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Re: Members Meeting -

[Juliet Kitson]

I would like to join.
Regards Bill

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 22:09 Graham Rabe  wrote:

> Hi Maureen – please add me to the list for tomorrow’s meeting.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Graham Rabe
>
>
>
> Graham Rabe | Barrister & Solicitor | Commercial Litigation Consultant &
> Mediator
> Suite 94, 50 St Georges
> 
>   Terrace,
> 
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>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Fellow Wamuggers,
>
>
>
> Our next member's meeting will take place this *Tuesday August 4th.* We
> will be attempting our first hybrid meeting. i.e. Combining a face to face
> meeting with Zoom
>
>
>
> At this point, behalf of the committee, I want to say thank-you the
> intrepid Wamuggers who helped the committee explore the intricacies of Zoom
> and who showed patience and fortitude when things didn’t go too well,
> including screen freezes and boot-outs. The committee has purchased a
> license which should eliminate boot-outs and timing problems but does not
> take into account that omnipresent factor -‘Human Error.‘  As Johann
> Wolfgang von Goethe said, “By seeking and blundering we learn.”
>
>
>
> This month’s meeting will *open at 7:30pm for a 7:40pm star*t. During the
> first half hour we will be looking at the new bits & pieces associated with
> the recent upgrades to Pages, Keynote & possibly Numbers. After that we
> will take any questions on topics or problems you might have. If you only
> want to stay for the presentation that’s OK. I know some of you are logging
> in from another time zone.
>
>
>
> If you want to participate please indicate via the list and you will be
> sent your Meeting ID and Code.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> Maureen Smith
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Hi Maureen – please add me to the list for tomorrow’s meeting.

Thanks,

Graham Rabe

Graham Rabe | Barrister & Solicitor | Commercial Litigation Consultant & 
Mediator
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Date: Sunday, 2 August 2020 at 5:52 pm
To: "wamug@wamug.org.au" 
Subject: Members Meeting -


Hello Fellow Wamuggers,

Our next member's meeting will take place this Tuesday August 4th. We will be 
attempting our first hybrid meeting. i.e. Combining a face to face meeting with 
Zoom


At this point, behalf of the committee, I want to say thank-you the intrepid 
Wamuggers who helped the committee explore the intricacies of Zoom and who 
showed patience and fortitude when things didn’t go too well, including screen 
freezes and boot-outs. The committee has purchased a license which should 
eliminate boot-outs and timing problems but does not take into account that 
omnipresent factor -‘Human Error.‘  As Johann Wolfgang von Goethe said, “By 
seeking and blundering we learn.”

This month’s meeting will open at 7:30pm for a 7:40pm start. During the first 
half hour we will be looking at the new bits & pieces associated with the 
recent upgrades to Pages, Keynote & possibly Numbers. After that we will take 
any questions on topics or problems you might have. If you only want to stay 
for the presentation that’s OK. I know some of you are logging in from another 
time zone.

If you want to participate please indicate via the list and you will be sent 
your Meeting ID and Code.


Cheers,

Maureen Smith


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Re: hard drives not mounting

[Peter]

Hi Rosemary, this must be concerning for you. I hope you have a TC backup of 
the content as a fall back. A tip I got some years ago from Daniel on drive 
mounting which has got me out of trouble a couple of times is to do the 
following.

Starting with the external drive NOT connected to the USB port
Remove the cable for the external drive for the portable drive
Connect the cable ONLY to the MBP USB port
Wait 30 seconds (the MBP recognises that a connection has been made but with 
nothing on it)
Then connect the portable drive to the end of the cable just plugged in, in 
step 3
Cross fingers and hope the drive will now mount.


I have tried this on occasion when a “Disk Eject Error” results from 
inadvertent unplugging of an external drive. 

But from the sounds of what you’ve done already, I am not confident this will 
work for you. 

I am yet to move to Catalina with my MBP - mainly due to the MS Office update 
it would force me to do. My locally installed Office for Mac 2011 has been more 
than capable of covering the basic tasks I need and I have a work laptop with 
Office 2016 for more current tasks. But I digress sorry.

If you have a TC backup of the data from the previously connected external 
drive when it was mounted, you may be able retrieve the data to a newly 
formatted and mounted drive in Catalina.

I hope you can sort the drive mounting issue.

Regards

Peter.

> On 22 Jul 2020, at 3:20 pm, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> We are having problems mounting hard drives in Catalina 10.15.6,
> With me it's spotty. ie some hard drives will mountsometimes. Others not 
> at all. (I've Macbook Pro 13" 2017)
> Unfortunately on my husband's computer none will mount. (he has early 2013)
> In Disk utility sometimes the container loads but not the interior which is 
> grayed out. Can't mount or repair.
> I've reset the PRAM and SMC multiple times.
> I've used terminal to diskutil list, then diskutil info on the disks, then 
> ejected and re-inserted but still won't mount. 
> So I can't even erase/reformat (even if I wanted to) 
> 
> 
> Rosemary Spark
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Re: Bluetooth probs? Reset your watch

[Philippe Chaperon]

Hi Tim & WAMUG’ers, 

Many thanks for this information which is very useful. I had a somewhat similar 
problem though not related to my Apple products and your advice prompted me to 
do a reset to original factory settings … and all’s well now! So thank you for 
letting us know. 

Best regards, 

Philippe C.
 

On 21 Jul 2020, at 5:06 pm, Tim Law  wrote:

I’ve an Apple Watch Series Three and an iPhone 6s

I was having ongoing issues with Bluetooth connections To various devices and 
no amount of restarting the devices, turning Bluetooth on and off would Result 
in a lasting fix

Most annoying was the watch which would lose connection at a whim. It wasn’t 
just the watch, but was the most annoying. 

It contributed to me upgrading to an iPhone SE.  I was also tiring of replacing 
the battery every year too, so it wasn’t just the Bluetooth, but certainly 
contributed. 

New iPhone, same BluTooth  connection problems. Feeling glum. 

Now I’ve reset the Apple Watch ⌚️ To standard and rebuilt from a backup and 
everything is back to working reliably and connecting as it should. 

Somehow the watch Bluetooth must have been upsetting the iphone and it’s 
connections everywhere else. Or at least that’s what it seems

No question. Just a story that might be useful to someone. 

Regards
Tim


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Re: Bluetooth probs? Reset your watch

[Tim Law]

That’s great to hear Philippe. 

> On 21 Jul 2020, at 5:18 pm, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim & WAMUG’ers, 
> 
> Many thanks for this information which is very useful. I had a somewhat 
> similar problem though not related to my Apple products and your advice 
> prompted me to do a reset to original factory settings … and all’s well now! 
> So thank you for letting us know. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Philippe C.
> 
> 
> On 21 Jul 2020, at 5:06 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> I’ve an Apple Watch Series Three and an iPhone 6s
> 
> I was having ongoing issues with Bluetooth connections To various devices and 
> no amount of restarting the devices, turning Bluetooth on and off would 
> Result in a lasting fix
> 
> Most annoying was the watch which would lose connection at a whim. It wasn’t 
> just the watch, but was the most annoying. 
> 
> It contributed to me upgrading to an iPhone SE.  I was also tiring of 
> replacing the battery every year too, so it wasn’t just the Bluetooth, but 
> certainly contributed. 
> 
> New iPhone, same BluTooth  connection problems. Feeling glum. 
> 
> Now I’ve reset the Apple Watch ⌚️ To standard and rebuilt from a backup and 
> everything is back to working reliably and connecting as it should. 
> 
> Somehow the watch Bluetooth must have been upsetting the iphone and it’s 
> connections everywhere else. Or at least that’s what it seems
> 
> No question. Just a story that might be useful to someone. 
> 
> Regards
> Tim
> 
> 
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Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

[topsmith]

Hello Graeme,
Peter Hinchliffe will send you out a link, the Meeting ID and
Password.
These can be used to log in about 5-10 minutes prior to the meeting.
Cheers,Maureen 

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From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:59:38 +0800
Subject:Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

 Thanks Maureen. I have used Zoom once before.Do I need a password? 
 Graeme

 On 6 Jul 2020, at 3:38 pm, topsm...@internode.on.net [1] wrote: 
 Hi Graham,
 Hopefully this will get through to you. I have also Bcc'd the message
to your personal email address Looking forward to your seeing you on
screen tomorrow. 
 Glad to be out of the junk folder but would like to be part of the'
inbox crowd.' hopefully things can be sorted soon.  
 Cheers 
 Maureen
     Subject:Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

Hi Maureen, 

  

I’m still not getting WAMUG emails from you and many other members.
You’re now no longer even in my junk mailbox. Fortunately this email
from Pete came into my Inbox today.  

  

I’d like to attend tomorrow’s zoom meeting. 

  

Thanks. 

  

Cheers, 

  

Graham  

  

  

FROM:  on behalf of Pete 
REPLY TO: "wamug@wamug.org.au [4]" 
DATE: Monday, 6 July 2020 at 12:42 pm
TO: "wamug@wamug.org.au [6]" 
SUBJECT: Re: Yes I can attend the meeting 

  

Thanks Maureen, I'm away currently so will decline for this month. 

  

Thanks. 

  

Regards 

  

Pete 

 On 6 Jul 2020, at 11:31 am, topsm...@internode.on.net [8] wrote: 

  

 Hello Fellow WAMUGgers, 

  

  Apologies for the late notice. (You just can't get good staff these
days. Hee Hee)  Our WAMUG Zoom meeting will take place this Tuesday
at 7:30 pm. The first half hour is a presentation, followed by general
questions.    

  

 This month Peter Hinchcliffe will present Art Text 4  This software
allows you to create sophisticated text effects and typography
graphics for a variety of media. Just might be the thing to take your
presentations and projects to the next level. 

  

 Art Text 4 is available on the App Store Incidentally, the paid
version is currently on offer at 30% discount until July 9. It is not
often you get to see software in action before you decide if it is for
you. 

  

 If you would like to join please indicate via the list and you will
be individually emailed the login details.  

  

 Cheers,  

 Maureen Smith 

  

  

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Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you Maureen.
I would like to attend please.

> On 6 Jul 2020, at 11:31 am, topsm...@internode.on.net wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
> 
> Apologies for the late notice. (You just can't get good staff these days. Hee 
> Hee)  Our WAMUG Zoom meeting will take place this Tuesday at 7:30 pm. The 
> first half hour is a presentation, followed by general questions.  
> 
> This month Peter Hinchcliffe will present Art Text 4.  This software allows 
> you to create sophisticated text effects and typography graphics for a 
> variety of media. Just might be the thing to take your presentations and 
> projects to the next level.
> 
> Art Text 4 is available on the App Store. Incidentally, the paid version is 
> currently on offer at 30% discount until July 9. It is not often you get to 
> see software in action before you decide if it is for you.
> 
> If you would like to join please indicate via the list and you will be 
> individually emailed the login details. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Maureen Smith
> 
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Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

[Graeme Winters]

Thanks Maureen. I have used Zoom once before.
Do I need a password?

Graeme

> On 6 Jul 2020, at 3:38 pm, topsm...@internode.on.net wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
> Hopefully this will get through to you. I have also Bcc'd the message to your 
> personal email address Looking forward to your seeing you on screen tomorrow.
> 
> Glad to be out of the junk folder but would like to be part of the' inbox 
> crowd.' hopefully things can be sorted soon. 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Maureen
> 
> Subject:
> Re: Yes I can attend the meeting
> 
> 
> Hi Maureen,
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I’m still not getting WAMUG emails from you and many other members. You’re 
> now no longer even in my junk mailbox. Fortunately this email from Pete came 
> into my Inbox today.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I’d like to attend tomorrow’s zoom meeting.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From:  on behalf of Pete 
> 
> Reply to: "wamug@wamug.org.au" 
> Date: Monday, 6 July 2020 at 12:42 pm
> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au" 
> Subject: Re: Yes I can attend the meeting
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks Maureen, I'm away currently so will decline for this month.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Jul 2020, at 11:31 am, topsm...@internode.on.net 
> <mailto:topsm...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Apologies for the late notice. (You just can't get good staff these days. Hee 
> Hee)  Our WAMUG Zoom meeting will take place this Tuesday at 7:30 pm. The 
> first half hour is a presentation, followed by general questions.  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> This month Peter Hinchcliffe will present Art Text 4.  This software allows 
> you to create sophisticated text effects and typography graphics for a 
> variety of media. Just might be the thing to take your presentations and 
> projects to the next level.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Art Text 4 is available on the App Store. Incidentally, the paid version is 
> currently on offer at 30% discount until July 9. It is not often you get to 
> see software in action before you decide if it is for you.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> If you would like to join please indicate via the list and you will be 
> individually emailed the login details. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> 
> Maureen Smith
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

[topsmith]

Hi Graham,
Hopefully this will get through to you. I have also Bcc'd the message
to your personal email address. Looking forward to your seeing you on
screen tomorrow.
Glad to be out of the junk folder but would like to be part of the'
inbox crowd.' hopefully things can be sorted soon. 
Cheers
Maureen
    Subject:Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

Hi Maureen,

 

I’m still not getting WAMUG emails from you and many other members.
You’re now no longer even in my junk mailbox. Fortunately this email
from Pete came into my Inbox today. 

 

I’d like to attend tomorrow’s zoom meeting.

 

Thanks.

 

Cheers,

 

Graham 

 

 

FROM:  on behalf of Pete 
REPLY TO: "wamug@wamug.org.au" 
DATE: Monday, 6 July 2020 at 12:42 pm
TO: "wamug@wamug.org.au" 
SUBJECT: Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

 

Thanks Maureen, I'm away currently so will decline for this month.

 

Thanks.

 

Regards

 

Pete

 On 6 Jul 2020, at 11:31 am, topsm...@internode.on.net [1] wrote:

 

Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,

 

Apologies for the late notice. (You just can't get good staff these
days. Hee Hee)  Our WAMUG Zoom meeting will take place this Tuesday
at 7:30 pm. The first half hour is a presentation, followed by general
questions.  

 

This month Peter Hinchcliffe will present Art Text 4.  This software
allows you to create sophisticated text effects and typography
graphics for a variety of media. Just might be the thing to take your
presentations and projects to the next level.

 

Art Text 4 is available on the App Store. Incidentally, the paid
version is currently on offer at 30% discount until July 9. It is not
often you get to see software in action before you decide if it is for
you.

 

If you would like to join please indicate via the list and you will
be individually emailed the login details. 

 

Cheers, 

Maureen Smith

 

 

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Re: Yes I can attend the meeting. Yes I would like to attend the meeting.Regards Bill Kitson

[Juliet Kitson]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 4:59 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:

> Hi Maureen,
>
>
>
> I’m still not getting WAMUG emails from you and many other members. You’re
> now no longer even in my junk mailbox. Fortunately this email from Pete
> came into my Inbox today.
>
>
>
> I’d like to attend tomorrow’s zoom meeting.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: * on behalf of Pete
> 
> *Reply to: *"wamug@wamug.org.au" 
> *Date: *Monday, 6 July 2020 at 12:42 pm
> *To: *"wamug@wamug.org.au" 
> *Subject: *Re: Yes I can attend the meeting
>
>
>
> Thanks Maureen, I'm away currently so will decline for this month.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 6 Jul 2020, at 11:31 am, topsm...@internode.on.net wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
>
>
>
> Apologies for the late notice. (You just can't get good staff these days.
> Hee Hee)  Our WAMUG Zoom meeting will take place this Tuesday at 7:30 pm.
> The first half hour is a presentation, followed by general questions.
>
>
>
> This month Peter Hinchcliffe will present Art Text 4.  This software
> allows you to create sophisticated text effects and typography graphics for
> a variety of media. Just might be the thing to take your presentations and
> projects to the next level.
>
>
>
> Art Text 4 is available on the App Store. Incidentally, the paid version
> is currently on offer at 30% discount until July 9. It is not often you get
> to see software in action before you decide if it is for you.
>
>
>
> If you would like to join please indicate via the list and you will be
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>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Maureen Smith
>
>
>
>
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Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

[Graham Rabe]

Hi Maureen,

I’m still not getting WAMUG emails from you and many other members. You’re now 
no longer even in my junk mailbox. Fortunately this email from Pete came into 
my Inbox today.

I’d like to attend tomorrow’s zoom meeting.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Graham


From:  on behalf of Pete 

Reply to: "wamug@wamug.org.au" 
Date: Monday, 6 July 2020 at 12:42 pm
To: "wamug@wamug.org.au" 
Subject: Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

Thanks Maureen, I'm away currently so will decline for this month.

Thanks.

Regards

Pete

On 6 Jul 2020, at 11:31 am, 
topsm...@internode.on.net<mailto:topsm...@internode.on.net> wrote:



Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,



Apologies for the late notice. (You just can't get good staff these days. Hee 
Hee)  Our WAMUG Zoom meeting will take place this Tuesday at 7:30 pm. The first 
half hour is a presentation, followed by general questions.



This month Peter Hinchcliffe will present Art Text 4.  This software allows you 
to create sophisticated text effects and typography graphics for a variety of 
media. Just might be the thing to take your presentations and projects to the 
next level.



Art Text 4 is available on the App Store. Incidentally, the paid version is 
currently on offer at 30% discount until July 9. It is not often you get to see 
software in action before you decide if it is for you.



If you would like to join please indicate via the list and you will be 
individually emailed the login details.



Cheers,

Maureen Smith


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Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

[Julie Bedford]

Hi Maureen,

I would like to attend on line also. 
Hopefully I’ll find you on the day !

Thanks
Jewels


> On 6 Jul 2020, at 11:31 am, topsm...@internode.on.net wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
> 
> Apologies for the late notice. (You just can't get good staff these days. Hee 
> Hee)  Our WAMUG Zoom meeting will take place this Tuesday at 7:30 pm. The 
> first half hour is a presentation, followed by general questions.  
> 
> This month Peter Hinchcliffe will present Art Text 4.  This software allows 
> you to create sophisticated text effects and typography graphics for a 
> variety of media. Just might be the thing to take your presentations and 
> projects to the next level.
> 
> Art Text 4 is available on the App Store. Incidentally, the paid version is 
> currently on offer at 30% discount until July 9. It is not often you get to 
> see software in action before you decide if it is for you.
> 
> If you would like to join please indicate via the list and you will be 
> individually emailed the login details. 
> 
> Cheers, 
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> 
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Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

[wendy . corrick]

I will try to attendWendy Corrick

- Original Message -
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Sent:Mon, 06 Jul 2020 11:31:22 +0800
Subject:Yes I can attend the meeting

Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,

Apologies for the late notice. (You just can't get good staff these
days. Hee Hee)  Our WAMUG Zoom meeting will take place this Tuesday
at 7:30 pm. The first half hour is a presentation, followed by general
questions.   

This month Peter Hinchcliffe will present Art Text 4.  This software
allows you to create sophisticated text effects and typography
graphics for a variety of media. Just might be the thing to take your
presentations and projects to the next level. 

Art Text 4 is available on the App Store. Incidentally, the paid
version is currently on offer at 30% discount until July 9. It is not
often you get to see software in action before you decide if it is for
you. 

If you would like to join please indicate via the list and you will
be individually emailed the login details.  

Cheers,  

Maureen Smith


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Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

[Pete]

Thanks Maureen, I'm away currently so will decline for this month.

Thanks.


Regards

Pete

> On 6 Jul 2020, at 11:31 am, topsm...@internode.on.net wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
> 
> Apologies for the late notice. (You just can't get good staff these days. Hee 
> Hee)  Our WAMUG Zoom meeting will take place this Tuesday at 7:30 pm. The 
> first half hour is a presentation, followed by general questions.  
> 
> This month Peter Hinchcliffe will present Art Text 4.  This software allows 
> you to create sophisticated text effects and typography graphics for a 
> variety of media. Just might be the thing to take your presentations and 
> projects to the next level.
> 
> Art Text 4 is available on the App Store. Incidentally, the paid version is 
> currently on offer at 30% discount until July 9. It is not often you get to 
> see software in action before you decide if it is for you.
> 
> If you would like to join please indicate via the list and you will be 
> individually emailed the login details. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Maureen Smith
> 
> 
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Re: Yes I can attend the meeting

[Graeme Winters]

yes would like to attend

Graeme

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I wish to attend.

robin


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> Apologies for the late notice. (You just can't get good staff these days. Hee 
> Hee)  Our WAMUG Zoom meeting will take place this Tuesday at 7:30 pm. The 
> first half hour is a presentation, followed by general questions.  
> 
> This month Peter Hinchcliffe will present Art Text 4.  This software allows 
> you to create sophisticated text effects and typography graphics for a 
> variety of media. Just might be the thing to take your presentations and 
> projects to the next level.
> 
> Art Text 4 is available on the App Store. Incidentally, the paid version is 
> currently on offer at 30% discount until July 9. It is not often you get to 
> see software in action before you decide if it is for you.
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Re: I have 10.6.8 what can I upgrade to on iMac 9

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Peter,

I upgraded straight from Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to El Capitan 10.11.6 on two IMacs 
and a laptop. I am currently writing this on the older iMac - a mid 2007 24" 
Model identifier 7.1 - so older than your machine -though I do have a bit more 
RAM fitted - 6GB (which is the max for this model).

Regarding your software you would need to check all your apps to see what 
versions of each are compatible with El Capitan but:

-  Regarding CS3 - no personal experience but check out this discussion (sounds 
like you should be OK?) 
https://community.adobe.com/t5/download-install/cs3-on-mac-os-x-el-capitan-10-11-5/td-p/9526794?page=1
-  Regarding Office - I was running Office 2004 - so had to upgrade and decided 
to got the Office 365 subscription (see some of my previous posts for reasons) 
- One problem I found was that with some Office 2004 Word & Excel docs - where 
I had carefully formatted to give a specific pdf format - opening in the latest 
Office would change the formatting slightly which was annoying so I ended up 
running the offending docs through Office 2011 first.

Just a minute - this is all sounding very familiar - I think you asked the same 
question last year which I answered here!! :  
https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg82377.html


Don't forget the backups!!


Cheers


Neil



On 05/07/20, 16:06, "Peter Faulks" 
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I have
Model Name:iMac
   Model Identifier:iMac9,1
   Processor Name:Intel Core 2 Duo
   Processor Speed:2.66 GHz
   Number Of Processors:1
   Total Number Of Cores:2
   L2 Cache:6 MB
   Memory:4 GB
   Bus Speed:1.07 GHz
   Boot ROM Version:IM91.008D.B08
   SMC Version (system):1.36f3
   Serial Number (system):WQ9050FJ0TF
   Hardware UUID:0B8662FA-4D6C-5E43-8003-03E5FF3FC085

But I use Adobe CS3 (Photoshop, Dreamweaver etc) and Office which I use 
extensively

will these still run if I upgrade and which upgrade would be most suitable?

Peter Faulks

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Re: I have 10.6.8 what can I upgrade to on iMac 9

[Robin Belford]

Hi Peter,
I can’t comment on your application software but your iMac can do this.

SOFTWARE

Original OS Mac OS X 10.5.6 (9G3556)
Later OSMac OS X 10.6 (10A432)
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> On 5 Jul 2020, at 4:05 pm, Peter Faulks  wrote:
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> I have
> Model Name:iMac
>  Model Identifier:iMac9,1
>  Processor Name:Intel Core 2 Duo
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>  Number Of Processors:1
>  Total Number Of Cores:2
>  L2 Cache:6 MB
>  Memory:4 GB
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>  Serial Number (system):WQ9050FJ0TF
>  Hardware UUID:0B8662FA-4D6C-5E43-8003-03E5FF3FC085
> 
> But I use Adobe CS3 (Photoshop, Dreamweaver etc) and Office which I use 
> extensively
> 
> will these still run if I upgrade and which upgrade would be most suitable?
> 
> Peter Faulks
> 
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Re: Music

[Marcus Harris]

Hi again Pete and Stephen,
Here’s what I found following my earlier comments.

The music I paid for on the Apple Store in iTunes is shown as “purchased” in 
the list
I selected a couple of songs from the list and copied to a thumb drive.
Then I placed that TD in my Panasonic TV and searched for it.
I Opened it up and lo and behold the tunes are there and played without any 
issues.

Therefore one can safely say that if you buy music from the store —That $2.99 
tune is yours to capture and play on another device.

However, I am not sure if a dedicated Apple user would want to do buy music 
when one can get an Apple Music subscription and play from the ?millions of 
tunes in the cloud!

I personally still buy but on a very selective basis as Yes I have the Apple 
Music subscription.
Some classic albums I just want to own.
It’s been an interesting conversation so thanks for making me check out if 
Apple did gazumpt me. They hadn’t. 
Cheers
 Marcus

> On 30 Jun 2020, at 6:04 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Peter.
> It seems that for me the simplest way to get songs is by downloading to my 
> iPhone.
> Then it automatically syncs to Music on my iMac.
> 
> Thank you for your advice !!
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2020, at 4:46 pm, Peter Crisp > <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marcus, it would be interesting to hear the outcome of your experiment. 
>> Can you indicate if you are an Apple Music Subscriber or not? This will make 
>> a difference. 
>> 
>> I thought what the heck I would do an experiment too. I went to Music>Store 
>> and pressed Buy on the song "Love is a Rose" in that Album. iTunes duly 
>> asked for my password (to enable billing for my $2.19 purchase) and it duly 
>> downloaded into my external drive where my iTunes library is held - but NOT 
>> in the APPLE MUSIC subfolder of my library but rather an auto created new 
>> folder in my Music parent folder called Volume Pete>Music>Neil 
>> Young>Homegrown>Mexico. I can see the m4a file when doing the "Show in 
>> Finder" option. This file plays in Quicktime Player - no issues - albeit on 
>> my MBP. 
>> 
>> I also went to the album in iTunes>Library (not Store) and did a search in 
>> "All Apple Music" now and selected "Home Grown" and then selected the Neil 
>> Young album. I selected the song Mexico and this downloaded too, BUT it was 
>> placed in the "Apple Music" subfolder beneath my Music top level folder and 
>> the file is called "03 Mexico.m4p". I think the "p" in the filename might 
>> infer protected. 
>> 
>> But the Mexico track will NOT play in Quicktime player (Using Quicktime 
>> Player is a test as it does not utilise my Apple ID credentials to confirm 
>> playability for protected files. It didn't play. 
>> 
>> So, as I am a subscriber I am able to play the whole album without buying 
>> anything so long as it is on one of my Apple devices. This covers all my 
>> possibilities. I either download a song, Album, playlist or any Music 
>> content to my device (if I am out of 4G range, it plays fine). 
>> 
>> I checked in my Purchase History too following this and there is a Pending 
>> transaction for $2.19 dated today for the song Love is a Rose. If Apple's 
>> checking system is in order, it should not charge me - as I pay already via 
>> subscription. But if I get billed the $2.19, I will know for future. It will 
>> be useful to know.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Crisp
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>> wamug@wamug.org.au <mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>
>> To:
>> "WAMUG Mailing List" mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:53:06 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: Music
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> This made me very curious.
>> So I went to iTunes and selected Music >“Store”
>> There music is sold. For example, Neil Young “Home Grown “ album for $19.99.
>> Or one can also buy individual tunes for $2.99.
>> Are you convinced that buying these tunes/albums has no extra benefit than 
>> streaming from Apple Music.
>> I am going to try and stick some of my bought music onto a thumb drive 
>> tomorrow and see if it plays on another non Apple device.
>> Cheers  
>> Marcus
>> 
>> On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:54 am, Pete > <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually only 
>> bought the right to play it on an 

Re: Music

[Peter Crisp]

Yes, for sure Stephen, this is dead easy, on any device select the music you 
want then it syncs across all your other devices if you have iCloud selected on 
each device. 

Just for info too, I DID get billed the $2.19 so I figure that Apple thinks I 
have greater flexibility for that song being ‘bought’ than all the other 
content gained by subscribing and not specifically buying. I’ve yet to fully 
test the playing of that song on a USB say plugged into my Windows laptop. But 
I actually have no need to further exploit. I am fully covered with my 
subscription and locally downloaded music to my phone when travelling without a 
4G service. 

I hope others can set themselves up to suit their best needs. Subscription 
isn’t cheap but I am ok with it given the vast range of choice I (and my 
family) have with no ceiling on what or how much I can listen to. 

Regards


Pete

> On 30 Jun 2020, at 6:04 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Peter.
> It seems that for me the simplest way to get songs is by downloading to my 
> iPhone.
> Then it automatically syncs to Music on my iMac.
> 
> Thank you for your advice !!
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2020, at 4:46 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marcus, it would be interesting to hear the outcome of your experiment. 
>> Can you indicate if you are an Apple Music Subscriber or not? This will make 
>> a difference. 
>> 
>> I thought what the heck I would do an experiment too. I went to Music>Store 
>> and pressed Buy on the song "Love is a Rose" in that Album. iTunes duly 
>> asked for my password (to enable billing for my $2.19 purchase) and it duly 
>> downloaded into my external drive where my iTunes library is held - but NOT 
>> in the APPLE MUSIC subfolder of my library but rather an auto created new 
>> folder in my Music parent folder called Volume Pete>Music>Neil 
>> Young>Homegrown>Mexico. I can see the m4a file when doing the "Show in 
>> Finder" option. This file plays in Quicktime Player - no issues - albeit on 
>> my MBP. 
>> 
>> I also went to the album in iTunes>Library (not Store) and did a search in 
>> "All Apple Music" now and selected "Home Grown" and then selected the Neil 
>> Young album. I selected the song Mexico and this downloaded too, BUT it was 
>> placed in the "Apple Music" subfolder beneath my Music top level folder and 
>> the file is called "03 Mexico.m4p". I think the "p" in the filename might 
>> infer protected. 
>> 
>> But the Mexico track will NOT play in Quicktime player (Using Quicktime 
>> Player is a test as it does not utilise my Apple ID credentials to confirm 
>> playability for protected files. It didn't play. 
>> 
>> So, as I am a subscriber I am able to play the whole album without buying 
>> anything so long as it is on one of my Apple devices. This covers all my 
>> possibilities. I either download a song, Album, playlist or any Music 
>> content to my device (if I am out of 4G range, it plays fine). 
>> 
>> I checked in my Purchase History too following this and there is a Pending 
>> transaction for $2.19 dated today for the song Love is a Rose. If Apple's 
>> checking system is in order, it should not charge me - as I pay already via 
>> subscription. But if I get billed the $2.19, I will know for future. It will 
>> be useful to know.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Crisp
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>> wamug@wamug.org.au
>> 
>> To:
>> "WAMUG Mailing List" 
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:53:06 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: Music
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> This made me very curious.
>> So I went to iTunes and selected Music >“Store”
>> There music is sold. For example, Neil Young “Home Grown “ album for $19.99.
>> Or one can also buy individual tunes for $2.99.
>> Are you convinced that buying these tunes/albums has no extra benefit than 
>> streaming from Apple Music.
>> I am going to try and stick some of my bought music onto a thumb drive 
>> tomorrow and see if it plays on another non Apple device.
>> Cheers  
>> Marcus
>> 
>> On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:54 am, Pete  wrote:
>> 
>> Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually only 
>> bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a CD of it or 
>> copy off to any other storage means. 
>> 
>> I'm sure it's in the fine print.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, 

Re: Music

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you Peter.
It seems that for me the simplest way to get songs is by downloading to my 
iPhone.
Then it automatically syncs to Music on my iMac.

Thank you for your advice !!

> On 29 Jun 2020, at 4:46 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marcus, it would be interesting to hear the outcome of your experiment. 
> Can you indicate if you are an Apple Music Subscriber or not? This will make 
> a difference. 
> 
> I thought what the heck I would do an experiment too. I went to Music>Store 
> and pressed Buy on the song "Love is a Rose" in that Album. iTunes duly asked 
> for my password (to enable billing for my $2.19 purchase) and it duly 
> downloaded into my external drive where my iTunes library is held - but NOT 
> in the APPLE MUSIC subfolder of my library but rather an auto created new 
> folder in my Music parent folder called Volume Pete>Music>Neil 
> Young>Homegrown>Mexico. I can see the m4a file when doing the "Show in 
> Finder" option. This file plays in Quicktime Player - no issues - albeit on 
> my MBP. 
> 
> I also went to the album in iTunes>Library (not Store) and did a search in 
> "All Apple Music" now and selected "Home Grown" and then selected the Neil 
> Young album. I selected the song Mexico and this downloaded too, BUT it was 
> placed in the "Apple Music" subfolder beneath my Music top level folder and 
> the file is called "03 Mexico.m4p". I think the "p" in the filename might 
> infer protected. 
> 
> But the Mexico track will NOT play in Quicktime player (Using Quicktime 
> Player is a test as it does not utilise my Apple ID credentials to confirm 
> playability for protected files. It didn't play. 
> 
> So, as I am a subscriber I am able to play the whole album without buying 
> anything so long as it is on one of my Apple devices. This covers all my 
> possibilities. I either download a song, Album, playlist or any Music content 
> to my device (if I am out of 4G range, it plays fine). 
> 
> I checked in my Purchase History too following this and there is a Pending 
> transaction for $2.19 dated today for the song Love is a Rose. If Apple's 
> checking system is in order, it should not charge me - as I pay already via 
> subscription. But if I get billed the $2.19, I will know for future. It will 
> be useful to know.
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG Mailing List" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:53:06 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Music
> 
> 
> Hi Pete,
> This made me very curious.
> So I went to iTunes and selected Music >“Store”
> There music is sold. For example, Neil Young “Home Grown “ album for $19.99.
> Or one can also buy individual tunes for $2.99.
> Are you convinced that buying these tunes/albums has no extra benefit than 
> streaming from Apple Music.
> I am going to try and stick some of my bought music onto a thumb drive 
> tomorrow and see if it plays on another non Apple device.
> Cheers  
> Marcus
> 
> On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:54 am, Pete  <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
> 
> Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually only 
> bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a CD of it or 
> copy off to any other storage means. 
> 
> I'm sure it's in the fine print.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter.
> 
> I am not certain about this but ….
> I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions about 
> copying it.
> 
> 
> On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  <mailto:pe...@augold.com.au>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit behind the 
> times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put a song on a usb 
> stick to take somewhere?
> Kind regards
> Peter
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Re: Music

[Marcus Harris]

Hi Pete,
This made me very curious.
So I went to iTunes and selected Music >“Store”
There music is sold. For example, Neil Young “Home Grown “ album for $19.99.
Or one can also buy individual tunes for $2.99.
Are you convinced that buying these tunes/albums has no extra benefit than 
streaming from Apple Music.
I am going to try and stick some of my bought music onto a thumb drive tomorrow 
and see if it plays on another non Apple device.
Cheers  
Marcus

> On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:54 am, Pete  wrote:
> 
> Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually only 
> bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a CD of it or 
> copy off to any other storage means. 
> 
> I'm sure it's in the fine print.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter.
>> 
>> I am not certain about this but ….
>> I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions about 
>> copying it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit behind the 
>>> times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put a song on a usb 
>>> stick to take somewhere?
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
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Re: Music

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Marcus, it would be interesting to hear the outcome of your
experiment. Can you indicate if you are an Apple Music Subscriber or
not? This will make a difference. 
I thought what the heck I would do an experiment too. I went to
Music>Store and pressed Buy on the song "Love is a Rose" in that
Album. iTunes duly asked for my password (to enable billing for my
$2.19 purchase) and it duly downloaded into my external drive where my
iTunes library is held - but NOT in the APPLE MUSIC subfolder of my
library but rather an auto created new folder in my _Music _parent
folder called Volume Pete>Music>Neil Young>Homegrown>Mexico. I can see
the m4a file when doing the "Show in Finder" option. This file plays
in Quicktime Player - no issues - albeit on my MBP. 
I also went to the album in iTunes>Library (not Store) and did a
search in "All Apple Music" now and selected "Home Grown" and then
selected the Neil Young album. I selected the song Mexico and this
downloaded too, BUT it was placed in the "Apple Music" subfolder
beneath my _Music _top level folder and the file is called "03
Mexico.m4p". I think the "p" in the filename might infer protected. 
But the Mexico track will NOT play in Quicktime player (Using
Quicktime Player is a test as it does not utilise my Apple ID
credentials to confirm playability for protected files. It didn't
play. 
So, as I am a subscriber I am able to play the whole album without
buying anything so long as it is on one of my Apple devices. This
covers all my possibilities. I either download a song, Album, playlist
or any Music content to my device (if I am out of 4G range, it plays
fine). 
I checked in my Purchase History too following this and there is a
Pending transaction for $2.19 dated today for the song Love is a Rose.
If Apple's checking system is in order, it should not charge me - as I
pay already via subscription. But if I get billed the $2.19, I will
know for future. It will be useful to know.

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:53:06 +0800
Subject:Re: Music

 Hi Pete,This made me very curious.So I went to iTunes and selected
Music >“Store”There music is sold. For example, Neil Young “Home
Grown “ album for $19.99.Or one can also buy individual tunes for
$2.99.Are you convinced that buying these tunes/albums has no extra
benefit than streaming from Apple Music.I am going to try and stick
some of my bought music onto a thumb drive tomorrow and see if it
plays on another non Apple device.Cheers  Marcus

On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:54 am, Pete  wrote:
Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually
only bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a
CD of it or copy off to any other storage means. 
I'm sure it's in the fine print.

Regards
Pete
On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:

Hi Peter.
I am not certain about this but ….I think if you bought the music
from Apple, there are restrictions about copying it.

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behind the times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put
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[Marcus Harris]

Having read this, I now see that what I bought from iTunes has no extra benefit 
to an Apple Music Subscription.
I guess I paid good money for no extra benefit.
Bummer eh
Marcus

> On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:54 am, Pete  wrote:
> 
> Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually only 
> bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a CD of it or 
> copy off to any other storage means. 
> 
> I'm sure it's in the fine print.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter.
>> 
>> I am not certain about this but ….
>> I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions about 
>> copying it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit behind the 
>>> times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put a song on a usb 
>>> stick to take somewhere?
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
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[Marcus Harris]

Hi Pete,
Is that correct if you buy music  using iTunes, ie pay hard money for it vs 
renting through Apple Music?
Cheers 

Marcus 
Marcus Harris
Mobile +61417965618

 

> On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:55 am, Pete  wrote:
> 
> Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually only 
> bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a CD of it or 
> copy off to any other storage means. 
> 
> I'm sure it's in the fine print.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter.
>> 
>> I am not certain about this but ….
>> I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions about 
>> copying it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit behind the 
>>> times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put a song on a usb 
>>> stick to take somewhere?
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
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Re: Music

[Ronni Brown]

Yes Peter and Stephen you are correct.
“If you buy a digital music track or album from the iTunes store or one of its 
competitors, you don't own it. Instead, you're buying a license to play that 
track or album, and that license comes with an extremely limited set of rights.”

https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html

Kind Regards,
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> On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:55 am, Pete  wrote:
> 
> Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually only 
> bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a CD of it or 
> copy off to any other storage means. 
> 
> I'm sure it's in the fine print.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter.
>> 
>> I am not certain about this but ….
>> I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions about 
>> copying it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit behind the 
>>> times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put a song on a usb 
>>> stick to take somewhere?
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
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>> Stephen Chape
>> 
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[Peter Crisp]

Yes, that is a bummer. If you're a subscriber, you've paid for access
to the entire Apple Music database - it must be enormous! There is no
need to BUY anything, in fact I thought being a subscriber, you can't
actually BUY anything in the Music store - the log in should be
recognised and not effectively double charge.

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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Subject:Re: Music

 Having read this, I now see that what I bought from iTunes has no
extra benefit to an Apple Music Subscription.I guess I paid good money
for no extra benefit.Bummer ehMarcus

On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:54 am, Pete  wrote:
Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually
only bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a
CD of it or copy off to any other storage means. 
I'm sure it's in the fine print.

Regards
Pete
On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:

Hi Peter.
I am not certain about this but ….I think if you bought the music
from Apple, there are restrictions about copying it.

On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
Hi all
Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit
behind the times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put
a song on a usb stick to take somewhere?
Kind regards
Peter
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Re: Music

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Stephen, when you buy some content (Music) on your iMac, this in
turn adds it to your iTunes library. If you have the "iCloud Music
Library" button ON (green) (on the iPhone Settings>Music>iCloud Music
Library), then there is no need to connect the phone to the Mac and
synch, you can just open the Music app on the iphone and it will take
a moment and then just synch over the air (within your WiFi or 4G)
your entire library. This doesn't mean the content is downloaded onto
the iPhone, it just means your library metadata is visible for you to
then play it form the phone. It will play via streaming using Wifi or
4G unless you specifically select the Download symbol for that
song/albums that you BUY. Conversely, you can BUY it using the phone
and it then synchs back to the Mac iTunes library.

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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Sent:Mon, 29 Jun 2020 10:14:04 +0800
Subject:Re: Music

 Certainly some things have changed in the Apple music world.
I occasionally buy a few songs from Apple Music.I do this using my
iMac.Then I plug my iPhone 6S (and also my wife’s iPhone SE) into my
iMac and Sync.
But lately, when I Sync iPhones with iMac Music, not all songs
transfer to the iPhones.There seems to be some kind of
“disconnect” between them regarding Music.
Can anyone explain this please ?

On 29 Jun 2020, at 9:29 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
Hi
95% of my music is off cassettes, records and CD’s! I’m not
looking to avoid buying music, or giving it to others so they can
avoid buying it. It’s just the simplicity I had before with iTunes
seems to me to have been removed. I have found solutions to my current
situation, just find the constant changes to shore up their profits
annoying. When I purchased most of my music the costs were excessive
due to their protections, it looks like they are moving towards that
again in one way or another. I was just wondering if there was a
replacement more like iTunes and less like Music.
Kind regards
Peter 

On 29 Jun 2020, at 8:01 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:

Hi Marcus, I think if you press the "buy" button on a song or album,
if you're NOT an Apple Music paid subscriber, then you get to play
that song on your apple device/s anywhere and download to your device
to play where you don't have 4G service - but still constrained to
your Apple devices. If you ARE an Apple Music Subscriber, you don't
have to pay or press Buy on anything more for anything in the entire
Music database which Apple manages because your subscription fee
covers ALL music purchases. This does not include movies, it is just
music. 

It's a similar theme for movies, when you 'buy (rent)' a movie, you
buy the licence to play it for 48 hours (from when you start it) or if
you pay to own the movie, you can play it as many times as you like on
YOUR Apple devices too.

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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To:

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Mon, 29 Jun 2020 07:21:38 +0800
Subject:
Re: Music

Hi Pete,
Is that correct if you buy music  using iTunes, ie pay hard money for
it vs renting through Apple Music?
Cheers 

Marcus 
Marcus Harris
Mobile +61417965618

On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:55 am, Pete  wrote:

Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've
actually only bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You
can't make a CD of it or copy off to any other storage means. 

I'm sure it's in the fine print.

Regards

Pete

On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:

Hi Peter.

I am not certain about this but ….
I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions
about copying it.

On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:

Hi all
Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit
behind the times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put
a song on a usb stick to take somewhere?
Kind regards
Peter
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Re: Music

[Peter Crisp]

Right, agreed Peter, music that you own the content and have imported
into iTunes doesn't have the DRM applied and so I believe you should
be able to make further CD's of that owned content or export to a USB
if you choose.
I have put this to the test just now. A CD (that I bought myself) I
imported years ago in my library, I am able to copy out to a USB no
problem, I can then play it using QuickTime player (to distance from
my iTunes to which I am a Music subscriber) - it plays no problem.
Conversely, a song I exported to the same USB (grabbed from my iTunes
library and an Apply Copyrighted song) the file exported ok, but the
DRM prevents it from being played using QuickTime player, but it will
play off the USB from the iTunes app as my subscription permits this
to be played as I have the 'licence' to play it.
I too have ~300GB of owned music but I just don't need to buy anything
now as I have paid with my subscription - but it obliges me to
maintain this subscription for life (which is what Apple wants) to
continue to have this extra material available or if I cancel my
subscription, I revert to my 300GB owned library. 

Kind Regards

Pete

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Sent:Mon, 29 Jun 2020 09:29:50 +0800
Subject:Re: Music

 Hi
 95% of my music is off cassettes, records and CD’s! I’m not
looking to avoid buying music, or giving it to others so they can
avoid buying it. It’s just the simplicity I had before with iTunes
seems to me to have been removed. I have found solutions to my current
situation, just find the constant changes to shore up their profits
annoying. When I purchased most of my music the costs were excessive
due to their protections, it looks like they are moving towards that
again in one way or another. I was just wondering if there was a
replacement more like iTunes and less like Music.
 Kind regards
 Peter 

 > On 29 Jun 2020, at 8:01 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
 > 
 > Hi Marcus, I think if you press the "buy" button on a song or
album, if you're NOT an Apple Music paid subscriber, then you get to
play that song on your apple device/s anywhere and download to your
device to play where you don't have 4G service - but still constrained
to your Apple devices. If you ARE an Apple Music Subscriber, you don't
have to pay or press Buy on anything more for anything in the entire
Music database which Apple manages because your subscription fee
covers ALL music purchases. This does not include movies, it is just
music. 
 > 
 > It's a similar theme for movies, when you 'buy (rent)' a movie, you
buy the licence to play it for 48 hours (from when you start it) or if
you pay to own the movie, you can play it as many times as you like on
YOUR Apple devices too.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Kind Regards
 > 
 > 
 > Peter Crisp
 > 
 > 
 > - Original Message -
 > From:
 > wamug@wamug.org.au
 > 
 > To:
 > 
 > Cc:
 > 
 > Sent:
 > Mon, 29 Jun 2020 07:21:38 +0800
 > Subject:
 > Re: Music
 > 
 > 
 > Hi Pete,
 > Is that correct if you buy music using iTunes, ie pay hard money
for it vs renting through Apple Music?
 > Cheers 
 > 
 > Marcus 
 > Marcus Harris
 > Mobile +61417965618
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:55 am, Pete  wrote:
 > 
 > Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've
actually only bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You
can't make a CD of it or copy off to any other storage means. 
 > 
 > I'm sure it's in the fine print.
 > 
 > Regards
 > 
 > Pete
 > 
 > On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
 > 
 > Hi Peter.
 > 
 > I am not certain about this but ….
 > I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions
about copying it.
 > 
 > 
 > On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
 > 
 > Hi all
 > Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a
bit behind the times but it appears I can’t access my music like to
put a song on a usb stick to take somewhere?
 > Kind regards
 > Peter
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Re: Music

[Stephen Chape]

Certainly some things have changed in the Apple music world.

I occasionally buy a few songs from Apple Music.
I do this using my iMac.
Then I plug my iPhone 6S (and also my wife’s iPhone SE) into my iMac and Sync.

But lately, when I Sync iPhones with iMac Music, not all songs transfer to the 
iPhones.
There seems to be some kind of “disconnect” between them regarding Music.

Can anyone explain this please ?

> On 29 Jun 2020, at 9:29 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 95% of my music is off cassettes, records and CD’s! I’m not looking to avoid 
> buying music, or giving it to others so they can avoid buying it. It’s just 
> the simplicity I had before with iTunes seems to me to have been removed. I 
> have found solutions to my current situation, just find the constant changes 
> to shore up their profits annoying. When I purchased most of my music the 
> costs were excessive due to their protections, it looks like they are moving 
> towards that again in one way or another. I was just wondering if there was a 
> replacement more like iTunes and less like Music.
> Kind regards
> Peter 
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2020, at 8:01 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marcus, I think if you press the "buy" button on a song or album, if 
>> you're NOT an Apple Music paid subscriber, then you get to play that song on 
>> your apple device/s anywhere and download to your device to play where you 
>> don't have 4G service - but still constrained to your Apple devices. If you 
>> ARE an Apple Music Subscriber, you don't have to pay or press Buy on 
>> anything more for anything in the entire Music database which Apple manages 
>> because your subscription fee covers ALL music purchases. This does not 
>> include movies, it is just music. 
>> 
>> It's a similar theme for movies, when you 'buy (rent)' a movie, you buy the 
>> licence to play it for 48 hours (from when you start it) or if you pay to 
>> own the movie, you can play it as many times as you like on YOUR Apple 
>> devices too.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Crisp
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>> wamug@wamug.org.au
>> 
>> To:
>> 
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Mon, 29 Jun 2020 07:21:38 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: Music
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> Is that correct if you buy music  using iTunes, ie pay hard money for it vs 
>> renting through Apple Music?
>> Cheers 
>> 
>> Marcus 
>> Marcus Harris
>> Mobile +61417965618
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:55 am, Pete  wrote:
>> 
>> Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually only 
>> bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a CD of it or 
>> copy off to any other storage means. 
>> 
>> I'm sure it's in the fine print.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter.
>> 
>> I am not certain about this but ….
>> I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions about 
>> copying it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit behind the 
>> times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put a song on a usb 
>> stick to take somewhere?
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
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Re: Music

[Peter Curtis]

Hi
95% of my music is off cassettes, records and CD’s! I’m not looking to avoid 
buying music, or giving it to others so they can avoid buying it. It’s just the 
simplicity I had before with iTunes seems to me to have been removed. I have 
found solutions to my current situation, just find the constant changes to 
shore up their profits annoying. When I purchased most of my music the costs 
were excessive due to their protections, it looks like they are moving towards 
that again in one way or another. I was just wondering if there was a 
replacement more like iTunes and less like Music.
Kind regards
Peter 

> On 29 Jun 2020, at 8:01 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marcus, I think if you press the "buy" button on a song or album, if 
> you're NOT an Apple Music paid subscriber, then you get to play that song on 
> your apple device/s anywhere and download to your device to play where you 
> don't have 4G service - but still constrained to your Apple devices. If you 
> ARE an Apple Music Subscriber, you don't have to pay or press Buy on anything 
> more for anything in the entire Music database which Apple manages because 
> your subscription fee covers ALL music purchases. This does not include 
> movies, it is just music. 
> 
> It's a similar theme for movies, when you 'buy (rent)' a movie, you buy the 
> licence to play it for 48 hours (from when you start it) or if you pay to own 
> the movie, you can play it as many times as you like on YOUR Apple devices 
> too.
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Mon, 29 Jun 2020 07:21:38 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Music
> 
> 
> Hi Pete,
> Is that correct if you buy music  using iTunes, ie pay hard money for it vs 
> renting through Apple Music?
> Cheers 
> 
> Marcus 
> Marcus Harris
> Mobile +61417965618
> 
>  
> 
> On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:55 am, Pete  wrote:
> 
> Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually only 
> bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a CD of it or 
> copy off to any other storage means. 
> 
> I'm sure it's in the fine print.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter.
> 
> I am not certain about this but ….
> I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions about 
> copying it.
> 
> 
> On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit behind the 
> times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put a song on a usb 
> stick to take somewhere?
> Kind regards
> Peter
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Re: Music

[Juliet Kitson]

Tried to install but blocked from installing by apple
Regards Bill
I will get in touch with the supplier and ask mp3 files.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:41 AM Peter Hinchliffe 
wrote:

>
>
> > On 29 Jun 2020, at 7:48 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
> >
> > Hell All
> > While on the subject of music I just purchased a download of an album
> from Ireland but it came as a zip when unzipped it came as wma files is
> there a way to convert to MP3 so I can play it in  Itunes. Regards Bill
>
> Try All2MP3 (https://all2mp3.en.softonic.com/mac). Despite the user
> reviews I’ve had very good results with this for many years. You could also
> try Music Converter from the same site (
> https://music-converter-mac.en.softonic.com/mac), which seems to have
> more positive comments.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
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[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 29 Jun 2020, at 7:48 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
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> Hell All
> While on the subject of music I just purchased a download of an album from 
> Ireland but it came as a zip when unzipped it came as wma files is there a 
> way to convert to MP3 so I can play it in  Itunes. Regards Bill

Try All2MP3 (https://all2mp3.en.softonic.com/mac). Despite the user reviews 
I’ve had very good results with this for many years. You could also try Music 
Converter from the same site (https://music-converter-mac.en.softonic.com/mac), 
which seems to have more positive comments.



Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: Music

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Marcus, I think if you press the "buy" button on a song or album,
if you're NOT an Apple Music paid subscriber, then you get to play
that song on your apple device/s anywhere and download to your device
to play where you don't have 4G service - but still constrained to
your Apple devices. If you ARE an Apple Music Subscriber, you don't
have to pay or press Buy on anything more for anything in the entire
Music database which Apple manages because your subscription fee
covers ALL music purchases. This does not include movies, it is just
music. 
It's a similar theme for movies, when you 'buy (rent)' a movie, you
buy the licence to play it for 48 hours (from when you start it) or if
you pay to own the movie, you can play it as many times as you like on
YOUR Apple devices too.

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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Sent:Mon, 29 Jun 2020 07:21:38 +0800
Subject:Re: Music

 Hi Pete,Is that correct if you buy music  using iTunes, ie pay hard
money for it vs renting through Apple Music?Cheers 

Marcus Marcus HarrisMobile +61417965618

 
On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:55 am, Pete  wrote:

Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've
actually only bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You
can't make a CD of it or copy off to any other storage means. 
I'm sure it's in the fine print.

Regards
Pete
On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:

Hi Peter.
I am not certain about this but ….I think if you bought the music
from Apple, there are restrictions about copying it.

On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
Hi all
Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit
behind the times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put
a song on a usb stick to take somewhere?
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Re: Music

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Ronni, it will be more fun to read these terms and conditions
than watch the AFL right now! 
Many people eschew the use of the Apple ecosystem for this and many
other reasons. I am quite ok with it and have a Family Music
subscription which almost all my family utilise heavily and daily. It
has changed our way of living with music from the 80's when CD's and
cassettes were widely used to play in cars etc. Even now in the
Android environment you're obliged to subscribe to Spotify (I think,
unless you want the order set by Spotify and adverts) or other
streaming services but maybe there are still ways to play anything you
like for free. It is all about supporting the artists that put their
effort into producing it. Fair enough I reckon.

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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Sent:Mon, 29 Jun 2020 07:09:06 +0800
Subject:Re: Music

 Yes Peter and Stephen you are correct.“If you BUY a
digital MUSIC track or album from the ITUNES store or one of its
competitors, you don't OWN it. Instead, you're BUYING a license to
play that track or album, and that license comes with an extremely
limited set of rights.”

https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html [1]

Kind Regards,

Ronni

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On 29 Jun 2020, at 6:55 am, Pete  wrote:

Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've
actually only bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You
can't make a CD of it or copy off to any other storage means. 
I'm sure it's in the fine print.

Regards
Pete
On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:

Hi Peter.
I am not certain about this but ….I think if you bought the music
from Apple, there are restrictions about copying it.

On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
Hi all
Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit
behind the times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put
a song on a usb stick to take somewhere?
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[Pete]

Correct Stephen. If you 'buy' your music from Apple, you've actually only 
bought the right to play it on an Apple device. You can't make a CD of it or 
copy off to any other storage means. 

I'm sure it's in the fine print.

Regards

Pete

> On 28 Jun 2020, at 10:29 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter.
> 
> I am not certain about this but ….
> I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions about 
> copying it.
> 
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit behind the 
>> times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put a song on a usb 
>> stick to take somewhere?
>> Kind regards
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[Stephen Chape]

Hi Peter.

I am not certain about this but ….
I think if you bought the music from Apple, there are restrictions about 
copying it.


> On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:45 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> Is there an alternative to ‘Music’ on the Mac? I know I’m a bit behind the 
> times but it appears I can’t access my music like to put a song on a usb 
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Hi Daniel,

Yes your email displays perfectly for me also.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 23 Jun 2020, at 8:28 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
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> Hi Brian
> 
> I just went back and looked, and it’s fine on mine??
> And on the archives one, it’s fine as well - 
> https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg83116.html
> 
> Think something weird gets down with your emails? (From me at least? Lol)……
> I use a different signature for wamug, so some of my details get “adjusted”……
> 
> Thanks though.
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone XS 
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>> On 23 Jun 2020, at 7:37 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
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>> Hi Daniel 
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>> The w is missing from your izardry.com
>> 
>> On your mail out
>> 
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Hi Brian

I just went back and looked, and it’s fine on mine??
And on the archives one, it’s fine as well - 
https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg83116.html

Think something weird gets down with your emails? (From me at least? Lol)……
I use a different signature for wamug, so some of my details get “adjusted”……

Thanks though.
Kind regards
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Hi Daniel
Sorry, only have Catalina available. No use of hubs.
Peter

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 10:43 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
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> Hi Peter
> 
> I’ve seen that once before and just trying to recall how I resolved it - 
> can’t recall exactly at the moment.
> One thing to try (but I might be thinking of another job) - try connecting to 
> them to a Mojave or earlier computer if you have it,…one not running 
> Catalina. See if the devices show up in iTunes. Then you’ll know there are 
> connecting.
> Then plug it back in to the computer (make sure it’s a direct connection to 
> the computer, not through any hubs or anything like that - just cable from 
> iPhone straight to computer). Then see if it shows up.
> Otherwise may need a “connection reset” of sorts,….
> 
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>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 10:11 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
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>> Hi Daniel
>> I’ve still to read your recommended link and will do so tomorrow, but from 
>> what I’ve seen of it, it also says it will appear in the Finder window with 
>> perhaps a request to pair or trust the item but because it doesn’t show in 
>> the Finder window it can’t be paired or trusted?
>> The iPhone doesn’t show in the Finder window, nor does my iPad? and I’ve 
>> used two different cables to make sure. The iPhone and the iPad show up in 
>> Photo’s so it shouldn’t be the connection, but what?
>> I’ll read the recommended link in full tomorrow
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:44 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter (and Stephen).
>>> 
>>> Mojave still uses iTunes.
>>> Music didn’t come into it, until Catalina (10.15).
>>> 
>>> To backup your device in Catalina, you now do it in the Finder.
>>> When you plug in your phone to the computer, open a Finder window (or just 
>>> click anything to open a window). The iPhone will be listed in the s

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Thanks Daniel.
Gosh I must be losing it today.
I also use Catalina (not Mohave).

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:44 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
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> Hi Peter (and Stephen).
> 
> Mojave still uses iTunes.
> Music didn’t come into it, until Catalina (10.15).
> 
> To backup your device in Catalina, you now do it in the Finder.
> When you plug in your phone to the computer, open a Finder window (or just 
> click anything to open a window). The iPhone will be listed in the sidebar 
> now. And from there you can access the settings and do a backup.
> This link may help a bit more as well - 
> https://www.macworld.com/article/3410567/how-you-back-up-your-iphone-and-ipad-in-macos-10-15-catalina.html
> 
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>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:14 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I’m using the latest 10.15.5 
>> Can’t figure it out! Thanks anyway Stephen.
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 7:39 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi again Peter.
>>> 
>>> The cable that you use to charge your iPhone should be the one.
>>> The Firewire end goes into the iPhone and the USB end goes into the Mac.
>>> 
>>> What MacOS are you using ?
>>> For Mohave you need to use Music on the Mac.
>>> For older OS’s you need to use iTunes.
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:15 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
 
 Hi
 I’ve plugged in using a USB connection rather than Lightning, older phone 
 6SE and about a 3 yr old MacBookPro.
 Doesn’t show up on my brothers new MacBook with his iPhone 6S, or my 
 iPhone SE? 
 Surely they aren’t too old?
 Peter
 
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:06 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Well that is very strange.
> 
> So you have plugged your iPhone into your Mac using the Lightning Cable ?
> Then On your Mac you open Music in the Dock.
> But your iPhone does not show on the left menu ?
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:00 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry Stephen, I wasn’t very clear. It doesn’t show up in Music, but it 
>> does show up in Photo’s to allow me to download my photographs I 
>> suppose. But definitely not in Music???
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:55 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep.
>>> On your Mac open Music in the Dock (NOT Photos).
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:52 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
 
 Hi Stephen
 Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, 
 but when following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up in 
 Photo’s, could you think of what I might be doing wrong?
 Thanks 
 Peter
 
> On 14 Jun 2020, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
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> Hi Alan.
> 
> Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
> On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
> In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
> Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
> Backup should be available there.
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not 
>> just music.
>> 
>> Where and how do I do it now?
>> 
>> From Alan.
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Re: Backup iPhone

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Peter

I’ve seen that once before and just trying to recall how I resolved it - can’t 
recall exactly at the moment.
One thing to try (but I might be thinking of another job) - try connecting to 
them to a Mojave or earlier computer if you have it,…one not running Catalina. 
See if the devices show up in iTunes. Then you’ll know there are connecting.
Then plug it back in to the computer (make sure it’s a direct connection to the 
computer, not through any hubs or anything like that - just cable from iPhone 
straight to computer). Then see if it shows up.
Otherwise may need a “connection reset” of sorts,….

Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 17 Jun 2020, at 10:11 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel
> I’ve still to read your recommended link and will do so tomorrow, but from 
> what I’ve seen of it, it also says it will appear in the Finder window with 
> perhaps a request to pair or trust the item but because it doesn’t show in 
> the Finder window it can’t be paired or trusted?
> The iPhone doesn’t show in the Finder window, nor does my iPad? and I’ve used 
> two different cables to make sure. The iPhone and the iPad show up in Photo’s 
> so it shouldn’t be the connection, but what?
> I’ll read the recommended link in full tomorrow
> Kind regards
> Peter
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:44 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter (and Stephen).
>> 
>> Mojave still uses iTunes.
>> Music didn’t come into it, until Catalina (10.15).
>> 
>> To backup your device in Catalina, you now do it in the Finder.
>> When you plug in your phone to the computer, open a Finder window (or just 
>> click anything to open a window). The iPhone will be listed in the sidebar 
>> now. And from there you can access the settings and do a backup.
>> This link may help a bit more as well - 
>> https://www.macworld.com/article/3410567/how-you-back-up-your-iphone-and-ipad-in-macos-10-15-catalina.html
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> ---
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>> 
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>> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of 
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>> warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any 
>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that 
>> permission by the author be requested. 
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:14 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I’m using the latest 10.15.5 
>>> Can’t figure it out! Thanks anyway Stephen.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 7:39 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
 
 Hi again Peter.
 
 The cable that you use to charge your iPhone should be the one.
 The Firewire end goes into the iPhone and the USB end goes into the Mac.
 
 What MacOS are you using ?
 For Mohave you need to use Music on the Mac.
 For older OS’s you need to use iTunes.
 
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:15 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I’ve plugged in using a USB connection rather than Lightning, older phone 
> 6SE and about a 3 yr old MacBookPro.
> Doesn’t show up on my brothers new MacBook with his iPhone 6S, or my 
> iPhone SE? 
> Surely they aren’t too old?
> Peter
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:06 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Well that is very strange.
>> 
>> So you have plugged your iPhone into your Mac using the Lightning Cable ?
>> Then On your Mac you open Music in the Dock.
>> But your iPhone does not show on the left menu ?
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:00 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry Stephen, I wasn’t very clear. It doesn’t show up in Music, but it 
>>> does show up in Photo’s to allow me to download my photographs I 
>>> suppose. But definitely not in Music???
>>> Peter
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:55 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
 
 Yep.
 On your Mac open Music in the Dock (NOT Photos).
 
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:52 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen
> Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, 
> but when following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up 
> in Photo’s, could you think of what I might be doing 

Re: Backup iPhone

[Peter Curtis]

Hi Daniel
I’ve still to read your recommended link and will do so tomorrow, but from what 
I’ve seen of it, it also says it will appear in the Finder window with perhaps 
a request to pair or trust the item but because it doesn’t show in the Finder 
window it can’t be paired or trusted?
The iPhone doesn’t show in the Finder window, nor does my iPad? and I’ve used 
two different cables to make sure. The iPhone and the iPad show up in Photo’s 
so it shouldn’t be the connection, but what?
I’ll read the recommended link in full tomorrow
Kind regards
Peter

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:44 pm, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter (and Stephen).
> 
> Mojave still uses iTunes.
> Music didn’t come into it, until Catalina (10.15).
> 
> To backup your device in Catalina, you now do it in the Finder.
> When you plug in your phone to the computer, open a Finder window (or just 
> click anything to open a window). The iPhone will be listed in the sidebar 
> now. And from there you can access the settings and do a backup.
> This link may help a bit more as well - 
> https://www.macworld.com/article/3410567/how-you-back-up-your-iphone-and-ipad-in-macos-10-15-catalina.html
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> ---
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>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:14 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I’m using the latest 10.15.5 
>> Can’t figure it out! Thanks anyway Stephen.
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 7:39 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi again Peter.
>>> 
>>> The cable that you use to charge your iPhone should be the one.
>>> The Firewire end goes into the iPhone and the USB end goes into the Mac.
>>> 
>>> What MacOS are you using ?
>>> For Mohave you need to use Music on the Mac.
>>> For older OS’s you need to use iTunes.
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:15 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
 
 Hi
 I’ve plugged in using a USB connection rather than Lightning, older phone 
 6SE and about a 3 yr old MacBookPro.
 Doesn’t show up on my brothers new MacBook with his iPhone 6S, or my 
 iPhone SE? 
 Surely they aren’t too old?
 Peter
 
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:06 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Well that is very strange.
> 
> So you have plugged your iPhone into your Mac using the Lightning Cable ?
> Then On your Mac you open Music in the Dock.
> But your iPhone does not show on the left menu ?
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:00 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry Stephen, I wasn’t very clear. It doesn’t show up in Music, but it 
>> does show up in Photo’s to allow me to download my photographs I 
>> suppose. But definitely not in Music???
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:55 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep.
>>> On your Mac open Music in the Dock (NOT Photos).
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:52 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
 
 Hi Stephen
 Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, 
 but when following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up in 
 Photo’s, could you think of what I might be doing wrong?
 Thanks 
 Peter
 
> On 14 Jun 2020, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan.
> 
> Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
> On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
> In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
> Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
> Backup should be available there.
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not 
>> just music.
>> 
>> Where and how do I do it now?
>> 
>> From Alan.
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> Stephen Chape
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Re: Backup iPhone

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Peter (and Stephen).

Mojave still uses iTunes.
Music didn’t come into it, until Catalina (10.15).

To backup your device in Catalina, you now do it in the Finder.
When you plug in your phone to the computer, open a Finder window (or just 
click anything to open a window). The iPhone will be listed in the sidebar now. 
And from there you can access the settings and do a backup.
This link may help a bit more as well - 
https://www.macworld.com/article/3410567/how-you-back-up-your-iphone-and-ipad-in-macos-10-15-catalina.html

Kind regards
Daniel

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MacWizardry

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Email: 
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such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:14 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I’m using the latest 10.15.5 
> Can’t figure it out! Thanks anyway Stephen.
> Kind regards
> Peter
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 7:39 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again Peter.
>> 
>> The cable that you use to charge your iPhone should be the one.
>> The Firewire end goes into the iPhone and the USB end goes into the Mac.
>> 
>> What MacOS are you using ?
>> For Mohave you need to use Music on the Mac.
>> For older OS’s you need to use iTunes.
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:15 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I’ve plugged in using a USB connection rather than Lightning, older phone 
>>> 6SE and about a 3 yr old MacBookPro.
>>> Doesn’t show up on my brothers new MacBook with his iPhone 6S, or my iPhone 
>>> SE? 
>>> Surely they aren’t too old?
>>> Peter
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:06 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
 
 Well that is very strange.
 
 So you have plugged your iPhone into your Mac using the Lightning Cable ?
 Then On your Mac you open Music in the Dock.
 But your iPhone does not show on the left menu ?
 
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:00 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Sorry Stephen, I wasn’t very clear. It doesn’t show up in Music, but it 
> does show up in Photo’s to allow me to download my photographs I suppose. 
> But definitely not in Music???
> Peter
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:55 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep.
>> On your Mac open Music in the Dock (NOT Photos).
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:52 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Stephen
>>> Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, but 
>>> when following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up in 
>>> Photo’s, could you think of what I might be doing wrong?
>>> Thanks 
>>> Peter
>>> 
 On 14 Jun 2020, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
 
 Hi Alan.
 
 Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
 On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
 In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
 Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
 Backup should be available there.
 
> On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not 
> just music.
> 
> Where and how do I do it now?
> 
> From Alan.
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Re: Backup iPhone

[Peter Curtis]

Hi
I’m using the latest 10.15.5 
Can’t figure it out! Thanks anyway Stephen.
Kind regards
Peter

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 7:39 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi again Peter.
> 
> The cable that you use to charge your iPhone should be the one.
> The Firewire end goes into the iPhone and the USB end goes into the Mac.
> 
> What MacOS are you using ?
> For Mohave you need to use Music on the Mac.
> For older OS’s you need to use iTunes.
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:15 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I’ve plugged in using a USB connection rather than Lightning, older phone 
>> 6SE and about a 3 yr old MacBookPro.
>> Doesn’t show up on my brothers new MacBook with his iPhone 6S, or my iPhone 
>> SE? 
>> Surely they aren’t too old?
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:06 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well that is very strange.
>>> 
>>> So you have plugged your iPhone into your Mac using the Lightning Cable ?
>>> Then On your Mac you open Music in the Dock.
>>> But your iPhone does not show on the left menu ?
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:00 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
 
 Sorry Stephen, I wasn’t very clear. It doesn’t show up in Music, but it 
 does show up in Photo’s to allow me to download my photographs I suppose. 
 But definitely not in Music???
 Peter
 
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:55 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Yep.
> On your Mac open Music in the Dock (NOT Photos).
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:52 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Stephen
>> Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, but 
>> when following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up in 
>> Photo’s, could you think of what I might be doing wrong?
>> Thanks 
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alan.
>>> 
>>> Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
>>> On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
>>> In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
>>> Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
>>> Backup should be available there.
>>> 
 On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
 
 Hello
 I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not 
 just music.
 
 Where and how do I do it now?
 
 From Alan.
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>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>> 
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Re: Backup iPhone

[Stephen Chape]

Hi again Peter.

The cable that you use to charge your iPhone should be the one.
The Firewire end goes into the iPhone and the USB end goes into the Mac.

What MacOS are you using ?
For Mohave you need to use Music on the Mac.
For older OS’s you need to use iTunes.

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:15 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I’ve plugged in using a USB connection rather than Lightning, older phone 6SE 
> and about a 3 yr old MacBookPro.
> Doesn’t show up on my brothers new MacBook with his iPhone 6S, or my iPhone 
> SE? 
> Surely they aren’t too old?
> Peter
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:06 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Well that is very strange.
>> 
>> So you have plugged your iPhone into your Mac using the Lightning Cable ?
>> Then On your Mac you open Music in the Dock.
>> But your iPhone does not show on the left menu ?
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:00 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry Stephen, I wasn’t very clear. It doesn’t show up in Music, but it 
>>> does show up in Photo’s to allow me to download my photographs I suppose. 
>>> But definitely not in Music???
>>> Peter
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:55 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
 
 Yep.
 On your Mac open Music in the Dock (NOT Photos).
 
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:52 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen
> Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, but 
> when following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up in 
> Photo’s, could you think of what I might be doing wrong?
> Thanks 
> Peter
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alan.
>> 
>> Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
>> On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
>> In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
>> Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
>> Backup should be available there.
>> 
>>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello
>>> I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not 
>>> just music.
>>> 
>>> Where and how do I do it now?
>>> 
>>> From Alan.
>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>>> Archives - 
>>> Guidelines - 
>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
>> 
>> 
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Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac

[Adam Lippiatt]

Hi Neil

Thanks a lot for this.  I hadn’t thought about family subscriptions or getting 
them through Officeworks.  They offer a good price if there is more than one of 
you.

I also forgot that you get the iOS, Android and Windows versions as well.

Thank you.

Adam



> On 17 Jun 2020, at 1:32 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Adam,
>  
> Yes, I use Outlook – not because I actually have any problem with Apple Mail 
> but more because I have stuck with Entourage & then Outlook since the days 
> when Apple Mail wasn’t as good an option. Mainly though, back in the day, I 
> used email much more at work than at home - and work was generally MS based.
>  
> I also got very familiar with setting up various email rules – POP rules, 
> IMAP rules, server-side rules to direct emails from (at times) up to around 
> 15 different email accounts into various relevant folders. I have less email 
> accounts to worry about now - but still use rules a lot. Now, no doubt, Apple 
> Mail would let me achieve all the same things – but I have decades of 
> experience with the Entourage/Outlook methods – and plenty off learning 
> curves to ascend as it is, I don’t need to add any more without sufficient 
> reason!
>  
> Another plus - recently Georgie decided to replace her (very) old iPhone with 
> an Android phone – setting up Outlook on the Android phone was pretty much 
> just the same as on IOS.
>  
>  
> As I recently posted, I finally moved to the subscription model for Office 
> and, regarding the cost, I would also note that my Office 365 subscription 
> covers up to 6 people and up to 6 TB of cloud storage (1 TB per person) – 
> whereas if you want more than 5GB/person of iCloud storage you have to pay 
> for it and if you need more than 200Gb you have to jump to $15/person to get 
> 2TB each. We only actually use 2 of the 6 – but it still seems OK to me - 
> also, don’t forget, you can pretty much always find Office 365 subscriptions 
> cheaper than the standard MS price (I generally use Officeworks).
>  
> However, as with all these things, it really depends on what features you 
> want/need, how you intend to use them and across what spread of 
> users/devices/operating systems – what works best for me may well be 
> different to the best solution for other folks – despite marketing department 
> hopes/assumptions, I doubt there is such a thing as the mythical “typical 
> user” but even if this mythical creature exists, it sure ain’t me!!
>  
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
>  
> Neil
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From:  <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au>> on behalf of Adam 
> Lippiatt mailto:adam.lippi...@me.com>>
> Reply-To: mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Date: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:49
> To: mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac
>  
> Great price!  I have been using Office 365 for a number of years now and I am 
> not sure of the value of that at $99 per year.  I know at that price it 
> includes Outlook, but I never use it.  
>  
> [Does anyone use Outlook because, for instance, it is so much better than 
> Apple Mail?]
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Adam
>  
>  
>  
> _
> Adam Lippiatt
> adam.lippi...@me.com <mailto:adam.lippi...@me.com>
> 0402 301 706 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:49 am, Stephen Chape > <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Yes it is Peter.
>>  
>> But my apologies .. it was MS Office 2019 I got for that price.
>> I put the wrong year in my header.
>>  
>> I was running 2016 which is also 64 bit.
>> But my daughter’s new iMac would no longer run her 2011 MS Office.
>> So I got MS Office 2019 and passed my 2016 on to her.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:15 am, Peter Curtis >> <mailto:pe...@augold.com.au>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi
>>> Is that a 64bit program?
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Jun 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape >>> <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>  
>>>> Just wanted to let you know that I got a great deal online from Software 
>>>> Depot for the above.
>>>> It cost AU$124.99 and includes a valid Software KEY.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Stephen Chape
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
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Re: Backup iPhone

[Peter Curtis]

Hi
I’ve plugged in using a USB connection rather than Lightning, older phone 6SE 
and about a 3 yr old MacBookPro.
Doesn’t show up on my brothers new MacBook with his iPhone 6S, or my iPhone SE? 
Surely they aren’t too old?
Peter

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:06 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Well that is very strange.
> 
> So you have plugged your iPhone into your Mac using the Lightning Cable ?
> Then On your Mac you open Music in the Dock.
> But your iPhone does not show on the left menu ?
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:00 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry Stephen, I wasn’t very clear. It doesn’t show up in Music, but it does 
>> show up in Photo’s to allow me to download my photographs I suppose. But 
>> definitely not in Music???
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:55 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep.
>>> On your Mac open Music in the Dock (NOT Photos).
>>> 
 On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:52 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
 
 Hi Stephen
 Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, but 
 when following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up in 
 Photo’s, could you think of what I might be doing wrong?
 Thanks 
 Peter
 
> On 14 Jun 2020, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan.
> 
> Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
> On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
> In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
> Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
> Backup should be available there.
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not just 
>> music.
>> 
>> Where and how do I do it now?
>> 
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Well that is very strange.

So you have plugged your iPhone into your Mac using the Lightning Cable ?
Then On your Mac you open Music in the Dock.
But your iPhone does not show on the left menu ?

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 6:00 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Sorry Stephen, I wasn’t very clear. It doesn’t show up in Music, but it does 
> show up in Photo’s to allow me to download my photographs I suppose. But 
> definitely not in Music???
> Peter
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:55 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep.
>> On your Mac open Music in the Dock (NOT Photos).
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:52 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Stephen
>>> Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, but 
>>> when following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up in Photo’s, 
>>> could you think of what I might be doing wrong?
>>> Thanks 
>>> Peter
>>> 
 On 14 Jun 2020, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
 
 Hi Alan.
 
 Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
 On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
 In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
 Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
 Backup should be available there.
 
> On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not just 
> music.
> 
> Where and how do I do it now?
> 
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[Peter Curtis]

Sorry Stephen, I wasn’t very clear. It doesn’t show up in Music, but it does 
show up in Photo’s to allow me to download my photographs I suppose. But 
definitely not in Music???
Peter

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:55 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Yep.
> On your Mac open Music in the Dock (NOT Photos).
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:52 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Stephen
>> Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, but when 
>> following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up in Photo’s, could 
>> you think of what I might be doing wrong?
>> Thanks 
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alan.
>>> 
>>> Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
>>> On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
>>> In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
>>> Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
>>> Backup should be available there.
>>> 
 On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
 
 Hello
 I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not just 
 music.
 
 Where and how do I do it now?
 
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[Stephen Chape]

Yep.
On your Mac open Music in the Dock (NOT Photos).

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 5:52 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen
> Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, but when 
> following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up in Photo’s, could 
> you think of what I might be doing wrong?
> Thanks 
> Peter
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alan.
>> 
>> Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
>> On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
>> In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
>> Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
>> Backup should be available there.
>> 
>>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello
>>> I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not just 
>>> music.
>>> 
>>> Where and how do I do it now?
>>> 
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Re: Backup iPhone

[Peter Curtis]

Hi Stephen
Seeing this post made me think of checking the backup of my iphone, but when 
following your instructions my iPhone just doesn’t show up in Photo’s, could 
you think of what I might be doing wrong?
Thanks 
Peter

> On 14 Jun 2020, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan.
> 
> Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
> On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
> In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
> Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
> Backup should be available there.
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not just 
>> music.
>> 
>> Where and how do I do it now?
>> 
>> From Alan.
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Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac

[Adam Lippiatt]

Great price!  I have been using Office 365 for a number of years now and I am 
not sure of the value of that at $99 per year.  I know at that price it 
includes Outlook, but I never use it.  

[Does anyone use Outlook because, for instance, it is so much better than Apple 
Mail?]

Thanks

Adam



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> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:49 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Yes it is Peter.
> 
> But my apologies .. it was MS Office 2019 I got for that price.
> I put the wrong year in my header.
> 
> I was running 2016 which is also 64 bit.
> But my daughter’s new iMac would no longer run her 2011 MS Office.
> So I got MS Office 2019 and passed my 2016 on to her.
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:15 am, Peter Curtis > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> Is that a 64bit program?
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 16 Jun 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to let you know that I got a great deal online from Software 
>>> Depot for the above.
>>> It cost AU$124.99 and includes a valid Software KEY.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac

[Stephen Chape]

Sorry folks.
I keep remembering things.
The MS Office version I got is Home & Student (so no Outlook).
But I am sure Software Depot sell the Business version too.

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 1:52 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Neil's synopsis of history - if you have used one of the 
> applications for many years then you build your understanding of it over 
> those years and feel comfortable with it. I have necessarily needed to use 
> Outlook for my work in a Windows environment but I still use Mail on my home 
> MBP. I find both easy to use but Outlook is quite a bit more advanced (in the 
> Windows world) than Mail is on OSX. But Mail is still more than capable to do 
> all I need of it privately.  
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:32:40 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac
> 
> 
> Hi Adam,
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yes, I use Outlook – not because I actually have any problem with Apple Mail 
> but more because I have stuck with Entourage & then Outlook since the days 
> when Apple Mail wasn’t as good an option. Mainly though, back in the day, I 
> used email much more at work than at home - and work was generally MS based.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> I also got very familiar with setting up various email rules – POP rules, 
> IMAP rules, server-side rules to direct emails from (at times) up to around 
> 15 different email accounts into various relevant folders. I have less email 
> accounts to worry about now - but still use rules a lot. Now, no doubt, Apple 
> Mail would let me achieve all the same things – but I have decades of 
> experience with the Entourage/Outlook methods – and plenty off learning 
> curves to ascend as it is, I don’t need to add any more without sufficient 
> reason!
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Another plus - recently Georgie decided to replace her (very) old iPhone with 
> an Android phone – setting up Outlook on the Android phone was pretty much 
> just the same as on IOS.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> As I recently posted, I finally moved to the subscription model for Office 
> and, regarding the cost, I would also note that my Office 365 subscription 
> covers up to 6 people and up to 6 TB of cloud storage (1 TB per person) – 
> whereas if you want more than 5GB/person of iCloud storage you have to pay 
> for it and if you need more than 200Gb you have to jump to $15/person to get 
> 2TB each. We only actually use 2 of the 6 – but it still seems OK to me - 
> also, don’t forget, you can pretty much always find Office 365 subscriptions 
> cheaper than the standard MS price (I generally use Officeworks).
> 
> 
> 
>  
> However, as with all these things, it really depends on what features you 
> want/need, how you intend to use them and across what spread of 
> users/devices/operating systems – what works best for me may well be 
> different to the best solution for other folks – despite marketing department 
> hopes/assumptions, I doubt there is such a thing as the mythical “typical 
> user” but even if this mythical creature exists, it sure ain’t me!!
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> Neil
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> From:  on behalf of Adam 
> Lippiatt 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:49
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Great price!  I have been using Office 365 for a number of years now and I am 
> not sure of the value of that at $99 per year.  I know at that price it 
> includes Outlook, but I never use it.  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> [Does anyone use Outlook because, for instance, it is so much better than 
> Apple Mail?]
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> _
> 
> 
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> 0402 301 706
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:49 am, Stephen Chape  <mailto:chap...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yes it is Peter.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> But my apologies .. it was MS Office 2019 I got for that price.
> 
> 
> I put the wrong year in my header.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> I was running 2016 which is also 64 bit.
> 
> 
> But my daughter’s new iMac would no longer run her 2011 MS Office.
> 
> 
> So I got MS Office 2019 and passed my 2016 on to her.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:15 am, Peter Curtis  <mailt

Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac

[Peter Crisp]

I agree with Neil's synopsis of history - if you have used one of the
applications for many years then you build your understanding of it
over those years and feel comfortable with it. I have necessarily
needed to use Outlook for my work in a Windows environment but I still
use Mail on my home MBP. I find both easy to use but Outlook is quite
a bit more advanced (in the Windows world) than Mail is on OSX. But
Mail is still more than capable to do all I need of it privately.  

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:32:40 +0800
Subject:Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac

Hi Adam,

 

Yes, I use Outlook – not because I actually have any problem with
Apple Mail but more because I have stuck with Entourage & then Outlook
since the days when Apple Mail wasn’t as good an option. Mainly
though, back in the day, I used email much more at work than at home -
and work was generally MS based.

 

I also got very familiar with setting up various email rules – POP
rules, IMAP rules, server-side rules to direct emails from (at times)
up to around 15 different email accounts into various relevant
folders. I have less email accounts to worry about now - but still use
rules a lot. Now, no doubt, Apple Mail would let me achieve all the
same things – but I have decades of experience with the
Entourage/Outlook methods – and plenty off learning curves to ascend
as it is, I don’t need to add any more without sufficient reason!

 

Another plus - recently Georgie decided to replace her (very) old
iPhone with an Android phone – setting up Outlook on the Android
phone was pretty much just the same as on IOS.

 

 

As I recently posted, I finally moved to the subscription model for
Office and, regarding the cost, I would also note that my Office 365
subscription covers up to 6 people and up to 6 TB of cloud storage (1
TB per person) – whereas if you want more than 5GB/person of iCloud
storage you have to pay for it and if you need more than 200Gb you
have to jump to $15/person to get 2TB each. We only actually use 2 of
the 6 – but it still seems OK to me - also, don’t forget, you can
pretty much always find Office 365 subscriptions cheaper than the
standard MS price (I generally use Officeworks).

 

However, as with all these things, it really depends on what features
you want/need, how you intend to use them and across what spread of
users/devices/operating systems – what works best for me may well be
different to the best solution for other folks – despite marketing
department hopes/assumptions, I doubt there is such a thing as the
mythical “typical user” but even if this mythical creature exists,
it sure ain’t me!!

 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

Neil

 

 

 

 

FROM:  on behalf of Adam Lippiatt 
REPLY-TO: 
DATE: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:49
TO: 
SUBJECT: Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac

 

Great price!  I have been using Office 365 for a number of years now
and I am not sure of the value of that at $99 per year.  I know at
that price it includes Outlook, but I never use it.  

 

[Does anyone use Outlook because, for instance, it is so much better
than Apple Mail?]

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

 

 

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On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:49 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:

 

Yes it is Peter.

 

But my apologies .. it was MS Office 2019 I got for that price.

I put the wrong year in my header.

 

I was running 2016 which is also 64 bit.

But my daughter’s new iMac would no longer run her 2011 MS Office.

So I got MS Office 2019 and passed my 2016 on to her.

On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:15 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:

 

Hi

Is that a 64bit program?

Kind regards

Peter

On 16 Jun 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:

Hi folks.

 

Just wanted to let you know that I got a great deal online from
Software Depot for the above.

It cost AU$124.99 and includes a valid Software KEY.

Regards,
Stephen Chape

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Adam,

 

Yes, I use Outlook – not because I actually have any problem with Apple Mail 
but more because I have stuck with Entourage & then Outlook since the days when 
Apple Mail wasn’t as good an option. Mainly though, back in the day, I used 
email much more at work than at home - and work was generally MS based.

 

I also got very familiar with setting up various email rules – POP rules, IMAP 
rules, server-side rules to direct emails from (at times) up to around 15 
different email accounts into various relevant folders. I have less email 
accounts to worry about now - but still use rules a lot. Now, no doubt, Apple 
Mail would let me achieve all the same things – but I have decades of 
experience with the Entourage/Outlook methods – and plenty off learning curves 
to ascend as it is, I don’t need to add any more without sufficient reason!

 

Another plus - recently Georgie decided to replace her (very) old iPhone with 
an Android phone – setting up Outlook on the Android phone was pretty much just 
the same as on IOS.

 

 

As I recently posted, I finally moved to the subscription model for Office and, 
regarding the cost, I would also note that my Office 365 subscription covers up 
to 6 people and up to 6 TB of cloud storage (1 TB per person) – whereas if you 
want more than 5GB/person of iCloud storage you have to pay for it and if you 
need more than 200Gb you have to jump to $15/person to get 2TB each. We only 
actually use 2 of the 6 – but it still seems OK to me - also, don’t forget, you 
can pretty much always find Office 365 subscriptions cheaper than the standard 
MS price (I generally use Officeworks).

 

However, as with all these things, it really depends on what features you 
want/need, how you intend to use them and across what spread of 
users/devices/operating systems – what works best for me may well be different 
to the best solution for other folks – despite marketing department 
hopes/assumptions, I doubt there is such a thing as the mythical “typical user” 
but even if this mythical creature exists, it sure ain’t me!!

 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

Neil

 

 

 

 

From:  on behalf of Adam 
Lippiatt 
Reply-To: 
Date: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:49
To: 
Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac

 

Great price!  I have been using Office 365 for a number of years now and I am 
not sure of the value of that at $99 per year.  I know at that price it 
includes Outlook, but I never use it.  

 

[Does anyone use Outlook because, for instance, it is so much better than Apple 
Mail?]

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

 

 

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On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:49 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:

 

Yes it is Peter.

 

But my apologies .. it was MS Office 2019 I got for that price.

I put the wrong year in my header.

 

I was running 2016 which is also 64 bit.

But my daughter’s new iMac would no longer run her 2011 MS Office.

So I got MS Office 2019 and passed my 2016 on to her.



On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:15 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:

 

Hi

Is that a 64bit program?

Kind regards

Peter




On 16 Jun 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:

Hi folks.

 

Just wanted to let you know that I got a great deal online from Software Depot 
for the above.

It cost AU$124.99 and includes a valid Software KEY.


Regards,
Stephen Chape

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac

[Rosemary Spark]

No way! I have to use Outlook for my uni mail. It is very clunky. In fact,
I usually use gmail...works for me.
Rosemary Spark
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 10:49, Adam Lippiatt  wrote:

> Great price!  I have been using Office 365 for a number of years now and I
> am not sure of the value of that at $99 per year.  I know at that price it
> includes Outlook, but I never use it.
>
> [Does anyone use Outlook because, for instance, it is so much better than
> Apple Mail?]
>
> Thanks
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> _
> Adam Lippiatt
> adam.lippi...@me.com
> 0402 301 706
>
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:49 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>
> Yes it is Peter.
>
> But my apologies .. it was MS Office 2019 I got for that price.
> I put the wrong year in my header.
>
> I was running 2016 which is also 64 bit.
> But my daughter’s new iMac would no longer run her 2011 MS Office.
> So I got MS Office 2019 and passed my 2016 on to her.
>
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:15 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>
> Hi
> Is that a 64bit program?
> Kind regards
> Peter
>
> On 16 Jun 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>
> Hi folks.
>
> Just wanted to let you know that I got a great deal online from Software
> Depot for the above.
> It cost AU$124.99 and includes a valid Software KEY.
>
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Re: Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac

[Stephen Chape]

Yes it is Peter.

But my apologies .. it was MS Office 2019 I got for that price.
I put the wrong year in my header.

I was running 2016 which is also 64 bit.
But my daughter’s new iMac would no longer run her 2011 MS Office.
So I got MS Office 2019 and passed my 2016 on to her.

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 9:15 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> Is that a 64bit program?
> Kind regards
> Peter
> 
>> On 16 Jun 2020, at 5:36 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> 
>> Just wanted to let you know that I got a great deal online from Software 
>> Depot for the above.
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>> 
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[Peter Curtis]

Hi
Is that a 64bit program?
Kind regards
Peter

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> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that I got a great deal online from Software 
> Depot for the above.
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Re: Time Machine backup content

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

I had forgotten that when I was using Time Machine to backup on my old 17-inch 
MacBook Pro I also used Timetracker to display the contents of Time Machine 
backups and found it very good.
I think I stopped using Timetracker when I upgraded the OS and Timetracker 
wasn’t compatible. 

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 16 Jun 2020, at 8:25 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni, sorry for taking so long to respond to your kind note. Last night 
> (with "backupd" in the search window) I had a look and made sure "All 
> Messages" (top left) was selected and "Macbook Pro" was selected in the 
> devices panel. I see a range of line items in the main panel which provides 
> information which I cannot interpret what it is actually saying. It is in 
> 'computer speak' but notwithstanding that, with Timetracker, I have been able 
> to see exactly what content (and how many MB for each component part of it) 
> was included in these backups.
> 
> So much stuff being backed up for seemingly no good reason, but then I am 
> sure it is only doing what it has been programmed to do. Invaluable to 
> recover from a HDD loss (which I have had once). 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:03:11 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Time Machine backup content
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Do you have “All Messages” selected under the log database in the left column?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 12:22 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni. I had a look in there using Console on my wifes MBP 
> (2011) and when I type in "backupd" i get a blank panel on the right side. 
> Does it depend on the selection on the left side panel?
> 
> I also went looking for the application I was thinking of and I found it (on 
> my MBP). It is called TimeTracker. A third party app. I used it many years 
> ago from similar curiosities about huge backups happening with little or no 
> activity on the MBP. 
> 
> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker
> 
> I don't have this on my wifes MBP so when I get time I'll install and have a 
> look at the backup content report. 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
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> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:53:54 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Time Machine backup content
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it is 
> possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. 
> Open Console in Applications/Utilities
> To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the Time 
> Machine process is called backupd. 
> Click in the search box at the top right of the window (or just press 
> Command-Option-F), then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the 
> results to only show those entries related to the backupd process. 
> 
> The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the Message 
> column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data was backed up, 
> what older backups were removed, and other general information about the 
> backup run.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the thread 
> which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for each hourly 
> backup for TM. 
> 
> Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it had 
> been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a few 
> months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off again (used 
> the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large backup). She also had 
> clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which meant it would be huge. So 
> yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this morning it was finished. I've been 
> monitoring it through this morning and I have seen subsequent hourly backups 
> SINCE completing successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly 
> backups have been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP 
> since waking it this morning.
> 
> Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific activity 
> on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up and I'd like to 
> investigate.
> 
> How do I do this?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Pet

Re: Time Machine backup content

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, sorry for taking so long to respond to your kind note. Last
night (with "backupd" in the search window) I had a look and made sure
"All Messages" (top left) was selected and "Macbook Pro" was selected
in the devices panel. I see a range of line items in the main panel
which provides information which I cannot interpret what it is
actually saying. It is in 'computer speak' but notwithstanding that,
with Timetracker, I have been able to see exactly what content (and
how many MB for each component part of it) was included in these
backups.
So much stuff being backed up for seemingly no good reason, but then I
am sure it is only doing what it has been programmed to do. Invaluable
to recover from a HDD loss (which I have had once). 
Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:03:11 +0800
Subject:Re: Time Machine backup content

 Hi Peter,
Do you have “All Messages” selected under the log database in the
left column?

Kind Regards,

Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 

On 10 Jun 2020, at 12:22 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:

Thanks for that Ronni. I had a look in there using Console on my
wifes MBP (2011) and when I type in "backupd" i get a blank panel on
the right side. Does it depend on the selection on the left side
panel?
I also went looking for the application I was thinking of and I found
it (on my MBP). It is called TimeTracker. A third party app. I used it
many years ago from similar curiosities about huge backups happening
with little or no activity on the MBP. 
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker [1]
I don't have this on my wifes MBP so when I get time I'll install and
have a look at the backup content report. 

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:53:54 +0800
Subject:Re: Time Machine backup content

Hi Peter,
Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it
is possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. Open
Console in Applications/Utilities
To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the
Time Machine process is called backupd. Click in the search box at
the top right of the window (or just press Command-Option-F),
then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the results to
only show those entries related to the backupd process. 
The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the
Message column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data
was backed up, what older backups were removed, and other general
information about the backup run.
Kind regards,
Ronni

On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the
thread which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for
each hourly backup for TM. 
Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it
had been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a
few months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off
again (used the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large
backup). She also had clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which
meant it would be huge. So yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this
morning it was finished. I've been monitoring it through this morning
and I have seen subsequent hourly backups SINCE completing
successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly backups have
been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP since
waking it this morning.
Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific
activity on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up
and I'd like to investigate.
How do I do this?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp
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Re: Ext drive connectivity

[John Thompson]

Thanks again to all for their inputs.  Following Daniel’s instructions, Time 
Machine now appears to be working as it should.  I do not recall whjere I 
received the information regarding Catalina and Firewire but apparently it was 
false.

Kind Regrdes


John Thompson
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> On 16 Jun 2020, at 7:52 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 12:43 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Not directly relevant, but I found this article on the CCC website, 
>> regarding Catalina Issues, interesting  
>> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-catalina-known-issues
>> 
>> Remember when "it just works" was uttered with a (relatively) straight face 
>> - though never completely accurate  ;o)
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
>> 
>> 
> 
> Thanks Neil. There are enough workarounds and mentions of fixes in upcoming 
> Catalina “betas” to give room for help to create room for hope with the next 
> version.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
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Re: Ext drive connectivity

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> On 15 Jun 2020, at 12:43 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Not directly relevant, but I found this article on the CCC website, regarding 
> Catalina Issues, interesting  
> https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-catalina-known-issues
> 
> Remember when "it just works" was uttered with a (relatively) straight face - 
> though never completely accurate  ;o)
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Neil
> 
> 

Thanks Neil. There are enough workarounds and mentions of fixes in upcoming 
Catalina “betas” to give room for help to create room for hope with the next 
version.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: Ext drive connectivity

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Peter,

Not directly relevant, but I found this article on the CCC website, regarding 
Catalina Issues, interesting  
https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/macos-catalina-known-issues

Remember when "it just works" was uttered with a (relatively) straight face - 
though never completely accurate  ;o)


Cheers


Neil




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> On 14 Jun 2020, at 9:41 am, John Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Maybe Peter H. or Daniel Kerr could assist in this one.
> 
> For quite a number of years I have been using a Voyager Q External drive, 
purchased from Daniel, for my Backup and Time Machine, connected to my Mac Mini 
(Late 2014) via Thunderbolt to firewire cable.  This has worked fine until my 
upgrade to Catalina which no longer supports Firewire and now requires USB 3 
connectivity.
> 

I still haven’t done the deed regarding Catalina, John. Now that Filemaker 
19 is here I’m thinking more about it, but it’s issues like this that keep me 
nervous. We’re only a week away from WWDC so I guess I’m now waiting to see 
what they come up with for the next iteration.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
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Perth, Western Australia
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Re: Ext drive connectivity

[John Thompson]

Thanks Daniel,

I have followed your instructions and it now appears to be working.  the 
External drive/s are showing on the desktop and in Disk Utility.

The Time Machine backups ceased in February right after the system upgrade to 
Catalina and a misterious message appeared stating the system no longer 
supported firewire and to connect external drives via USB 3.  I left everything 
as was until recently and decided to re-connect Time Machine.

Will see how it goes now and advise on the results.

Regards


John Thompson
jetj...@optusnet.com.au



> On 15 Jun 2020, at 8:14 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Hi John
> 
> 
> As far as I’m aware Catalina does still work with Firewire. The only thing 
> they “disabled” is that you can’t boot from a Firewire device anymore.
> But you can still access Firewire drives if you have a Firewire (or similar) 
> port.
> One thing I would try first is to unplug all the cables and connectors from 
> the Firewire drive and the iMac. Leave everything unplug for a few minutes. 
> Then restart the computer.
> After restart, plug the cables back in and then see if the drive mounts again.
> 
> You could also check in Disk Utility to see if it sees the drive at all. If 
> it’s greyed out, it may just need clicked on to “Mount”.
> If no success with that, you could try an SMC reset on the Mac mini. Then see 
> if the drives show up again.
> 
> Also, did you have any other computers you can check it on as well and see if 
> it loads at all? That will show if it’s the computer or the drive is the 
> issue.
> 
> Hope something there helps.
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
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>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 9:41 am, John Thompson  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe Peter H. or Daniel Kerr could assist in this one.
>> 
>> For quite a number of years I have been using a Voyager Q External drive, 
>> purchased from Daniel, for my Backup and Time Machine, connected to my Mac 
>> Mini (Late 2014) via Thunderbolt to firewire cable.  This has worked fine 
>> until my upgrade to Catalina which no longer supports Firewire and now 
>> requires USB 3 connectivity.
>> 
>> Could you please advise the cableing I would require and the port/s 
>> available on the Mac Mini for same.
>> 
>> Kind Regartds
>> 
>> 
>> John Thompson
>> jetj...@optusnet.com.au
>> 
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Re: Ext drive connectivity

[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 14 Jun 2020, at 9:41 am, John Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Maybe Peter H. or Daniel Kerr could assist in this one.
> 
> For quite a number of years I have been using a Voyager Q External drive, 
> purchased from Daniel, for my Backup and Time Machine, connected to my Mac 
> Mini (Late 2014) via Thunderbolt to firewire cable.  This has worked fine 
> until my upgrade to Catalina which no longer supports Firewire and now 
> requires USB 3 connectivity.
> 

I still haven’t done the deed regarding Catalina, John. Now that Filemaker 19 
is here I’m thinking more about it, but it’s issues like this that keep me 
nervous. We’re only a week away from WWDC so I guess I’m now waiting to see 
what they come up with for the next iteration.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: Ext drive connectivity

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi John


As far as I’m aware Catalina does still work with Firewire. The only thing they 
“disabled” is that you can’t boot from a Firewire device anymore.
But you can still access Firewire drives if you have a Firewire (or similar) 
port.
One thing I would try first is to unplug all the cables and connectors from the 
Firewire drive and the iMac. Leave everything unplug for a few minutes. Then 
restart the computer.
After restart, plug the cables back in and then see if the drive mounts again.

You could also check in Disk Utility to see if it sees the drive at all. If 
it’s greyed out, it may just need clicked on to “Mount”.
If no success with that, you could try an SMC reset on the Mac mini. Then see 
if the drives show up again.

Also, did you have any other computers you can check it on as well and see if 
it loads at all? That will show if it’s the computer or the drive is the issue.

Hope something there helps.
Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 14 Jun 2020, at 9:41 am, John Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Maybe Peter H. or Daniel Kerr could assist in this one.
> 
> For quite a number of years I have been using a Voyager Q External drive, 
> purchased from Daniel, for my Backup and Time Machine, connected to my Mac 
> Mini (Late 2014) via Thunderbolt to firewire cable.  This has worked fine 
> until my upgrade to Catalina which no longer supports Firewire and now 
> requires USB 3 connectivity.
> 
> Could you please advise the cableing I would require and the port/s available 
> on the Mac Mini for same.
> 
> Kind Regartds
> 
> 
> John Thompson
> jetj...@optusnet.com.au
> 
> 
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Re: Backup iPhone

[Alan Fenton]

Thank you for info.


> On 14 Jun 20, at 2:26 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan.
> 
> Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
> On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
> In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
> Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
> Backup should be available there.
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not just 
>> music.
>> 
>> Where and how do I do it now?
>> 
>> From Alan.
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Re: internet connectivity problems

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Rosemary,

 

Regarding the speed variability – that is not necessarily down to any problem 
with your setup. One thing about the current zombie apocalypse has been a huge 
increase in NBN traffic. They have been working on increasing capacity to 
address this but I have certainly noticed periods where the speed dropped 
drastically.

 

I also signed up for a NBN 50 package (with Internode) where they say to expect 
an average evening download speed of around 43. It is FTTN here, the actual 
achievable speeds depend on the existing copper network being used for the 
final connection so, after they actually connect you, they run a network check 
and advise you what speeds your connection is capable of – they advised me:

We have checked your NBN connection, and the maximum speed your address can 
receive is 50.09Mbps download and 15.09Mbps upload.

So, for me, the possible download speed was as per the paid package but the 
possible upload speed was less than the paid package speed (20 Mbps upload) and 
I was offered the option of downgrading to a cheaper, slower speed plan. 
However, since download speed (for streaming iVeiw & SBS on demand) was 
important to me, I was happy to stick with the NBN 50 plan. The fact that you 
sometimes see speeds of 47Mbps shows that your actual connection is capable of 
these speeds – however it does not stop the speed from dropping if there are 
NBN problems/congestion.

 

I have certainly noticed this myself recently – in a series of 17 speed tests, 
from 4 April to today, the measured download speeds have varied form as low as 
3.77 to as high as 41.74. When I first checked on 4 April (after noticing 
things seemed slower) the download speeds were around 24 to 25 – then things 
got quite erratic and from 13 April to 11 May only one result was over 20 in 
fact on 11 May I had 3 consecutive tests of 9.44, 22.88 & 3.77! 

 

However, since 28 May things seem to have improved to around 30 to 42. Note 
that my Internet has been quite useable in general and my testing has been 
irregular – mainly for my own curiosity.

 

 

So, I think you need to try and define just what the problem is that you are 
experiencing – some thoughts here:

 
Assuming that your (presumably fairly new) NBN modem is operating OK, then 
variability of internet connection speed if the computer is connected directly 
to the modem – ie no wifi network switched on - is probably due to NBN factors 
outside your control.
A slow NBN connection speeds can give you problems with video not playing or 
probably getting kicked off a zoom meeting – these things tend to rely on a 
“buffer” of stored data to smooth out momentary glitches in transmission but if 
the problem persists this “buffer” will run out – I’m sure we have all seen 
this behaviour when watching You/tube videos.
If your actual wifi connection between the computer and the modem is being 
dropped - either due to interference or other network problems (faulty 
equipment or setup) - then that is a wireless network problem that you need to 
troubleshoot.
 

Hopefully the above will help you determine whether your problem is down to 
your wireless network or erratic internet connection speeds – however, I 
suspect we have reached the limit of what can be achieved by email discussion. 
I your problem continues I think you may need to have someone with more 
experience in this area investigate your actual setup, in person.

 

 

HTH

 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

Neil

 

From:  on behalf of Rosemary 
Spark 
Reply-To: 
Date: Saturday, 13 June 2020 at 11:25
To: wamug 
Subject: Re: internet connectivity problems

 

Thanks for your detailed answer.

 

I tried what I could.  The wifi with or without the modem connection to the 
time capsule is just as flaky. Speeds vary between 14 and 47 within minutes of 
each other either way. (Our NBN connection is meant to be 50) 

 

We haven't moved the modem at all or added any other equipment near it. The 
cordless phone is connected to the modem as we have Voip, but that hasn't 
changed at all.

 

Thanks

 

Rosemary Spark
PO Box 781
South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
Phone: + 61 8 6397 6822
Mobile: 0414268043


 

 

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 19:33, Neil Houghton  wrote:

Hi Rosemary,

 

I think the first thing to work out is whether your problem is with the actual 
internet connection (eg the Westnet cable problems or just NBN congestion) or 
with your own wireless network.

 

 

To check out the internet connection try running SpeedTest 
https://www.speedtest.net/ and see what speeds you are getting. If you get a 
good result straight away that should rule out your internet connection as the 
source of the problem. If the result is not so good then to try & make sure 
that the problem really is the internet connection by making your connection as 
direct as possible - depending on what computers you have, an ideal test would 
be:
Turn off your wireless network.
Connect a laptop directly to the modem

Re: Backup iPhone

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Alan.

Plug your iPhone into your Mac.
On your Mac open Music in the Dock.
In the left hand menu on Mac click on “your phone”
Then in the top right corner of Mac screen click on “Sync Settings”
Backup should be available there.

> On 14 Jun 2020, at 10:48 am, Alan Fenton  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> I use to be able to backup my iPhone in iTunes. The whole phone not just 
> music.
> 
> Where and how do I do it now?
> 
> From Alan.
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Re: Ext drive connectivity

[Stephen Chape]

Hi John.

I have used this online facility for cables and adaptors in the past.
They have been helpful and have a huge range.

https://www.cablechick.com.au 



> On 14 Jun 2020, at 9:41 am, John Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Maybe Peter H. or Daniel Kerr could assist in this one.
> 
> For quite a number of years I have been using a Voyager Q External drive, 
> purchased from Daniel, for my Backup and Time Machine, connected to my Mac 
> Mini (Late 2014) via Thunderbolt to firewire cable.  This has worked fine 
> until my upgrade to Catalina which no longer supports Firewire and now 
> requires USB 3 connectivity.
> 
> Could you please advise the cableing I would require and the port/s available 
> on the Mac Mini for same.
> 
> Kind Regartds
> 
> 
> John Thompson
> jetj...@optusnet.com.au
> 
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Re: I need some suggestions

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Pat,

 

Something you could try is running the inbuilt Mac hardware testing diagnostics 
- depending on what the problem is it may or may not work/help - but worth a 
try.

 

I don't know what the age or OSX version is for your MacPro but:

 
For Macs released before June 2013 run Apple Hardware test 
https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201257
For Macs released after June 2013 run Apple Diagnostics 
https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT202731
See also https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/mac-help/mh35727/mac
 

Be aware that these tests can take some time to complete - so be patient.

 

As I say, this may or may not identify a problem - but it is probably a good 
place to start.

 

 

HTH

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

 

 

 

 

On 14/06/20, 12:15, "clamshell"  wrote:

 

    Hello, WAMUG,

    

I am currently living in Brisbane, and my Mac Pro computer seems to be 
dying. I am hoping someone will recognise the symptoms and possibly have some 
suggestions that might help.

    

When I press the start button, the chime happens as it should, and it seems 
to start. But all too soon, like, 5 minutes, it quits.  Then it chimes again 
and quits again, repeats again and again until I turn it off.

    

I thought possibly it was heating up too much, but the temp inside the room 
 is cool.   Or something might have been wrongly connected.

        Any ideas??

    

Hoping all of you are still well,

    

    Pat Scott

    



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Re: Problem opening files

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Rosemary,

What are his settings in System Preferences > Accessibility > Mouse and 
Trackpad?
You can set the speed of the double click to be much slower.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


>> On 13 Jun 2020, at 12:07 pm, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> I tried your suggestion but the problem remains. He can't open any file 
> anywhere (in our outside a program) with a mouse or The only way to open is 
> to use  keyboard shortcuts or File>>Open or in the case of Calendar 
> Edit>>Event.
> It is in the weird category. Not impossible of course, just very annoying for 
> him.
> Cheers
> Rosemary Spark
> PO Box 781
> South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
> Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
> Mobile: 0414268043
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 13:56, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> Open Disk Utility (Applications / Utilities) on your Mac. 
>> Select your disk from the left menu and then click First Aid and then click 
>> Run. 
>> This will fix volume errors.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 1 May 2020, at 11:56 am, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My husband is still running Mojave 10.4.6 on his Macbook 13inn Early 2013 
>>> model.
>>> A really weird problem has arisen. He can't open any file or folder in any 
>>> programme (Mac or otherwise) with his mouse or trackpad without going to 
>>> File>>Open or in Calendar>> Edit Event).
>>> He's re-started his machine; installed a new mouse,  but he (and I ) are 
>>> out of ideas at this point because it's such a strange problem.
>>> 
>>> Rosemary Spark
>>> PO Box 781
>>> South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
>>> Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
>>> Mobile: 0414268043
>>> 
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Re: Problem opening files

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Rosemary,

What are his settings in System Preferences > Accessibility > Mouse and 
Trackpad?
You can set the speed of the double click to be much slower.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 13 Jun 2020, at 12:07 pm, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> I tried your suggestion but the problem remains. He can't open any file 
> anywhere (in our outside a program) with a mouse or The only way to open is 
> to use  keyboard shortcuts or File>>Open or in the case of Calendar 
> Edit>>Event.
> It is in the weird category. Not impossible of course, just very annoying for 
> him.
> Cheers
> Rosemary Spark
> PO Box 781
> South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
> Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
> Mobile: 0414268043
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 13:56, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> Open Disk Utility (Applications / Utilities) on your Mac. 
>> Select your disk from the left menu and then click First Aid and then click 
>> Run. 
>> This will fix volume errors.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 1 May 2020, at 11:56 am, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> My husband is still running Mojave 10.4.6 on his Macbook 13inn Early 2013 
>>> model.
>>> A really weird problem has arisen. He can't open any file or folder in any 
>>> programme (Mac or otherwise) with his mouse or trackpad without going to 
>>> File>>Open or in Calendar>> Edit Event).
>>> He's re-started his machine; installed a new mouse,  but he (and I ) are 
>>> out of ideas at this point because it's such a strange problem.
>>> 
>>> Rosemary Spark
>>> PO Box 781
>>> South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
>>> Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
>>> Mobile: 0414268043
>>> 
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Re: Problem opening files

[Rosemary Spark]

Hi Ronni,
I tried your suggestion but the problem remains. He can't open any file
anywhere (in our outside a program) with a mouse or The only way to open is
to use  keyboard shortcuts or File>>Open or in the case of Calendar
Edit>>Event.
It is in the weird category. Not impossible of course, just very annoying
for him.
Cheers
Rosemary Spark
PO Box 781
South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
Mobile: 0414268043




On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 13:56, Ronni Brown  wrote:

> *Open* Disk Utility (Applications / Utilities) on your *Mac*.
> Select your disk from the left menu and then click First Aid and then
> click Run.
> This will fix volume errors.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Ronni
>
>
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB
>
>
> On 1 May 2020, at 11:56 am, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
>
> 
> My husband is still running Mojave 10.4.6 on his Macbook 13inn Early 2013
> model.
> A really weird problem has arisen. He can't open* any* file or folder in
> any programme (Mac or otherwise) with his mouse or trackpad without going
> to File>>Open or in Calendar>> Edit Event).
> He's re-started his machine; installed a new mouse,  but he (and I ) are
> out of ideas at this point because it's such a strange problem.
>
> Rosemary Spark
> PO Box 781
> South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
> Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
> Mobile: 0414268043
>
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Re: internet connectivity problems

[Rosemary Spark]

Thanks for your detailed answer.

I tried what I could.  The wifi with or without the modem connection to the
time capsule is just as flaky. Speeds vary between 14 and 47 within minutes
of each other either way. (Our NBN connection is meant to be 50)

We haven't moved the modem at all or added any other equipment near it. The
cordless phone is connected to the modem as we have Voip, but that hasn't
changed at all.

Thanks

Rosemary Spark
PO Box 781
South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
Mobile: 0414268043




On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 19:33, Neil Houghton  wrote:

> Hi Rosemary,
>
>
>
> I think the first thing to work out is whether your problem is with the
> actual internet connection (eg the Westnet cable problems or just NBN
> congestion) or with your own wireless network.
>
>
>
>
>
> To check out the internet connection try running SpeedTest
> https://www.speedtest.net/ and see what speeds you are getting. If you
> get a good result straight away that should rule out your internet
> connection as the source of the problem. If the result is not so good then
> to try & make sure that the problem really is the internet connection by
> making your connection as direct as possible - depending on what computers
> you have, an ideal test would be:
>
>- Turn off your wireless network.
>- Connect a laptop directly to the modem by ethernet cable (or desktop
>if physically close enough)
>- With just your browser open run SpeedTest
>
> Speedtest have a FAQ on how it all works and how various things affect
> your measured speed https://www.speedtest.net/about/knowledge/faq
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> However, since you say “the wifi drops out over and over again” it sounds
> like the problem is with your wireless network so, assuming that your
> internet connection is OK, then you need to troubleshoot this.
>
>
>
> I was a bit unclear as to how your wireless network is setup with regard
> to the modem and the time capsule – whether you were just running the modem
> as a modem and had the time capsule, directly connected to the modem by
> ethernet, running your wifi network or whether you had the modem setup to
> run the wireless network and were just using the time capsule as a network
> extender?
>
>
>
> Anyway, from your email it sounds as if everything was working fine until
> a few days ago and then you suddenly started having problems. So, assuming
> that you had not changed anything in your setup in the interim, it seems to
> me that there are two basic types of problem you could be looking at:
>
>1. A problem, possibly a hardware fault, that has resulted in an
>erratic performance of some component of your network setup.
>2. Wireless interference, from some external source interfering, with
>your wifi network.
>
>
>
> With regard to 1) above, you should be able to rule it in or out by
> changing between two configurations:
>
>- Wireless network generated by your modem and the time capsule
>removed from the setup
>- The wireless network turned off on the modem and a wireless network
>setup on the time capsule (directly connected to the modem by ethernet)
>
> If one works fine and the other has problems then you have identified the
> source of the problem. If you still have problems with both configurations
> then either your problem is 2) above or (possible but probably less likely)
> you coincidentally have more than one problem so that both configurations
> are compromised.
>
>
>
> With regard to 2) above, you should be looking at some new
> device/appliance which has been introduced into the general proximity to
> your network, Typical sources of wifi interference include cordless phone
> setups, microwave ovens etc but one other thing to consider is if you have
> a close neighbour who has a new or modified wifi network.
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyway, hopefully that gives you something to think about – there is also
> lots of useful info out there on the web – you might find this useful
> https://www.southernphone.com.au/Blog/2018/Mar/objects-that-interfere-with-wifi
>
>
>
> Tracking down & troubleshooting network issues is often tricky and
> sometimes seems part voodoo!  So if you find it all too hard you can always
> try one of the WAMUG professionals like Daniel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> HTH
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: * on behalf of
> Rosemary Spark 
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Saturday, 06 June 2020 at 17:33
> *To: *wamug 
> *Subject: *internet connectivity problems
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We have multiple computers, iphone and ipads. The last