Folks,
My most sincere apologies to anyone who showed up for my gig at the
Festival Dancing in Your Head in Minneapolis on Saturday. I had sent a
message to the list saying that I'd be doing remixes that night, but due
to a long list of logistical screw-ups, there ended up being no slot for
http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/trackid.ram
from an old tape 1990-1991.
I'm guessing this one's from the UK.
It's Elektric Dance by Jungle crew feat. Jungle Jorge (on Elektro Sounds
label). If you want the year I can dig it up at home, I think late 80s -- and
I'm almost sure this was a Chicago label.
peace
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From: techno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 19,
The internet flyer has been updated and sound bites
have been added. check it:
http://www.acidsonicresearch.com
best,
TJJ
~in a perfect world, nothing is perfect~
PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart.
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so you think eddie fowlkes deserves to be mentioned along with the other
three?
if he does, then so do about another 10 artist!
story of how Juan Atkins, Eddie Fowlkes, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson,
four young men from metro Detroit, created and developed this electronic
style of
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From: ed612313 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Fw: Techno: Detroit's Gift to the World
First, sorry about the 2x-post. I sent it on Sunday before Sean's came
don't know about the detroit breakers, i didn't see any at demf #2. but at
new york house nights--like louie vega's 'dance ritual' night at
vinyl--there were quite a large group of people breaking. they were really
good.
it was a surprise to see people breaking to a masters at work tribal flute
thanks, I really appreciate it.
the artist name and label is most satisfactory.
on 11/19/02 6:56 PM, Matthew MacQueen at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It's Elektric Dance by Jungle crew feat. Jungle Jorge (on Elektro Sounds
label). If you want the year I can dig it up at home, I think late 80s --
To everyone reading this - the show on November 23 will be a special night
for all of the performers I'm sure and here's why:
Bill Van Loo is getting good, really really good. When he's excited to play
new original material you don't want to miss Michigan's biggest grin as well
as fine music,
we used to do web broadcasting 2 times a week...with alot of live mp3's
from our parties (hopefully they will be up soon)..we are in the process
of a facelift but here is our site with loads of info about parties we
have done in the past future, but i don't think it has been updated
for a
There's this one crew, I feel crummy for forgetting their name :-{ I think
they might still be together, I remember being amazed by this bite-sized
b-boy named U-Turn. I've seen them @ a couple of events before. Me my
Capoeira (Brazilian martial art that had an influence on breaking) pals have
Three categories of people ought to be honored by the exhibit:
1) the whole damn scene and taste culture that collectively led to
(and helped to develop) what was then simply Detroit House -- that
fine music we all know as Detroit techno. Without audiences deciding
what was fresh, and not so
Correction: in my last message, I meant to say Scott Sterling not
Sterling Silver
heh. call it a Freudian slip.
-m
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From: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: (313) Fw: Techno: Detroit's Gift to the World
2) the whole group of people who were actively making music
significantly in and around this
Nicely put Marc. The other thing to remember is that for people outside of
the US (it does say gift to the world), the first real taste that many UK
people had was Techno : The New Dance Sound Of Detroit (1988 - Ten
Records - http://www.discogs.com/release/57919), on which EFF and Baxter
also
Hi Matt,
it pretty typical Ron Trent fare. In the Spirit itself is low-paced, with
nice, deep string work and a female vocal which repeats the title through
the track. its not his best work by any means, but nice all the same...
Sean.
-Original Message-
From: Matthew MacQueen
just digged up this record again..
it's a release from 1998, by Fairmount Squad on the label Goal Line Records
it was cut at NSC
any idea, how, what, why?
more release ?
still wanting to know more..
?
np. duplex - aerosoul
.. . :: http://nomorewords.net
i'm fairly sure shake contributed somehow...either co-produced or mixed
or sumthin.
I used to have copynot that special if I recall - just the one decent
track imo
it was the only release on the label that I ever saw
rc
on 20/11/02 9:22 PM, marsel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
just
OK, this is a little off-topic but...
I'm leaning toward the Vestax for the longer pitch control and higher
torque, but I'm interested to know the list's opinion. Of the people who've
used both, what do people prefer the Vestax PX2000 or Technics (probably
1200 Mk3 if I can find any)?
ta
Techno Hustlers EP?
What exactly do you want to know?
Dscaper
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-Original Message-
From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20
well, like i said
who is/are the artists?
were there any more releases by this artist?
were there any other releases on this label
things like that
:)
At 20-11-2002 + 10:39, you wrote:
Techno Hustlers EP?
What exactly do you want to know?
Dscaper
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This got posted around work a wekke or two back - the last guy is pretty
impressive
homepage.ntlworld.com/daniel.deptford/kolla2001.wmv
:-Original Message-
:From: Jason Hogans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:37 AM
:To: 313 list
:Subject: Re: (313) b-boys
The one thing that always put me off the vestax was the fact that I didnt
want to become reliant on the features it has which arent available on
technics [ I find it bad enough playing out in places that dont have hamster
switch on their mixer ]. Techn ics have always been built like a brick
Ron wrote:
can anybody compile a list of book somebody
has to have
http://www.disquiet.com/page-spotter.html
This bibliography, compiled by Marc Weidenbaum, tries to focus on ambient
music, but mentions quite a few titles you'd probably be interested in
seeking.
- Mike
Ahhh... it was the any idea, how, what, why? bit that confusled me.
I was going to answer:
How : With electronic devices
What : It's a 12 record
Why : Because they could
But that would be taking it too far. ;)
Dscaper
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fresh and crisp sarcasm..and so early in the morning in the northern
hemisphere!
pretty damn sure shake was involved.didn't he contribute something on
the list a couple of days ago..maybe he can verify
on 20/11/02 9:48 PM, Craig Harrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ahhh... it was
I got one pdx 2000 (as it was all I could afford at the time) and I
really love it: -50% is actually really useful as use you can mix things
at half tempo to do some weird x2s, having a reverse button is also very
useful and yes they seem to have quite a lot more torque - which may not
be a good
I'm still undecided on whether the torque is better or worse. Although it
seems logical to get as much as possible, when I tried mixing on Vestax I
missed the ability to drop a record back into time by dragging my finger
across the edge of the plate as I could with 1200s; although unexpectedly
Sorry I coming into the topic late, buta re we talking
about Vestax TTX vs. Technics by chance? My friend
just got a set of the TTXs and they seem pretty pimp.
They have a keylock (pitch shift?) function on them
that we don't know how to use yet. Anyone familiar?
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, seth
jeebers--it's bad to slow a record by dragging your finger against the
platter? does the same apply to speeding the record up by twisting the
spindle?
i just watched what dj pierre did and tried to do the same.
so how are you meant to slow a record on the 1200s without touching the
platter?
I've yet to master the trick of using the pitch adjust to do it. Tricky, but
the best way.
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From: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: (313) re: best decks
jeebers--it's bad to slow a record
Or speed up and slow down the record rather than the platter - tho if
the hole is too slack the record will stop completely, if its too tight
the effect on the motor is virtually the same.
:-Original Message-
:From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002
But it's worth persevering with. I rarely touch the record or platter and it
gives you far more control over those records that aren't constant, e.g.
disco. It also doesn't sound so obvious. You also become far more sensitive
to tempo changes - it'll take about 10-20 seconds to get stuff pretty
Don't DJ here any more, but I nearly always used the outside to drag or push
on 1210's, and never had motor problems with them at all. More often than
not, you'd have to take the 1210's apart to get back the bezel for the
on/off. The only other viable way of speeding/slowing without going against
Actually, touching the platter has the same effect on
the motor as adjusting the pitch unless you are totally
jamming the platter to a near halt. If you lightly
touch the platter or just twist the spindle, the
effects are no worse than adjusting the pitch. When
you adjust the pitch, the motor
I think this is down to the fact there is a bearing on a spring that
clicks into place to lock the pitch control on zero - I know you can
have this modified so you don't get the click - im not sure if the later
technics with quartz lock ditched this featuer making the modification
unecessary
Ah yes that reminds me about the other cool feature on the pdx2000s -
the stop button stops records dead - no slow down at all really and
there is a pot to adjust the braking speed from this to power off style
slow down (there is also one for start up speed which is slightly less
useful)
You can do the same on a 1210 tho... just lift the needle off the record.
Problem is tho, you have to make it sound like you meant to do it. ;)
Dscaper
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pimp? keylock? que?
From: T.J.Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 03:53:01 -0800 (PST)
Sorry I coming into the topic late, buta re we talking
about Vestax TTX vs.
Hi,
I bought a pair of the old vestax (PDX1's or something - they had
another version PDX2's which had the tone arm at the top for scratching)
about 3 years ago. I can say I've not had one problem with them, I
prefer the old style vestax aesthetically.
It's certainly true, you do feel a
I am fairly sure that messing with the platter in any way does no damage to
the motor. If you ever examine the platter on a 1200, you will see that it
is the only moving part in the system. By starting the platter then throwing
it forward or dragging it back, you are only working against the
Depends a little bit on the amount of time you've got to get the mix in, and
whether or not the target track is being thrown out to into the open, or
whether it's only in your cans. Pitch mixing also means you've got to know
your tracks very well, OR (I emphasise or) that you've cheated in some
I am pretty convinced that once I got out of this habit (bad
for the motor
in any case) I wouldn't mind. The only thing I am sure I
would miss on
technics is the +10 pitch control. I never had to use the
+50's but I've
often found that I was agonisingly just-out-of-range on the
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From: Craig Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Bucknell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks
Depends a little bit on the amount of time you've got to get the
I don't mean to go on, but...
You can *hear* whether a record is too fast or slow. You don't have to know
in advance. Also: cueing up is *faster* when you get used to not touching
the records. Try it. If anything, pitch mixing means you have more control
over records and therefore don't have to
I don't see how it can possibly be faster - if the record is too slow
you must move the pitch control too far in order to overcompensate and
then shift it back down once its caught up whereas if you touch the
record you can just give it a nudge and adjust the pitch control which
is instant.
Like I said in the post before
Horses for courses. ;)
Dscaper
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-Original Message-
From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
yeah the zero on the fader and zero of the pitch lock can be misaligned
-Original Message-
From: Neil Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 November 2002 12:40
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'James Bucknell'; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks
I think this is
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From: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks
I don't see how it can possibly be faster - if the record is too slow
you must move the pitch control too far in order to
I have a pair of the older Vestax and I love them. I have no problem using
Technics other than that annoying 0 pitch lock on the older models. My
Vestax are not the ones with the +-50% but still the extra 2% on the slider
helps a lot. I find the motor on the Vestax to be much stronger than on
Have to agree with Jonny, although I don't really deejay, I only mix
for my livingroom walls. My original reason for using the pitch only
was that I just didn't want my sweatysalty fingerprints all over my
records (and I did do it to try it out) so I had to find a way on how
to go about this. And
Each to his own I think - but Im with merf, I can mix both ways but Im
geenrally at the point now where I can shift the record with my fingers and
then stick the pitch control in roughly the right place. As I mix quite a
lot of ghetto stuff now which generally involeves having the two tunes
This has happened on mine. Does anyone know if this is easy to fix? Or maybe
point me to somewhere where it tells me how to do it?
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From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Neil Wallace' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'James
Bucknell' [EMAIL PROTECTED];
basically there are two pots from what I remem in the 1210s - I think one
changes the scale of the pitch control and the other chnages the alignment.
I think you need to fiddle with both of them but Ive not tinkered with mine
in a while so Id recommend you check the 1210s faq out :
Does anyone know if it's possible to replace the pitch slider on technics
1200s with the new ones, and if so, roughly how much would this cost?
Just wondered...
-Original Message-
From: Eric Scuccimarra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 November 2002 14:24
To: seth redmond;
you can def replace the whole pitch module - however Im not sure what would
happen with the pitch lock because the mk3's have a button mounted on the
deck instead of the clicky swtich at 0. I guess you might be able to just
not hook up a pitch lock or botch your own ?
-Original
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From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks
Each to his own I think - but Im with merf, I can mix both ways but Im
geenrally at the point now where I can shift the
I you're all getting the wrong end of the stick with what I'm saying.
Firstly, my comments were in association to a little bit upon the
circumstances (i.e. awkward venue acoustics, bad/underpowered/non-existant
monitors, headphone breakdown). Secondly, I worked long and hard enough to
mix either
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From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Robertson, Steven' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313
List (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: (313) technics (re: best decks)
you can def replace the whole pitch module - however Im not
Oh yeah...It would be better if it was possible to get a replacement with
the switch somewhere other than the middle of the slider. The 0 pitch lock
gets worse with age and it feels like treacle to an otherwise perfect tool.
I wouldn't wish to botch them like that.
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Re: Modifying pitch sliders:
The 1200 mk2 can be modified to remove the click AND defeat the quartz
lock (which is a relative position on the potentiometer aka pitch slider)
but soldering and taking the fader apart is required. I know very few ppl
that actually use the lock (on either the mk2
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I've thought about not replying to this, but your tone annoys me. More fool
me :P So I apologise for being involved in this most ludicrous of threads.
I don't quite get what you're saying - you're right. Please try and
construct well formed sentences, it makes it easier for me. I'm suggesting
I didn't even get the CJ joke. CJ Bolland?
Johnny Dangerously is a sweet movie by the way.
Horses for Courses? WTF? Is that like Different
strokes for different folks?
Whatever. These posts are pretty amusing to read
though...
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Jonny McIntosh wrote:
I've thought
*rotflmao* - try not to take this post the same way as you took the last.
Yes, it was partially sarcastic as I mention at the bottom of my last post,
but you will also notice I smile alot when doing so. If I was serious about
it, then I don't smile. :)
Ok, last post on this, as the next food I'm
You can increase the torque on Techniques, thats what I have done. When I
hit stop the platter actually goes in reverse for a while. All you have
to do is open it up and turn a yellow plastic nut clockwise.
rh
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Actually, that doesnt increase the torque (which is a function of the
motor), it increases your break.
-Original Message-
From: rh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:16 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks
You can increase the torque
OK. If I've misread I apologise, though I'll confess I'm still unable to see
it when I read your emails. That's not reading between lines :) Just one
point, I'm sure you *can* play unknown records on the fly: all records are
unknown at some point. That's precisely my point about pitch control:
personally I like the 1200's any club you play at will have these.
and I personally think the 1200's have more torque.
if you weight the platers of the 1200's over the vestax the tech's weigh a hell
of a lot more. so the tech's engine has to not only move the weight of the
record but also that
I did say it would be my last post, but it wouldn't be right for obvious
reasons.
My apologies also. I must admit I haven't exactly been in the best of moods,
and likewise I may have also misread comments. Well, at least we can lay
claim to entertain the other list members for the afternoon. :)
Do you think it's possible to beat match as fast using the pitch slider as
using your hands?
If one is quick mixing this would be an issue... I personally probably use
my hands more than I should, that is just how I have taught myself, I find
if I nudge the pitch slider forward extra to correct
while we are kinda on topic.I wanted to ask about vinyl burning and
stylii
if you've got old styliil can they damage your wax?
I was playing around with two copies and repeating the intro for ages...and
then when I played the same record the next day the intro was all staticy
and defintely
it may not be faster, but IMO it is safer, when you are speading up a record by
hand sometimes they slip and then you are no longer just a quarter beat behind
but an unknown amount of beats ahead.
I just reciently learned how to do this where I feel comfortable doing it in
front of people and
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Older needles will damage the vinyl more than new ones (because the surface
area that actually touches the vinyl is smaller on older needles). But you
will still get damage to vinyl either new or old... it's friction and time.
:(
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A man
I know, I've given this speech before.
It's more or less an accident of history that the Technics 1200 founded
the modern DJ age and continues to be the standard turntable. It's
certainly been put to far more different kinds of uses than the designers
could ever have imagined.
The real reason
Oh, and when you're rocking the track backwards, it's effectively pushing
the needle into the vinyl more than going forwards (which is more drag).
Dscaper
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of a man who
Had a play along time ago on a set of gold-plated Technics. The shop keeper
wasn't too happy when I put 5-pence pieces on the back of the carts tho.
I think they were something to do with their anniversary (mid-90's).
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I've found that you always get this with certain qualities of vinyl,
except with Shure's wonderful M447s, which I can't praise enough. The
villains of the piece are definitely the Stanton 500als, which
basically cane vinyl in a horrifying way - though there's always
those little battery
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From: Craig Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks
Had a play along time ago on a set of gold-plated Technics. The shop
keeper
wasn't too happy
I heard this fantastic 3-way battery powered bus quick-mix set once, but it
ended after in a horrible trainwreck when the DJ didn't look both ways at a
rail crossing.
http://www.osk.3web.ne.jp/~vacuum05/vinyl.html
J
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http://www.homedj.co.uk/Images/Product/Technics/Decks/sl1200ltd.gif
Sexay. :)
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From: Tristan Watkins
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From: Cyborg K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: (313) re: best decks
Do you think it's possible to beat match as fast using the pitch slider as
using your hands?
If one is quick mixing this would be
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From: Josh Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: (313) vinyl burn (was re: best decks)
I heard this fantastic 3-way battery powered bus quick-mix set once, but
it
ended after in a horrible trainwreck
The Fairmont Squad is actually the guys from Strand. As far a s I know, it's
has been their only release on the label.
Peace,
Patrick.
-Original Message-
From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:22 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) fairmount squad
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