I heard Laurent Garnier play an edit of the track that he did at The End on
New Year's Eve. Incredible...
pw
In a message dated 1/27/03 6:46:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I1ve fallen in love with the track that play first on the Carl Craig
workout
album you know, the Demented Drums
audio:
http://www.emmrecords.com/~fux/fux__the_suck.mp3
feedback:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]subject=make_it_stop
:thanks
-Joe
Hi folks,
A few weeks ago, I did an interview on Berlin's Radio Fritz. During the
interview, they played a mini live set of mine (20 minutes), which I've
now posted:
Download:
http://www.esm.rochester.edu/desantis/DennisDeSantisLive-RadioFritz-1-25-03.mp3
Stream:
I found with some of the record stores there, they don't allow you to
listen to the records, which is crazy...
sounds like most london record stores... *grumble*
ab
ya'll can cut up, but he was also the first american to release
jungle tunes on a UK jungle label. his tune on the Enforcers 6+7
ep on Reinforced in 1994 wasnt spectacular, but how many of you
have tunes out on reinforced?
: P
tom
-- Original Message --
ah cool, didnt know that. maybe thats why the name sounded familiar (im a
huge fan of old jungle) as for reinforced, well its interesting how one of
the greatest hardcore and jungle labels has turned into such a pile of sh*t
so quickly
ab
- Original Message -
From: Thomas D. Cox,
I dont need more toys, I need more good records to play out, Alan declares.
Word. (I'm still gonna get a FS setup soon to play around with it.)
I would only add that AO notes that since the DEMF, Detroit won't pay
to see the music. But it's not like it was much different before the DEMF.
Kookie:
Rescue Me on Global Underground 007 - Paul Oakenfold - New York, 2xCD
(Boxed)
Heartsong on Trance Atlantic Vol. 2, 2xCD (Trance Europe Express)
I think the answer is obvious.
No. It's not necessarily obvious.
The 'Trance Europe Express'/'Trance Atlantic' series of comps did not
feature
Heartsong on Trance Atlantic Vol. 2, 2xCD (Trance Europe Express)
I think the answer is obvious.
No. It's not necessarily obvious.
The 'Trance Europe Express'/'Trance Atlantic' series of comps did not
feature 'trance' of the variety which we all know hate - e.g. (or
something) has Eddie
Sorry for the spam - just a quick reminder for any Glasgow/UK people on the
list who might not know: me and Laurence Hughes are hosting a very rare UK
performance from Daniel Bell on Saturday night.
But due to our usual venue (the Unit) becoming unavailable, we've had to
relocate to Club 69. If
Hi Tom,
Dan done some mixes for us back in the day on our subvoice label.
will you be recording the mix so i can have a listen at a later date as im
in London.
best wishes
Rob
Victoria Music Ltd.
Unit 215 old
I won't be able to make it to Glasgow, but does anyone know of anything
happening in Edinbourgh this weekend? I'll be there for the Ireland v
Scotland 6 Nations Rugby match and might be looking for places to go out.
SMS to 00 353 86 3400 970
It's sad how a lot of people have turned their backs on
techno.
It really is one of the most misunderstood and hated
electronic music genres out there, I would attribute the lack
of interest to the popularity of house and trance and the
older
(elitist) generation maturing away from techno to
Hey all 313philes,
My wife and I will be in Spain(Barcelona and Madrid as well as other
parts). If anyone has any idea of good clubs to hit while we are there.
We are into deep house, Broken beat , new soul, jazz. We live in the D,
so we tend to prefer small intimate spaces.
Subspace
How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday, Wiggin
(one of the first techno records) or Nude Photo?
That's a big can of worms you're opening there.
***
This e-mail is from Telegraph Group Ltd. - 1 Canada
How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday, Wiggin
(one of the first techno records) or Nude Photo?
That's a big can of worms you're opening there.
Too right - I thought this might even be a bit of trolling. There is a TOTAL
F*CKING DIFFERENCE between the majority of identikit
family stuff is taking me there for five days, starting tomorrow. anyone
know of any worthwhile 313-related events in or around LA in that
timeframe?
also, are there any record shops in the area that are worth checking out?
thanks,
-j
Hmmm. Steady on there,
i can't believe you are comparing Derrick Mays - Wiggin / nude photo to
the over produced blandness of Adam Beyer's drum code series.
or am i wrong?
yes i do fall into the to the older (elitist) generation,
the reason for maturing away from techno is because the tracky
Here we go with the soul cliché and the accusation of
trolling.
You make it seem like all the pumping loop based techno is
crap, (try telling that to Jemm Mills, Robert Hood) I was just noting the
similarities in early Detroit techno
like Wiggin and the techno you hear today, you even
hear the
hahaha...
on 2/12/03 8:57 AM, spw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jemm Mills
What about the tracky Pro-Jex sound Rob???
-Original Message-
From: Rob Jarvis. Victoria Music Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 February 2003 15:37
To: Toby Frith; 313 Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
Hmmm. Steady on there,
i can't
Soulful? Christ, I thought you wanted to avoid that cliche but you've gone
and contradicted yourself again.
Loops can be soulful, even death metal can be - it's a stupid word that
people use to differentiate between cynical and sincere.
IMNSHO, naturally.
-Original Message-
From: spw
not everyone looks to techno for soul in the way that you
mean it. the fact that it lacks this soul is refreshing
to a great number of people. this list is pretty
unrealistic however, and reknowned for exactly that.
How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday,
Wiggin
(one of the
Nude Photo or Wiggin are much more than just DJ Tools. You can put these
records on at home, in your lounge and listen to them as complete pieces of
music.
That's the difference IMHO.
How is Drumcode really that different than Mayday, Wiggin
(one of the first techno records) or Nude Photo?
I'm talking about the techno genre whether it be Swedish
techno or Brighton techno, I'm not talking about other forms
of electronic music that you would find more soulful like
Moodyman or Broken Beat.
And neither am I - I'm talking about techno. Not Moodymann or whatever.
Maybe you just mentioned
Hmmm. Steady on there,
i can't believe some are comparing Derrick Mays - Wiggin / nude photo to
the over produced blandness of Adam Beyer's drum code series.
or am i wrong?
yes i do fall into the to the older (elitist) generation,
the reason for maturing away from techno is because the tracky
Hmmm. Steady on there,
i can't believe you are comparing Derrick Mays - Wiggin
/ nude photo to
the over produced blandness of Adam Beyer's drum code
series.
or am i wrong?
The early Drumcode records were cool, and to be honest I'm
not a huge fan of Sweed techno but a lot of it has a
But aren't you the same Rob Jarvis that used the name Killabite, to make a
third record even though Ben sims (who played a large part in the other
records) asked you not to? I must admit, the work on that record would fall
into the tracky Swedish category as well. If that sound is bastardizing
UR Punisher was just one agressive bar looped but it sounded brilliant on a
loud system with Jeff Mills behind the decks, this is my point about tracky
or loop based techno being DJ Tools.
The same applies to Relief records, when you hear a good DJ
spinning that stuff it all makes sense.
on
On woensdag, feb 12, 2003, at 15:57 Europe/Amsterdam, spw wrote:
Here we go with the soul cliché and the accusation of
trolling.
You make it seem like all the pumping loop based techno is
crap, (try telling that to Jemm Mills, Robert Hood) I was just noting
the
similarities in early Detroit
On woensdag, feb 12, 2003, at 16:34 Europe/Amsterdam, spw wrote:
UR Punisher was just one agressive bar looped but it sounded brilliant
on a
loud system with Jeff Mills behind the decks, this is my point about
tracky
or loop based techno being DJ Tools.
The same applies to Relief records,
You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
tracks like Funky Funk Funk on techno artist like Dave
Clarke who's Red series was very influential on 90's techno.
Talking about music, is like dancing about architecture. -Robyn
Hitchcock
ok we're talking about something undefinable here so for the sake of an
explosion of list activity discussing things that we aren't gonna resolve
maybe we should agree to disagree.
the bottom line is this:
if you
Oh c'mon I'm talking about UR - Punisher ri... ri... rirrr...
rirrr... ri... it's very repetitive techno.
on 2/12/03 10:30 AM, Klaas Jan Jongsma at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is actually the most crap reply i have seen in months! Almost
every piece of modern dance music has a
You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
tracks like Funky Funk Funk on techno artist like Dave
Clarke who's Red series was very influential on 90's techno.
no shti...but what does that prove?
robin...
But the thing with good techno is that it shouldn't really endeavour to
sound a hell of a lot like music that was being made ten or fifteen
years ago, surely? Obviously a lot of the music on Drumcode is
influenced by early techno, but I personally don't like something just
because it's derived
Talking about music, is like dancing about architecture. -Robyn
Hitchcock
I thought it was Frank Zappa?
Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically
stated. This email and any
Yes, I agree. I'm always looking for the next Beau Mot Plage, or indeed Axis
11.
That's the great thing about this list, it keeps you in touch...
- Original Message -
From: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003
Robert Taylor wrote:
Talking about music, is like dancing about architecture. -Robyn
Hitchcock
I thought it was Frank Zappa?
I've also seen it attributed to both Laurie Anderson and Steve Martin.
--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com
Oh c'mon I'm talking about UR - Punisher ri... ri... rirrr...
rirrr... ri... it's very repetitive techno.
the point being made here is that techno _contains_ some tracks that are
just loops, but techno also contains tunes that are dripping in feelings
other than raw energy.
techno
Writing about music is like dancing about architecture was by Frank,
though the whole thing has been up for debate for years:
http://home.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm
-Grand Wazoo
-Original Message-
From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12,
could be, i did a quick google as i knew the quotejust done another
search and loads of people have said it...
robin...
Wicked quote though, I'd never heard it.
Not sure I agree though...even though of course we are talking about
something subjective.
How off topic is this?
- Original Message -
From: robin pinning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent:
Beau Mot Plage was definitely a bit of a shock - I had settled into a
state of benign antipathy towards most of the new electronic records
coming out when suddenly Phil Asher played this amazingly complex and
futuristic piece of music on the radio. Beau Mot Plage momentarily
brought back that sort
on 2/12/03 10:39 AM, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Beau Mot Plage
That's not techno, that's tech-house/ micro-house, kind of reminds me of
that old Moog record Popcorn sounds very European.
If you showed toady's techno to someone in the mid 90's it
would sound more advanced, they might not like what they
hear though.
I think this was T1000's point about not enough quality
techno being released although there are other good forms of
electronic music.
on 2/12/03 10:36 AM, Brendan
I think the original post had other more interesting food-for-thought items
which have nothing to do with this sterile discussion of comparing early 313
and contemporary swedish loop techno.
What i found worthy of discussion (or rather reading other discuss it since
im a little too ignorant on
Beau Mot Plage
That's not techno, that's tech-house/ micro-house, kind of reminds me of
that old Moog record Popcorn sounds very European.
h ha ha hah hah hah aha ha hah aha ha haha ah a ha ah aha ahha
sorry
I'm glad this is on topic, I love talking about this kind of thing. So,
Who cares what it is? It's a damn good electronic record and we should all
be looking out for more records like it.
It's all house music - Grooverider (and probably countless other
DJs/producers)
-Original Message-
From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003
So we've nailed it down to a massive difference in interpretation of the
word techno. So by your definition things like Sonic Sunset aren't
techno either; it has to have a hard looping 909 to be techno. Oh, and
not sound very European (which immediately discounts early Model 500,
Kraftwerk, and,
i've got to agree here. this list seems to concentrate a
lot on a sound thats almost 20 years old. your tastes have
to grow with the music and if you want to listen to, and
pursue production along the lines of something that was
released 20 years ago, have at it. but no one on this list
is
I agree, a whole night of banging loop techno is monotonous
but the techno genre has a distinctive sound, mechanical and
futuristic in nature like Juan and D. May intended with the
early Transmat records.
I can understand why some people mature out of techno not
that the music is immature it's
That's an interesting idea. I think if you dragged me, in a time
machine, from 1995, and played me the Drumcode stuff, I'd have been a
bit disappointed at how little progress seemed to have been made. This
stuff already exists! I'd have told you, while throwing Axis records at
you. Perhaps there'd
Brendan Out of interest, what is *your* definition of techno?
I like UR's definition:
'Techno is a music based in experimentation;
It is sacred to no one race; it has no definitive sound.
It is music for the future of the human race.' - UR
Peace,
m*
well that definition beats the its black music bullshxt
that this list normally spews.
I'm sick of everyone catagorizing and labeling everything
into the fxcking ground. how about these labels:
like
or
dislike
no music is bad its an artform and subjective by nature.
so you dont like
I remember John Peel sayin' in an interview that there's only 2 forms of
music in the world as far as he was concerned, good bad. And that that's
down to personal opinion. I agree wholeheartedly.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 February 2003
actually this reminds me I started work on a techno
track the other night, which is a rarity for me these days,
doing mainly soundscapes and ambient stuff + highly
fuxperimental things.
http://www.emmrecords.com/~fux/fux__the_suck.mp3
listen to this, Im warning you it was created without
-- Original Message --
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can understand why some people mature out of techno not
that the music is immature it's that people become more
conservative at an old age.
i dont see why you think people become more conservative. what
Brendan Out of interest, what is *your* definition of techno?
I like UR's definition:
'Techno is a music based in experimentation;
It is sacred to no one race; it has no definitive sound.
It is music for the future of the human race.' - UR
for a bunch of underground guys they were geniuses
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
well that definition beats the its black music bullshxt
that this list normally spews.
yeah. i mean obviously. like R+B is white music because christina
aguilera makes it.
I'm sick of everyone catagorizing
actually this reminds me I started work on a techno
track the other night, which is a rarity for me these days,
doing mainly soundscapes and ambient stuff + highly
fuxperimental things.
and the award for best segue into a shameless plug goes to...
well that definition beats the its black music bullshxt
that this list normally spews.
yeah. i mean obviously. like R+B is white music because christina
aguilera makes it.
and the award for best segue into a trolling comment goes to..
no really, i love this idea that peoples'
and as far as loopy techno goes, when i hear it the emotion i get
from the artist is pretty much about what i expect from a 2 year
old throwing a temper tantrum.
But thats just YOUR opinion..therefore its not necessarily bad music.
my definition of techno consists of the output of certain
no really, i love this idea that peoples' opinions are now
the
defining method of measurement. thats the silliest bunch of
horsesh*t. find any uncreative idea, and you can find some
nitwit
who will love it.
well maybe YOU run out to buy any record that any nitwit
recommends, but I dont. I
-- Original Message --
From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and the award for best segue into a trolling comment goes to..
id say the comment i was replying to was more trolling than mine.
no really, i love this idea that peoples' opinions are now the
if britanny spears calls me and recommends some album, I know that its
probably not gonna do it for me.
B-b-but her music is made by technology! - she is techno - she must know
something about that techno stuff
I heard her ex's record is good if you like that sort of thing
-- Original Message --
From: Fabrizio Nahum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But thats just YOUR opinion..therefore its not necessarily bad music.
i cant see how my opinion makes me no longer able to differentiate
between the temper tantrums of a 2 year old and the deep
If Britney Spears called me, I'd take her to Taco Bell for a dinner date.
-Original Message-
From: Andy Kellman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:30 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) what is *your* definition of techno?/ (techno rant)
if britanny
next time you think to send something this fxcking
obnoxious to the list, and specifically me, just delete the
email and punch yourself in the face. then if you want,
you can send me an email telling me that you'd saved me
some annoyance and as a side note, punched yourself in the
face. then I
I would only add that AO notes that since the DEMF, Detroit won't pay
to see the music. But it's not like it was much different before the DEMF.
I gave up on trying to see the music live. Anytime there is a big (or even
little)
techno show you end up waiting hours to get in, or you show up
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
well maybe YOU run out to buy any record that any nitwit
recommends, but I dont. I know who in my life shares my
musical tastes, and if they recommend something, I know its
probably going to interest me. if
true but the people who command said technology use it in
the same way I would use it if I were trying to clear out a
party that had outlasted its use :)
its true, 9 out of 10 techno kids hate john denver
-Joe
if britanny spears calls me and recommends some album, I
know that its
probably not
If Britney Spears called me, I'd take her to Taco Bell for a dinner date.
i wonder if she gets free taco bell with her deal with Pepsi. oh, how
dreamy would that be!
_
MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months
its evident from reading this thread that you just dont get
it. no one wants to see this argued out because at what
point to we realize the benefit of beating the dead horse?
I think the others get my point and if not, i've either
failed to articulate my feelings, or Im dealing with people
Electronic boutique
2pm -4pm wed.
www.channelzonline.org
this weeks guest (in order of apperience) are george rahme of lansing and shawn
reeves of detroit.
georges set is on the heavier plus 8 side of techno
shawns set is on the mad-net minimal end
a few tracks by:
cabret voiltare - sluggin fer
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
its evident from reading this thread that you just dont get
it. no one wants to see this argued out because at what
point to we realize the benefit of beating the dead horse?
whatever. if you dont want to
that all depends on your definition of Detroit techno, now doesn't it?
On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 09:04 AM, spw wrote:
still creating
Detroit techno
A -- Spain...one of my favorite places!
I've never been to Madrid, but can tell you that Barcelona is an amazing place!
Check out Florida135 (outside the city) www.florida135.com -- Another great
spot is Row Club...not sure if it's open, but at last check i think it was
still closed -- Row
on 2/12/03 11:32 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is why adult contemporary music sounds so cheesy because
people's
brains go into parental mode after their sexual prime, I think
this is what
you see whith artist like Carl Craig who are interested in more
traditional
Because it's far less interesting to listen to, IMHO.
The thing with Detroit techno was that you could enjoy it at the club
*and* on your own terms. I can't say the same for your so-called DJ
Tools.
That being said, if you are, or aspire to be a DJ, those tracks make a
lot more sense and
And I thought it was Laurie Anderson. Too funny.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Robert Taylor wrote:
Talking about music, is like dancing about architecture. -Robyn
Hitchcock
I thought it was Frank Zappa?
I´m starting to wonder what are these dj-tool labels ? or artists ?
drumcode style ? there´s quite a lot that kind of sound around but that
ain´t the only style of new techno. check for example kanzleramt.
and speaking of tool techno, me thinks Mike Ink´s Studio 1 series were
extreme tools and
I wasnt trying to make you look bad at all, you're doing a
fine job of that. I laid it out as simplistically as I
can, and if you still dont understand my point, then whats
the big deal? Im not insulting you and saying you arent
smart enough to get it. you need to calm down a bit.
a few
Sorry for replying to my own post, but I had this thought:
If we could just supply decks and a mixer with each loop record
:P
That being said, if you are, or aspire to be a DJ, those tracks make a
lot more sense and can be quite enjoyable.
-- Original Message --
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With Innerzone Orchestra for example, I hear an older form of already
established 20th Century music that predates techno
incorporating live session musicians playing conventional type
acoustic
instrument
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I laid it out as simplistically as I
can, and if you still dont understand my point, then whats
the big deal? Im not insulting you and saying you arent
smart enough to get it. you need to calm down a bit.
on 2/12/03 12:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Techno is music made by Technology. simple.
I disagree with the UR quote because UR tried to distance themselves away
from techno when
Interstellar Fugitives came out, denouncing techno and promoting hi-tek
funk.
People who
What is actually considered oFF or ON topic on this discussion board?
Seriously?
Ja'Maul Redmond
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great record!
- Original Message -
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)
You also hear the influence of repetitive Detroit techno
tracks like Funky Funk Funk on techno artist
How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a few)
There are lots of artists and labels that are creating wonderful
evolutions of Detroit techno.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 09:04 AM, spw wrote:
you dont hear much about making techno
for the 21'st Century.
Music is so subjective, especially electronic music.
Everything is based on personal preferences, which changes with ones
personality through-out time. To me whether a song is more appealing or not
has nothing to do with the level of standards an artist has.It has more to
do with my personal
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. said: so what is traditional? are you saying song
structure is
traditional?
Yes, that's it exactly. I'm not going to get into the debate about which
style of techno is better per se. However, I do believe that innovation in
form is an essential aspect of all forward thinking
On woensdag, feb 12, 2003, at 21:24 Europe/Amsterdam, Dan Sicko wrote:
How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a
few) There are lots of artists and labels that are creating wonderful
evolutions of Detroit techno.
Agreed! The list is endless: Duplex, Keith Tucker,
i know every possible avenue your argument can take, ive
had this
argument with many other people. and i know youre wrong. i
just
like taking people's concept of the importance of their
opinion
and flushing it down the toilet. ego is so stupid.
tom
Thank you Ja'Maul, nice to see that my original point
wasn't lost on *everyone*
-Joe
Music is so subjective, especially electronic music.
Everything is based on personal preferences, which changes
with ones
personality through-out time. To me whether a song is more
appealing or not
has nothing
hmm Loopy or not it's all good depending on the mood I'm in. for the
most part I enjoy most all of UR's releases. I guess you could say I like
the soulful rhythmatic detroit sound. Detroit has a certain vibe that comes
through in it's music, from motown to techno to detroit house and
DS How about the Emoticon folks, Delsin, Digital Soul? (to name but a few)
DS There are lots of artists and labels that are creating wonderful
DS evolutions of Detroit techno.
When I first joined 313 a couple years ago, most of the techno I'd
heard and collected was on the well-established,
Cyborg K wrote:
However, I do believe that innovation in
form is an essential aspect of all forward thinking music, whether we are
talking about a techno record, or Cecil Taylor, John Coltrane, Pierre
Boulez, Gustav Mahler, John Cage, etc. The desire to return to a
traditional song structure,
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Stuart Thomas wrote:
I remember John Peel sayin' in an interview that there's only 2 forms of
music in the world as far as he was concerned, good bad. And that that's
down to personal opinion. I agree wholeheartedly.
Since we're on quotes, Duke Ellington: There are two
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'll leave you to wallow in your infinate intelligence.
: )
you make me smile
tom
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