Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Fixing Fingers

Which one was that? The only unresolved ones are on different subjects I think. On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > Did the CFJ on fixing the CoE loophole ever get resolved? Not sure it did. > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Fixing Fingers

Did the CFJ on fixing the CoE loophole ever get resolved? Not sure it did. On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:49 PM, VJ Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Fixing Fingers

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:49 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> I create and pend with 1 shiny the following > > Aris, your reward package is ready for pickup. > > -o There's a 24 hour time limit. -Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

>I’m not, at least for the present. Agora cannot receive cards, and in any case, carding Agora has no ludic effect, platonic OR pragmatic. Agora would need to be a person too. (because "The person to whom the Card

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On Sep 22, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > Also, I am curious about the implications of Agora doing > something ILLEGAL. I’m not, at least for the present. Agora cannot receive cards, and in any case, carding Agora has no ludic effect, platonic OR pragmatic. On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On 09/22/17 20:46, Nic Evans wrote: > > On 09/22/17 19:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> Create a pledge owned by nichdel, whose terms are >> >> { >> I pledge to not acknowledge any messages Cuddle Beam sends to >> a-d, or to respond in a-d to anything CB does. >> } > I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 21:13 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Rule 2166: > > > A fixed asset is one defined as such by its backing document, and > > CANNOT be transferred; any other asset is liquid. > > Proposal: > > > Pledges are an indestructible fixed asset. > > I’m assuming that framework for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 20:46 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> I noticed a significant mechanical defect and a style defect after I >> pended it, so I withdraw the proposal “Make Your Home Shine” and >> submit the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

They're defined as a "fixed" asset, which means they can't be transferred. -Aris On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 20:46 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> I noticed a significant mechanical defect and a style defect after I >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Do you want this distributed with this weeks distributions? That's a still buggy version, so probably not. Greetings, Ørjan. -Aris On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: Ugh, I missed a pledge, and I’m not sure

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 1:54 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> Amend rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read, in full: >> >> { >> Pledges are an indestructible fixed asset. Ownership of pledges >> is restricted to persons. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Josh T wrote: > > Here's two more: > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-May/034600.html > (the one quoted directly in the link, and the one quoted by that message) > > 天火狐 Thanks. A brief

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

Here's two more: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-May/034600.html (the one quoted directly in the link, and the one quoted by that message) 天火狐 On 14 September 2017 at 22:14, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:55 PM,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:55 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Read line 1 of the pledge. If part of the pledge is saying I CAN revoke it > (including a method), > I can do so as part of keeping the pledge, I assume. It’s not at all clear how that works, or even if it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Solvency

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> As promised. >> >> -o >> >>> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Nic Evans wrote: >>> >>> I don't really

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Come What May

On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Sorry I was wondering whether to use it for elections or just for reports. I pledge to do what Orjan said. Thank you. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Come What May

I concur. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 13, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > I initiate an election for the office of Agronomist, as no election for this office

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Guaranteed Stamp Income

Proto: Rename Agora to Agor On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: > > On 09/13/17 15:21, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: > > >>>player CAN, by announcement, create a Stamp

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Guaranteed Stamp Income

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: > On 09/13/17 15:21, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: > >>>player CAN, by announcement, create a Stamp with Agora as the Creater > > "Creator" is actually a correct word in this case! > > I'm aware, and avoided it so it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Guaranteed Stamp Income

On 09/13/17 15:21, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: >>>player CAN, by announcement, create a Stamp with Agora as the Creater > "Creator" is actually a correct word in this case! I'm aware, and avoided it so it didn't look like an office title. > > I'd put "2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Basic Guaranteed Income

On 09/13/17 14:01, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > So some thoughts then: > > - Do away with AP, but just allow 1 free CFJ/week for everyone? > > - I think "new" players should get an extra bonus so they can jump in, with > the > understanding that "once that first stake is gone, you'll be operating on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Basic Guaranteed Income

So some thoughts then: - Do away with AP, but just allow 1 free CFJ/week for everyone? - I think "new" players should get an extra bonus so they can jump in, with the understanding that "once that first stake is gone, you'll be operating on a much lower level." My thought is to give them

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Basic Guaranteed Income

On 09/13/17 13:38, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Mechanism aside (which looks generally fine), how many (proposals+CFJs) do you > think a "casual" (non-office holding) player should be permitted to perform > regularly? This is 2 total per month if the Floating Value is constant, plus > a person is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Basic Guaranteed Income

If only there was a currently pended proposal disincentivising stockpiling shinies. Gaelan > On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I enjoy the basic idea but Im very much against removing Action Points > because of how it guarantees gameplay - you've got

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

No I mean just using it to raise cash. More interesting than just collecting a minimum wage, requires some effort at least. That's why I suggested making a higher-creation-rate version that couldn't be collected for a Win. (I mean a minimum wage is the ultimate "just sitting there"). On Tue,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Routinely buying Stamps low and selling high to eventually buy your win doesn't feel very interesting to me (but I'm doing it myself because it's just the best thing to do rn). It's just sitting and getting your loyalty card stamped and then getting rewarded for it. On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:52

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > This is the core of G.’s protest: there’s nothing to drive transaction > volume, > so prices sink inexorably towards the lowest value they _can_ reach. Seeing the recent fluctuation, Stamp speculation seems like a nice ride to jump on, especially

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:49 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > It's time for Agoran Economy: Venezuela edition : P > > No but in seriousness, we have a single fixed price which is the Welcome > Package, which I believe is to blame for most of the shiny drought. It's just > too

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more > than that is a tad extreme, no? Look at the current situation. We have, nominally, 1k shinies. As of the start of the week,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Improved Buoyancy

I realize this is a bit late, since the proposal in question has been distributed, but: On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 4:10 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > I retract the proposal "Improved Buoyancy". I submit the following proposal. > > -Aris > > --- > Title: Improved

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

If they were my friend, they would say Publius. In writing, they would write P. Scribonius. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Likely much like we do today lol. Roman grafitti is very funny and strikingly similar to us nowadays: http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/ > paste whenever I need it :P ) Actually I've been meaning to ask: how would a fellow Roman back in the day refer to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (i.e. informally)? Would it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I suppose it's better than "Josh". Don't overdo it, I guess, but it's not like I can stop you. 天火狐 On 10 September 2017 at 20:58, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I'll do "Fox" then (much how I say PSS and not the full name every lol) > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I'll do "Fox" then (much how I say PSS and not the full name every lol) On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/ > paste whenever I need it :P ) > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

(also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/ paste whenever I need it :P ) On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Thanks! I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration back > then, but couldn't find it. > > I think I'll add this as gratuitous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Thanks! I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration back then, but couldn't find it. I think I'll add this as gratuitous arguments to that case log, so I'll know where to find it :). On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote: > I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it when the CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and provide a preferred reading. The preferred reading/transliteration is "amatsukagitsune" and translates to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

天火狐, would you be willing to supply either a transliteration of the Japanese sounds to your desired spelling, or go by "The sky fox"? (I think that latter choice is slightly off your desired translation IIRC). I'll respect it if you don't, but I'm always pausing to go copy and paste when

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

yeah e should be referred to as 天火狐 but it's not a memorable word. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports contradict > that and if they don’t they will

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports contradict that and if they don’t they will in the future. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Eir agoran nickname is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T wrote: > I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the > header says. > > 天火狐 > > On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam wrote: > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

For me those are the same. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Josh T wrote: > > I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the header > says. > > 天火狐 > > On 10 September

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the header says. 天火狐 On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam wrote: > @Josh we really need that corkboard. > > I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency > and I'll add it as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

@Josh we really need that corkboard. I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T wrote: > > Vote purchases/sells when > > Have you not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

> Vote purchases/sells when Have you not seen my latest Agency? 天火狐 On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, > to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens. > > Feels a bit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens. Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself. >Loan Bank when >AP

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

This is the direction that I am going with my ideas. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately > finance

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I like this a LOT. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:30 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > We could go full libertarian style. Gov't owns no money, instead give > it all to players and private banks. No rewards, you get reports when > you pay for them. CFJs are removed and private arbitration

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

We could go full libertarian style. Gov't owns no money, instead give it all to players and private banks. No rewards, you get reports when you pay for them. CFJs are removed and private arbitration rules. New players get all their money from starting a goddamn business, or charity. On Mon, Sep

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I like the idea of Agora being able to be in debt with players. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately > finance eir debt. > > Other ideas: > - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately finance eir debt. Other ideas: - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one, as part of the float calculations possibly. - How about *deflation*. Allow fractional values, I'm curious if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

The reason Agora has a shiny crisis is that the number of existing players weren't accounted for when deciding how much the Supply Level should be. It really needed to be 2000, to give us more of a margin. Oh well. -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

There's also the problem that it's actually desirable to keep Agora as bone dry as possible, to manipulate the Floating Value. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:49 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Maybe tie inflation to new players? So firstly add like an "emergency > fund" of 100 or so now,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

It's time for Agoran Economy: Venezuela edition : P No but in seriousness, we have a single fixed price which is the Welcome Package, which I believe is to blame for most of the shiny drought. It's just too much in comparison to the total amount of shinies Agora has in total, imo. If we had more

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Maybe tie inflation to new players? So firstly add like an "emergency fund" of 100 or so now, and then whenever a new player joins increase agora's balance by that %. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Note that any scheme that says you can get

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

How would you feel about it if nichdel’s changes were used? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > P.S.S., if you want this distributed this week you should pend it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Note that any scheme that says you can get something for having less than a certain level of liquid assets can be scammed by two people passing their assets back and forth. in past economies, any form of progressive wealth distribution pretty much instantly led to tax avoidance contracts

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

i mean agora is broke and people cant get welcome packages. not like inflation matters that much because price of things that people actually buy is rulically fixed. ppl ain't exchanging w/ each other much rn. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Aris Merchant

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

My way will be automated in a variety of ways. If you would like to contribute, I can add you as a collaborator. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Woah. I was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more than that is a tad extreme, no? -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will > destabilize much if we double

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for example. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I am working

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for comment. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I like this idea, but how are things handled when Agora has too few shinies. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Nicholas Evans wrote: > > Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0 stamps and less than the current stamp value in shinies can and may claim enough shinies to have whatever the stamp value was at 00:00 on the first of the month. On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

On 09/10/17 16:40, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I will definitely do this in the future. Would you recommend retracting this > and replacing it? > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com I don't think it's necessary, the intent seems unambiguous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

I will definitely do this in the future. Would you recommend retracting this and replacing it? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > WRT to this style of proposal: > > > On 09/10/17

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

Actually, the word democratization made me think of another approach, it was called karma, and it worked pretty well most of the time as a nice social constraint and reward with occasioanal spats of tit for tat that were self-limiting, because if the combatants got out of hand, others would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

On 09/10/17 12:41, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both > the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying > to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer > can skirt the technical punishment while

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

Proto: White Card: This card is appropriate for cases of unsportsmanlike contact where no other card is appropriate. This card can be (and only be) awarded by announcement which also contains a specification of a number and 3 support. The possessor of this card cannot perform any ruleset-granted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer can skirt the technical punishment while still being just as "bad". Going along with our

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

Did you read the entire message? On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 09:43 Cuddle Beam wrote: > Sorry for the double post but I just got another idea: > > What if I made an Agency/Contract that let me be other people's > talking-proxy? If they deliberately lie, they wouldn't be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

Sorry for the double post but I just got another idea: What if I made an Agency/Contract that let me be other people's talking-proxy? If they deliberately lie, they wouldn't be infringing "and it was made with the intent to mislead.", because I wouldn't have "made" the message with any intent,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: SLR Ratification

Too much chance of there being a recent error we haven't caught yet. A year is rather paranoid, and six months would probably work fine. Then again, it doesn't hurt to be paranoid about things like this. -Aris On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:13 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Why aren't we

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Billy Mays Here

yup sorry. On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Sep 9, 2017, at 3:03 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> " An Agency is a document empowering persons to act on behalf of >>another player. A player CAN establish an Agency With 24 hours

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Billy Mays Here

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 3:03 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > " An Agency is a document empowering persons to act on behalf of >another player. A player CAN establish an Agency With 24 hours >Notice, and thereby become its Director, by specifying the >properties

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Restraining Bolt

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I don't think this one is needed, because the definition of distribution resolves to an Agoran decision initiation, described as a publishing action elsewhere. In fact adding "by announcement" might do more harm than good. It shouldn't do any harm as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Restraining Bolt

Previous agency reports self-ratified right? So we're all good? On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:14 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 2:08 AM, VJ Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Restraining Bolt

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >>{{{ >>In a timely fashion after the start of June 1 of each year, the >>Herald SHALL propose a set of Regulations governing a Birthday >>Tournament

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Restraining Bolt

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:14 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Sep 9, 2017, at 2:08 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> Can you change the MAYs in agencies and Rewards to by announcement so >> that by adopting yours in conjunction w/ mine and ors, they're fixed? > > I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Restraining Bolt

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 2:08 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Can you change the MAYs in agencies and Rewards to by announcement so > that by adopting yours in conjunction w/ mine and ors, they're fixed? I plan to vote against your proposal, if it reaches that point. The Mother, May I?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Rule 2431 doesn't seem to restrict where specifications can be made. "With Agoran Consent" is sufficient to restrict this to being done via the public fora, because rule 1728 specifies that an action with that constraint can be done by announcement

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:39 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > >> Nope the text for CAN is this: " >> >> CAN: Attempts to perform the described action are successful.". That's >> all. So this is just mirroring that. If you want to make an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

There's something that might maybe possibly help if this ever needs to be fixed by judicial fiat: "Agora is a game of Nomic, wherein Persons, acting in accordance with the Rules, communicate their game Actions and/or results of these actions via Fora in order to play the game. The game may be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: ninja'd *MWAHAHAHA* On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: "Using existing terminology (I hope correctly), an action which CAN be performed, if the rules impose no other constraints, can be done in any way at all" Here's a list (it's quite short) of CANs

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

ninja'd On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > >> Nope the text for CAN is this: " >> >> CAN: Attempts to perform the described action are successful.". That's >> all. So this is just mirroring that. If you want to make an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

"Using existing terminology (I hope correctly), an action which CAN be performed, if the rules impose no other constraints, can be done in any way at all" Here's a list (it's quite short) of CANs w/out "by announcement", "w/o objection" or anything similar. "The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Nope the text for CAN is this: " CAN: Attempts to perform the described action are successful.". That's all. So this is just mirroring that. If you want to make an argument that you can do anything with a CAN in private, sure. Hm so searching for CAN...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:04 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Nope the text for CAN is this: " > > CAN: Attempts to perform the described action are successful.". That's > all. So this is just mirroring that. If you want to make an argument > that you can do anything with a CAN in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

Sorry, I got the default reversed, you're right. Your language works because of this: Restricted Actions CAN only be performed as described by the Rules. and the "be performed as described" means you have to describe how its done for it to be allowable (i.e. the rules have to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

Nope the text for CAN is this: " CAN: Attempts to perform the described action are successful.". That's all. So this is just mirroring that. If you want to make an argument that you can do anything with a CAN in private, sure. On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Stamp CAN patches

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > So. You paid the game, but the game itself is made up all of our actions, > including the payment you just did. So there's a part of your payment that > paid itself. [...] > Treating the game itself as an abstract entity has a fairly long history in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Stamp CAN patches

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > >I pay Agora 1 sh. to pend this proposal. > > Philosophical hocus pocus but you have pretty much paid the action of > performing that very payment itself (or at least part of the payment is), > because Agora itself

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Stamp CAN patches

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:40 PM Owen Jacobson > wrote: > I submit the following proposal, and pay Agora 1 sh. to pend it. > > Title: Stamp CAN Patch >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Float On

We all have to determine current shiny balances (more recent than the last report) every once and a while. Making that more painful than necessary gets a thumbs down from me. Gaelan > On Sep 4, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Sep 4, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Kerim

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Float On

And that failed purchases don’t let Agora keep your shinies. Gaelan > On Sep 4, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > >> On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 17:24 -0700, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> I didn’t think “spend” was unclear, exactly, since the rules define >> “pay”: > > My

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Float On

On Sep 4, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Random grab, an old version: > > Rule 1941/3 (Power=1) > Fees > > If the Rules associate a non-negative cost, price, charge, or > fee with an action, that action is a fee-based action. If the >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Float On

On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 17:24 -0700, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I didn’t think “spend” was unclear, exactly, since the rules define > “pay”: My problem with the existing rules that use spending isn't that it's unclear what the effect of spending would be, but that it's unclear what the mechanism for

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