Boy ... you guys are tough ... what have they done ... they turned AP around
180 degrees ... PERIOD.
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staying their welcome...to be quite honest! Back in 2008 and 2009 they did
some heavy lifting during tough
Yes they were sold and they did a great job of marketing them
Throw in the short sales, a few foreclosures and a 20-40% reduced selling price
(like the rest of the market) made them more realistic for more people - either
as a first, second or investment home.
As far as the design...
hmm ... you are Totally incorrect re: Wesley Grove. An Albatross? Down to one
unit unsold out of 91 - most were sold within two years compare that to North
Beach.
They completely screwed up buying that albatross, Wesley Grove.you can't
give those condos away...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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Not sure I understand your question marks then. Can you be more
specific?
Okay, it is an expression of amazement that you and DJ are now
Clarence Darrows who have uncorked MM.
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and been a royal pain in the ass...
Go fetch!
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Having the advantage of our editorial board being made up of
litigators
???
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Dan Jacobson is a retired lawyer.
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Having the advantage of our editorial board being made up of
litigators
???
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Dan Jacobson is a retired lawyer.
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Having the advantage of our
Not sure I understand your question marks then. Can you be more
specific?
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Dan Jacobson is a retired lawyer.
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you are a freakin broken record. blah blah blah blah blah...ive said
it before and ill say it again, you are nothing but a busy body
trouble maker... PU
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury
Partners. The
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury
Partners. The
editorial board interview was a cream puff job. No financials --
again!! The
only way to be confident of the partnership is to know what they're
in for -
ok dan, thank you. you have done so much for this city...NOT!!!
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I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury
Partners. The
editorial board
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ok dan, thank you. you have done so much for this city...NOT!!!
I've paid my taxes, invested here and support local business mongrel boy.
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and been a royal pain in the ass...
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ok dan, thank you. you have done so much for this city...NOT!!!
I've paid my taxes, invested here and support
I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury Partners. The
editorial board interview was a cream puff job. No financials -- again!! The
only way to be confident of the partnership is to know what they're in for - a
dime or a dollar. What's the commitment? Is there an out
I agree Tommy. I think this is clearly a victory for those who wish
to see more tourism/entertainment in the plan. It's kind of funny
seeing the same people who boasted about the success of their
residential plan ideas now boasting about the success of the tourism
angle...
I think the
The only hotel that I've seen advertise on a
decent level is the Ocean Place in Long Branch and that always has
plenty of cars there.
Ocean Place is booked from June 15 to labor day.
They cater to their clients from NY/Brooklyn.
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The only hotel that I've seen advertise on a
decent level is the Ocean Place in Long Branch and that always has
plenty of cars there.
Ocean Place is booked from June 15 to labor day.
They cater to their clients
OceanPlace also does tons of those home shows and business
conferences to get people year round. I agree that the Berkeley will
most likely start advertising on a good scale, but so far the two
hotels seem to rely on the word of mouth more than anything.
The Berkeley seems to do well with
I'd just wiat and see what they do at the BCH.
The Deal Casino (beach club) is getting a multi-millon $ makeover
over the next 5 years. Getting a steak house as well whcih is opening
next week.
Why?
Oceanfront.
Here's some math for the weekend:
1. Acre in Elberon is running around $3.5-$5.0
Chetrit buying BCH. Joe, there's no room at the inn. Don't worry,
I'll buy some place where you can stay.
Much cheaper then paying $10m just for land on the ocean, then 2 years
for an architect and 4 years to build just a house.
And the kids each get their own room.
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Here's some math for the weekend:
1. Acre in Elberon is running around $3.5-$5.0 per 1 acre on the
Ocean, and there's nothing for sale. Kushner piad $4.0m for a house
in front of his to knock down.
2. They were selling
Thanks T
Not much more other then wait and see.
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I find myself having to pull the car over to stay in the lane!
Get an alignment or put air in your tires.
ON the Carosouel the BEST PR they could ever do would be to put the
horses back in the Casino. That's worth a ton in positive PR and in
exchange for changes in the plan (where they get
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't like the idea of not having a carousel inside the carousel
building.
There is not much thought that needs to go into what you should put in
a building specifically designed for a carousel. While he MAY think
that there
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find myself having to pull the car over to stay in the lane!
Get an alignment or put air in your tires.
ON the Carosouel the BEST PR they could ever do would be to put the
horses back in the Casino. That's worth a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The thought of a 20 story hotel sounds ridiculous to me.
None of the redevelopment plans include anything that would actually
Parking, retail, hotel and condos on top = $
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if anyone asked about the Lake ave. close off? It wasn't
posted, but this was only part one?
Why are you fixated on that? I was the one that said MM wanted it
reopened. That's what I was told, if it's changed or
Yeah, but who is going to stay in this 20 story hotel?
And is there really ever going to be enough demand for that many more
hotel rooms? Retail doesn't create that kind of demand. And
observation tower won't create that kind of demand. And what about the
Berkley Carteret. It's already here. Does
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, but who is going to stay in this 20 story hotel?
And is there really ever going to be enough demand for that many more
hotel rooms? Retail doesn't create that kind of demand. And
observation tower won't create that kind
Actually, I think that it's more important to look at how AP is viewed by the
masses who don't
live in the city. Those are the people we are trying to attract...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
In a message dated 6/13/2007 2:56:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ON the Carosouel the BEST PR they could ever do would be to put the
horses back in the Casino.
Ties for 5 Stars!
Why are you fixated on that? I was the one that said MM wanted it
reopened. That's what I was told, if it's changed or misinformation
than so be it.
Fixated on it? Hmm, all right. Whatever information you were told, you
were heart set on it being true.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm starting to not understand some of the comments on this board. No
matter what
is said, its picked apart?? Arn't hotels part of the future that some on this
list want? The
whole tourist, people, visiting on
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is not much thought that needs to go into what you should put in
a building specifically designed for a carousel. While he MAY think
that there are more profitable uses for the space, he should think how
many people
the horses back in the casino is also the CHEAPEST PR one could ask for.
Freehold Mall has the 2 story one right i the food court. How many
have made the haul there just to spin around, then blow some more $ in
the food court?
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why are you fixated on that? I was the one that said MM wanted it
reopened. That's what I was told, if it's changed or misinformation
than so be it.
Fixated on it? Hmm, all right. Whatever information you were
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's your point about the Heating Plant?
Werner
I used the correct lexicon (not power plant).
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the horses back in the casino is also the CHEAPEST PR one could ask for.
Freehold Mall has the 2 story one right i the food court. How many
have made the haul there just to spin around, then blow some more $ in
the food
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote:
What's your point about the Heating Plant?
Werner
I used the correct lexicon (not power plant).
Charlie you are not considering the Big Picture.
For a Hotel to function there must attractions that would require overnight
stays.
The current plan is a RESIDENTIAL USE based plan not a destination tourism plan.
It would not be prudent to construct a Hotel with no market for its use.
We already
the horses back in the casino is also the CHEAPEST PR one could ask for.
From other posts, you know i'd like seeing the carousel back in the
building. It would be good marketing, but what is it marketing? I don't think
thats the image they want to attrack to that buildnig, or area
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's true. However, the new BCH owners must have some high
hopes in mind. Why else would they buy a hotel in such an area, if
there were no need for it? I don't think they'd be willing to put all
that money into
In a message dated 6/13/2007 6:38:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How do the hotels on highway 35 stay open? Just becasue a hotel is on the
shore in AP, doesn't mean the people staying have to stay within the square
mile of AP!!
Good point. I'm
In a message dated 6/13/2007 6:42:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It would be good marketing, but what is it marketing?
Whatever it is it's what draws crowds year after year to Ocean Township's
Italian Festival, even though they have the same ol' corny stuff
Right, thats along the lines of what i was saying. Hotels in general stay
in business becasue people go places and sometimes need places to stay.
Wouldnt you rather have them staying in AP then on highway 35?
Although, i guess a hotel on 35 would most likely run cheaper then one
Whatever it is it's what draws crowds year after year to Ocean Township's
Italian Festival, even though they have the same ol' corny stuff year after
year. People don't seem to tire of it
That's true. But you don't see people looking for a hotel in Ocean to
be there for the fair do
I'm agreeing with you. Point is that a carousel would be very appropriate
again. IMO Casino location's better than between pavilions. Could be
integrated with the proposed market.
Just glad there seems to be excitement and energy again.
In a message dated 6/13/2007 9:27:47
I'm agreeing with you. Point is that a carousel would be very appropriate
again. IMO Casino location's better than between pavilions. Could be
integrated with the proposed market.
Just glad there seems to be excitement and energy again.
I know what you're saying. The
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello friends,
Below are the questions readers have submitted for the Asbury Park
Press editorial board to ask Madison Marquette's Gary Matolla on
Monday. Still time to submit more if you wish.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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Hello friends,
Below are the questions readers have submitted for the Asbury Park
Press editorial board to ask Madison Marquette's Gary Matolla on
Monday. Still time to submit more if you wish.
I did but it
Werner,
Go to Randy's Blog at http://rbergmann.blogspot.com/ and at the bottom
of his post about Madison Marquette you will see where you can click to
leave a comment. You can leave your question there.
If not, you can email Randy at rbergmann @ app.com.
It is an editorial board meeting so
I added a few to the blog.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can't have the public involved in this process. They will scare
the hell out of MM and probaly chase them. The ball will be in the
councils hands if they drop it they will be gone in 2009. If the
public got involved and
we have to wait for 2009 to replace a few?
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Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens
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we have to wait for 2009 to replace a few?
They never made good on their promise to institute staggered terms.
Self preservation I assume. Another lie to the public.
Werner
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You can't have the public involved in this process. They will scare
the hell out of MM and probaly chase them.
MM is scared as hell by the current level of ineptitude already.
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we have to wait for 2009 to replace a few?
They never made good on their promise to institute staggered terms.
Self preservation I assume.
Wait just a minute there Mr. Historian. Staggered terms was a
ballot question about a year ago and the people of Asbury Park voted
it down.
I think you need to take back the lie comment.
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I don't believe in recalls.
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we have to wait for 2009 to replace a few?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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Wait just a minute there Mr. Historian. Staggered terms was a
ballot question about a year ago and the people of Asbury Park voted
it down.
I think you need to take back the lie comment.
The ballot issue was the
maybe MM wants to do things on their own, seperate from everyone else becasue
they see how everything else is being run. in MM eyes, if they had their own
area, to do what they want, not having to report to asbury partners, or the
city, then theyd be set. right?
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maybe MM wants to do things on their own, seperate from everyone else becasue
they see
how everything else is being run. in MM eyes, if they had their own area, to
do what they
want, not having to report to asbury
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maybe MM wants to do things on their own, seperate from everyone
else becasue they see how everything else is being run. in MM eyes,
if they had their own area, to do what they want, not having to
report to asbury
So now you are requesting that the council do what the people don't
want them to do.
Perhaps, just maybe, you need to rethink you're position there.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So now you are requesting that the council do what the people don't
want them to do.
Perhaps, just maybe, you need to rethink you're position there.
-
Tommie, Stop right there, don't start
Werner, I'm totally in the camp of staggered terms but given that
there was a vote and the people rejected it specifically what would
you have the council do? I disagree with the way people voted but
bottom line that's how people wanted it. I really don't think it's
fair to criticize them
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Werner, I'm totally in the camp of staggered terms but given that
there was a vote and the people rejected it specifically what would
you have the council do? I disagree with the way people voted but
bottom line
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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I for one would like to see prooof of that Werner.
Anyway anything said before the staggered terms vote is void. The
people have spoken.
o
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I did not criticize,
You said the lied. That seems a tad critical.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You only talk about this sub committee, what about the other 15? They
are just as important, Springwood Ave, Downtown, Main Street these
sub committees will affect the future just as much or even more that
the Brachfront committee,
Perhaps if the council wasn't handling these 'contract negotiations' between
Marquette and the Partners in private sessions through its 'subcommittee' -
supposedly to avoid violating the Sunshine Law - we wouldn't have to speculate
about the status of the Partners' negotiations with Marquette.
hinge -
i agree, that would be bad. when everything starts looking teh same, no
matter where you go its bad. construction of buildings alone are whats been
bothering me these days. for the same price, youd think they can make them
look a little different. different doenst consist of
werner -
your shoot down the idea of bizzare and abstract versions of everday street
scapes. how would that not attrract people? isnt that what you want? a
destination point? it would sure give the waterfront a different look, and
more reasons for people to travel there. then
Jack I understand and respect your feelings as stated above. But with
thousands of people going to Red Bank everyday even in the winter,
doesn't that suggest the Red Bank model is a good one?
anyone who knocks red bank, in my oppion, has no idea what a downtown is
sopose to look like
Werner how about Long Branch? The similarities between their
beachfront and ours are many. Pier Village, where I went with my
family last weekend, is working very well.
Why do you think it wouldn't work in AP?
im sure werner will asnwer, but im reading this now, so here goes. i think
This it where AP has failed - trying to copy other's physical
development instead of following the path of least resistance and using
the techniques of building on one's own heritage and unique assets
isnt asbury parks downtown very similar to red banks downtown? at one point,
asbury
Chuck, It's not that i'm knocking Red Bank. It just doesn't have the vibe that
I like.
I know it's successful.
I spent tons of time in RB. I had an office there, I worked at the 2 Rivers
Times, did work at
Count Basie Theater.
I know i'm in the minority with my opinion, which is fine.
All I can
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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Hey Werner, how was your encounter with the State Police yesteday?
Were they looking for a body in you truck?? How many tickets did you
get? I guess the City was behind that too.
Werner how about Long Branch? The
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You had no problem anouncing to the group that AP cops were swarming
your house and that it was a setup by the city.
How is this relevent to the subject line?
If you want to know about my personal life
there is
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Werner how about Long Branch? The similarities between their
beachfront and ours are many. Pier Village, where I went with my
family last weekend, is working very well.
Why do you think it wouldn't work in AP?
I also remember going to Long Branch when I was a kid (mid-late 70's -
wow I feel old now), visiting the haunted mansion, etc... It was
well into it's decline but was still a very fun place to go. AP was
in a simliar state by then and you could argue all day about which
one was dead first,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But perhaps Werner you are more referring to the status as a major
high-end tourist mecca - which end for AP in the 50's and for LB well
before that if I'm not mistaken.
Exactly, And this points out the problem with
I think the biggest challenge I have Werner is that the waterfront
area's history from the era you rightfully site as the history is
just that - history. Unlike Cookman, where much of the
infrastructure remained and could be reused, there is not so much
left. Rather than a real historical
Well I must say, despite the nostalgic hold the Asbury of old still has on me,
I think that
this is one of the most lucid, best thought out posts i've seen in awhile about
the future of
Asbury. Good job.
For me, i'll just never understand why the powers the be in AP let all of the
old
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... Anyone with real estate experience shakes their
head at what has been going on here for the past 5 years.
As are those with planning, preservation, restoration, urban
revitalization, engineering and economic
Your source is wrong. Tell him I said so. MM laid out some
conditions that are currently being met. Once completed, MM starts
their work.
From your recount of your source's info, it became clear that it was
all made up when your source started to make MM sound like a social
justice
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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MM is in as soon as the contingencies are satisfied by Asbury
Partners.
What you state sounds like a contract. All information to date is there
is no contract. Do you have any info to the contrary? Perhaps
But what are your feelings about the artists rendering of the redevelopment?
Do you see them creating a mall by the sea with very little sensitivity to
preserving what
little is left of Asbury's heritage?
Maybe i'm very much in the minority on this, but I figured I'd put it out there.
All I can
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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Your source is wrong. Tell him I said so. MM laid out some
conditions that are currently being met. Once completed, MM starts
their work.
From your recount of your source's info, it became clear that it
was
Fred, You are incorrect in your assumptions as to what the 'planned'
direction was.
The plan was not to 'attract people year round' is was to create a year-
round residential community. Visitors were not calculated into the mix
as evidenced by the planning board testimony. Parking for visitors
Werner,
Based on your understanding of not wanting to attract people why do
you suppose there were several hotels included in the design?
Thanks
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fred, You are incorrect in your assumptions as to what
the 'planned'
Werner,
Based on your understanding of not wanting to attract people why do
you suppose there were several hotels included in the design?
Thanks
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fred, You are incorrect in your assumptions as to what
the 'planned'
Werner,
Is this for real;
I suppose most folks have never seen the rendering
of the interior of the 'new' Casino as a 3 level shopping mall.
Where can one go to see that? If this is in fact the direction they
are going in, where the hell are the going to put parking for that?
I wonder what kinda
Arhythmick,
The BC Hotel was pre-existing and had made a comeback over the years
in spite of the lack of redevelopment. Its size and use made it
undesirable for condemnation. The same for the Empress, it was being
rehabed as a gay enclave. They were written into the plan to be saved
unless
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Werner,
Is this for real;
I suppose most folks have never seen the rendering
of the interior of the 'new' Casino as a 3 level shopping mall.
Where can one go to see that? If this is in fact the direction they
are going in,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The 'visitors should go elswhere' mentality.
Who needs us bennies. Sure like our re tax payments though.
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who is doing the work in the downstairs portion of the howard jonhsons
building? asbury partners or the mm? someone said it was mm?i did notice
some work being done on the windows above the hall opening, on the south side.
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when you talk about having convention hall being a destination. what exaclty
do you mean? are you talking about higher things, more then what its been used
for in the past? (before the whole redevelopment stuff started) i think its
just something that is there, everyone knows its there.
Werner is 100% correct with this post below!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Fred, You are incorrect in your assumptions as to what
the 'planned'
direction was.
The plan was not to 'attract people year round' is was to create a
year-
round
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