opaqueice;151344 Wrote:
Hi Tom,
if it's not too much trouble, would you mind giving a few more details
on your test?
Specifically:
Did you make sure the volumes were level, and if so, how? (This
question is absolutely crucial!)
How did you blind it - did a third person make the
DCtoDaylight;151409 Wrote:
I seem to recall reading somewhere that 10m was the longest length
allowed by the TOSLINK spec? Of course now that I'm looking, I can't
find it! In any event, when you start pushing the lengths, you're more
and more likely to find marginal components
It
highdudgeon;151261 Wrote:
I don't quite understand the TP's jitter rejection scheme. However, it
is obviously so good, and the analog output so good, that it doesn't
matter. I definitely prefer the all-in-one-box solution...and I was
prepared to prefer the two box solution and see the
OK, here goes again. Brain burn in does not remotely explain it to me.
If I put a new component in place and it sounds hideous and unmusical
for a week or two, how come when I go to an audiophile mate's place and
listen to his (burned in) system it sounds great? How come my brain
doesn't need
Simon;135133 Wrote:
I have built a couple of these
http://www.triode-systems.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=4
over the years... it has proved a massive upgrade
I have something simliar (a bit chunkier) feeding my power amp. Very
noticeably better than without. And cheap too!
peejay;151446 Wrote:
I don't wish to distract anyone from this exchange, and I certainly
cannot offer much more than I already have to this thread on the topic,
but I can't help noticing how discussions over power supplies seem to
bring out the most animated opinons (if anyone remembers the
Radiohead White Stripes sounding good ist exactly what I needed to
know. It's important that not only hi-end bing-bang jazz works with
these dacs, but also real down to earth good music.
Thanks!
Topa.
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opaqueice;151461 Wrote:
Well, here we're mainly trying to determine if there is a difference at
all. Deciding which is better, as you are pointing out, is tricky and
another question entirely.
I was worried that one SB might simply be slightly louder than the
other. This could happen
opaqueice;151460 Wrote:
Whether something sounds good could depend on what you ate for
breakfast, whether the sun is shining, if the Republicans won the
election, if there is some wax in your left ear it's not about
brain burn in (although there are well-known adpatation effects in
...and do not forget to take the wife along when purchasing speakers ,
given the size of japanese living rooms, she might object to moving the
sofa into the kitchen to make place for the new purchase...
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The best kind of amp, I think, is the kind of amp that will allow you to
buy the best possible speakers within your overall budget. There are
differences in amps, to be sure, and they are especially obvious when
comparing tube and solid state amps (which says something about amp
construction,
opaqueice;151490 Wrote:
Suppose we put a bunch of audiophiles in a room and played two systems
for them after explaining that one was much better than the other -
because it had fancy cables, power conditioners, a nice amp, or
whatever. We might make the systems look different externally,
opaqueice;151493 Wrote:
I don't agree it's a no-no. In fact I don't know how you would possibly
decide which you like better other than by A/B - the only alternative is
to only listen to one, which would make the decision rather
meaningless...
Probably you mean rapid switching between
tomjtx;151496 Wrote:
Should you qualify the above by saying subtle differences , or somewhat
subtle differences?
Might the question be: At what level of difference does the ear/mind
begin to fail us in distinguishing differences? An extreme example
would be a transistor radio (remember
Jenks;151437 Wrote:
OK, here goes again. Brain burn in does not remotely explain it to me.
If I put a new component in place and it sounds hideous and unmusical
for a week or two, how come when I go to an audiophile mate's place and
listen to his (burned in) system it sounds great? How
I'd like to buy a Bolder modded Elpac power supply.. If someone is
upgrading to a Transporter, or what ever pleae let me know. And yes I
know I could buy the PS and send it off but I'm lazy
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opaqueice;151514 Wrote:
I wonder if there's a skill there - probably psychologists would call
it metacognition - of learning to recognize when things really are
there versus when they might be your brain fooling you. If you've ever
messed around with, say, foobar with the ABXY plugin, at
tyler_durden;151519 Wrote:
Human minds are easy to fool- ever see slight-of-hand magic performed?
If it is so easy for someone else to fool us, imagine how much easier
it is to fool ourselves.
Just for my own interest - optical illusions are commonplace, is there
such a thing as an audio
CardinalFang;151522 Wrote:
BTW, this is my faveourite optical illusion - square A *is* the same
colour as square B. You need to download it into a paint package to
verify the colour is the same no matter what your eyes are telling you!
That's a very good one - thanks!
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peejay;150623 Wrote:
I recently invested in a 12V lead acid battery - completely sealed so
'clean' for a domestic environment, purchased a DC-DC regulator and am
VERY happy with the result. How did it affect the music - In every way
an AC supply cannot. Take my advice and look at battery
That's a solid piece and you can probably get a good deal on a used or
demo model.
gobikey;151516 Wrote:
I like the looks and sound of this by my silver transporter.
http://www.stereophile.com/integratedamps/205krell
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Relax. It's about the music.
CardinalFang;151522 Wrote:
Just for my own interest - optical illusions are commonplace, is there
such a thing as an audio illusion? EDIT yes there is!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_illusion
fascinating link, thanks for that
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Same here. I am also in the market for a Bolder modded Elpac. I was
planning on buying one and sending it to Bolder for modification but
time constraints (ie work) are making this increasingly difficult. In
addition, what time I do have, is spent trying to acquire slightly more
important
As far as time and effort goes, just order one from digikey and have it
sent directly to Wayne. After I placed the order for mine, I just sat
back and less than a week later it was at my door. It couldn't be any
easier. And IMO it is totally worth it.
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CardinalFang;151561 Wrote:
Following the links on Wikipedia led to this short piece from the German
Magazine AUDIO that is very revealing:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthread.php?t=676404
Oh - here's the link to a page to help you determine what type of
response to music you
P Floding;151499 Wrote:
As I said, A/B with level matching is useless for picking a winner. I
stated exactly why earlier.
I'm with Phil here. A/B is great for showing differences, but what
does that mean? I find I have to live for a system for quite some
before I can really decide if it's
Some great posts and links here, thanks to all.
I'm now looking forward to going to my audio dealer and being given an
audio test before they'll recommend anything!
Ceejay
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highdudgeon;151495 Wrote:
Oh, and I would say this: maybe stay away from tube amps. They don't
have the same bass response and high resolution as well-made solid
state amps.
Outrageous flamebait :D
Listen for yourself is all. Krell stuff is highly respected, but the
last Krell I heard
When I said brains burn in, what I meant was that over time you can
become accustomed to almost anythingto the point where it ceases to
be as obvious or intrusive as it was when you first noticed it. The
human brain is fantastically good at adaptive filtering (especially on
sight and sound).
None of your explanations fit my experiences. I don't intend to
document them here because I don't have to prove anything to you. What
I am more interested in is your closed minds. Primarily this is a forum
for people to express their experiences, not a forum for scientific
proof, so won't
tomjtx;151570 Wrote:
I guess this would be a nature versus nurture debate.I would have to agree -
I like a lot of what I grew up listening to -
Motown, 60's pop and glam as well as a lot of acoustic and rock. In
fact I have a bit of everything in my collection, but I do like things
that my
adamslim;151574 Wrote:
Listen for yourself is all. Krell stuff is highly respected, but the
last Krell I heard sounded laughably bland to my ears.
Give me a tube amp any day of the week! ;-)
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adamslim;151571 Wrote:
I can thoroughly enjoy radically different systems; there's no single
'best', IMO.
Absolutely agree!
I'm lucky enough to have the space for two independent systems,
one with cone speakers high-power transistor amps (BW + Krell),
the other with electrostatic speakers
CardinalFang;151561 Wrote:
Following the links on Wikipedia led to this short piece from the German
Magazine AUDIO that is very revealing:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthread.php?t=676404
Oh - here's the link to a page to help you determine what type of
response to music you
adamslim;151571 Wrote:
I'm with Phil here. A/B is great for showing differences, but what does
that mean? I find I have to live for a system for quite some before I
can really decide if it's better.
Yes there are often gross differences in tonality, but these don't
really mean anything.
Gildahl;151538 Wrote:
I'm very interested in learning more about this battery solution. I've
asked about this here before, but received replies that kind of
discouraged the idea. What do folks here think about chemical reaction
noise, non-sinusoidal waves and other battery issues? It
teq;151218 Wrote:
What kind of speakers - to be honest, I don't know. What different types
are there? (ok, I can tell that I am going to embarrass every one
now...) Some years ago, I had horn-type (folded horn - I have no idea
what the correct term in English is) speakers which have an
adamslim;151574 Wrote:
Outrageous flamebait :D
Listen for yourself is all. Krell stuff is highly respected, but the
last Krell I heard sounded laughably bland to my ears. If I owned it,
I'd never play music. But that's my ears - highdudgeon's are
undoubtedly different (although his
P Floding;150870 Wrote:
My current setup sounds absolutely NOTHING LIKE just hooking up the SB3
to the TacT! So any comparisons like the one you mentioned is not
relevant.
Lets put it this way, if I had compared the SB3 straight with the
Transporter and the Transporter sounded like my
Me too, really. I have McIntosh solid state, which is superb, and
Bryston is in the same category. I'd take either over Krell. On the
other side of the spectrum, I've had Nuforce 9.02s in regular use
lately and think they are great.
However, I keep an audiomat arpege reference and McIntosh
adamslim;151574 Wrote:
Outrageous flamebait :D
Listen for yourself is all. Krell stuff is highly respected, but the
last Krell I heard sounded laughably bland to my ears. If I owned it,
I'd never play music. But that's my ears - highdudgeon's are
undoubtedly different (although his
Check out the latest Absolute Sound. They do a comparison of class D
amps. Nu-Force, Rowland and a # of others. Very interesting. If you
like the class D sound ,you might want to audition some of these.
Some people do think class D amps sound different just as tubes sound
different,
but I don't
jhm731;151630 Wrote:
You must have a remarkable system, if you think it compares to
Sleestack's gear.
Other than the Aberdeen PSU, what upgrades have you done to your RCS
and SB, and what's the rest of your system?
I don't think I have compared anything with anyone's system?
I have used
When I connected my Squeezebox to my Bose Lifestyle system using the
analogue connections and the lead that came with the Squeezebox I was
very disappointed with the quality of sound.
Switching to the digital output into the the D/A converter on my
Lifestyle it was much better - as I would
oliver_guy;151643 Wrote:
When I connected my Squeezebox to my Bose Lifestyle system using the
analogue connections and the lead that came with the Squeezebox I was
very disappointed with the quality of sound.
Switching to the digital output into the the D/A converter on my
Lifestyle it
P Floding;151646 Wrote:
Try cleaning the connectors of the analogue leads. Make sure they are a
tight fit.
What digital connector did you use for the digital hookup?
I used the cable that came with the Squeezebox for the analogue output,
then again (one side only, clearly) for the digital
oliver_guy;151648 Wrote:
I used the cable that came with the Squeezebox for the analogue output,
then again (one side only, clearly) for the digital (ie non-optical)
output.
ok, that cable is not meant for digital transmission. (As far as I
remember.)
I have found that using the wrong type
I just took receipt of my lovely new Transporter and tried to hook it up
- only to find it need slimserver 6.5 and the version required for
InfrantNas is 'coming soon' - so I can't listen to the damn thing!
Does anyone know the eta for the Infrant-compatible v. 6.6?
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I prefer the dac in my Arcam reciever to the dac in my SB2, however I
believe someone else did the same test and prefered the SB2 dac.
I was using a £30 analogue cable and a £180 digi coax though - maybe
not a fair test a!
Have been meaning to have a play with my new IC's for a while now but
That article is pretty odd -- I think most of the reviewers are being
overly biased. Chris Maartins really likes the Nuforce...and TAS did
give it a Golden Ear award. I think it is a solid performer and pretty
much indistinguishable from other good solid state amps. Bass is
extremely good,
wreford wrote:
I just took receipt of my lovely new Transporter and tried to hook it up
- only to find it need slimserver 6.5 and the version required for
InfrantNas is 'coming soon' - so I can't listen to the damn thing!
Does anyone know the eta for the Infrant-compatible v. 6.6?
highdudgeon;151662 Wrote:
That article is pretty odd -- I think most of the reviewers are being
overly biased. Chris Maartins really likes the Nuforce...and TAS did
give it a Golden Ear award. I think it is a solid performer and pretty
much indistinguishable from other good solid state
Totally agree that people hear things differently. The brain is
designed to decode sound to make sense of it - part of both our hunter
and survivor skills - and a lot of that work is done in the time or
phase domian. I do a lot of my experimentation (nearly 100 documented
experiments on
Well yes that's cool...
dielectrics do degrade over time...through oxidation etc
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In my experience, dedicated lines, (use ceramic fuses by the way, all
else sounds markedly worse), and good power cords does the trick, and
no conditioner I have tried has done anything than make the sound worse
in that context. Also, in that context replacing any single cord with a
stock cord
regalma1;136221 Wrote:
I once was a tech in lab that unknown to me had voltage difference
between the grounds of two circuits. One guy plugged a tape recorder
into one outlet and the source into another. It blew the inputs to the
recorder. I found a voltage between the grounds on the two
Don't know about your Bose specifically, but I suspect it's like most
mid-to-low-level consumer audio equipment in that it converts all
analog inputs into digital, then back to analog again before going to
the amps. That adds 2 extra conversions in the pipeline. This is done
because it's easier
Cost - quality = NOT!
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JackOfAll;151597 Wrote:
Give me a tube amp any day of the week! ;-)
It's purely a subjective (i.e. personal) choice - nothing to do with
ANY kind of science thank goodness. If you like bananas eat bananas. If
you don't ..don't.
Tube amps can sound great as can SS ones. Life just ain't
P Floding;151641 Wrote:
I don't think I have compared anything with anyone's system?
I have used a pair of Audiophysics Caldera speakers (retailed at $20k)
in my house (I have them in storage at the moment), but currently use
Yamaha NS-2000 instead. Money doesn't have to equate audio
jhm731;151693 Wrote:
I agree, Money doesn't have to equate audio superiority.
Sleestack found the Aberdeen NorthStar Transport also outperformed his
more expensive Esoteric gear.
Sleestack and other TacT users that have heard both the SB and Aberdeen
NorthStar Transport, prefer the NS.
CardinalFang;151561 Wrote:
Following the links on Wikipedia led to this short piece from the German
Magazine AUDIO that is very revealing:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthread.php?t=676404
Oh - here's the link to a page to help you determine what type of
response to music you
From what i've read about Bose systems, i think there is a lot of
tweaking of the audio to make it sound 'good' in the right environment
throught their basic paper speaker cones.
here is a good right up: http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html
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P Floding;151696 Wrote:
I have only replaced the power supply, and treated all contacs.
It may be only in terms of work, but it is massive in terms of
performance improvement.
I've tried the contact enhancements, IMO, the improvement is
nowhere near the other upgrades I listed.
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azinck3;151684 Wrote:
Don't know about your Bose specifically, but I suspect it's like most
mid-to-low-level consumer audio equipment in that it converts all
analog inputs into digital, then back to analog again before going to
the amps. That adds 2 extra conversions in the pipeline. This
Whether designing, building, modifying or just buying, we all need
models that help us decide what to do. You can say 'just listen', but
how do you listen to everything, or worse still as a designer, build
everything. I can see in Sean's posts what some of his models are, and
they are different
so what does it mean when you get 6 of 12 like I just did?
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Well yes that's cool...
dielectrics do degrade over time...through oxidation etc
Is that intended to be a put down or did you just misread my post? The
military wanted to degrade the dielectric before use?
Since you are so dogmatic about it Phil, how many controlled
experiments on burn in have
highdudgeon;151495 Wrote:
The best kind of amp, I think, is the kind of amp that will allow you to
buy the best possible speakers within your overall budget. There are
differences in amps, to be sure, and they are especially obvious when
comparing tube and solid state amps (which says
Like it!! Did you need to vomit on the Transporter to get it to sound
better? Sounds more like a soak test than burn in, but certainly novel
and something I have not tried.
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There will be a double blind test of the stomach flu/TP sound on the
next SouthPark episode
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On one level I don't totally agree with you Highdudgeon. Yes the
differences between speakers is vast, in terms of tonal flavour,
extension, dynamics, etc. But I have heard very few speakers that
cannot be made to sound musical. I cannot so easily say that of amps.
In blind tests different
Jenks;151728 Wrote:
Whether designing, building, modifying or just buying, we all need
models that help us decide what to do. You can say 'just listen', but
how do you listen to everything, or worse still as a designer, build
everything. I can see in Sean's posts what some of his models
Jenks;151741 Wrote:
On one level I don't totally agree with you Highdudgeon. Yes the
differences between speakers is vast, in terms of tonal flavour,
extension, dynamics, etc. But I have heard very few speakers that
cannot be made to sound musical. I cannot so easily say that of amps.
A kiwi and drive on the wrong side of the world.
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Jenks;151747 Wrote:
A kiwi and drive on the wrong side of the world.
I'm sorry, I don't get that, where are you from. Sorry to be so dense
(I'll blame it on the flu.
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Yes, I live in New Zealand (or middle earth to some), sorry about being
so cryptic when you are ridden with the flu.
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