wshields;171752 Wrote:
> It is misleading "Marketing". If you want to accept it as okay and allow
> it to become the norm, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
No..I detest such ads.. but it's all over the place, what can you do
about it? Just turn on your TV:
"Cable phone, call anywher
opaqueice;171773 Wrote:
> You might check this one, which I've seen new for $180:
>
Your choice of the number 180 makes me wonder if you wrote the article
:-)
Interesting site, though slightly overzealous imho.
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USAudio;171792 Wrote:
> Check out the Digital Link III from PS Audio:
> http://www.psaudio.com/products/digital_link_iii.asp
> Apparently they're selling them faster than they can make them.
325xi has has some similar sounding gear probably(Sim Audio family
sound anyways). See sig that reflects
Check out the Digital Link III from PS Audio:
http://www.psaudio.com/products/digital_link_iii.asp
Apparently they're selling them faster than they can make them.
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SuperQ wrote:
UDP is not "faster" than TCP. What games, and video streams gain with
UDP is timeliness. The older the game state packet is, the less
important it is to what's happening now, so who cares if it's lost.
This is why real-time applications like games and video use UDP.
It's sad t
mikeruss;171352 Wrote:
> Error correction over TCP/IP happens all the time - e.g. hence why
> gamers/games use UDP because the there is no error correction and is
> therefor faster - but you can suffer from packet loss - udp has no
> error correction- which is why you often get parts of the image
Since Stella was mentioned earlier in this thread...
I noticed the Stella DA100 ( http://hifi500.com/product/da100.htm ) is
using the AKM 4395 dac chip. What I'm wondering, the Transporter used
the AKM 4396 dac, does that mean that the da100 might have a similar
sound?
The thing looks pretty nic
Hi,
since you have MMGs, they will somewhat limit you in your choices. You
need an amp that is stable at 4 ohm and is capable of delivering high
current and, at least, 50 W/ch. Why not stay with NAD, it's proven
robust. Nad 352 with 80w/ch or Nad 372 with 120W/ch (both at 8 Ohms
,and that almost
You might check this one, which I've seen new for $180:
http://www.behringer.com/A500/index.cfm?lang=ENG
reviewed here:
http://theaudiocritic.com/blog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=20&blogId=1
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opaqueic
Hi In a quandary oover what would be a good power upgrade for my
current, very basic setup. An old NAD 740 receiver with pre-outs and
some Magnapan MMG's.
My next step I think is to upgrade the power suplly...I'm thinking a
power amp with at least 100w/ch and preferably 200w.
I'm consiidering u
adamslim;171719 Wrote:
> So the only possible difference between FLAC and WAV is that with FLAC,
> something in the SB3 is doing some decoding (which it is very good at
> doing), whereas with WAV, it's idle or generally chilling out. This is
> giving some negative vibe in some way to some other
That's very interesting. I have Rush's Vapor Trails and one of my
favorite songs "Earthshine" sounds awful if I really crank up the
volume. My system is very revealing and if it's a poor recording, it
will show. Now I know why!
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PhilNYC;171765 Wrote:
> This will be my last post on the subject, because I think the original
> point by wshield has been made and we're getting somewhat off-topic.
> But I will mention that this whole selling-direct thing is still very
> new to Bel Canto...they just started with the direct thi
This will be my last post on the subject, because I think the original
point by wshield has been made and we're getting somewhat off-topic.
But I will mention that this whole selling-direct thing is still very
new to Bel Canto...they just started with the direct thing a couple of
months ago, and
PhilNYC;171756 Wrote:
> There are a couple of reasons why a consumer might do what Bel Canto
> describes:
>
> -There are some dealers who will not accomodate a home-demo (either via
> policy or that they just don't have the specific component available)
> -There are some dealers who unethically
PhilNYC;171756 Wrote:
> There are a couple of reasons why a consumer might do what Bel Canto
> describes:
>
> -There are some dealers who will not accomodate a home-demo (either via
> policy or that they just don't have the specific component available)
> -There are some dealers who unethically
totoro;171750 Wrote:
> Yeah, I thought of that after posting. It might be impossible to balance
> having dealers _and_ selling direct. That said, if someone wanted to use
> the services of a dealer, why would they demo from bel canto first? I'd
> assume in that case, they'd have a dealer they cou
95bcwh;171745 Wrote:
> Come on.. you weren't born yesterday are you? This is called
> "Marketing"!!! Such ads are all over the place.
It's still dishonest marketing. The caveat emptor line is no
justification.
If I take this line of reasoning to what seems the logical conclusion,
it's ok to ste
95bcwh;171745 Wrote:
> Come on.. you weren't born yesterday are you? This is called
> "Marketing"!!! Such ads are all over the place.
It is misleading "Marketing". If you want to accept it as okay and
allow it to become the norm, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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PhilNYC;171743 Wrote:
> How is it a pricing problem? I think its the issue of trying to balance
> a dealer network while trying to sell direct...they are essentially
> competing with their dealers, and if a dealer doesn't want to offer a
> 30-day trial, they will have to compete on some other ba
PhilNYC;171743 Wrote:
> How is it a pricing problem? I think its the issue of trying to balance
> a dealer network while trying to sell direct...they are essentially
> competing with their dealers, and if a dealer doesn't want to offer a
> 30-day trial, they will have to compete on some other ba
wshields;169437 Wrote:
> I got an RMA. Why would a company call something a "NO RISK Purchase
> plan" then charge a 5% restocking fee? What does no risk mean to you
> smart guy?
>
Come on.. you weren't born yesterday are you? This is called
"Marketing"!!! Such ads are all over the place.
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totoro;171737 Wrote:
> If their own dealers are undercutting them, then they have a pricing
> problem, IMHO.
>
How is it a pricing problem? I think its the issue of trying to
balance a dealer network while trying to sell direct...they are
essentially competing with their dealers, and if a deal
sonofcolin;171735 Wrote:
> People could get the new stuff from Bel Canto to demo for 15 days,
> decide they like it, send it back to Bel Canto and buy it else where
> much cheaper.
While that is true, bel canto would still make money off the dealer
sale. Did they say why they call it a "No Risk
sonofcolin;171735 Wrote:
> People could get the new stuff from Bel Canto to demo for 15 days,
> decide they like it, send it back to Bel Canto and buy it else where
> much cheaper.
If their own dealers are undercutting them, then they have a pricing
problem, IMHO.
If they're worried about peopl
wshields;171695 Wrote:
> Funny, they have never bothered to email me back. Could you give us a
> summary of their perspectve?
People could get the new stuff from Bel Canto to demo for 15 days,
decide they like it, send it back to Bel Canto and buy it else where
much cheaper.
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PhilNYC wrote:
> Triode;171708 Wrote:
>> Jitter only exists when you reconstruct the the bitstream in real time.
>> Files only contain the bits and the defined sampling rate, they don't
>> contain anything which would equate to jitter, i.e. there is no timing
>> information. When you reconstruct
ceejay,
You are exactly right. The beginners page has everything EXCEPT how to
connect the SB3/Tp. LOL! Guess everyone thought it was obvious.
I was going to put a single sentence in that basically said
"Connect your squeezebox3 or Transporter to your integrated amp,
preamp, AV pre/pro or dire
So the only possible difference between FLAC and WAV is that with FLAC,
something in the SB3 is doing some decoding (which it is very good at
doing), whereas with WAV, it's idle or generally chilling out. This is
giving some negative vibe in some way to some other bit in the SB3, and
this is mani
PhilNYC;171712 Wrote:
> I'm not saying that the "file is jittery". But when you play an Apple
> Lossless file on a Slim Devices system, SlimServer converts that Apple
> Lossless file into FLAC/WAV on-the-fly (as you put it)...and that is
> where I am saying that perhaps some jitter is being intr
PhilNYC;171712 Wrote:
> I'm not saying that the "file is jittery". But when you play an Apple
> Lossless file on a Slim Devices system, SlimServer converts that Apple
> Lossless file into FLAC/WAV on-the-fly (as you put it)...and that is
> where I am saying that perhaps some jitter is being intr
jonheal;171630 Wrote:
> I'm afraid that in the universe of audiophilia, bits are not necessarily
> bits. You can make up your own reality here. It's, you know, like some
> kind of New Age religion, but with better treble response.
I have no problem with bits, it's the bl**dy bobs that get me...
Triode;171708 Wrote:
> Jitter only exists when you reconstruct the the bitstream in real time.
> Files only contain the bits and the defined sampling rate, they don't
> contain anything which would equate to jitter, i.e. there is no timing
> information. When you reconstruct the bitstream, a lo
andyg;171704 Wrote:
> What? You can convert back and forth between FLAC and WAV (or any other
> lossless format) until you are blue in the face; the PCM data will
> always be identical.
Sure, the data will be the same, but the timing may not be. The
Digital-to-Analog process is, in the end, an
PhilNYC;171699 Wrote:
> Why wouldn't it be the answer? A jittery WAV file absolutely might
> sound worse than a FLAC file being converted to a WAV file with less
> jitter.
Jitter only exists when you reconstruct the the bitstream in real time.
Files only contain the bits and the defined samplin
ceejay;171697 Wrote:
> Anyone feeling bold?
Sounds like a nice Friday morning project - I'll give it a go if
everyone's OK with this.
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"It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble
response." - Jon Heal
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PhilNYC;171699 Wrote:
> Why wouldn't it be the answer? A jittery WAV file absolutely might
> sound worse than a FLAC file being converted to a WAV file with less
> jitter.
What? You can convert back and forth between FLAC and WAV (or any other
lossless format) until you are blue in the face; th
here's an interesting article about jitter (with measurements and all!)
http://www.jitter.de/english/sound.html
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Patrick Dixon;171619 Wrote:
> Whatever the explanation for it, this definitely isn't it!
>
> What sounds better about the WAV files?
Why wouldn't it be the answer? A jittery WAV file absolutely might
sound worse than a FLAC file being converted to a WAV file with less
jitter.
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So
Well the first page is the BeginnersGuide and it is meant to be just the
headlines with shortcuts to the pages with more info. The
BeginnersGuideOverview goes into more detail and is intended to be
readable in its own right.
I did start to draft a paragraph to go in the Overview page but quickly
Funny, they have never bothered to email me back. Could you give us a
summary of their message?
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andyg;171624 Wrote:
> I don't understand what you mean by left and right channels being
> correctly timed... bit-perfect playback means the same bits that go in
> come out untouched.Well the bits for the left channel can be perfect, and the
> bits for the
right channel can be perfect too, but if
nicketynick;171666 Wrote:
> I'm shocked and dismayed that Paul Simon's latest is 'loud'. Is it the
> collaboration with Brian Eno? They both should know better.
You may be onto something, the Eno/Byrne 'bush of ghosts' remaster is
loud. Switching to the 25yo version the volume goes from loud t
azinck3;171602 Wrote:
> Sorry for any confusion, I was just joking ;).
Me too, or being facetious at least. It was mainly an intro for the
comment that followed, to wit; A good power supply won't get _hot_ or
hum. The Transporter has transformers, yet the knob is the culprit of
mechanical noise
I'm shocked and dismayed that Paul Simon's latest is 'loud'. Is it the
collaboration with Brian Eno? They both should know better. And be
more than capable of (and have the integrity) refusing to cave to
demands from the execs who don't know any better. I wish there was a
way of getting him to
Thanks for the feedback.
With no load, I measured the wall wart's voltage at 5.18vdc.
I've build/modified a number of power supplies, both linear
and SMPS, and my experience has been that they do improve after being
powered up for 48 hours or more. For example, the makers of Black Gate
capacitor
mrfantasy;171618 Wrote:
> That CDs might suck because most people are listening to their music via
> AAC files (iTunes) or MP3s (everything else) and the dynamic range
> matters less in those realms. I'm guessing that such mastering makes
> MP3/AAC rips that sound "better" on computer speakers.
Yes, it used to be that music was produced for listening over a car
radio, now it's probably produced for how it plays back in 128 kbps AAC
form in an iPod.
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Just to update. I did finally receive a response (co-incidence?) I will
not post a private message here, but I can say that they did explain
their perspective regarding the offer quite clearly. My opinion:
Contact Bel Canto directly and get your questions answered .
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sonofcolin
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jonheal;171630 Wrote:
> It's, you know, like some kind of New Age religion, but with better
> treble response.
:-)
ROFL! Post of the month here!
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I'm no expert on this stuff, but as long as the signal stays in the
digital domain jitter is not a factor, unless it is so extreme it
causes a misread. It is when the digital stream that contains jitter is
converted to analog that by-products are produced. The DAC being,
essentially an analog devi
?...Transatlantic Fibre works just fine AFAIK...
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Plug the SB directly into the preamp, and try a different input on the
preamp.
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Yes I did test the voltage (spot on 5V), yes I did wire the unit
correctly, and yes I did have it running for over 4 weeks constantly
before I tried the A/B test.
(I don't want to start a flame either, but running in a power supply
shouldn't really make any difference if its working correctly to
As ever thanks for the replies.
I have been given a few ideas to try and at least a direction to go in.
I'll let you know how I get on after listening to a few different
combinations.
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sonofcolin;171547 Wrote:
> I emailed Bel Canto twice regarding the 'in home' demo and questioned
> them about the particulars of the 'no risk' policy (Dec / Jan). I never
> received a response to any of my questions. Shame, as I liked the
> products I was interested in 'on paper.'
To me, all the
andyg;171627 Wrote:
> OK so I'm not an audiophile by any means, but if you would agree that
> the bits are the same, then I can't really continue this discussion. ;)
I'm afraid that in the universe of audiophilia, bits are not
necessarily bits. You can make up your own reality here. It's like, y
SteveEast;171614 Wrote:
> Are you sure the WMA lossless files are being transcoded to FLAC or WAV
> and not MP3?
>
> Steve.
Yep, i only have flac, built in and wav ticked in the filename
settings, if it is what u meant ..
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etfun2000;171625 Wrote:
> agian, i think i know and i believe 100 % of bits are the same, so i was
> looking ( aside being insane..) for explanations OUT of the bit
> integrity story
OK so I'm not an audiophile by any means, but if you would agree that
the bits are the same, then I can't really
Andy Grundman;171615 Wrote:
>
> One way to test this is to record the digital coax or optical PCM
> signal from the SB at full volume with a soundcard that has digital-
> in (such as on any recent Mac) and compare the bits. You should end
> up with the exact bits in the original WAV file,
That CDs might suck because most people are listening to their music via
AAC files (iTunes) or MP3s (everything else) and the dynamic range
matters less in those realms. I'm guessing that such mastering makes
MP3/AAC rips that sound "better" on computer speakers.
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--Mike
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Are you sure the WMA lossless files are being transcoded to FLAC or WAV
and not MP3?
Steve.
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On Jan 18, 2007, at 2:28 PM, PhilNYC wrote:
You know, I didn't want to think I was going insane either, but having
just converted all of my Apple Lossless files into WAV files, I
think I
am getting better sound with the WAV files too. I think you might be
correct that the fact that WAV is
You know, I didn't want to think I was going insane either, but having
just converted all of my Apple Lossless files into WAV files, I think I
am getting better sound with the WAV files too. I think you might be
correct that the fact that WAV is supported natively by SB/TP might be
the right idea
Hi,
i KNOW there is PHYSICALLY no way a flac should or not sound or not
better than wma lossless.. however...Most of my flac files do sounds
better than ma WMA ones..(same ripper:eac)
i even went to rip same CD in both flac (level 5) and wma lossless (eac
again) and went for a blind test.. i se
Finally this is getting better and better known.
> "In 1992 I did an album for a British heavy metal band. I got a
> panic-stricken message from their A&R man in America, saying 'We're
> really worried, the new album, it's not as loud as Aerosmith' or
> something. That was the start of it."
I kn
Skunk;171442 Wrote:
> It came from ebay so perhaps it's used, like so many others which seem
> to have noise/heat issues, in which case it'll have been run-in.
Sorry for any confusion, I was just joking ;).
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az
Without wanting to start another Power Supply 'flame war' I suggest you
plug the new supply in, leave it running for a week then try again.
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Vie
Eric Carroll;171438 Wrote:
> There is a wiki page AvReceivers from MarkL there
> http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AVReceivers
> I don't see it linked in anywhere that I can find yet.
That was me. I'm not quite sure where to link it from - I didn't find
an appropriate place in the Beginner
I did a review of a full modded Bolder SB with the 750.00 PSU V the
Transporter.
The TP was clearly better in every respect and I think it would be a
waste of money to go the mod route. The full Bolder mods cost more than
the TP and doesn't sound as good IMHO.
I also tried a stock elpac into the
Did you measure the voltage setting on the PowerOne linear(it's
adjustable)? Are you sure you had the AC hot and neutral connected
correctly? Too low a voltage setting or incorrect mains connections can
cause the linear psu to hum.
Yes, AC quality can effect power supply performance. I connect my
What is the situation with this now?
I own CD33 and thinking to do the same thing.
Modded SB3 + DAC. I have looked this DAC:
http://www.diykits.com.hk/da7.2.html
Best regards
Fkuti
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I emailed Bel Canto twice regarding the 'in home' demo and questioned
them about the particulars of the 'no risk' policy (Dec / Jan). I never
received a response to any of my questions. Shame, as I liked the
products I was interested in 'on paper.'
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The best way to diagnose problems like that is process of elimination.
The first thing I'd try is swapping the two SB3's. If you still have
the same problem in the downstairs system, it's not that one SB is
defective. Then try swapping the DACs, etc.
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opaqueice
I just set up my second Squeezebox system, this one in my listening room
downstairs (my "big" system as opposed to the smaller system in my
living room where I have had an SB3 and a Benchmark DAC-1 running since
Christmas). My big system has an Audio Research VT-100 MkIII amp, BAT
VK30SE preamp, a
I have the SB going into an Adcom gtp600 preamp tied to a 6 zone
amplifier that I am able to get all the volume I desire with, but my
problem lies in that I took an RCA interconnect to my downstairs Denon
A/V receiver to play SB in basement and at full volume I can't get the
loudness I am seeking.
Success With The Radio Shack Isolator.thanks
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The lower efficiency of linear power supplies results in them getting
hotter than a switching power supply, thats just physics - (the
conservation of energy)
The hum I referred to is being emitted from the PS (not as signal
through the amp) google "transformer hum", it appears they all do it to
s
Phil Leigh;171357 Wrote:
> Yes, we probably are at cross purposes! My the fibre would be replaced
> by coax...
> regards,
> Phil
Nah - you have distances n' stuff to woory about.
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For those interested, here's an engineering view on the topic
http://sound.westhost.com/power-supplies.htm#dc-sound.
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>From The Guardian, UK
Commenting on the often poor mastering of modern CD's
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1992325,00.html
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azinck3;171414 Wrote:
> And you did all this without giving the linear any burn-in time?
>
It came from ebay so perhaps it's used, like so many others which seem
to have noise/heat issues, in which case it'll have been run-in.
If aftermarket power supplies are making noise and getting hot, th
There is a wiki page AvReceivers from MarkL there
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AVReceivers
I don't see it linked in anywhere that I can find yet.
Thanks for the correction, its a first draft. Change made.
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Good job, something like this was needed. Unfortunately they will still
ask how to hook up and use integrated amps/receivers, especially the
volume control.
I would also point out that the opening line reads like a poor
translation:
"The Transporter and Squeezebox make a novel configuration opti
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