Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP - let's be friendly

Hi All , Axis2 mailing list used to be a very active and very friendly mailing list , so let's try to keep that as it is. I would like to request from everyone , let's not try to use this list for any personal attack. Whether we agree with someone or not we all try to do something good for the pro

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Thanks for your kind words and sharing of your profound wisdom. Of course, you are totally right once again -- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have read your emails but I did not find an explanation of why you think > we're a shell of wh

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

I have read your emails but I did not find an explanation of why you think we're a shell of what we used to be. While I of course realize that you have personal issues against me, this is a community discussion and you should try to keep the conversation about the community and not about your

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

I've given concrete examples if you bothered to read my emails. At this point, i'll say get lost! thanks, dims On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you want to have a conversation about this topic then you should be ready > to explain your statement

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Deepal jayasinghe wrote: I think this thread itself shows the complications we would have by spiting it up. If we were to split it up does it make sense to keep projects like Rampart, Sandesha, Transports in WS? Yes they should come under Axis2 , because those projects are not useful withou

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

I'd certainly +1 a new TLP for Axiom. Given that its being used broadly by others too I think that makes sense. However there are complications there too - one of Axiom's KEY values is its natural MTOM/XOP awareness. That's a bit hard to justify without the relationship to SOAP. Under no condi

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Deepal jayasinghe wrote: Amila Suriarachchi wrote: On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Honestly I have no idea. But some one working closely with Synapse > would give the exact Answer. Well , thats the pr

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> > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > I think this thread itself shows the complications we would have by > > spiting it up. If we were to split it up does it make sense to keep > > projects like Rampart, S

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

As a Axis2/C and WSDL2C(Axis2/Java) contributor, I am -1 on discouraging TLP for both Java and C versions. Why you suggest to separate them if they share the same architecture and some tools. Say in case Axis2/C is not in common TLP, will Axis2/C become a separate TLP? I think common TLP is the bes

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

>> derstand what you mean , yes they should not come under Axis2 , >> and in fact we should try to get Axiom as a TLP (im not sure about >> Neethi). >> > > Why not Neethi a TLP if AXIOM is so? Hehe , no problem I really like if we can push as much as we can as TLP. The main reason I point out t

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

> I think this thread itself shows the complications we would have by > spiting it up. If we were to split it up does it make sense to keep > projects like Rampart, Sandesha, Transports in WS? Yes they should come under Axis2 , because those projects are not useful without Axis2. Deepal > I don't

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Amila Suriarachchi wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > > Honestly I have no idea. But some one working closely with Synapse > > would give the exact Answer. > Well , thats the problem. As I

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Honestly I have no idea. But some one working closely with Synapse > > would give the exact Answer. > Well , thats the problem. As I mentioned earlier it gets more visibility how can you support your argument

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Deepal jayasinghe wrote: Hi Sanjiva: Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: Deepal, so just so I understand - are you saying you *don't* want to keep Axiom with Axis2? I'm not sure about Deepal, but I don't in fact think keeping Axiom under the Axis2 project (yes, even despite the acronym :))

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Jeez, there's a conspiracy behind every statement eh? As I just replied to Deepal, I brought it up because there were a bunch of IBM folks who used to work on Axis2 who were active who also are stakeholders. However, the invitation was not limited to IBM folks - my apologies if such implicatio

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Of course Deepal but there are bunch of folks from IBM who were very active and who are also deeply involved with Axis2. Sanjiva. Deepal jayasinghe wrote: I'd really like to hear from some of the other IBM folks working on axis2/java too - Nick, Bill, etc. - what do you think? You guys have be

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

If you want to have a conversation about this topic then you should be ready to explain your statements. You have made bold statements about how things have gone down hill but yet you have no explanation except some attempt at a smart-ass response. Doesn't quite work. Sanjiva. Davanum Sriniva

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> Hi Sanjiva: > > Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: >> Deepal, so just so I understand - are you saying you *don't* want to >> keep Axiom with Axis2? > > I'm not sure about Deepal, but I don't in fact think keeping Axiom > under the Axis2 project (yes, even despite the acronym :)) makes > sense. In my v

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Hi Sanjiva: Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: Deepal, so just so I understand - are you saying you *don't* want to keep Axiom with Axis2? I'm not sure about Deepal, but I don't in fact think keeping Axiom under the Axis2 project (yes, even despite the acronym :)) makes sense. In my version of the

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

> I'd really like to hear from some of the other IBM folks working on > axis2/java too - Nick, Bill, etc. - what do you think? You guys have > been very quiet! Are you guys off of this stuff now? Well then it should not only be IBM , there are other folks from other companies and individual workin

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>>> hen they selected George W for the second time ;) >> Ok why do you want to move Axiom out from Axis2 , because it has a big >> advantage when it is there in WS than in Axis2. > > Deepal, so just so I understand - are you saying you *don't* want to > keep Axiom with Axis2? Yes we need to keep A

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> > Honestly I have no idea. But some one working closely with Synapse > would give the exact Answer. Well , thats the problem. As I mentioned earlier it gets more visibility and improvements after going as TLP. > > On one hand Synapse is different from other WS common projects since > it was gra

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> > Yes as a contributor to Axis2/C project my main concern is also on > dropping out Axis2/C out of the picture. If we separate out these two > projects it may affect Axis2/C project, and I don't think Axis2 will > benefited from that either. > > Well , I never told that we should drop Axis2

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Thanks for the deep insight and pointing out my double standards. -- dims On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Um, didn't the umbrella grow to this size under your watch?? > > I'm not opposed to a new TLP, but I don't understand on what basis you're > c

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Hi Glen, On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Glen Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A few quick comments: > > 1) I don't think things are as bad as some of this thread has implied. > There are always ebbs and flows of time and effort on projects, and although > there ARE a lot of open JIRAs, etc,

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Hmm...why are u bringing up someone's employer? thanks, dims On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd really like to hear from some of the other IBM folks working on > axis2/java too - Nick, Bill, etc. - what do you think? You guys have been > very quie

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

I'd really like to hear from some of the other IBM folks working on axis2/java too - Nick, Bill, etc. - what do you think? You guys have been very quiet! Are you guys off of this stuff now? Sanjiva. Davanum Srinivas wrote: Folks, There was a WS PMC thread which has not yet shown up here

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

A few quick comments: 1) I don't think things are as bad as some of this thread has implied. There are always ebbs and flows of time and effort on projects, and although there ARE a lot of open JIRAs, etc, it's not as if nothing has been getting done - for instance, 1.4.1 wasn't very long ago

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amila, > > Why do you think Synapse went TLP? Honestly I have no idea. But some one working closely with Synapse would give the exact Answer. On one hand Synapse is different from other WS common projects since it w

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amila, > > Why do you think Synapse went TLP? Honestly I have no idea. But some one working closely with Synapse would give the exact Answer. On one hand Synapse is different from other WS common projects since it w

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Deepal jayasinghe wrote: Ajith, its the nature of people and you can not understand them. I still can not understand why you want to split. See the same argument. If we could understand people well, then perhaps we would not have been surprised when they selected George W for the second time ;)

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Deepal, what does s/ws/axis2/g achieve? Sanjiva. Deepal jayasinghe wrote: I am trying to be a bit more optimistic that shaking things up may help generate enthusiasm. Though given Paul's and other people's response. I may be doing more harm than good. If these projects are beyond salvage. So be

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Um, didn't the umbrella grow to this size under your watch?? I'm not opposed to a new TLP, but I don't understand on what basis you're claiming "we are now just a shell of what we used to be". Sanjiva. Davanum Srinivas wrote: related note - i once upon a time used to hold ws up as the best m

Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

>> >> in the current setup. Including those that might be solved with TLP as >> >> well as those that might not. >> >> >> >> And if we can agree on the above, then we have to identify a media to >> >> collect those lists. A mailing list thread

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Amila, Why do you think Synapse went TLP? thanks, dims On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Ajith Ranabahu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > See my comments inline. > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Amila Suriarachchi > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> hi, >> >> By going through all these discussio

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Hi, See my comments inline. On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Amila Suriarachchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > > By going through all these discussions what I can think of is that going for > TLP neither make it better nor worse. > >> Ok why do you want to move Axiom out from Axis2 , because i

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hi, By going through all these discussions what I can think of is that going for TLP neither make it better nor worse. Ok why do you want to move Axiom out from Axis2 , because it has a big > advantage when it is there in WS than in Axis2. yes. The advantage here is that they have separate svn

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Hi, My comments are inline On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Eran Chinthaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I thought of not giving any inputs to this as once it seemed things were > getting personal. But let me try once again. > I assure you - nothing personal :) > Let me first understand

Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

t those lists. A mailing list thread like this is distorting when > >> it comes to listing things IMHO, so we might need a Wiki that everyone > >> can edit. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Samisa... > >> > >> > >> Ajith Ranabahu wrote: > >>

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istorting when >> it comes to listing things IMHO, so we might need a Wiki that everyone >> can edit. >> >> Thanks, >> Samisa... >> >> >> Ajith Ranabahu wrote: >> > missed general@ >> > >> > >> > -- Forwarded message -- >>

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> > Ajith, its the nature of people and you can not understand them. I > still can not understand why you want to split. See the same argument. > If we could understand people well, then perhaps we would not have > been surprised when they selected George W for the second time ;) Ok why do you wa

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Hi, I thought of not giving any inputs to this as once it seemed things were getting personal. But let me try once again. Let me first understand something. Isn't this a problem that should be discussed or voted, if required, in PMC, as this is about project management. Why this is raised in dev

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

I would also like to have Axis2 as a TLP project too. From the end user point of view, the real container is Axis2. Other projects are parts/components, which enhanced its capability. There is very little (or no some times) use when you take these other components by itself without the core engi

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Hi Ajith, +1 , Very well said. Thank you! Deepal > I should kick myself for not reading Axis2 mail frequently. I just > spent 20 minutes reading the complete thread and just throwing my 2 > cents. > > 1. I am +1 (not a vote, a token of agreement) on making Axis2 a TLP. > I have supported the deci

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TLP is Top Level Project as in http://www.apache.org/dev/project-creation.html On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:08 PM, emiddio-verizon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > pleaes -- > > someone say what "TLP" stands for - what is the acronym? > > > > > ---

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I should kick myself for not reading Axis2 mail frequently. I just spent 20 minutes reading the complete thread and just throwing my 2 cents. 1. I am +1 (not a vote, a token of agreement) on making Axis2 a TLP. I have supported the decision in the PMC and I am still in support for it. As Deepal sa

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Though given Paul's and other people's response. Dims, my response was a light-hearted comment on the situation, and made no reference to whether or not Axis2 should be a TLP. I'm sorry if you took it in a way it wasn'

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Deepal On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > VOTE is the final thing , and I still can not understand why most the > people do not want to make Axis2 TLP. I'm very happy to have Axis2 as a TLP including both Java and C. Paul Paul Fremantle Co-Founder

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You must have misunderstood me. Paul On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Serves me right to open my mouth. Sorry won't happen again. > > -- dims > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ah the glory days when you

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> I am trying to be a bit more optimistic that shaking things up may > help generate enthusiasm. Though given Paul's and other people's > response. I may be doing more harm than good. If these projects are > beyond salvage. So be it then. Question is should we even bother to > ask everyone with a

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Serves me right to open my mouth. Sorry won't happen again. -- dims On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah the glory days when you were Veep! > > Paul > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> related note - i onc

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I am trying to be a bit more optimistic that shaking things up may help generate enthusiasm. Though given Paul's and other people's response. I may be doing more harm than good. If these projects are beyond salvage. So be it then. Question is should we even bother to ask everyone with a VOTE or jus

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Davanum Srinivas wrote: Samisa, You have hit the nail on the head. People are who they are. Right now the umbrella is so vast that everyone is able to hide behind others. There is no accountability. When there is a smaller group of active people, There will be better accountability to each other

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Ah the glory days when you were Veep! Paul On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > related note - i once upon a time used to hold ws up as the best model > of working in open source. It's a tragic pity that we are now just a > shell of what we used to be. m

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related note - i once upon a time used to hold ws up as the best model of working in open source. It's a tragic pity that we are now just a shell of what we used to be. my 2 cents. YMMV. -- dims On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Samisa, > > You have hi

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Samisa, You have hit the nail on the head. People are who they are. Right now the umbrella is so vast that everyone is able to hide behind others. There is no accountability. When there is a smaller group of active people, There will be better accountability to each other and to the board and to o

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Davanum Srinivas wrote: Eran, Clearly you did not read my previous emails. *PLEASE* read them and then we can continue. For example, I said "1. The proposal was to split Axis2+Anything that Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2 into a separate TLP." Also, i said this before, but repeat it

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Glen Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Axis2 - becomes a TLP for both Java and C versions, with Axis2-specific components underneath as subprojects. So Rampart, Sandesha, Savan, Kandula I'd discourage a common TLP for bot

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Eran Chinthaka wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > It is nice to see everyone is fighting for something good :-) , > > Well first I do not think anyone in this mailing list is so stupid to > giv

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Hi, On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > It is nice to see everyone is fighting for something good :-) , > > Well first I do not think anyone in this mailing list is so stupid to > give the PMC Chair or whatever based on the number of emails he sends to

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It is nice to see everyone is fighting for something good :-) , Well first I do not think anyone in this mailing list is so stupid to give the PMC Chair or whatever based on the number of emails he sends to the list. Let me tell why I think it is a good idea to make Axis2 a TLP. First if you go

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Eran, Clearly you did not read my previous emails. *PLEASE* read them and then we can continue. For example, I said "1. The proposal was to split Axis2+Anything that Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2 into a separate TLP." Also, i said this before, but repeat it again, The current status

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chinthaka, > > What are the problems that will be created? Please enumerate them. How > is it being handled / smoothed over now and what would change > specifically to make the cooperation not happen. Problems : 1. A

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Chinthaka, What are the problems that will be created? Please enumerate them. How is it being handled / smoothed over now and what would change specifically to make the cooperation not happen. If you can point your finger to specific scenarios. We can see if we can come up with specific solutions

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On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Eran Chinthaka wrote: > > I hope I'm still not late to comment on this. > > > > I'm also with Sanjiva on this issue. Axis2 is just not Axis2 project > > alone. Axiom and others are integral parts of it. Couple of > > ch

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Eran Chinthaka wrote: > I hope I'm still not late to comment on this. > > I'm also with Sanjiva on this issue. Axis2 is just not Axis2 project > alone. Axiom and others are integral parts of it. Couple of > challenges/questions from me. > > 1. Let's take the Glen's proposal on two projects and list

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I agree Jochen. -- dims On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Jochen Wiedmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Glen Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> * Axis2 - becomes a TLP for both Java and C versions, with >> Axis2-specific components underneath as subprojects. S

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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Glen Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Axis2 - becomes a TLP for both Java and C versions, with > Axis2-specific components underneath as subprojects. So Rampart, > Sandesha, Savan, Kandula I'd discourage a common TLP for both Java and C versions. I kno

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Eran, 1. The proposal was to split Axis2+Anything that Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2 into a separate TLP. 2. IMHO, Any existing committers who would like to join the new TLP can join as committers and be on the PMC as well. 3. I was going to nominate Deepal as TLP Chair. (Believe me

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I hope I'm still not late to comment on this. I'm also with Sanjiva on this issue. Axis2 is just not Axis2 project alone. Axiom and others are integral parts of it. Couple of challenges/questions from me. 1. Let's take the Glen's proposal on two projects and list down the developers in each proje

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Anything that is usable/shipped with Axis2 or depends on Axis2 IMHO. -- dims On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So Glen, if we're talking about a new TLP what are the proposed components > under it? What will remain in the ws TLP because they don't h

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If we can find people to man the PMC's and act as chair, sure, let's get more projects as TLP's. -- dims On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Glen, so if you agree that its a TLP with Axis2 + up stream and downstream > projects then why not push the ot

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Let's flip the question, What do you have with Status Quo that you are so opposed to change for the better? -- dims On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How does becoming a TLP change the status quo for getting things done? > > Sanjiva. > > Davanum Sri

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So Glen, if we're talking about a new TLP what are the proposed components under it? What will remain in the ws TLP because they don't have enough ammo to be a TLP? Sanjiva. Glen Daniels wrote: Hi dims, all: Davanum Srinivas wrote: For a few years now, there is a growing consensus at the bo

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Glen, so if you agree that its a TLP with Axis2 + up stream and downstream projects then why not push the other stuff from ws into their own TLPs? If we want to consider a new name for the ws project that's an option too but that's a different issue isn't it? Sanjiva. Glen Daniels wrote: Hi

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How does becoming a TLP change the status quo for getting things done? Sanjiva. Davanum Srinivas wrote: No one is asking that everyone needs to get excited at the proposal. If people are interested, let it move forward. If no one is interested, it will just drop dead. If people take this forwa

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Kurt T Stam wrote: jUDDI has 3 active developers working on implementing the UDDIv3 spec (http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/webservices/juddi/branches/v3_trunk/) . Please don't talk about moth-balling us! Just checking to see if you were paying attention. :) No way, Kurt - I hope to be using your

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Glen Daniels wrote: Hi dims, all: Davanum Srinivas wrote: For a few years now, there is a growing consensus at the board level that a small focused PMC that directly reports to the board is better than a huge umbrella PMCs. two umbrella PMC's have already made transitions including XML and Jaka

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> >> Also the other reason IMO is that axis2 is mostly "done" .. I have no >> objection at all to someone starting an axis3 or doing a lot of >> changes to axis2, but I personally don't have major problems that I >> see need to be fixed in axis2. Yes there are tons of JIRAs and lots >> of small is

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Hi Sanjiva: Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: Also the other reason IMO is that axis2 is mostly "done" .. I have no objection at all to someone starting an axis3 or doing a lot of changes to axis2, but I personally don't have major problems that I see need to be fixed in axis2. Yes there are tons of

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Hi dims, all: Davanum Srinivas wrote: For a few years now, there is a growing consensus at the board level that a small focused PMC that directly reports to the board is better than a huge umbrella PMCs. two umbrella PMC's have already made transitions including XML and Jakarta. +1. As PMC ch

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No one is asking that everyone needs to get excited at the proposal. If people are interested, let it move forward. If no one is interested, it will just drop dead. If people take this forward, they will decide what to do next when the TLP is formed, no one will be forced to sign up for work or ne

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Deepal, yep, not taking care of them is what i meant. Yep, i totally understand day-to-day work. thanks, dims On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> One reason is that they have found that a small focused PMC/committer >> set takes better care of the

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Deepal jayasinghe wrote: Personally, I'd really like to get all of us committed, willing and able to contribute in a much more coordinated fashion then we are today. We don't hang out on IRC, no weekly chats, not much forward looking discussions, not much enthusiasm or cooperation anymore from lo

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> One reason is that they have found that a small focused PMC/committer > set takes better care of the code, web site, releases, legal issues > and basic oversight of day to day workings of a PMC better than a huge > umbrella PMC. For example, personally i think Synapse has thrived > after it left

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Dear Team, For a few years now, there is a growing consensus at the board level that a small focused PMC that directly reports to the board is better than a huge umbrella PMCs. two umbrella PMC's have already made transitions including XML and Jakarta. One reason is that they have found that a sm

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Glen Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey dims, all: > > Davanum Srinivas wrote: >> >> There was a WS PMC thread which has not yet shown up here >> >> So, WDYT? Could we spin off Axis2 and related projects into a separate >> TLP? Pros / Cons / Thoughts welc

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Gee...thanks a ton for the clarficiation. -- dims On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jeez I wasn't casting a vote - I expressed my opinion and then made it clear > using the Apache terminology for expressing positions. Lighten up dude. > > Sanjiva. >

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Jeez I wasn't casting a vote - I expressed my opinion and then made it clear using the Apache terminology for expressing positions. Lighten up dude. Sanjiva. Davanum Srinivas wrote: Folks, this is *NOT* a VOTE thread. Please refrain from casting ballots thanks, dims On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Folks, this is *NOT* a VOTE thread. Please refrain from casting ballots thanks, dims On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm -1 because the Axis2 project is not just axis2- its a collection of > enabling pieces (axiom, neethi at least) and a bunch of

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Nadir, retiring Axis1 is a totally separate thing from Axis2 going TLP. Not related at all. All of us would get to vote on Axis1 being retired. So don't worry, if you think it should not be retired then it won't be. thanks, dims On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Nadir Amra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

I'm -1 because the Axis2 project is not just axis2- its a collection of enabling pieces (axiom, neethi at least) and a bunch of up stream components (rampart, sandesha2, kandula2, wss4j etc.). So its really the "web services" project with an entire ws-* framework being covered by that. Calling

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Glen, Not sure what it means to be TLP, but when you say Axis1 gets retired, what does that mean? I currently am working on Axis C++ and do not plan on stopping and I hope to finally release a final version of 1.6 in the near future, after which I plan on continuing some enhancements. So will

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Hey dims, all: Davanum Srinivas wrote: There was a WS PMC thread which has not yet shown up here So, WDYT? Could we spin off Axis2 and related projects into a separate TLP? Pros / Cons / Thoughts welcome. I'm +1 to the idea. Here's what I sent to the PMC after this idea came up as a res

Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

> Folks, > > There was a WS PMC thread which has not yet shown up here > > So, WDYT? Could we spin off Axis2 and related projects into a separate > TLP? Pros / Cons / Thoughts welcome. > I really think that it is good idea to make Axis2 as TLP, the main reason behind that is the visibility.

[DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP

Folks, There was a WS PMC thread which has not yet shown up here So, WDYT? Could we spin off Axis2 and related projects into a separate TLP? Pros / Cons / Thoughts welcome. thanks, dims -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com ---