Politics and Motivations

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2/15/2004 8:02:24 PM Eastern > Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > See here is where I wonder about your perspective. > My main experience with > conservative political thought is from the talking > heads on TV and conservative > politic

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Bryon wrote: I've seen an article saying that hundreds of gay couples lined up to be married. I had assumed they would be automatically invalidated, though - I hadn't realized, that it would require a court decision to nullify them. Well, that's what I've read anyway. Some good insight here:

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 04:32:36PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Yawn. You try it, I've got better things to do. > > Than getting along with the people you love? What could be more important > than a good intimate

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Done with it? I certainly didn't _start_ it. But > > more characteristic? Certainly. That sort of > > arrogant contempt for most Americans is far less > > common among conservatives. We don't know The One > > Truth. That's not our job, after all,

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is really bizarre about this thread is that everyone seems to basically agree about "Gay Marriage". This focus on microscopic points of difference is amazingly like a Monty Python sketch. Maybe the listname should be changed to "The Argument Clinic

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jim Sharkey wrote: > Gay divorce is sure to follow Maru Hm. I wonder what the gay divorce rate will be compared to the straight divorce rate in 30 years. I imagine it'll be lower for awhile if gay marriages are permitted. Not sure when it would catch up.

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

From: Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Or out here in S.F. where I believe it will require a court decision to nullify the recent same sex marriages taking place over the last few days. The gay side will use the state constitution's equal protection clause to try to make their case. I've see

RE: Thoughts on gay marriage?

From: "Mike Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bryon Daly said: > That said, while the MA SJC ruling is an amazing > breakthrough, I wonder if it will in some ways harm the gay > marriage cause almost as much as help it. I've thought about this too, and I've come down on the side of "So what?" Would Rosa Pa

Re: In one error and out the otter

In a message dated 2/15/2004 9:38:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Same kinda thing with the Mongolian BBQ on North Lamar -- if the owner > is there, it can't be *all* bad. > > There are a few people who can't fail to cheer me up. Of course, I'm > not in contact with

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

In a message dated 2/15/2004 9:10:33 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Frisco? Frisco? Where is this Frisco? > With Pancho? However, being 1950s TV, no one could ask why the two were always seen together. Tomorrow, if they are there for half price day, I'l

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 06:55 PM 2/15/04, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 06:40:28PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > And keep in mind that just because someone does not agree with you > on a topic does not mean that s/he has not thought about the topic, > perhaps at least as much as you have. I believe it

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At 10:33 PM 2/15/04, Julia Thompson wrote: > > >I know of a couple of people in Austin who were trying to fly out there > >on Friday for that purpose. What with the weather and all, though, they > >didn't make it. > > Maybe they should have considered using an airp

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 10:33 PM 2/15/04, Julia Thompson wrote: I know of a couple of people in Austin who were trying to fly out there on Friday for that purpose. What with the weather and all, though, they didn't make it. Maybe they should have considered using an airplane . . . -- Ronn! :) _

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > Robert wrote: > > > > On a tangent, it seems Frisco is undergoing an *orgy* of marriage ATM

Re: In one error and out the otter

Dan Minette wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: In one error and out the otter > > > No, but if you'd included a coupon, I might have been abl

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Robert Seeberger wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > > > Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > > > > - Original Messag

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Robert wrote: On a tangent, it seems Frisco is undergoing an *orgy* of marriage ATM and its making the city officials a bit ogreish. Frisco? Frisco? Where is this Frisco? 8^) -- Doug Vegetable Oil? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: In one error and out the otter

- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:22 PM Subject: Re: In one error and out the otter > No, but if you'd included a coupon, I might have been able to use it at > Quizno's, so it w

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAI

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In a message dated 2/15/2004 8:02:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But more characteristic? Certainly. That sort of arrogant contempt for most Americans is far less common among conservatives. We don't know The One Truth. That's not our job, after all, so a conservative w

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 2/15/2004 7:26:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > Aw, heck, if everyone were *really* like me, I wouldn't restrain myself > so often, and, well, I can be a bitch at times. > Bring it on. BRING IT ON Woman If someone had used

Re: In one error and out the otter

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 2/15/2004 6:23:45 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Sorry about the lack of a subject line. My email bombed on me and I had > > to copy the text from a backup and I forgot to title it. 8^P > > > > -- > > Doug > > > >

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Robert Seeberger wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > > > At 06:47 PM 2/15/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: > >

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

In a message dated 2/15/2004 7:26:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aw, heck, if everyone were *really* like me, I wouldn't restrain myself so often, and, well, I can be a bitch at times. Bring it on. BRING IT ON Woman ___ http://w

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Jim Sharkey wrote: > > Robert Seeberger wrote: > >What is really bizarre about this thread is that everyone seems > >to basically agree about "Gay Marriage". This focus on > >microscopic points of difference is amazingly like a Monty Python > >sketch. Maybe the listname should be changed to "The

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In one error and out the otter

In a message dated 2/15/2004 6:23:45 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Sorry about the lack of a subject line. My email bombed on me and I had > to copy the text from a backup and I forgot to title it. 8^P > > -- > Doug > A possible subject line. It relates to

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- Original Message - From: "Trent Shipley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: SciFi site > Does anyone else like Orion's Arm? > > http://www.orionsarm.com/main.html > I'm on their List. Been there for about a year. Ver

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

John wrote: That's only because the responses have been flying too fast for me to collect my thoughts on the subject. Well don't keep us in the dark - I'd very much like to refu... I mean _hear_ your side of the arguement. 8^) That, and the fact that Shrek is on TV tonight :-) Good movie, h

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > At 06:47 PM 2/15/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > >What is really bizarre about this t

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Sorry about the lack of a subject line. My email bombed on me and I had to copy the text from a backup and I forgot to title it. 8^P -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > Done with it? I certainly didn't _start_ it. But > more characteristic? Certainly. That so

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Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 06:47 PM 2/15/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: > >What is really bizarre about this thread is that everyone seems to >basically agree about "Gay Marriage". That's only because the responses have been flying too fast for me to collect my thoughts on the subject. That, and the fact that Shrek

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Gautam wrote: << Done with it? I certainly didn't _start_ it. Not only did you start it, but that between the two of us, you're the only one that has engaged in it. << But more characteristic? Certainly. That sort of arrogant contempt for most Americans is far less common among conservatives

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 06:40:28PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > And keep in mind that just because someone does not agree with you > on a topic does not mean that s/he has not thought about the topic, > perhaps at least as much as you have. I believe it was Dan who > mentioned that issues in

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Robert Seeberger wrote: >What is really bizarre about this thread is that everyone seems >to basically agree about "Gay Marriage". This focus on >microscopic points of difference is amazingly like a Monty Python >sketch. Maybe the listname should be changed to "The Argument >Clinic". No it

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > At 03:20 PM 2/15/2004 -0500 Jim Sharkey wrote: > >I apologize if this seems like I'm putting f

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 06:15 PM 2/15/04, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 05:46:09PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > But being in-your-face on an e-mail list doesn't work well, either. Sometimes it does. At least as well as... > If I make 50 posts in a 6-month period that touch on X, and someone > is oppos

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "Ronn!Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > At 03:43 PM 2/15/04, Erik Reuter wrote: > >On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:23:57PM -0600, Julia Th

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 05:46:09PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > But being in-your-face on an e-mail list doesn't work well, either. > > Sometimes it does. At least as well as... > > > If I make 50 posts in a 6-month period that touch on X, and someone > > is opposed

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Jim Sharkey wrote: > > Erik Reuter wrote: > >For example, even before I read your post I would have said the > >reserved approach would be more successful on you (Julia). Alas, not > >everyone is like Julia! ;-) > > If they were, the accumulated niceness might just choke me. :) Aw, heck, if eve

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Erik Reuter wrote: >For example, even before I read your post I would have said the >reserved approach would be more successful on you (Julia). Alas, not >everyone is like Julia! ;-) If they were, the accumulated niceness might just choke me. :) Jim __

Re: Communitcation tactics(was Thoughts on gay marriage?)

At 06:14 PM 2/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote: Is there a conflict between standards for honesty and truth on the one hand and satisfying relationships on the other. "Be honest: Does this dress make me look fat?" Yes I've Appeared Onstage In Drag But You Know What I Mean Maru -- Ronn! :) __

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 05:46:09PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > But being in-your-face on an e-mail list doesn't work well, either. Sometimes it does. At least as well as... > If I make 50 posts in a 6-month period that touch on X, and someone > is opposed to my position on X, there's a better

Re: Political Baiting  Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 05:59 PM 2/15/04, you wrote: At 05:59 PM 2/15/2004, you wrote: > For whatever it is worth, it is a common meme among conservatives that > liberals consider themselves to be smarter than conservatives. > > I don't consider myself necessarily smarter than anyone else. What I would say is that lib

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- Original Message - From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: Re: FOOLish > > >From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[E

Communitcation tactics(was Thoughts on gay marriage?)

On Sunday 2004-02-15 15:48, Julia Thompson wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:23:57PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > Yes, but it can be done somewhat more gently than how it was done on > > > this list earlier today. And doing it more gently will ge

Re: Political Baiting  Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Political Baiting Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > > For whatever it is worth, it is a common meme among conservatives that > > liberals consider themselves to be

Changes in moral culture (was Thoughts on gay marriage?)

On Sunday 2004-02-15 16:07, Dan Minette wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > > > At 03:21 PM 2/15/2004 -0600 Julia Tho

Re: Political Baiting  Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 05:59 PM 2/15/2004, you wrote: > For whatever it is worth, it is a common meme among conservatives that > liberals consider themselves to be smarter than conservatives. > > I don't consider myself necessarily smarter than anyone else. What I would say is that liberals are much nicer people in t

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 04:48:57PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > It has been my experience that given a choice between one massive > > hitting-over-the-head kind of confrontation > > Although that would be an exaggeration of what I am talking about... Yes, but in con

Re: Political Baiting Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 04:52 PM 2/15/04, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 02:29 PM 2/15/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: >Gautam wrote: > >> =-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> It's the word "marriage" that appears to have some >>> mystical, totemic meaning >>> for some lamebrained lazyminded easily stampeded >>> credulous dolt

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:18:46PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > common among conservatives. We don't know The One Truth. Ha! > that would be a good start. If John ever did the same (and I don't > think he ever would, because he's a _lot_ more polite than the people > on this list who abuse h

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 04:48:57PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > It has been my experience that given a choice between one massive > hitting-over-the-head kind of confrontation Although that would be an exaggeration of what I am talking about... > and much gentler prods over the course of 6 mon

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So name-calling, now that you're done with it, is > characteristic of > liberals? > > -- > The Fanatic Done with it? I certainly didn't _start_ it. But more characteristic? Certainly. That sort of arrogant contempt for most Americans is far le

Re: Political Baiting  Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

> For whatever it is worth, it is a common meme among conservatives that > liberals consider themselves to be smarter than conservatives. > > I don't consider myself necessarily smarter than anyone else. What I would say is that liberals are much nicer people in their politics than conservativ

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > At 03:21 PM 2/15/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: > >And I wonder how it would compare for the

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 03:21 PM 2/15/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: > >And I wonder how it would compare for the first 10 years with the rate > >of divorces among the fundamentalists who are most loudly decrying it > >now? > > Of course, there is no way of knowing this.Since it is

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 03:20 PM 2/15/2004 -0500 Jim Sharkey wrote: >I apologize if this seems like I'm putting forth my tolerance bona fides here, but I've had a lot of accusations flung at me today that I felt were unfair, and I thought maybe a little more information might give some of you a better picture of me. I

Political Baiting Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 02:29 PM 2/15/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: >Gautam wrote: > >> =-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> It's the word "marriage" that appears to have some >>> mystical, totemic meaning >>> for some lamebrained lazyminded easily stampeded >>> credulous dolts (i.e., most >>> of the American public). >

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 03:21 PM 2/15/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >And I wonder how it would compare for the first 10 years with the rate >of divorces among the fundamentalists who are most loudly decrying it >now? Of course, there is no way of knowing this.Since it is not a priori true that a given fundament

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:23:57PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > Yes, but it can be done somewhat more gently than how it was done on > > this list earlier today. And doing it more gently will get you a more > > positive reaction than immediately

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Gautam wrote: =-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the word "marriage" that appears to have some mystical, totemic meaning for some lamebrained lazyminded easily stampeded credulous dolts (i.e., most of the American public). Gee, Tom, and to think that sometimes I wonder why I'm a conservative. But

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 04:32:36PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > > > > > Yawn. You try it

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > Yawn. You try it, I've got better things to do. Than getting along with the people you love? Wh

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:55:58PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > I agree with Julia. Boring. > As far as evidence goes: the next time you have a disagreement with > your spouse, try the "strong statement" method. Then, the next time > after that, try the "soft answer" approach. Assuming t

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "Ronn!Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > At 03:43 PM 2/15/04, Erik Reuter wrote: > >On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:23:57PM -0600, Julia Th

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 03:43 PM 2/15/04, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:23:57PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > Yes, but it can be done somewhat more gently than how it was done on > this list earlier today. And doing it more gently will get you a more > positive reaction than immediately jumping down

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:23:57PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > Yes, but it can be done somewhat more gently than how it was done on > this list earlier today. And doing it more gently will get you a more > positive reaction than immediately jumping down their throat will. > Enough gentle prods

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > This was an honest expression of concern and confusion that is shared by > > many. I suspect and hope that over time people will get used to the idea but > > for > > now it does not do the cause of gay union any good to sharply casitgate > > someone > > for honestly

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Jim Sharkey wrote: > Gay divorce is sure to follow Maru Hm. I wonder what the gay divorce rate will be compared to the straight divorce rate in 30 years. I imagine it'll be lower for awhile if gay marriages are permitted. Not sure when it would catch up. And I wonder how it would compare for

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

> I always imagined that at some point Charlene and I would face some > questions from the kids about why they live together, etc., but it hasn't > happened yet. Possibly because we don't treat their relationship any > differently than anyone else's, or possibly because even though our oldest > i

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Erik Reuter wrote: >Dan Minette wrote: >> Right, the problem would be that Jim would be uncomfortable. That >>is a problem, because she is his sister. >And if he has a problem with his sister, who he has just said >(or strongly implied) that he has good feelings for, one must at >least wonder,

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sunday 2004-02-15 12:19, Jim Sharkey wrote: > Michael Harney wrote: > >There is a possibility that the issue of gay marriage may be > >presented before the citizens of the United States for a vote. In > >such a situation it doesn't take a big leap from not feeling > >comfortable with gay marriag

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

In a message dated 2/15/2004 2:05:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > However, since those who have responded have been about evenly divided in > their interpretation of my statement, I will concede that despite my own read > of my words, it is possible to interpret it as t

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:03:08PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But you did jump all over someone who expressed personal discomfort > with the notion of gay marriage at the end of a post that strongly > supported gay unions. No. The post did NOT strongly support gay unions. It would be close

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

In a message dated 2/15/2004 1:34:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >many. I suspect and hope that over time people will get used to the idea > but > >for > >now it does not do the cause of gay union any good to sharply casitgate > >someone > >for honestly expressed f

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 01:42:57PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > Right, the problem would be that Jim would be uncomfortable. That is > a problem, because she is his sister. And if he has a problem with his sister, who he has just said (or strongly implied) that he has good feelings for, one must

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 01:42:57PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > Whenever I disagree with you? No, when you are irrational and do not realize it, which occasionally occurs when religion is part of the discussion. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 01:32:45PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > > > Read what he wrote that was una

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Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 02:19:53PM -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote: > I would vote against a law or Constitutional Amendment banning gay > marriage. But I will be honest with you. It would not necessarily be > a vote in favor of gay marriage per se, but it would be a vote against > telling people what

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 01:32:45PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > Read what he wrote that was unacceptable to you. He literally said he > had no right to impose his feelings, but that wasn't good enough for > you. You're the one that needs to read more carefully. This is what I was concerned about:

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 02:10:59PM -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote: > Erik Reuter wrote: > > >I have yet to see a clear statement from him that "Although I have > >irrational feelings about gay marriage, by my words and actions I do > >NOT support anti-gay marriage laws or constitutional amendments". > >

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Julia Thompson wrote: > I don't know what's "common" these days. Do the dark colors > include one somewhere between green and blue? :) (And would > that color be available in XL?) I can certainly look. Last time I was in the local Hobby Lobby, a few weeks ago, they had some XL shirts in some un

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 01:11:26PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > > > > From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL P

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Michael Harney wrote: >There is a possibility that the issue of gay marriage may be >presented before the citizens of the United States for a vote. In >such a situation it doesn't take a big leap from not feeling >comfortable with gay marriages to voting against gay marriages. If >you really

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 02:03:13PM -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote: > However, since those who have responded have been about evenly divided > in their interpretation of my statement, I will concede that despite > my own read of my words, it is possible to interpret it as the > vehement opposition to gay

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On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 01:11:26PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > > From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > If my questions were "sharp castigation", then his statement was a lot > > more than an "expression of concern". > > Nah. Yah. You are applying a double-standard. Literally, I was aski

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Erik Reuter wrote: >I have yet to see a clear statement from him that "Although I >have irrational feelings about gay marriage, by my words and actions >I do NOT support anti-gay marriage laws or constitutional amendments". This was not sufficiently clear? "I've always been a believer in peopl

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From: Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:55:30 -0800 (PST) > -Travis "it's all about the Guns and the Roses" > Edmunds Eeee!

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From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And Michael Harney wrote: > >You say you can't explain why you feel that way... then doesn't > >that lend you to think that your belief is likely an irrational > >one. No offense intended, but should we bend towards an irrational > >belief simply to make

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Erik Reuter wrote: >Fine, he is entitled to his opinion, but I am damn well going to >reply sharply to people who make posts implying that their >unexplainable feeling of uncomfortable has any bearing on what >others should or should not be allowed to do. Your interpretation of my initial stat

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > If my questions were "sharp castigation", then his statement was a lot > more than an "expressio

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> -Travis "it's all about the Guns and the Roses" > Edmunds Eeee!!! Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building:

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On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 12:57:32PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2/15/2004 10:43:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Why should we care about your vague feeling? What gives you the > > right to take your vague feeling of uncomfortable that you can'

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

At 12:32 PM 2/15/04, "Tom Beck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It doesn't have to be vicious or rancorous, Unfortunately, referring to "most of the American public" as "lamebrained lazyminded easily stampeded credulous dolts" comes across as "vicious" and "rancorous", whether that was your intenti

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

Personally, I favor the idea of gay marriage. From my perspective, it strengthens the concept of marriage by extending it. By accepting, one broadens the acknowledgement of the lifetime commitment made by two people (yea I know the commitment is often broken). Different types of families are aff

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