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De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre
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Enviado el: Martes, 10 de Abril de 2007 01:37 a.m.
Para: Cake PHP
Asunto: Re: Proposal
On 10 abr, 05:16, nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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...(and most of us can form coherent English sentences).
I don't understand all that laboca wrote, and it's clear there are
some misunderstandings and / or misconceptions of what cake is; but
I'm not much of a fan of the above comment.
WRT
Andy, the point of that comment was that even people on this list who
don't speak English as a first language still make an effort to be
understood, whereas this guy, for the most part, was just ranting
incoherently.
On Apr 10, 3:26 am, AD7six [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10 abr, 05:16, nate
I just would like to say that I totally agree with a good sample
app... CMS would be a real world example.
I'm a developer of desktop apps since 1987 (C++,C#,ASM,VB,Delphi,.
for windows, unix,..)
From time to time I used PHP for some small projects... So I'm always
looking for some good PHP
On 4/10/07, nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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just my 2 cents worth
And you can keep them.
Gay Perry:Look up idiot in the dictionary. You know what
you'll find?
Harry Lockhart: A picture of me?
Gay Perry:No! The definition of idiot. Which you f*g
are!
Abril de 2007 10:43 p.m.
Para: Cake PHP
Asunto: Re: Proposal for killer app
I'm sure a lot of you will say some very bad words about what I wrote.
But before you shout out loud... think of what I wrote. A lot of
developers go away from cake when they first saw cake and they
don't put a line
Yeah, who knows. At least it was equal parts funny and obnoxious.
On Apr 9, 11:30 pm, Gonzalo Servat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/10/07, nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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just my 2 cents worth
And you can keep them.
Gay Perry:Look up idiot in the dictionary. You
Nate, you said it. I always appreciate your candidness. You're right.
There's plenty out there to learn Cake. I'm doing pretty good with it.
Besides, Cake is still fairly early in development. I mean, 1.1 is
documented enough to get you off your feet for sure. I didn't even
know what MVC was
These are great ideas flying around.
I really do think that a simple but complete application would be
really useful for new bakers - all things considered the manual +
bakery + this group are a pretty damn good resource - BUT it can be
hard pulling things together and integrating. Ideally it
That's a pretty short n' sweet list of what I think we would need, not
anything more. Probably 99% of apps built will use this, or a modified
version, of this functionality.
I'm thinking we could call it our shake and bake pakage - all the
ingredients are ready made to be baked into something
On Mar 29, 3:44 pm, Loren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know the people who developed this framework make me look like a
bonafide stooge. But all that coding savvy is going to waste if this
spiffy framework remains an inscrutable tangle of half-baked
documentation and shallow tutorials.
On Mar 29, 2:47 pm, Dr. Tarique Sani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just build it, damnit!
:P
Tarique
Heheheh!! funny indeed! a little bit like a business I use to work
for! They would talk about things for ages... and never make any
decision which would involve long term risk, or require a
Seb, I totally agree with you here, and again I start I never compared
CakePHP *TO* a CMS, I only referenced other CMS's where they have a
model of users contributing addon's to these systems using their API.
I don't really want to bang on at the point, as someone has already
said Just build it,
On 3/29/07, digital spaghetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I am now proposing, through the thoughts that you have all
expressed here, is to build standard modules of code that people can
use in their projects.
Nate and I had been talking about this very thing yesterday on IM,
where what is
I think that's the best idea I've read in this entire thread!
On Mar 29, 9:00 am, Chris Hartjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/29/07, digital spaghetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I am now proposing, through the thoughts that you have all
expressed here, is to build standard modules of
On Mar 29, 2007, at 3:35 AM, Seb wrote:
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However, beside the tutorial, there is no or very little 'official'
documentation. I'm thinking about Once you understand that cake is
great... what's next!!?, Building applications using cake..., Cake
versus Joomla/Mambo/xoops/phpnuke... what's
Hello my fellow bakers!
when I saw the subject of this thread I was ecstatic! I was really
happy to see someone is actually thinking same thoughts I am. The
number of replies told me the community is actually full of ideas of
what this killer app might be!
And then this! Just a lot of mambo
On Mar 29, 5:35 am, Seb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Session management (.NET is still way ahead... cookie or cookie-
less...),
ZOMG!!!1~! dotNET has teh l0s3r s3ssi0ns!!1!!one!!
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On 3/29/07, Lion29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Making a complete application would really help new bakers to
understand the framework better. If I see the correct (pay attention
to the word correct) implementation of helpers, components, behaviors,
plug-ins, etc... I would understand the
Well, I've been reading this for the past few days and I am about to
burst, so here goes.
First of all, for all the I need something to convince my boss
posts: The best way to convince your boss to use a certain tool is to
build something *yourself* with it. I'm not sure how Look at what
these
Hey Brad,
I have to say I like your 'killer app'!!!
If people want to see a really elegant app check out slide show pro
director. Plus it is really easy to tie into an existing cake app, to
manage images and galleries.
Nice Job
Sam D
On 3/29/07, Brad Daily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+1 on the sex starved models.
+1 on the standardisation of modules/plugins
+1 on the idea of building something to show off.
As I said before, php in general (I repeat PHP, not cake) is missing a good
accounting/ledger application. If cake could be used to fill this gap, I
don't see how it could
On 3/28/07, digital spaghetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I believe CakePHP needs is a killer app, a CMS that can rival the
others out there, and that gives people the chance to actually see
cakephp in action. Think of it as a pre-packed Cake you get in the
supermarket. RoR has one,
I like and support the idea...
To be honest, my skill is not really good enough compared to some of you but
I want to be involved in this project. I have 2 application built using
CakePHP, and I think CakePHP is such a great framework to learn.
Being in this team, will improved my programming
Fair enough on the Basecamp point, but I was looking at an overall
general app that end-users can use, and Basecamp is quite specific to
people who need Groupware.
However I have to disagree on your other points. Look at Drupal or
Wordpress for example, they are aimed at the end user - but as a
Another point I forgot to make is I see a lot of people re-inventing
the wheel. How many different Auth components are there out there
(not to mention the official one in 1.2) for example. Why can't we
come up with one consistant approach that can be provided to the
community, again a base one
But in your example, they are developing for Wordpress and Drupal.
Applied to this project proposal, they'd be developing for the CMS
itself, not for CakePHP.
-Erich-
digital spaghetti wrote:
Fair enough on the Basecamp point, but I was looking at an overall
general app that end-users can
On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:49 PM, digital spaghetti wrote:
Fair enough on the Basecamp point, but I was looking at an overall
general app that end-users can use, and Basecamp is quite specific to
people who need Groupware.
However I have to disagree on your other points. Look at Drupal or
John, you kind of half hitting the nail on the head.
At no point did I compare CakePHP itself to Wordpress, Drupal, etc -
and CakePHP *should* be aimed at developers, but you said it yourself
- if people know this cool application was built on CakePHP then more
people will look at it, and maybe
Really? Say tommorow google opens up a new API to their Super-time
widget service, and I want to include it on my site which is powered
by killer app, well I would still write a component for it using
CakePHP, not the application. Anyone can then use it in their own app
if I release it (which
@digitalspaghetti
Cake needs is to be the best framework in the world, it does not
need anything else. While a killer app is nice it is not a
prerequisite of being the best. Have a look at how many people have
downloaded Cake and you will see that things are moving along nicely.
Also, have a
On Mar 28, 2007, at 1:09 PM, digital spaghetti wrote:
John, you kind of half hitting the nail on the head.
At no point did I compare CakePHP itself to Wordpress, Drupal, etc -
and CakePHP *should* be aimed at developers, but you said it yourself
- if people know this cool application was
On 3/28/07, digital spaghetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another point I forgot to make is I see a lot of people re-inventing
the wheel. How many different Auth components are there out there
(not to mention the official one in 1.2) for example. Why can't we
come up with one consistant
I am not old on cake (but in dev yes), but this a framework for
developers in my opinion. Now if someone wants to make a killer app
with it, no problem. But I do not think that the base Framework should
be linked in anyway with an application built on it. I mean here that
the framework should
Hi
As a free-time coder I'd love the idea to contribute to a cakephp cms
project.
I'd love to this project aggregate the work of a lot of peoples.
Presently I see
cakephp as having a great core team, some very good coders around in the
community,
but much less cohesion in the 3rd line where
I think the point he was originally trying to make was that developing a
killer-app will garner more interest in CakePHP. Using Wordpress again
as an example, the first time I used it I was impressed. But me being a
developer wasn't interested in it in much the same way that most end
users
On 3/28/07, Olivier Percebois-Garve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So as a professional web developer I see clearly the benefit of having a
little cms on top of cake that would allow me to be a little faster at
step 1, with for instance an handy way to generate the navigation menu,
to be fast at
, and share your knowledge.
BAKE ON!
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Enviado el: Miércoles, 28 de Marzo de 2007 06:42 p.m.
Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com
Asunto: Re: Proposal for killer
@Felix
I like the way you think my friend.
You know if such a place exists?
@mariano
that is Yoda to you.
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Enviado el: Miércoles, 28 de Marzo de 2007 06:42 p.m.
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Asunto: Re: Proposal for killer app
Won't this lead to CakePHP being labeled the framework you can only
build a CMS
I think a Killer app is a good idea, but it has to be something new
done better then anyone could picture, simple elegant and have it
work. Trying to come out the door with yet another CMS is, in my mind
(and it is a simple old mind remember), is dumb. To try compete with
all the other CMS's
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Enviado el: Miércoles, 28 de Marzo de 2007 08:24 p.m.
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Asunto: Re: Proposal for killer app
@Mariano
Sorry but I do not share
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Enviado el: Miércoles, 28 de Marzo de 2007 08:24 p.m.
Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com
Asunto: Re: Proposal for killer app
@Mariano
Sorry but I do not share your elitist vision. Cakephp is making its
I've been helping debugging on ocean CMS. I created my own project on
cakeforge when I started with cake.
Even if it was flawed by design (recursive requestActions ...) it helped
me get my job by demonstrating it.
At that time I received zero feedback from the community, positive or
negative.
Sorry but I do not share your elitist vision. Cakephp is making its best
to reach new markets and to be used by the masses.
Also I am rather considering the question of easing the processes in a
team work, where we have various peoples with various skills.
Egalitarianism for it's own sake is
Ok, from reading through the emails I get the consensus that most of
you are not against the idea of a community built project, but more
the label of it being a CMS.
Maybe another way to put it is for a community team to work together
on a library of code that provide different pre-baked
I haven't looked at the 1.2 component throughly enough, but as far as
I know, no components support this;
groups
permissions
users
group_permissions
user_permissions
and because you don't want to define 150 000 permissions, you need url
based (/admin/users/*) permissions and itemized
That I have to agree with, entirely. However the web is growing
heavily from the new 'half-computer-literate' generations.
I have build myself a very simple 'page management', where our various
clients can simply edit a web 'page' (no concept of articles, news,
content_type whatsoever). It's
Actually, if you combine the 1.2 Auth component with the newly-
rewritten ACL component, you can scale to pretty much any level of
permissions complexity you want without very much trouble. The items
you mentioned are well within the scope of it's capability.
On Mar 28, 9:20 pm, Seb [EMAIL
Oh.. and.. last point, last post... Tane, I second retty much
everything you said so far. You and I have the same vision of IT,
system design and collaborative work apparently!
;)
SEb.
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Enviado el: Jueves, 29 de Marzo de 2007 01:48 a.m.
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Asunto: Re: Proposal for killer app
To the entire thread I would like to quote Chris's signature
Just build it, damnit!
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Fascinating thread, and my hat is off to all who have chimed in.
I've been developing PHP/MySQL apps from scratch for four years, and
have just recently begun embracing CMSs, frameworks and anything else
that can speed up development. I'm very interested in CakePHP, and am
about 20 hours up the
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