On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:41:40 -0700, William Bowen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a Jim Dine charcoal.
I tip my hat to you!
-Kevin
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From: Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> He said he knows they went into Syria, he didn't say
> he know the where they ended up.
If he knows they went into Syria then he must have proof they exist,
so where is it? If he has the proof then why aren't we invading
Syria?
>
> --- Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Oh, then I guess ground-penetrating radar is
> just a
> > myth.
>
> So you're saying you know that there's no WMDs
> buried
> in Iraq?
>
> The burden of proof is on the administration.
> And, until there's proof there are no WMD
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From: Sam Morris
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: The Election and The Economy
--- Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, then I guess ground-penetrating radar is just a
> myth.
So you're saying you k
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--- Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, then I guess ground-penetrating radar is just a
> myth.
So you're saying you know that there's no WMDs buried
in Iraq?
> > Secondly, he had ties to terrorists. Abu Nidal was
> > housed in Iraq, his organization. He was the guy
> that
> > killed L
Top-top floor is some loft space, some trey ceiling space. The ceiling
are 9+ feet and the master bath is vaulted with windows up high. You can
see those windows from one of the back shots.
In the back - it's a "sun room" all properly wall to wall carpeted,
french doors from the family room, windo
House is a 1930 Cape Cod, 70+ year old Horse Chestnut tree in the
front corner of the yard, 70+yo Maple in the other corner, lots of
shade in the summer, front of yard fenced with English box hedges,
side yard with Laurel (10' tall). Yard is currently in re-development.
Previous owners not great at
--- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> About Gen DeLong - then how does he know for a fact
> they sent WMD out
> of Iraq? That the point, he's lying. If he knew
> for a fact we'd know
> where they were.
He said he knows they went into Syria, he didn't say
he know the where they ended up.
W
At the moment we haven't bothered with much ... As I knew we'd be moving
about. We have futons for couches, no bedroom sets, no dressers, no
armoirs, no coffee table, not even a dinette set. We eat outdoors on our
patio furniture, or in the kitchen at an outdoor bar height square table
on these fab
I used to want a really japanese-influenced place, but when I was
younger and started decorating that way I found that I wasn't
comfortable maintaining the proper level of austerity and cleanliness
to get the real effect.
I still like it aesthetically, but I've tried to eschew most
affectations an
Very nice.
Is that a porch in the back with the three upright windows and low roof?
Is the top floor just attic? It looks roomy, but I don't see any windows.
The fact it is on a cul-de-sac is really nice.
And that front porch must have been a big seller. For that alone I am jealous.
Jerry Johns
Enough of all this religion and politics. Let's get on a topic that people REALLY feel strongly about.
What style is your living space? What do you like in interior design? (Does anyone actually like "Southern country")
My apartment is decorated in a Japanese style with a little bit of Frank Lloy
I read something similar. They prize intellectual achievement and the founders (former Stanford PhD candidates) apparently don't value real world experience and managerial seasoning. Maybe they will grow up some day. Either that or they will implode under the weight of their own mismanagement like
This is kinda funny, maybe this what sparked this whole debate, I dunno,
but I got my new Wired Magazine today, and noticed the cover story:
http://www.wired.com/wired/
At 03:39 PM 9/29/2004, you wrote:
>No, it shouldn't. A proper science class will explain the scientific method
>and then deal w
About Gen DeLong - then how does he know for a fact they sent WMD out
of Iraq? That the point, he's lying. If he knew for a fact we'd know
where they were.
Further, and on your quote from Mr. Bush, I'm convinced that Mr. Bush
is Sir Belvedere as his (and your) logic is similar:
How do we know t
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From: Sam Morris
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: The Election and The Economy
> It's no surprise that weapons buried in Iraq have yet
> to be uncovered. "Seven-eighths of the country is arid
> desert and it's the size of Cal
Thanks for the congrats guys!!
It's an upsize and a move to our favorite Lake. We're 2 miles max from
all kinds of marinas and boat ramps.
It's close to several campgrounds and day use parks.
And it's by the south end of the Lake which is the best section in my
mind :D
The house is bigger than th
--- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Sam, I'll skip the other stuff, but I can't
> resist this:
>
> 1.) If Gen DeLong knows "for a fact" then where are
> they?
It's no surprise that weapons buried in Iraq have yet
to be uncovered. "Seven-eighths of the country is arid
desert and it's
Nope, we decided to stay in Georgia :P
It's a 1/2 mile from Lake Sidney Lanier, where we like to play at :D
Cheers,
Erika
--
>>| -Original Message-
>>| From: Kevin Graeme
>>|
>>| Is this the big move to Florida? :-D
>>|
>>| -Kevin
[Today
Hi Sam, I'll skip the other stuff, but I can't resist this:
1.) If Gen DeLong knows "for a fact" then where are they? If we can
invade Iraq why not Syria if he knows "for a fact".
2.) Since we've never recovered WMD, wasn't the war a mistake? We
said there were WMD, we went to war because of i
The worth of a cert, IMHO, is mainly based on the root cert being installed on the most browsers. The better certs claim a 99% coverage so, if it's less than that, I'd stay away from it. If their certs are 99% then there's no reason to pay more elsewhere if their support and service are up to par
Hi ... cheers and muffins!
I am using GoDaddy to register a domain for my workplace.
We will require SSL Certs. The ones at GoDaddy.com are much cheaper than Verisign by a factor of more than 10 times. Are they as good as the ones from Verisign or do we need to go with Verisign for some reason?
Do
So, I just called my Vet to get my little girl (pic and bio of her here -
shameless plug - http://cvwp.com/company-staff.html - look at the bottom
bio) a ProHeart (injected version of HeartGuard) shot. They told me that
it was recalled, and they are no longer using them. Anybody heard why and
No, it shouldn't. A proper science class will explain the scientific method
and then deal with science. The problem is that science is being used as a
hammer to beat those who believe in God by saying that God does not exist
(something they have never and can never prove so is outside of science).
Ray Champagne said:
(within reason I guess, no stripper poles and gang fights in the front yard)
Well, you can always put the poles in the *back* yard... if you have a fence! :)
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Man, now that is good stuff :)
Only took two days, but we are back at the beginning. I guess those of you
that missed it the first time now have the chance to jump on the train
before it leaves the station again!
Ray
At 03:27 PM 9/29/2004, G wrote:
>And thus...shouldn't be taught in a public
I can't believe we're going over this again:)
> Unfortunately there are no flaws.
>
> 1.) That Amb. Wilson returned from the mission VP
> Cheney sent him on
> and reported that there was no threat of Iraq
> buying, or attempting to
> buy, yellow cake is not in dispute.
He said his wife didn't get
And thus...shouldn't be taught in a public science classroom.
Wowwe've finally come full circle :)
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From: Michael Dinowitz
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:19 PM
Subject: RE: Here we go again
I really havn't read most of the
I really havn't read most of the discussion, but yes, testing for the
existance of God is outside the realm of science.
_
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 3:07 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Here we go again
sounds like a good sum
sounds like a good summation of the discussion to me.
To add one point though,
Ergo it is not within the realm of Science therefore not a topic of
scientific investigation.
larry
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:57:23 -0400, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1.The existence of God is a perso
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that before.
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:45:59 -0700, William Bowen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope I meant the Russians. They had been rattling on about rolling
> through Germany even if it meant rolling over Allied positions.
>
> We bombed Dresden as a demonstrat
1.The existence of God is a personal issue that is verified (on a per person
basis) based on anecdotal evidence. I know that God exists due to the
evidence, but I could not prove it to others as the evidence is mainly
personal and has no meaning to others.
2. You can never 100% prove a scientific
come to salisbury son, im in a 2100 sq ft. house we built 2 years ago,
we bought it for 190k, and now houses in my neighborhood, the same
size/we have more amenities are now selling for $275k
BRING IT!!
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:30:53 -0400, Tangorre, Michael
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We went
Great debate, I just consciously made that decision myself. I must say
that I have learned a lot of stuff
Ray
At 02:36 PM 9/29/2004, you wrote:
>You know what. I realized that I just go so engrossed in this subject. I
>must have just flooded everyone's mail box.
>I will gracefully end any
Well there was nothing to indicate that Mr. Atta or Mr. Moussaoui were
terrorists either - except the fact that they were acting strangely.
For Mr. Atta it was flying about the US and world despite having no
job and an expired US visa, and for Mr. Moussaoui it was requesting
flying lessons on a co
The most fundamental point to me seems that if a person put the mind
to it and had the time, they could research, test, and prove the
scientific theories. On the other hand, no matter how much time,
work, or research you put into it, you'd not be able to prove there
is/isn't a god. That's where
Nope I meant the Russians. They had been rattling on about rolling
through Germany even if it meant rolling over Allied positions.
We bombed Dresden as a demonstration of firepower.
There were a few other factors as well, but Dresden at that point had
been largely untouched and was in the path of
Better set aside another two weeks then :)
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From: Michael Dinowitz
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Here we go again
I'll have to get back to this thread some time in 2 weeks (holiday
tonight for 2 days +
You seem to be missing a very important point. Data. The data has to
support the conclusions before any tenative acceptance of that model
is made.
larry
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:32:40 -0400, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 14:21 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >If the data adequately supporte
Mike D is wy behind on emails due to holiday and work. If I wasn't, then
HoF would be running in Blackstone now, the new ability to search by poster
name would be live (it's written mostly) and I'd be up to date on the gmail
requests. I'll have to get back to this thread some time in 2 weeks (h
Unfortunately there are no flaws.
1.) That Amb. Wilson returned from the mission VP Cheney sent him on
and reported that there was no threat of Iraq buying, or attempting to
buy, yellow cake is not in dispute.
2.) That Mr. Clarke repeatedly warned Mr. Bush that Al Queda was a
larger threat than I
You know what. I realized that I just go so engrossed in this subject. I
must have just flooded everyone's mail box.
I will gracefully end any more public discussion of this topic. Although
it may be a tad late for that. I really enjoyed this topic and I hope I
didn't offend anyone. I have
At 14:21 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>If the data adequately supported the conclusions, and were considered
>to do so by the relevant scientific community, then I would
>tentatively accept the conclusions. The watchword is tentatively.
>Otherwise I freely admit it would be beyond me and goes into t
Then again, rent is usually significantly higher than paying a
mortgage. When you factor in the tax benefits you get from owning a
house, in the long run owning the place works out to be much better.
larry
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:30:53 -0400, Tangorre, Michael
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We went
>As for people's individual relationships to science, you are correct
>to a point. As Clarke said: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
>indistinguishable from magic." And the clever corollary from someone
>else: "Any technology that does not appear magical is insufficiently
>advanced."
>
>The
We went to look at a house in Rockville, MD the other day... this old, 3
bedroom house was 365K... I was dumfounded.
I am going to rent for life.
Michael T. Tangorre
From: Kristine C. Hege [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:22 PM
At 13:53 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, I guess that we'll have to agree to disagree - sort of. I see where
>you're coming from when you say that you and I are not able to prove these
>Laws ourselves. But what I am trying to get across is that the scientific
>community holds themselves to a s
Congrats on the new house.
We're closing on our second house on Monday the 4th. In the home stretch
now.
Best of luck, hope all goes well.
Kristine C. Hege
MIS
SoVerNet, Inc.
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From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2
If the data adequately supported the conclusions, and were considered
to do so by the relevant scientific community, then I would
tentatively accept the conclusions. The watchword is tentatively.
Otherwise I freely admit it would be beyond me and goes into the realm
of Don't Know.
larry
On Wed, 2
No - Dresden was firebombed by the Allies for apparently no other reason than retaliation.
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From: Marlon Moyer
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: The Election and The Economy
Don't you mean Germans? :)
On Wed, 29
Don't you mean Germans? :)
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:10:00 -0700, William Bowen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So was Dresden (including our own POWs) and we leveled it to give the Russians
> pause during WWII.
>
> > As for Fallujah - it's a city filled with innocent people...there's no way that you
>
I read an article a while back that they have so many applicants that
they screen for the really crazy smart. They do a lot of recruiting of
Ph.D.'s from MIT apparently, so it's not just west coasters.
-Kevin
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:50:48 -0400, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd ha
So was Dresden (including our own POWs) and we leveled it to give the Russians
pause during WWII.
> As for Fallujah - it's a city filled with innocent people...there's no way that you
> can justify leveling it.
I don't agree that we should level Fallujah or should have at the time
of the start of
At 14:00 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>When I reach that point you refer to I educate myself until such a
>point that I cannot go any further and recognize it. For those other
>fields, I do recognize that they are not my area, so my comments are
>not necessarily valid.
Doesn't matter if your comme
Is this the big move to Florida? :-D
-Kevin
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:32:08 -0400, Erika L. Walker-Arnold
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We are in the process of buying a house. As a matter of fact, our offer
> was accepted today!
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When I reach that point you refer to I educate myself until such a
point that I cannot go any further and recognize it. For those other
fields, I do recognize that they are not my area, so my comments are
not necessarily valid.
One of Clarke's Laws of Science apply here, When a scientist is
speak
IMO, you're confusing the observation of a process (evolution) with a
causative agent (god).
As for people's individual relationships to science, you are correct
to a point. As Clarke said: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic." And the clever corollary from someon
Well, I guess that we'll have to agree to disagree - sort of. I see where
you're coming from when you say that you and I are not able to prove these
Laws ourselves. But what I am trying to get across is that the scientific
community holds themselves to a standard that when a Law is proven as s
At 13:32 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm not sure that "we're" trying to verify that it's "true" although you may
>be. ;^)
>
>
>
>Asking "what is truth" is a rather dead-end question that, as you're
>pointing out, prevents any intelligent conclusions. Science really doesn't
>deal with "truth" as
I'm looking for a way to allow customers to control the content of
their web pages and stumbled across this coldfusion tag. Does anyone
have an example of using this tag with dynamic coldfusion?
Are there other methods that you recommend? We are under tight budget
constraints so would prefer a f
I'd have offered my services but they probably want people coming out to the
west coast and I don't want to do that. Otherwise, I've got lots of skills
that they need beyond just math. My anti-spam stuff, ideas/designs for
community building, etc. (yes, I'm behind on most of that due to time)
And I
I don't know. I still have some weird distinction between "solving the
problem" and "finding the answer". ;^)
My guess is that Google is looking for people that could do the former
without resorting to the latter. Which is a shame. I could fit in quite
well there, I think.
Jim Davis
From: Dean
PIty. I was looking forward to buying you and Phil a couple of Hurricanes.
Regardless congrats on the house.
larry
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:32:08 -0400, Erika L. Walker-Arnold
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Got your attention there eh?! ;)
>
> No - MAX is still on as far as I know ... It's just we
Hey Erika! Sorry to hear you won't be attending (I still haven't gotten to meet you), but tell me more about the house. Are you moving to a different area? Downsizing? Supersizing, etc? Tell me more :)
At 01:32 PM 9/29/2004, you wrote:
>Got your attention there eh?! ;)
>
>No - MAX is still on as f
But we need you there. We've got the community suite running and we've
almost nailed down our first sponsor. Someone from the old Allaire days that
many will remember. :)
If your not there then we'll cry!
_
Got your attention there eh?! ;)
No - MAX is still on as far as I know ... It's j
Congratulations on the house! We are closing on Friday the 8th on our
first house and I must say there is no feeling like knowing that something
is going to be all yours, to do whatever you please (within reason I guess,
no stripper poles and gang fights in the front yard).
Definitely good luc
I'm not sure that "we're" trying to verify that it's "true" although you may
be. ;^)
Asking "what is truth" is a rather dead-end question that, as you're
pointing out, prevents any intelligent conclusions. Science really doesn't
deal with "truth" as it doesn't deal with many abstract topics. Sc
Got your attention there eh?! ;)
No - MAX is still on as far as I know ... It's just we shall not be
attending. Not that anyone was on the edge of their seats waiting for us
:D ... But I did think I should let my fellow muffin bearers know for
sure.
We are in the process of buying a house. As a m
If you find the solutions in more than 10 seconds, just don't bother sending
in a resume. :)
(I wonder what the source of that php program for the second question was)
_
Oh, don't think I solved the problem. I just googled the problem. Try
it. You'll see how easy it is to "solve" the prob
At 13:23 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:49:41 -0400, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 12:41 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
> > While I'm not saying that it is the same or it isn't, I'm curious what you
> > think is the difference between taking the word of a scientist a
At 13:15 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Because it has been proven using basic/advanced mathematics and physics
>facts, which were proved from the fundamentals of mathematics and
>fundamentals of physics. Math (of which physics are derived) started off
>by proving the most fundamental things, such a
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:49:41 -0400, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 12:41 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> While I'm not saying that it is the same or it isn't, I'm curious what you
> think is the difference between taking the word of a scientist and taking
> the word of some religious text i
At 13:15 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>As a nit pick here, Evolution has more support than almost every other
>scientific law, except for gravity. It has been held to a higher
>standard for good reason.
>
>The problem I see occurring here is how the word Theory is defined.
>
>In North America Theory
Yer exactly right Jim.
I noticed this as well.
We've also lost the context of the argument. Natural Laws exist within our current understanding of "Nature". If, by using these laws, within this context, a conclusion can be shown to be "true", then it is considered proven. It is proven within the
Oh, don't think I solved the problem. I just googled the problem. Try
it. You'll see how easy it is to "solve" the problem.
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:31:26 -0400, Jim Davis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yup - we've got giant banners at the Harvard and MIT T Stations.
>
> The actual banners have NOTHI
Because it has been proven using basic/advanced mathematics and physics
facts, which were proved from the fundamentals of mathematics and
fundamentals of physics. Math (of which physics are derived) started off
by proving the most fundamental things, such as 1+1=2, etc. All subsequent
laws we
As a nit pick here, Evolution has more support than almost every other
scientific law, except for gravity. It has been held to a higher
standard for good reason.
The problem I see occurring here is how the word Theory is defined.
In North America Theory means a proposition, or something slightly
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:17:34 -0500, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> According to people on the plane the terrorists were doing a dry run
> for assembling a bomb from parts in the aircraft lavatory; or
> something else fishy.
That's only valid if you assume they were terrorists. There's not
Possibly. However, I believe I said that I _don't know_ if Bush's
policies made it easier for Apex to buy out Impressions. It's possible
that they did. I _know_ that his new employment is sub-standard
compared to his old.
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:12:03 -0500, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, would
At 12:53 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I think one issue is bubbling to the surface here.
>
>
>
>In these arguments Won is arguing from the point of view of a single
>individual. His arguments are correct from that perspective. However
>others arguing with him (myself included) are using the same
Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> Robert Munn wrote:
>>
>> The trick in that case is not so much acquiring the material as it is
>> getting away. Agents from several countries have foiled many such
>> attempts since the USSR fell apart.
>
> So far the real trick has been selling it, not getting away.
At 12:44 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I guess, then, I'm at a loss for what your point is. ;^)
>
>
>
>I agree that one needs to have faith (although "trust" is, I think, a better
>word) in others when they've not the capacity or the time to "figger thangs
>out". However I can point to people, act
I think one issue is bubbling to the surface here.
In these arguments Won is arguing from the point of view of a single
individual. His arguments are correct from that perspective. However
others arguing with him (myself included) are using the same terms but
really seem to be arguing from the p
At 12:41 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>But see, I don't see how this argument works. To believe the 'hand of
>God', you have to have the faith that the stories that have been handed
>down in the bible or where ever are true. With science, all facts are
>proven, no matter how complicated they are,
we are having an elaection day bash
just whipped up a graphic for it
http://www.paulihrig.com/11022004.jpg
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She does. Sounds like you're claiming she lied. That's
how Lewinsky got involved. If it was a one-time event
she could have made it up. When they asked around to
see if it was a pattern of abuse they found Wiley,
Brodrick and Lewinsky. Lewinsky was the only one that
claims it was consensual.
That w
Its the Expos. They would probably see about 5,000 a game. Minimal
traffic impact... :P
At 06:22 AM 9/29/2004, you wrote:
>WHY!!!
>
>
>This area is congested enough, we did not need a freaking baseball team
>in the nations capital! What a traffic nightmare! It is going to cause
>mass gr
I guess, then, I'm at a loss for what your point is. ;^)
I agree that one needs to have faith (although "trust" is, I think, a better
word) in others when they've not the capacity or the time to "figger thangs
out". However I can point to people, actual-factual people, and say "I
trust that they
But see, I don't see how this argument works. To believe the 'hand of
God', you have to have the faith that the stories that have been handed
down in the bible or where ever are true. With science, all facts are
proven, no matter how complicated they are, the are all FACTS. They have
been pr
Your list is flawed.
Wilson lied and got caught. It's all documented.
Clark was trying to sell a book that contradicts
everything he's said publicly.
O'Neil's story was a joke. He's pissed he got fired.
Liars Liars Liars! :)
Gen Zinni is the only credible source you use.
According to Gen Tommy F
No - We have no idea how he knew Ms. Jones or why he requested to see
her versus some other female. My guess would be that they had a
relationship of some nature. We have no idea what the nature was, but
they may have had many trists like this. Or she may have implied this
was ok. Who knows?
A
At 10:54 9/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>The difference is that science observed the evolution but didn't
>observe the hand of god. It could just as easily be true that my
>farting in WI magically caused the evolution in a lab in CT. What the
>science tells you is what it observes happening and what i
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From: G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Have you done much reading of their stuff?
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He has a point though - their treatment of the Annie Jacobson claim as
"false" is completely without merit unless you buy into what the
government says, and even then it
>You might get away with saying that the scientist has faith in the
>scientific process, but that's really a different use of the word. A farmer
>who has faith in his plow-horse is not stating a religious preference. He
>will accept it when his plow-horse fails him just as the scientist will
>ac
I know a little bit about the area, enough to follow the results and
conclusions, that there is a steady adaptation to the environment as
evidenced by the progressive changes in for instance the legs and tail
of whales.
Claudistics is pretty obtuse, but so far its a good model. When the
pattern of
She was a state employee and he was the governor.
State troopers picked her up stating the governor
wanted to see her. They brought her to a hotel room
and he dropped his pants and told her to kiss it.
He also groped Kathleen Wiley and there was the
alleged Juanita Broderick rape. See the pattern y
The difference is that science observed the evolution but didn't
observe the hand of god. It could just as easily be true that my
farting in WI magically caused the evolution in a lab in CT. What the
science tells you is what it observes happening and what it can rule
out as the causes for that. Si
At 11:40 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>When there is a clear record in the lab of the changes then that sows
>the mechanism at work. There are clear examples from horses, whales,
>humans, various birds etc. Read the sites I mentioned.
>
>larry
Larry,
I tried to read it. But quite frankly it is b
This is an old, old, old, topic - and there's lots of literature on it.
Personally I would think that the best book you might pick up to understand
the scientists point of view is Carl Sagan "The Demon Haunted World". Sagan
was an excellent scientist and a truly motivated skeptic but also had a r
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