Re: new Cell Phone

2006-03-14 Thread Jochem van Dieten
>1x here in Verizon Land. >I'm smack dab in the middle of the wireless industry with my company >(Navtrak, Inc.) >and we haven't even heard of UMTS. I did some reading up on >it yesterday, but still do not get what the heck it is :) > >What is it? 3G in Europe/Asia: up to 2 Mbps on your cell phon

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Jerry Johnson
Tragically, you were a very confused young man. On 3/15/06, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: => Of course if they really look they'll find about 80% Gay porn and about 20% > lesbian porn... > > Let 'em 'splain that! ;^) ~| M

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:07 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture? > > The current administration? > > Obviously that since then, you've been "cured". Of course if they really loo

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Jerry Johnson
The current administration? Obviously that since then, you've been "cured". On 3/15/06, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was an odd time for me... I owned the TV and VCR and (since the 7-11 I > worked at was also a video store) the video club membership: if anybody ever > digs into my pa

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:26 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture? > > > Now, admittedly that was more in my youth... nowadays, > > well - I just don't > > like anybody. > > Given.

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
>> -Original Message- >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:51 PM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture? >> >> > My experience has been the opposite. I've not met the >> > militant homosexuals as you've described.

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread David Churvis
lol - like I said, it's my own 2 cents. I just see so many people talking about the "gay issue" and completely missing the bottom line. And it's just so interesting seeing so many different perspectives on this list and seeing a real dialogue going instead of the thirty-second sound bites we usua

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread David Churvis
Hey! I tend to lurk on this list just because I know I'd get so sucked in to all the conversations :D I try to turn a blind eye to the rampant hypocrisy among our leaders but it's really hard sometimes. David - Original Message - From: "Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread David Churvis
I have a number of friends who say the exact same thing :D David - Original Message - From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture? > I once worked for a man who had the following philosophy

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:51 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture? > > > My experience has been the opposite. I've not met the > > militant homosexuals as you've described. Maybe i

Re: Foolhardy US Posturing on Iran by Bolton

2006-03-14 Thread Robert Munn
Everyone is stumped as to where this mess goes from here. The Europeans, who worked very hard and put all their eggs in the negotiation basket, are at their wits end. The Russians are dumbfounded. The Chinese, as usual, are silent but seem like they will block any attempt at meaningful sanctions, w

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Tony
how so? 1. if i guarantee the size never goes outside of 760px wide 2. if i guarantee that every menu item has an alt parameter 3. if i guarantee that every menu item has an wrote: > Not to mention: using graphics as menu items and having the menu in the top > right hand > corner shows a disrega

Re: Foolhardy US Posturing on Iran by Bolton

2006-03-14 Thread Dana Tierney
I was thinking about this overnight... That is the problem, and we agree on it, that probably no one in charge has any idea either. Who'd have thunk it? I don't agree that the UN path is necessarily fruitless, though as the organization exists today you are probably right. >Hehe, every once in

Re: Foolhardy US Posturing on Iran by Bolton

2006-03-14 Thread Dana Tierney
I don't know if Bush said it, but the plans are on the drawing board... Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore are competing to design the next generation of nuclear weapons. I can't post a link as it's in a subscriber area, but there is a story about this in today's Albuquerque Journal. >And where

Re: Boot camp death not natural

2006-03-14 Thread Robert Munn
either glaring incompetence or an attempted cover-up. either way, this story looks to be headed toward a major lawsuit for wrongful death. On 3/14/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "The results were in contrast to the initial autopsy," > > Who carried out the first autopsy, and how did they

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Ben Doom
S.Isaac Dealey wrote: > Hey baby! You like my ride? > Check out the sweet stereo! It's bisexual! Male *and* female ports! Comes with both woofers and tweeters! Insert a CD or extend the antenna! Runs off AC or DC! Yep, that dead horse is well-beaten. --Ben ~

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> On 3/14/06, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Have you never heard of bears? Gay men who are large and >> hairy and >> prefer to be with large hairy men? They exhibit all of >> the >> stereotypical behaviors of verile, rugged, macho men, >> except that they >> fuck each other instead

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> S.Isaac Dealey wrote: >>> Well... anything can be done half-assed. Even the >>> utterly >>> simple process of gender preference. Besides... we all >>> know you bi-sexuals are just plain greedy. ;^) >> >> See, there you go with the stereotypes. :P > Since stereo refers to multiple angles, or s

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Nick McClure
Well it is actually from two separate sources, the dictionary stuff is from the American Heritage and Wordnet dbs, the thesaurus comes from someone else. > -Original Message- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:51 PM > To: CF-Community > Subj

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
I was introverted as a child but have worked toward being extroverted over the years and am now comfortably extroverted. I didn't like being introverted actually, so I changed. :) It took a lot of work for me to be able to talk to people without being afraid of them. And as I become older I'm find

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Jillian Koskie
Not to mention: using graphics as menu items and having the menu in the top right hand corner shows a disregard for usability concerns. >I don't think it's gay. I just think it's unsophisticated. >Particularly in the use of type. Especially the navigation type in the >top right. > >Also, the use

Re: This is pretty ironic

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
She got all the way to college and still didn't know that she shouldn't put her back to thousands of pounds of lumbering steel that she couldn't hear? ... wow... that's Darwin-worthy... > freakin crazy! > On 3/14/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Miss Deaf Texas struck by trai

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Ben Doom
S.Isaac Dealey wrote: >> Well... anything can be done half-assed. Even the utterly >> simple process of gender preference. Besides... we all >> know you bi-sexuals are just plain greedy. ;^) > > See, there you go with the stereotypes. :P Since stereo refers to multiple angles, or sides, then a

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Jerry Johnson
Damn, I'm an enfp too. Although I go through periods of infp, then enfp, then infp over the years. On 3/14/06, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which is actually unusual for me because I tend to be very "intuitive" > (ENFP) with regard to non-moral judgements... with moral judgements

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Tony
On 3/14/06, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think it's gay. I just think it's unsophisticated. > Particularly in the use of type. Especially the navigation type in the > top right. its meant to be bunched together like that actually :) > Also, the use of graphics for all layout

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
>> -Original Message- >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:14 PM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture? >> >> > In short I really wouldn't surprised if, at the genetic >> > level, there's a very fine (and pretty da

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Yeah, that's kinda strange given that they're run by the same parent company... But then, there's a lot of content and their editors can't possibly nail every perceived content discrepancy. > Funny; because dictionary.com defines ethics as the study > of moral values, > or a theory or system of mo

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Kevin Graeme
I don't think it's gay. I just think it's unsophisticated. Particularly in the use of type. Especially the navigation type in the top right. Also, the use of graphics for all layout elements is S 90's. It gives the designer plenty of control initially but it's a pita to maintain long term. On

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
>> Your argument sounds stupid. :) > That's because you either refuse, or are incapable > of, understanding it, apparently. Because your > comments that follow don't address any aspect of > my argument. I'm not going to get into 3rd grade debate tactics with you. >> You're still saying "I'm in

Re: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident?

2006-03-14 Thread Tony
i try to not believe anything until i hear it on msnbc of course, all the while listening to coldplay, and watching survivor :) tw On 3/14/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fake because I heard it, and then later found it fake. > > It was a newsflash on TotalFark a few hours ago. > >

RE: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident?

2006-03-14 Thread Nick McClure
Fake because I heard it, and then later found it fake. It was a newsflash on TotalFark a few hours ago. > -Original Message- > From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:56 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident? > >

Re: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident?

2006-03-14 Thread Charlie Griefer
seems questionable. why would that be released as a press release (and not released on any of the major news wires)? also the link takes you to a "this story has moved" page. As of now I'm thinking fake. Dunno what this world is coming to when you can't believe something you read on a mailing l

Re: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident?

2006-03-14 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/will-ferrell/debunker-will-ferrell-not-dead-in-paragliding-accident-160492.php On 3/14/06, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actor Will Ferrell Dies in Paragliding Accident > I-Newswire.com (press release) - 5 hours ago > Los Angeles -- Actor Will Ferrell accident

Re: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident?

2006-03-14 Thread William Bowen
google-news'd the same, link goes to this... from http://i-newswire.com/pr58954.html (I-Newswire) - The content of this press release was removed or moved to another location. Please use our search function to search for the new location or enter a search string to find similar items. fake. >

Re: CFUNITED First timer!!

2006-03-14 Thread Ben Doom
Yeah, but the joke is still funny. :-) --Ben "75% Scottish" Doom Andy Allan wrote: > (being from Scotland I know this ...) > > On 14/03/06, Ben Doom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Anyone from Scotland will tell you a Scottish man is a Scot, not Scotch. >> But there's no reason the two can't be

Re: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident?

2006-03-14 Thread Tony
Actor Will Ferrell Dies in Paragliding Accident I-Newswire.com (press release) - 5 hours ago Los Angeles -- Actor Will Ferrell accidentally died in a freak para-gliding accident yesterday in Torey Pines, Southern California. from google news? On 3/14/06, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Charlie Griefer
On 3/14/06, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you never heard of bears? Gay men who are large and hairy and > prefer to be with large hairy men? They exhibit all of the > stereotypical behaviors of verile, rugged, macho men, except that they > fuck each other instead of women. I'd

Re: CFUNITED First timer!!

2006-03-14 Thread Andy Allan
(being from Scotland I know this ...) On 14/03/06, Ben Doom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone from Scotland will tell you a Scottish man is a Scot, not Scotch. > But there's no reason the two can't be combined... > > --Ben > > Andy Allan wrote: > > An open bar ... and a Scotsman. That's just d

Re: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident?

2006-03-14 Thread Kevin Schmidt
Nope, but at least they can still execute Moussaoui! Matthew Blatchley wrote: > Is anyone else getting this > > Someone from work just called and said he heard it on the radio... > > Matt > > > > ~| Message: http://www.house

Re: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident?

2006-03-14 Thread Charlie Griefer
fake because you heard the rumor and heard it was fake or fake because you haven't heard the rumor? :) On 3/14/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fake > > > -Original Message- > > From: Matthew Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:45 PM > > To:

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Nick McClure
Funny; because dictionary.com defines ethics as the study of moral values, or a theory or system of moral values. > -Original Message- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:52 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture? >

RE: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident?

2006-03-14 Thread Nick McClure
Fake > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:45 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Will Ferrel dies in freak accident? > > Is anyone else getting this > > Someone from work just called and said he heard it on the radio.

Re: This is pretty ironic

2006-03-14 Thread Tony
freakin crazy! On 3/14/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Miss Deaf Texas struck by train, killed > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/14/beauty.queen.death.ap/index.html > > > > -- > "Yes, and her legs went on forever, like staring up at infinity", > Budapest, Jethro Tull > > ~

Will Ferrel dies in freak accident?

2006-03-14 Thread Matthew Blatchley
Is anyone else getting this Someone from work just called and said he heard it on the radio... Matt ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:200117 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Teething on girls toys? Ian Skinner wrote: > Exactly! I guess you have not seen how early our society > starts teaching gender roles to our children in what toys > they play with and how they play with them. Boys = trucks > and rowdy play, Girls = dolls and quiet play to just pick > a couple.

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
"Understood" implies that it was absolute and undeniable truth, which, it's patently not, since lots of people disagree. Change "understood" to "believed" and drop "moral" from that sentence and you've got a deal. "It was an ethical judgement based on what they believed to be true." Moral and eth

This is pretty ironic

2006-03-14 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Miss Deaf Texas struck by train, killed http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/14/beauty.queen.death.ap/index.html -- "Yes, and her legs went on forever, like staring up at infinity", Budapest, Jethro Tull ~| Message: http://www.houseo

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Nick McClure
But as humans with free will we are able to make a conscious choice to continue with an immoral act. Assassination of Hitler is still an immoral act, but that is OK. Just because something is immoral doesn't mean we should never do it. This gray area isn't in morality, it is in the ethics. You ca

RE: If you've ever wondered why Northern Virginians want to cecede from the rest of the state

2006-03-14 Thread Scott Stewart
I'd support it too, but Richmond would fight it tooth and nail, because they'd loose their cash cow, and actually come up with a plan to modernize the rest of the state to make it attractive to business Thanks Scott Scott A. Stewart Webmaster/ Developer GlobalNet Services, Inc http://www.gnsi

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread G
> Your argument sounds stupid. :) That's because you either refuse, or are incapable of, understanding it, apparently. Because your comments that follow don't address any aspect of my argument. > > You're still saying "I'm in the 'in' crowd, so you're wrong/stupid". > That's a logical non-sequi

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Tony
i read it, but i didnt think i needed to respond to defend myself... and thank you... at least someone has good design eyes :) jk. i think that some constructive criticism is GREAT, some is a bit over the top, and others well, whatever... i appreciate the opinions of most on the list, so that is

Re: Boot camp death not natural

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> "The results were in contrast to the initial autopsy," > Who carried out the first autopsy, and how did they come > to such a > wildly incorrect conclusion? And when are they going to be > held > accountable for such a glaring error? > http://tinyurl.com/mdc45 Here's your answer, right in the

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Nick McClure
No, it was an ethical judgment based on what they understood to be the moral truth. > -Original Message- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:21 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture? > > > Which was a moral judge

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Robyn
I posted this in the "plumbers" thread, but not sure if you all read it since it's SOO yesterday ... If not, here it is again, in defense of Tony's gay design --- Am I the only one that thinks this design is fabulous? I really really like it. It's clean, beautiful, and you can tell that onc

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Nick McClure
This is the difference between morality and ethics. The ethics of the situation are understandable, but the morality is not. > -Original Message- > From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Understandable? What exactly do you mean by that? You discover a new > culture > that deems rape a mora

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Your argument sounds stupid. :) You're still saying "I'm in the 'in' crowd, so you're wrong/stupid". That's a logical non-sequitur for starters. On the subject of killing in particular, it's not black and white. You say "it's allways wrong to kill except in self defense", but killing isn't always

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Our government was founded on the idea that there is a > universal truth, and > that we don't know what it is, we are capable to adopt our > human laws to > what we feel and learn. But in the end, there is one > answer, one set. And > that is the answer to the meaning of life. Which was a moral

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread G
> You misunderstand the long view of relativism then. It's not so much > that the behavior of the Other is "okay" but is it understandable? You > don't have to agree with them, but understanding them without > demonizing is the first step to dealing with the issue in a way that > doesn't involve ge

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Kevin Graeme
You misunderstand the long view of relativism then. It's not so much that the behavior of the Other is "okay" but is it understandable? You don't have to agree with them, but understanding them without demonizing is the first step to dealing with the issue in a way that doesn't involve genocide. O

Re: If you've ever wondered why Northern Virginians want to cecede from the rest of the state

2006-03-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'm embarrassed to say that 2 of the Manassas area state delegates have really contributed to the problem, by squelching the Metro funding deal. At this point I'd support a Northern Virginia seccessionist movement. It has the population and budget that's larger than most states. larry On 3/14/06

If you've ever wondered why Northern Virginians want to cecede from the rest of the state

2006-03-14 Thread Scott Stewart
Read how our dirt road redneck neighbors in the southern counties want our money, our roads "aren't their problem" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/12/AR2006031201 346.html Thanks Scott Scott A. Stewart Webmaster/ Developer GlobalNet Services, Inc

Re: Too Many U

2006-03-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It could be worse, I've been attempting to explain usability to a marketing person. larry On 3/14/06, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *groan* > > /me rolls eyes > > Thanks > > Scott > > Scott A. Stewart > Webmaster/ Developer > GlobalNet Services, Inc > > http://www.gnsi.com > 11820 Pa

Boot camp death not natural

2006-03-14 Thread Vivec
"The results were in contrast to the initial autopsy," Who carried out the first autopsy, and how did they come to such a wildly incorrect conclusion? And when are they going to be held accountable for such a glaring error? http://tinyurl.com/mdc45 ~~~

RE: Too Many U

2006-03-14 Thread Scott Stewart
*groan* /me rolls eyes Thanks Scott Scott A. Stewart Webmaster/ Developer GlobalNet Services, Inc http://www.gnsi.com 11820 Parklawn Dr Rockville, MD 20852 Voice: (301) 770-9610 x 335 Fax: (301) 770-9611 The information contained in this message may be privileged, confidential, and protec

Re: Too Many U

2006-03-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It just shows that with much of American English there's no U'sability. Its not at all U's er friendly. larry On 3/14/06, Stephen Cassady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [cf_poke_the_bear] > Actually - that's exactly the problem with Americans - they don't think of > "you", they think only of the se

Re: Too Many U

2006-03-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
rofl. That's too funny. larry On 3/14/06, Stephen Cassady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [cf_poke_the_bear] > Actually - that's exactly the problem with Americans - they don't think of > "you", they think only of the self and nothing of their community. Of course > they would remove U from everythi

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Jerry Johnson
Nope, but this conversation would have been a waste of time for both of us if you had answered "yes". Since it was a no: I think that "right and wrong" and morality are not absolutes. In my life, my beliefs have undergone numerous changes and refinements. My beliefs of right and wrong are somewha

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread G
Of course notwhat does that have to do with anything? You can't form an opinion and defend it unless or until you can provide evidence that your opinions are never wrong? What's your point? > Are you completely and utterly sure you are always 100% correct on > every issue, and that no o

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Jerry Johnson
Are you completely and utterly sure you are always 100% correct on every issue, and that no one who disagrees might ever be right? On 3/14/06, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cultural relativism says that anything goes, as long as the local "culture" > deems it ok. > > Ergo.slavery, murder, rap

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread G
Cultural relativism says that anything goes, as long as the local "culture" deems it ok. Ergo.slavery, murder, rape..you name it.is all fair game, as long as you can get enough people to agree with it. Now you tell me..what argument sounds stupid? > That really is a dumb argument r

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Ian Skinner
Teething on girls toys? Exactly! I guess you have not seen how early our society starts teaching gender roles to our children in what toys they play with and how they play with them. Boys = trucks and rowdy play, Girls = dolls and quiet play to just pick a couple. -- Ian Skinn

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Don't forget all the gratuitous e's we removed... :) olde, shoppe, thwarte > Actually, we took a language with too many U's in > itand corrected it. > Honour, humour.completely unnecessary u's. >> >> Americans, you take a perfectly good language... ;) s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Gruss Gott wrote: > Although that's got to be only one factor as there > are twins who turn out different. In the case of > the article I posted the mother said she noticed > the difference in the boys at about 18 months. > At a minimum that alone seems to prove that Gay is > genetic, not upbring

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
G wrote: > Killing another human being for a reason other than self > defense IS wrong, universally and objectively. Claiming > otherwise is cultural relativism...a position who's > ludicracy has been made evident time and again. >> Good point, but it could be argued that the vast majority >> of r

Re: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Jerry Johnson
What about suicide? For the terminaly ill? In great and untreatable pain? As for murder, it is wholly a legal concept (not meaning American laws, but law none-the-less). On 3/14/06, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is always gray area. Only a religous nut or a Bush worshipper would > say oth

Re: Too Many U

2006-03-14 Thread G
So you want MORE US intervention into world events? Interesting.we'll see what we can do. > [cf_poke_the_bear] > Actually - that's exactly the problem with Americans - they don't think of > "you", they think only of the self and nothing of their community. Of > course > they would remove U f

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:14 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture? > > > In short I really wouldn't surprised if, at the genetic > > level, there's a very fine (and pretty damn mall

Too Many U

2006-03-14 Thread Stephen Cassady
[cf_poke_the_bear] Actually - that's exactly the problem with Americans - they don't think of "you", they think only of the self and nothing of their community. Of course they would remove U from everything they could. [/cf_poke_the_bear] > From: "G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Actually, we took a langu

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread Nick McClure
But it does speak to the foundation of this government, and the use of government to ensure some level of morality in society. It is not law, however the supreme court has noted that document in cases. Part of this I guess is based on my belief that there is order to the universe, that there is so

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> In short I really wouldn't surprised if, at the genetic > level, there's a very fine (and pretty damn malleable) > line between "straight" and "gay". There can't be... because some of us aren't straight or gay. :) The presence of cultures in which bisexuality was a norm in one fashion or anothe

RE: Blank Spaces * X

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
>> -Original Message- >> From: Jillian Koskie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:23 AM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Blank Spaces * X >> >> I need to insert 'filler' spaces for a fixed width >> file... What's the best >> way to insert '5 spaces' without doing   o

RE: Interesting take on a media player

2006-03-14 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:51 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Interesting take on a media player > > http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=LX351&sourceid=qIq2RBbz1JhfAkmzaVl > 5&cm_ven=CJ&cm_pla=0038384489&

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Tony
and they ARE GOOD at their analyses. tw On 3/14/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and here's someone who agrees with you. > > http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/current-style.cfm > > > On 3/14/06, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > actually, i own the company, and she has nothi

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Tony
:) dude. relax... its all good, i dont get mad... i just get riggity, and then its all good! tw On 3/14/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Like I said I think we are going after different clients. I don't think > government or the military would give millions of dollars to a company with

Interesting take on a media player

2006-03-14 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=LX351&sourceid=qIq2RBbz1JhfAkmzaVl5&cm_ven=CJ&cm_pla=0038384489&cm_ite=LX351 This item is a pretty cool idea. Sell just the enclosure and let the consumer stuff whatever hard drive inside. The only downfall I can see is that it apparently doesn't have netw

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
and here's someone who agrees with you. http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/current-style.cfm On 3/14/06, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > actually, i own the company, and she has nothing to do with it, but > it was a point to show the sheer ridiculousness of the gay shit... just > because > a

RE: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Loathe
Like I said I think we are going after different clients. I don't think government or the military would give millions of dollars to a company with a site like that, however I'm sure small business owners love the friendlier feel of it. It's just not for me man. It's nothing personal. Jeez. --

RE: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Adkins, Randy
I totally agree. Sites do not have to have all the advanced items and such. As long as The client likes the site, it functions as requested, and easy to use from both users (end and internal), then your good to go.. -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday,

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Jillian Koskie
imo... it's too... 'big' >strange that you would say that. >my wife actually owns the company, and there >are three female designers that i work with, >so why does it have to be gay? i just dont get it. > >wtf. > >On 3/14/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ~~

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Tony
actually, i own the company, and she has nothing to do with it, but it was a point to show the sheer ridiculousness of the gay shit... just because a design isnt technical in nature, or MANLY in look, doesnt mean it cannot be designed by a man... and exactly what you say is what i think is SEVEREL

Re: Foolhardy US Posturing on Iran by Bolton

2006-03-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
And where has Bush said he's breaking the current nuclear treaties? And where did he say we're building new nuclear weapons? And as for using an ATOMIC bomb (not nuclear), it was in a time of war. Is Iran at war with anyone other than it's self stated war with Israel? There was a 'past plan' to

Re: FW: For muslim who says violence destroys islam, violent threats

2006-03-14 Thread William Bowen
> Kudos for her. Indeed, she is a much needed voice! Unfortunately, I cannot help but think 'how long until we hear of her untimely death?' And how many voices will that quash? -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~~~

Re: FW: For muslim who says violence destroys islam, violent threats

2006-03-14 Thread Vivec
Kudos for her. Hopefully more moderate muslims are able to stand up to the threat of death and speak out similarly. Let's hope that the countries in which they reside are able to protect them as well. On 3/14/06, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Remember that clip about that Islamic wo

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> What? First, I'm not a religious person. I do think there > is something that > created things and put things in motion, I think there is > evolution, > however, I think there is something that sets humans apart > from every other > living thing. > According to the modern ethics of some Muslims

RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?

2006-03-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Yes actually, I have. On a number of occasions. The fact that the ones you've seen were all jocks is merely anecdotal evidence -- there are quite a few families in which the boys behave differently. Harry Eddleman, my best friend in 3rd grade, his older brother Christian looked out for him, got him

FW: Its a miracle

2006-03-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://www.antiwrap.com/?940 Woman gets beer from her kitchen faucet OSLO (AP) — It almost seemed like a miracle to Haldis Gundersen when she turned on her kitchen faucet this weekend and found the water had turned into beer. Two flights down, employees and customers at the Big Tower Bar were ho

RE: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Loathe
Ha ha You work for your wife. Sorry I couldn't help it :) Seriously though, I really don't think it looks like a web designers page. I would expect to see some more advanced stuff, maybe some flash, and something that looks more technical, but I think we are probably going after different market

RE: Blank Spaces * X

2006-03-14 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Jillian Koskie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:23 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Blank Spaces * X > > I need to insert 'filler' spaces for a fixed width file... What's the best > way to insert '5 spaces' without doing   or chr(32)

FW: For muslim who says violence destroys islam, violent threats

2006-03-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Remember that clip about that Islamic woman who criticized Islam on Al-Jazera? The International Herald Tribune has an article about her: http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/13/america/web.0313sultan.php For muslim who says violence destroys islam, violent threats By JOHN M. BRODER The New York

Re: design idea... this is how it REALLY started out

2006-03-14 Thread Tony
strange that you would say that. my wife actually owns the company, and there are three female designers that i work with, so why does it have to be gay? i just dont get it. wtf. On 3/14/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't take this the wrong way. > but that whole design looks kinda bro

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