Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Dinowitz
True. We're only human (most of us) and there are only 32 hours in a day. This is not directed at you but I see far too many people/groups who are willing to ignore some major issues in the American Muslim world for one reason or another while focusing on related issues in other places. Where is

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Dana
I think honor killings definitely represent a problem. Please explain what was solved by me saying so? I picked the Catholic Church in America as an example of an issue that I might maybe be able to make a difference on. It could just as easily have been an AIDS vaccine. All of us only have so muc

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The reference to Saudi Arabia was a specific one in relation to the thread on beheading as a fixture of Islam. As for womens issues, why only the Catholic Church in America? I think this rolls back to the beginning of the thread and brings up the point of the victim and how her religious community

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Dana
well gee. Is it a problem that somebody in Saudi Arabia got beheaded? Sure. Is it a problem that the Catholic Church in the United States does not address the problems of women? Sure. Where is it more useful to me for me to spend my time? ::shrug:: > And some pretend there is no problem. ~

Re: JUDAH!! RED ALERT! W00p! W00p!

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
Yeah, I've been following it. I'm not sure I trust the numbers on either side. I support a raise in the beer tax, it makes sense to me. And the beverage distribution lobby in Oregon is a slimy bunch. They were notorious for sending state legislators on junkets to Hawaii and similar stunts until et

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> Judah wrote: >> You know that the US is a much bigger country than either the UK or >> Canada, right? > > Fine, let's go per capita Ok, lets go per capita. What are your numbers? >> Ane in an academic setting and isn't effected >> by heal

JUDAH!! RED ALERT! W00p! W00p!

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
PORTLAND, Ore. -- Five Oregon state lawmakers want to impose a hefty tax on beer and have introduced a bill that brewers say would cripple them. Four Portland legislators joined a Springfield senator to introduce Oregon House Bill 2461, which would impose a $49.61 tax on each barrel of beer prod

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Judah wrote: > You know that the US is a much bigger country than either the UK or > Canada, right? Fine, let's go per capita > Ane in an academic setting and isn't effected > by health insurance. What do you think pays for those PhDs? My friend is getting a stipend and free tuition at Nort

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: > out or we woulda been buried, but I was lucky nobody was in the other > lane cause I needed it. > My wife never noticed or she woulda freaked out. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramat

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > On the way, we lost track of the number of accidents we saw on the side of > the road Glad you made it home safe - we've had a few knuckle biters recently too. On the way to Milwaukee (hey, don't beat yourself up, Pasadena is ok too) for Christmas, there was about 20 cars in th

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > But I would also ask who has the better medical research & development > infrastructure. You know that the US is a much bigger country than either the UK or Canada, right? And we have the largest GDP in the world. I would expect our research

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > > I took my family to Pasadena for the weekend. Hey ... how much you Cali folk want for rain-damaged Pasadena anyway? I'll give ya $100. Lemme know what you think. I'm willing to negotiate. ~| Adobe® ColdFu

Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: > in both, but I find LeCarre too slow due to the constant internal > character discussion. I perfer a fast moving plot, to massive > character development. Although the LeCarre movies have been awesome! ~| Adobe® C

Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> WillBo wrote: > To me your plot sounds more like le Carre, though that may be personal > bias Yeah, but LeCarre is more about the people than the plot isn't he? Take The Constant Gardner or The Tailor of Panama: it's mostly in the titles - the people. His plot is almost the background to talk

Re: Hey! (Paul Blart and movies filmed in places you know)

2009-02-16 Thread Rastafari
my older bro was in body of evidence. in fact he was in a restaurant scene where either madonna or willem dafoe says "where's michael" as it pans across his table where he is talking to a girl. oddly enough, his name is... "michael" :) violets are blue was filmed in the ocean city area im fairly

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Grant wrote: > I'm not sure if you mean that the UK and Canada have long lines and crappy > care of if you mean the US would if they adopt this type of system. > The latter. But I would also ask who has the better medical research & development infrastructure. In other words it's one thing to

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Rastafari
i dk what it is at all honestly... hahaha too funny. all good man On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > I guess I thought there was context. Like when you make a Simpsons or > Southpark reference you don't need > . > It's painfully obvious I'm the only one that likes Ugly B

Re: British Conservatives propose Bank exec pay limits

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
To clarify, its actually a limit on bonuses. I wasn't entirely clear on that. But I look at the Conservative party in GB versus the Republican party here and the differences are quite stark. Judah On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > But the conservatives over there proposed

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Not as funny as the fact that you actaulyl wthc it :P On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > It's painfully obvious I'm the only one that likes Ugly Betty in cfcomm. I > still say it's funny. :P > > Oh, and thanks for the love. :D > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Rastaf

Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
The Colonel with his wee beady eyes..."Oh, you're gonna eat my chicken!" On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, William Bowen wrote: > >> So. >> What group do you all think masterminded this operation? :-) > > It's a well know fact, sonny Jim, that there's a group of the five > wealthiest people in th

British Conservatives propose Bank exec pay limits

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
But the conservatives over there proposed of limit of 2,000 pounds, or roughly 2,800 dollars. Harsh. http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2009/02/No_bank_bonuses_over_2000.aspx ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is th

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
I have spoken to several colleagues from Canada about this issue and they all have nothign but good things to say about the healthcare. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > > I think this is how Canada and the UK do it and that will create the > > long lines, the crappy ca

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Grant
I guess I thought there was context. Like when you make a Simpsons or Southpark reference you don't need . It's painfully obvious I'm the only one that likes Ugly Betty in cfcomm. I still say it's funny. :P Oh, and thanks for the love. :D On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Rastafari wrote: > > w

Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread William Bowen
> I haven't read Ludlum but I didn't like the Bourne movies. Are the books > good? The books are far superior to the movies, yes. To me your plot sounds more like le Carre, though that may be personal bias... Absolute Friends actually seems to be moving in this direction. I'll let you know in

Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread William Bowen
> So. > What group do you all think masterminded this operation? :-) It's a well know fact, sonny Jim, that there's a group of the five wealthiest people in the world known as The Pentaverate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers. And meet tri-annually at a secret country man

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Grant
> I think this is how Canada and the UK do it and that will create the > long lines, the crappy care, etc. I'm not sure if you mean that the UK and Canada have long lines and crappy care of if you mean the US would if they adopt this type of system. If it's the former you're just plain wrong. Fo

I'm Too Not Drive To Drunk

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
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Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Mo wrote: > > The working title is The Long Night. Not sure what the actual title will be. > > I haven't read Ludlum but I didn't like the Bourne movies. Are the books > good? > Well, they're over the top, but some of them are really good. I liked The Osterman Weekend, but then I read them

Re: Microsoft Bizspark

2009-02-16 Thread Erika L. Walker
Lots of requirements ... I'm going to sign up - see how it goes. Curiosity and the cat and all that. We formed a new llc this year - so I can qualify under that ... On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Got this though my linkedin account, is anyone involved with this or > kn

Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread Maureen
The working title is The Long Night. Not sure what the actual title will be. I haven't read Ludlum but I didn't like the Bourne movies. Are the books good? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > That's AWESOME! Very Ludlum. You'll need some weirdo sounding 3 word > title like

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > > And here I thought I was on yours. :) > Well, I think you've been driving this direction for awhile. But the FACT - and it's a fact - is this: There exists a pervasive, managed, organized international terrorism recruiting and operations network that's accessible from just abo

Re: Hey! (Paul Blart and movies filmed in places you know)

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Munn
John Waters films - a lot of the Baltimore locations are familiar to people who live in the city. Polyester was filmed outside the city in Severna Park where I grew up, in a neighborhood called Chartwell. Anything with the Naval Academy or Annapolis in it is familiar. There is a scene in one of t

Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Mo wrote: > It's a battle between the Saudi families who have lost their friend in > Washington, and the old school Euro banking families, who now see a > chance to regain their power. > That's AWESOME! Very Ludlum. You'll need some weirdo sounding 3 word title like ... The Vaduz Conspiracy

Re: Hey! (Paul Blart and movies filmed in places you know)

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
When I was kid I used to visit my aunt inLeonardo and was in the Quick MArt fro Clerks all the time. I grew up in the same area, roughyl as Kevin SMith, so I am familiar with a lot of the places from some of his movies. The park in Chasing Amy where they aswing on the swings is right diwn the st

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Mo wrote: > While this may be somewhat true in theory, in practice the insurance > industry is corrupt to the point where standard business practices do > not apply. > How so? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most imp

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
That's Hot! On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > And here I thought I was on yours. :) > > > -- Scott Stroz --- Voted 'Man of the Year' by the 8th circle of Dante's hell ~~~

Re: Hey! (Paul Blart and movies filmed in places you know)

2009-02-16 Thread Maureen
New Jack City was filmed in front of our loft in Atlanta. A couple of scenes from California were filmed at the Lucky Street Cafe, where we ate breakfast most days for about three years. My grandfather was an extra in the movie Tank, with James Garner, as a farmer sitting in his truck at an inte

Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread Maureen
It's a battle between the Saudi families who have lost their friend in Washington, and the old school Euro banking families, who now see a chance to regain their power. Not really, but that's the plot of a novel I'm writing. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Vivec wrote: > > So. > What group do

Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread Vivec
So. What group do you all think masterminded this operation? :-) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archi

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Maureen
While this may be somewhat true in theory, in practice the insurance industry is corrupt to the point where standard business practices do not apply. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > No there's not and there's no "fundamental flaw". > > The only difference between Dell's bus

Re: Hey! (Paul Blart and movies filmed in places you know)

2009-02-16 Thread Jerry Johnson
Dumb and Dumber - big blue bug in Providence Hunt for Red October - sonar room reminds me of my dad and his stories. Departed - My train goes over the bridge they met under Next Karate Kid - red line trains Mission Impossible II - viaduct under Sydney bridge holds really good memories. Mystic Pizz

Hey! (Paul Blart and movies filmed in places you know)

2009-02-16 Thread Jim Davis
Hey! I've been made to feel included in something in which I'm not even reasonably involved! Anyway - we saw "Paul Blart: Mall Cop". It's not good. It's not bad either, but it's not good. Just plain-jane, utterly formula, completely innocuous comedy. Some giggles, a bunch of groans and a few

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Dinowitz
And here I thought I was on yours. :) On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Dino wrote: > > > > It's scary how closely Gruss and I are on this. Really. > > > > I'm on the Dino bus! W00t! > ~| Adobe® ColdFu

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Judah wrote: > There are some big differences between auto insurance and health > insurance. No there's not and there's no "fundamental flaw". The only difference between Dell's business and insurance is that Dell is more certain of his cost risk: Inputs: HI: you pay a monthly premium. Dell:

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > > It's scary how closely Gruss and I are on this. Really. > I'm on the Dino bus! W00t! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doublecl

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Dinowitz
It's scary how closely Gruss and I are on this. Really. Or Vista is actually crap as is the logic of your statement. Which is > actually what really sucks: politically correct bullshit that gets in > the way of facts and analysis. > > Where's Bill Cosby when you need him? > ~~~

RE: Windows 7 up and running!

2009-02-16 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:37 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Windows 7 up and running! > > > So... > > I realised that there was a false faceplate on the back of my machine, > and > that there was an onboard

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
Actually, I'm pretty sure that I understand insurance fairly well, though I am by no means an expert. We are, to some extent, saying the same thing. I am defining the business of health insurance by their function with relation to the purchaser of their service. I buy insurance so they will pay ou

Re: East Europe on the brink

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > > The crisis is becoming acute in the battered economies of Eastern Europe. > Will they take down the global economy? > That's the probably one of the scariest parts about all of this: the sudden and violent halt of liquidity to emerging markets. It's very likely to cause anarc

Tempers Are Flaring, Do I hear Chinese Swearing?

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
A Chinese woman who lost it at Hong Kong's international airport after missing her flight has become the latest YouTube sensation with over half a million views. The doors to the woman's flight had already closed, so Cathay Pacific wouldn't let her board. As a result she threw a three-minute tant

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Larry wrote: > Try this exercise to see if you're being racist. Does the sentence parse > accurately TEST: PCs w/Vista suck. They run like crap and they crash all of the time. agree! TEST2: Macs w/OS10 suck. They run like crap and they crash all of the time. disagree! :-0 I'm ... I'm .

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Grant wrote: > projected costs are going to be high. As with all challenges it will need to > be overcome. And there are 3 places I can think of to look: 1.) Admin costs (automation, standardization, et al) 2.) Patient-Provider. Do you really need to go to the doctor today? If you go for a co

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Judah wrote: > Here's what you don't seem to get. Paying out is not only a cost of > doing business, it *is* their business. Wrong. You REALLY don't understand insurance. The consumer doesn't want to have unpredictable and/or unmanagable costs, so they hire an insurance company to buy some of

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
Of course people will try to defraud. You may not have noticed the previous email where I agreed that vigorous oversight and fraud prevention needs to be part of any system. However, under a system where payments are going to a doctor and not to a patient, there isn't a great deal of motivation on

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Grant
Well that same prediciment faces all western societies. It's not like UK and Canada are going to abandon their nationalised healthcare because the projected costs are going to be high. As with all challenges it will need to be overcome. I know in the UK the NHS is looking more towards preventative

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
And I am sure no one has ever tried to defraud an insurance company, so all the balme has to be borne by them, right? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Insurance makes money off of investing premiums. Paying out is

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > Insurance makes money off of investing premiums. Paying out is a cost > of doing business like any other business has to pay for computers, > buildings, etc. Here's what you don't seem to get. Paying out is not only a cost of doing business,

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
No, the analogy in the software business would be a company that made money by not delivering software that people bought to run their business. Insurance does make money off of investing premiums, no doubt about it. But if that was primarily what it did, then it would be a bank, not insurance. W

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Rastafari
without context dog, that DEF. came off prickish :) but we still love ya On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > I was trying to be funny. It's a line from Ugly Betty. > Nevermind. > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Rastafari wrote: > >> >> i think belize has its own share of

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: > That's like saying software development is fundamentally flawed > because they only make money when they don't have to buy computers. > I'll give you an even better example: Dell. They make money by exploited the difference between when you pay them for a computer and when they hav

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Judah wrote: > Insurance is a fundamentally flawed industry. There is an essential > conflict inherent to the business that makes it a poor choice for > people to rely upon when in the hands of private companies (and to > some extent government as well). > That's totally untrue. Insurance make

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Munn
The big challenge is not today. That comes 30-40 years from now when the age demographics of the populations in the industrialized world have turned completely upside down from the age demographics of the entirety of human history. How will we pay for benefits when only half of the population is w

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Yes it does. Look, just because you think that the disagreements are all being ignored doesn't mean that there aren't some disagreeable people out there who don't disagree to agree on disagreeing! Just because you have a choice about who to

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Yes it does. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Judah McAuley > wrote: > > Brilliant. That stands to make these conversations much shorter. > > No it doesn't. > > ~|

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Dinowitz
And a response from the same time: http://slate.msn.com/id/2103261/ It's mentioned in the Koran. It's mentioned in the Hadith. It's mentioned in commentary. It's practiced as part of Islamic law in such places as Saudi Arabia. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Doing a qui

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Then I guess using that as a guide we can also say that killing homosexuals is condoned by the the Jewish and all Christian faiths because the following is in the Old Testament. Leviticus 20:13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a det

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Brilliant. That stands to make these conversations much shorter. No it doesn't. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> Lets agree to ignore the execution methods bit for now since my point >> doesn't seem to have gotten across. > > Okay - let's also ignore anything else we didn't agree on. Done

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > England's NHS (National Health Service) is tremendous and doesn't bring > government to it's knees the way RoMunn might have you believe. Same can be > said for Canada's national healtcare. A healthy populace can pay taxes. There are probab

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Lets agree to ignore the execution methods bit for now since my point > doesn't seem to have gotten across. Okay - let's also ignore anything else we didn't agree on. Done. -Cameron ~~~

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Grant
England's NHS (National Health Service) is tremendous and doesn't bring government to it's knees the way RoMunn might have you believe. Same can be said for Canada's national healtcare. A healthy populace can pay taxes. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Maureen wrote: > > My house mate's mother

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Grant
It's only mentioned once in the Koran On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Doing a quick Google search, I can find very little about beheadings > actually being mentioned, much less condoned, in the Koran. > >

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You make a good point, but wouldn't that be the case no mater who was > running the show? I mean if we had gov't funded insurance, wouldn't they > ultimately have to do the same thing and not just hemorrhage cash? Yes and no. I think that

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: >>> That does suck. You are mad because you were not given a choice. >>> Understandable. >> >> [snip] >> >> But trying to argue that there are currently choices >> is just absurd. > > I just said you didn't have a choice, then you went o

RE: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Sandra Clark
The problem is that Los Angeles gets the majority of its rain (about 11 inches a year) in February). Its not that people can't drive in a sprinkle (tho they typically don't), its that when it seems the gods are pouring 10 buckets of water a minute on Your windshield, its hard to do much other t

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Munn
The government will just start euthanizing sick people when the money runs out. Democrats will call it "compassionate care" or something equally absurd. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Scott wrote: > > You make a good point, but wouldn't that be the case no mater who was > running the show?

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Justin Scott
Robert Munn wrote: > Oh. I don't watch shows on TV. TV is still around? I find that I'm a much happier person when I ignore radio and TV entirely. -Justin ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramati

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > The point is that people can point at situations and say "look, there > are choices!" which sounds well and good. But if the choices aren't > really choices then the fact that you have choices is entirely moot. We still weren't talking abou

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Justin Scott
Robert Munn wrote: > On the way, we lost track of the number of accidents we saw on the side of > the road (including two that had the entire freeway stopped in one When I lived in the Los Angeles area back in 2000-2001 it became expected that the top news story on any night when it had rained t

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Doing a quick Google search, I can find very little about beheadings actually being mentioned, much less condoned, in the Koran. I did find this article on USA Today, however.. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-06-20-koran-beheadings_x.htm On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Michael Dinowitz

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Maureen
We have snow on the mountains surrounding the house, and got about seven inches of rain in the last 36 hours. We have sunshine now, but the storm isn't done, we expect another round of rain later today. The grapevine is closed, and I-5 is closed in several other places. Good thing you got home w

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Munn
Oh. I don't watch shows on TV. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Michael G wrote: > > I was trying to be funny. It's a line from Ugly Betty. > Nevermind. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic re

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > I try to be in businesses where the more money a client makes, the > more money I make. The more they use my service, the happier we both > are. Insurance is the exact opposite of that. > > Keep that in mind when thinking about public versus

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
You make a good point, but wouldn't that be the case no mater who was running the show? I mean if we had gov't funded insurance, wouldn't they ultimately have to do the same thing and not just hemorrhage cash? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Insurance is a fundamentall

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Maureen
My house mate's mother fell and injured her back while visiting us last week. She lives in Britain and is covered by their medical system. We took her to the emergency here. Twenty minutes of care and one x-ray cost almost 2 grand. When she got back to Britain she saw her doctor there the firs

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > I'm not sure I would advocate a wide selection of execution methods as > an solution for national health care. I don't think you meant that, > but the point really doesn't mean anything else in this discussion. The point is that peopl

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Because beheadings are a negative action performed almost exclusively by Muslims who use Islam as the reason for doing it. The silence in regard to it from within the Muslim community is a little scary to me, especially the silence from clergy. I expect someone to step up and say that its wrong. F

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Michael Grant
I was trying to be funny. It's a line from Ugly Betty. Nevermind. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Rastafari wrote: > > i think belize has its own share of downpours and rain spells, but i think > his > comment was a wee bit prickish. > > bad day mike? > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Robert

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
Insurance is a fundamentally flawed industry. There is an essential conflict inherent to the business that makes it a poor choice for people to rely upon when in the hands of private companies (and to some extent government as well). The fundamental conflict is this: The way they make money is by

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > "Choice" is the biggest red herring in this whole debacle. "Choice" is > meaningless if the choices available don't do you any good. In many > states you have a choice between methods of execution. You could be > electrocuted or die by letha

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Cameron Childress
In SoCal, it rains so infrequently that 15-20 fatalities could easily happen. ...and that's just counting the drowning of blondes standing outside and looking up at the sky with their mouths open. -Cameron On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > I take it you have never been to S

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
Yes. Lots of choices in life. Many of them false choices. Like why are we having a healthcare debate anyway? If people chose to live in hermetically sealed bubbles and not interact with other humans except virtually and they followed an optimal diet and exercise plan then we wouldn't need health

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stewart
sounds like snow here in NC... grab a drink and relax.. yer home Robert Munn wrote: > I take it you have never been to Southern California. Rain itself is an > event; the kind of rain we are experiencing right now is almost unheard of. > Most people here have little or no experience driving in an

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Rastafari
i think belize has its own share of downpours and rain spells, but i think his comment was a wee bit prickish. bad day mike? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > I take it you have never been to Southern California. Rain itself is an > event; the kind of rain we are experienc

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
The obvious answer there, for starters, would be not to commit a capital offense in a state with capital punishment. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > "Choice" is the biggest red herring in this whole debacle. "Choice" is > meaningless if the choices available don't do y

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Gruss Gott
> Cam wrote: > I see alot of choice there. You choose your employer. You employer > can choose any insurer. You also have the choice to get your own > coverage if you wish, even while employed. > Interestingly though, if you only made a change with "payer" you could argue you'd get more choice

Re: SoCal rainstorm & traffic

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Munn
I take it you have never been to Southern California. Rain itself is an event; the kind of rain we are experiencing right now is almost unheard of. Most people here have little or no experience driving in anything more than a light drizzle. I would not be at all surprised to see 15-20 fatalities f

Re: Wow - This Ain't A Good Trend

2009-02-16 Thread Judah McAuley
"Choice" is the biggest red herring in this whole debacle. "Choice" is meaningless if the choices available don't do you any good. In many states you have a choice between methods of execution. You could be electrocuted or die by lethal injection. Whooppie! But what if you didn't want to die? Oh,

Re: Welp. Case Closed On That.

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Stroz
Why do there need to be protests against it to show that a majority of Muslims are against it? This is basically like asking, can African-Americans live without drugs, because Gruss saw a few black guys doing drugs once. (and I would think more people die from drug use that beheading in this coun

Re: Microsoft Bizspark

2009-02-16 Thread Robert Munn
I got it, too. Looks to me like Microsoft's attempt to stem to flow of developers - especially in startups - to open source software and related tools. The down cycle is going to accelerate the erosion of Microsoft's market share to freeware competitors, this looks like their acknowledgement of th

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