http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/consumer_goods/article6572173.ece
LOréal, the French cosmetics giant, whose advertising campaigns proclaim
because youre worth it, was found guilty of racial discrimination for
considering black, Arab and Asian women unworthy of
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/21/AR2009062101726_2.html?wprss=rss_nationsid=ST2009062200350
There is a simplicity and all-inclusiveness to the number three --
the triangle, the Holy Trinity, three peas in a pod. So it's perhaps
not surprising that the Family of Man
I know I have said it before, but there is no way we can be diplomatic with
this guy...can't happen.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529022,00.html
Just about the
entire world has expressed their concerns (some with harsher words
than Obama used), yet Obama (and the US) get warned not to
I thought this story was interesting:
*http://tinyurl.com/ku5sb8
*
I am kind of torn on this one. On the one hand, she did enter the
country illegally, and if I am reading it right, she even knew it was
illegal but made the conscious decision to continue with the ruse due to
financial
Just about the
entire world has expressed their concerns (some with harsher words
than Obama used), yet Obama (and the US) get warned not to mettle in
their affairs.
How can we ever think diplomacy would work when we would undoubtedly need
this guy to be part of the process?
This is a
Yep. But then, I get just about every scam and virus there is sent to
meit's fun.
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So is everyone else in here getting the mass Microsnot email about the
Outlook/Express Critical patch?
That's because King is the master, and the rest are all imposters.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Paul Ihrig pih...@gmail.com wrote:
get some holy water.
a bottle of gin, a steak, and wait till dawn..
btw just finished Salem's Lot
.. and it is the best vampire story i have every
nope.
ive rid myself of outlook, i have exchange managing my contacts and
calendar stuff
paired up with google calendar and my iphone and there is
synchronicity betwixt them.
then i have gmail popping my exchange account... and now i no longer have to
run that dastardly program!
On Thu, Jun
I definitely think serving in the military should be a way to earn
citizenship.
And both the serving member AND the spouse are usually sacrificing for that
service.
But I agree. Sneaking in on purpose and staying is bad, and usually should
not be tolerated.
I think she found the one avenue I
Very cool. Thanks for sharing that.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:34 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/21/AR2009062101726_2.html?wprss=rss_nationsid=ST2009062200350
There is a simplicity and all-inclusiveness to the number three --
Vivec wrote:
There is a simplicity and all-inclusiveness to the number three --
the triangle, the Holy Trinity, three peas in a pod. So it's perhaps
not surprising that the Family of Man is divided that way, too.
Best argument I've seen for the validity of Nurture in a long time.
Awesomeness.
http://happywaffle.livejournal.com/5890.html
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Awesomeness.
http://happywaffle.livejournal.com/5890.html
-Cameron
Nice... Wouldn't work as well with my first Gen phone since it doesn't have
gps
Hah, s'awesome.
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com
wrote:
Awesomeness.
http://happywaffle.livejournal.com/5890.html
-Cameron
Nice... Wouldn't work as
Update: Week 19...
just fond out we are having a Girl.
So far every thing looks perfect..
now a strange sense of terror is washing over me..
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And rightly so Paul. Take it from a guy who has two small daughters. I live
in abject terror of what's to come when they hit 13+.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Paul Ihrig pih...@gmail.com wrote:
Update: Week 19...
just fond out we are having a Girl.
So far every thing looks perfect..
Vivec wrote:
It still amazes me that so many people have, or pretend to have, their heads
in the sand over the realities of raci
Disclaimer: the following is a personal but reasoned opinion on what
people consider an emotional topic. If you're distressed by reasoned
opinions that may
GrussWhat Is Racism?
2009/6/25 Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com:
I don't find that racist in any way and I think the ruling is a
politically correct travesty. Here's why
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Good God. Stop the press I _agree_ with you Gruss.
I would challenge the law based on freedom of commerce, but in France I'd
lose.
I think you'd probably lose back home too.
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/me writes this date down ...
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GrussWhat Is Racism?
I think his point is that it is politically correct to criticize a
racial majority discriminating against a racial minority. It is not
politically correct to criticize a racial minority which
It is definitely racist.
But should not necessarily be illegal.
It might be smart business (they might be right about their demographics),
or it might be very shortsighted on their part (missing a whole segment of
their possible market), and shortsighted on their part (not realizing the
I don't think you actually read the entire article.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.
This is about Employment Discrimination.
This is about them stating that only Whites can sell their products,
only Whites can work for them.
I don't buy my clothes from people that look only
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Vivecgel21...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think you actually read the entire article.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.
I read it. The article is about the majority discriminating against
the minority. Gruss' (baited) examples were about minority
And I guess I should preface my agreement a little better.
I agree that when it comes to sales/marketing (or movie casting for that
matter) that there should be some leeway when it comes to race. With sales
and marketing the general idea is to try to connect your message with the
customer.
Vivec wrote:
I don't buy my clothes from people that look only like me.
And yes, if BET said that you have to be black to work here, that is
discrimination as well.
Just as if you as a business say that only Whites can use your toilets.
It's not dude, it's just not.
Let's say you show up
Grant wrote:
marketing or you sales staff. Look at the marketing for hair relaxers. Is
that racist to show only blacks in the ads or is it just smart business
because 99.9% of your clientelle is going to be black? I'm against racism.
I'm generally against anything that ends in ism save for
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Erika L. Rich elr...@ruwebby.com wrote:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20240288,00.html
You keep beating out my AP Mobile alerts... I may need to just turn that
off!
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And rightly so
Dana
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
And rightly so Paul. Take it from a guy who has two small daughters. I live
in abject terror of what's to come when they hit 13+.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Paul Ihrig pih...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm still under the delusion that our little girl is gonna be daddy's little
angel :)
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Grant wrote:
Sweet 7lb 8oz baby Geebus. Next thing you know Sam, Robert, Gruss and I will
all be making smores and singing Kumbaya around a camp fire.
But, jeepers, let's think with the market a little here ...
You're at the store and there's 2 booths to buy shampoo:
(1.) 350 lb balding
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Super bummer. She defined my childhood.
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Sweet 7lb 8oz baby Geebus. Next thing you know Sam, Robert, Gruss and I will
all be making smores and singing Kumbaya around a camp fire.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
Yup. I agree with every bit of that.
We're hoping that our daughter splits the difference between me (a
good teenager) and my wife (a slightly more, shall we say, difficult
time). My wife has been calling her mom regularly and apologizing ever
since we had a kid.
Judah
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Scott
pauly.
just make sure you are her best friend.
make sure you can talk to her about anything.
make yourself her hero, and do your best to make
sure you respect her in every way possible... that
is the best advice i heard from a friend - father of two
daughters...
be her best friend... positive
+1 gagillion
This is exactly my plan.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote:
pauly.
just make sure you are her best friend.
make sure you can talk to her about anything.
make yourself her hero, and do your best to make
sure you respect her in every way
As long as you don't sacrifice your position of authority. Be a friend who
can still set down rules and make sure your best friend adheres to them :)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
+1 gagillion
This is exactly my plan.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:23
That isn't the issue at all.
We are talking about the cab Company saying they do not hire muslims.
We are talking about the cab company saying they do not hire whites.
That is racism. That is discrimination, and is the foundation of civil rights.
It is what the US has fought hard against from
Sorry, but using military service as justification for not being convicted
and punished of a crime is plain bullshit.
If I embezzled millions of dollars and then joined the Army, would that make
me immune to my crimes? I don't think so, and it should not in this case
either.
I'd be OK with
Crime and punishment should have context. The crime in question is
being in the country that she is putting her life on the line for.
Military service has no relationship to embezzlement. It does have a
relationship to immigration and a desire to be a productive member of
this country. Therefore
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Wait, SHE is not putting her life on the line. Her husband is. SHE is an
illegal alien who came here on a bogus passport.
Judah McAuley wrote:
Crime and punishment should have context. The crime in question is
being in the country that she is putting her life on the line for.
Military
how about:
line1: hot nordic-type French chick
line2: hot black French chick
line3: hot Moroccan French chick
Asking for specific body shapes or sizes is a legitimate job
requirement for a model or a hostess. Asking for specific skin
colors is not.
My .02
Dana
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:59
Playing devil's advocate...
She came here illegally to escape poverty and reach out for the American
Dream. Marrying a man who is sacrificing his life for the country. The
spouses of veterans have long been known for their sacrifices for the
country because they are the ones that have to stay
I agree. I am torn as to whether or not this should be allowed. She too
is making sacrifices, and to be honest, being an Army wife is a very
tough job. But again, if the system allows this, think of the potential
for abuse.
And I was just correcting him. He was saying that she was serving. In
Selling copier paper, definitely not.
Selling clothing, probably not.
Selling cosmetics and hair care products, some of which are targeted
specifically to very small populations, often broadly falling along racial
lines, might make sense.
Of course, as with all stereotypes, reality often falls
it's shampoo. Usable by any ethnic group. If it were hair
straightener, then a plausible need for hair straightener is a
legitimate job requirement. I could not do it for instance. I would be
ridiculous.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jerry Johnsonjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Selling copier
put it this way -- why would they NOT want to target the sizable
Moroccan and Algerian consumer pool? The many African women in France
who also buy shampoo? If there is a legitimate reason why not I might
reconsider. And I do not consider a concern that a product used by
minorities might be
Dana wrote:
it's shampoo. Usable by any ethnic group.
Yes, but shampoo brands don't. They all have target markets and
market segments.
For example:
Nature's Love: an eco-friendly, all natural, holistic, bio-degradable
hair cleanser. This is for dirty hippies who shampoo once a month.
Vivec wrote:
That is racism. That is discrimination, and is the foundation of civil rights.
It is what the US has fought hard against from the 1960s to now.
I'm sorry, but it's just not.
If you're a company, you have a right to represent that brand any way
you like. Sales people,
But that's not a discrimination argument, but a how stupid are you
business argument.
In today's difficult markets, purposefully rejecting any potential sales is
questionable.
But, note that these were not direct sales (from what I can tell), these
were sales to salon owners, to get them to
Of course it IS a racist policy.
Maybe it shouldn't be illegal, but it CERTAINLY is racist.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
Vivec wrote:
That is racism. That is discrimination, and is the foundation of civil
rights.
It is what the US has fought
Dana wrote:
put it this way -- why would they NOT want to target the sizable
Moroccan and Algerian consumer pool?
Yeah, but who cares? It's their business and they have a right to
manage their brands any way they want.
Except, I guess, in France where the government dictates to business
How exactly is military service related to immigration?
She is not putting her life on the line, her husband is.
If I embezzled millions and gave it all to the poor, does that make it any
less of a crime? Should I not be punished because I was helping people?
She entered the country illegally.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Vivec wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/21/AR2009062101726_2.html?wprss=rss_nationsid=ST2009062200350
Among West Africans, a chance mutation in the blood protein hemoglobin
turned out to partially protect against malaria.
JJ wrote:
Of course it IS a racist policy.
Maybe it shouldn't be illegal, but it CERTAINLY is racist.
It's not and here's why:
If two people are candidates for job position, both equally qualified
and both perfectly capable, but one of them is selected solely because
the hiring manager,
*the term racial discrimination shall mean any distinction, exclusion,
restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or
ethnic origin *
Which is definitely what we have here.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
JJ wrote:
Of
JJ wrote:
*the term racial discrimination shall mean any distinction, exclusion,
restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or
ethnic origin *
Which is definitely what we have here.
If that came from law then we just need to change the law; we either
eliminate
Scott Stroz wrote:
If I embezzled millions and gave it all to the poor, does that make it any
less of a crime? Should I not be punished because I was helping people?
Just to quibble with your example, that seemed to work fine for Robin
Hood at least in the stories.
sure it is. The heart of their position is that African and Arab women
are incompatible with the the glamorous and wholesome image they are
trying to project. Not.
I understand target marketing and this ain't it.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Gruss Gottgrussg...@gmail.com wrote:
Vivec
It did. Back in the day, people used to say it's not me, some of my
best friends are Negroes. But if I let them eat at my lunch counter
then I will lose my white customers.
And one day they abolished Jim Crow.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Gruss Gottgrussg...@gmail.com wrote:
Dana wrote:
note: neither of these groups are ethnically defined. IE you can be
black and nature-loving; Hispanic and have dandruff.
Nature's Love: an eco-friendly, all natural, holistic, bio-degradable
hair cleanser. This is for dirty hippies who shampoo once a month.
Head Shoulders: That'd be for
and black women can be glamorous...
Fat people can work at Bally's.
Ugly people can be TV anchors.
Dumb people can work in book stores.
Of course all of that would be silly which is why it's not racism.
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You are making a very strong assumption here on motivation without any
facts.
Do you have facts, or just opinion, on your statement below?
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote:
sure it is. The heart of their position is that African and Arab women
are
Dana wrote:
sure it is. The heart of their position is that African and Arab women
are incompatible with the the glamorous and wholesome image they are
trying to project. Not.
ah so can you share your market analysis from when you were a market
strategy executive for L'oreal?
Or did you
BBR=Red White and Blue
says so in the article. Look at that then look at the applicant pool
then look at who they hired. My only assumption is that all of the
women were good-looking.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Gruss Gottgrussg...@gmail.com wrote:
Dana wrote:
sure it is. The heart of
You do realize that Robin Hood was a work of fiction, right? And even then,
he was considered a criminal ;)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Ian Skinner h...@ilsweb.com wrote:
Scott Stroz wrote:
If I embezzled millions and gave it all to the poor, does that make it
any
less of a crime?
Here you go
I just found this info on the Microsoft webpage the link is
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA103758151033.aspx :
Fraud alert: E-mail messages claim to be updates from Microsoft
Applies to: Microsoft
mm.Bill Gates
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote:
If you forward this email to 25 of your friends, Bill Gates will give
you a wedgie.
-Cameron
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Scott Raleysra...@itc-llc.com wrote:
Here you go
That might give him a heart attack expending all that energy at one time.
-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:14 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: FW: Microsoft Update Fraud
If you forward this email to 25 of your
If Bill Gates gives you a wedgie, is your soul darkened with not just that
wedgie, but all wedgies HE received?
(Is there a karmic multiplier in effect?)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote:
If you forward this email to 25 of your friends, Bill Gates
The number of wedgies Bill Gates has received cannot be measured with
existing technology.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Jerry Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote:
If Bill Gates gives you a wedgie, is your soul darkened with not just that
wedgie, but all wedgies HE received?
(Is there a
You're right Bruce, my apologies. I misread the article when I scanned
through it.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Bruce Sorgesor...@gmail.com wrote:
Wait, SHE is not putting her life on the line. Her husband is. SHE is an
illegal alien who came here on a bogus passport.
Judah McAuley
If you forward this email to 25 of your friends, Bill Gates will give
you a wedgie.
-Cameron
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Scott Raleysra...@itc-llc.com wrote:
Here you go
I just found this info on the Microsoft webpage the link is
hehe...
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As of 8 minutes ago he was alive. Cardiac arrest, but alive.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Vivecgel21...@gmail.com wrote:
Check a news site online...right now they are all flooded.
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On every station hear in LA.. all stations.
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:12 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Michael Jackson, dead at 50
Check a news site online...right now they are all flooded.
Vivec wrote:
Check a news site online...right now they are all flooded.
CNN just says he is in the hospital after a heart attack. He apparently
arrived alive and no other condition has been given.
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Confirmed dead now. UCLA confirming he has died.
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:21 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, dead at 50
As of 8 minutes ago he was alive. Cardiac arrest, but alive.
LA Times says he is dead on NBC
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:24 PM
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Confirmed dead now. UCLA confirming he has died.
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why do I even bother to look a news on the phone. updates happen here.
I go back to CNN and title on same story updated lol
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On Jun 25, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Scott Raley sra...@itc-llc.com wrote:
LA Times says he is dead on NBC
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From: Jacob
I'm dropping associated press app. dam thing can't even keep up with
txt and a pick updates on a major story after sending out a
notifcation alert.
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On Jun 25, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
Check a news site online...right now they are all flooded.
RIP King of Pop
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Robert Munncfmuns...@gmail.com wrote:
RIP King of Pop
+1
Super sad about the loss of one of our foxiest ladies ever, too. What a day.
:-(
Bet they're telling each other some amazing stories right about now...
in some fashion.
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Dana wrote:
BBR=Red White and Blue
says so in the article. Look at that then look at the applicant pool
then look at who they hired.
Here's what the standard should be: are ALL employees hired under BBR rules?
If the answer is no, then there is no discrimination.
(BTW, why aren't
Denny wrote:
Super sad about the loss of one of our foxiest ladies ever, too. What a day.
Yeah ... whoa. 50 is kinda young for a heart attack ... I wonder if
it was suicide
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Paul Ihrigpih...@gmail.com wrote:
hehe...
Existence is an experience.
Being really alive is a foreign experience for a lot of people.
Make the most of it, neh?
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Albert Camus
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Paul Ihrigpih...@gmail.com wrote:
thanks guys...
i am very happy.. but very tenuous.
Good mix. You never know what will happen. Too much in either
direction is teh suck.
Day by day my friend, day by day.
--
There is the good and the bad, the great and
Well it's always been said that he takes a lot of prescription drugs. They
can be pretty hard on the heart depending on which ones.
I find it really sad because I was always kind of holding out hope that in
his older years he'd start getting kind of normal again and make some kind
of comeback to
Ya man, save some of that trepidation for the later years. You've got lots
of time before you have to kick the worry cart into high gear.
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Paul Ihrigpih...@gmail.com wrote:
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i hope the child molester enjoys hell..
fuck him..
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Well it's always been said that he takes a lot of prescription drugs. They
can be pretty hard on the heart depending on which ones.
I find it really sad because I was always kind of holding out hope that in
his older years
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