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2013-10-10 Thread Judah McAuley
Wish I had thought to put this site together. http://drunkdialcongress.org/ Cheers, Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-26 Thread Vivec
A major part of the peace process is for Israel to stop building new settlements. That is a FACT. The United States wants a guarantee from the Israeli Prime Minister that Israel will STOP building new settlements. The Israeli Prime Minister said he is NOT going to give any guarantees. This is af

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
Sounds like Obama gave the spoiled brats the spanking they deserved. Eric -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:12 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East This is my last post on

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
This is my last post on this thread due to false accusations and other events. Be that as it may, I'm leaving with a news article that points directly back to the beginning of this thread - Obama's actions in the middle east and how it neither supports peace nor makes our allies feel like allie

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel according to Israel On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > No, Rush doesn't get to decide where it's capital is. > > Israel can move their capital wherever they want inside their borders. > Currently, they have chosen Tel Aviv. > ~~~

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
[mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:30 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > The region was held by other countries...but there has been political > administrative units called

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Judah McAuley
No, Rush doesn't get to decide where it's capital is. Israel can move their capital wherever they want inside their borders. Currently, they have chosen Tel Aviv. Judah On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Sam wrote: > > So Israel doesn't even get to decide where it's capital is. > > On Thu, Mar 2

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Maureen
stine has been used since the Romans were there... > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:52 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East > > > The name Pal

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
So Israel doesn't even get to decide where it's capital is. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Someone might want to tell Rush that the debate isn't about building > settlements in Tel Aviv. > ~| Want to

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Judah McAuley
Someone might want to tell Rush that the debate isn't about building settlements in Tel Aviv. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Sam wrote: > > I know this is going to piss everyone off but since I'm already famous > for my poor debating skills what the hell: > > "I know Bibi Netanyahu.  I'm going

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Judah McAuley
140BCE is the 2nd century BCE, btw. After the death of Alexander the Great, the formerly vast kingdom was split up. The area encompassing modern day Israel/Palestine was under control of Antioch IV when the Jews began to rebel under Mattathias Maccabeus and his sons. I was named after Judah Macc

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
I know this is going to piss everyone off but since I'm already famous for my poor debating skills what the hell: "I know Bibi Netanyahu. I'm going to call him up and say, 'There's an easy way to fix this problem with Obama over building homes in your own capital. Just change Israel's name to 'I

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Robert Munn
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > There was independent Jewish kingdom in the region from 140BCE to 37 > BCE under the descendants of the leader of the Maccabees.  It was > conquered by Pompey in 37BC. It went from being a client kingdom to a > province administered by

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Robert Munn
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Larry C. wrote: > > The point remains that it was a deliberate provocation aimed at the > Vice-President and by extension the country. A deliberate insult. It > would be the same if immediately before Netanyahu's last visit, the > State Department announced a $5

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
There was independent Jewish kingdom in the region from 140BCE to 37 BCE under the descendants of the leader of the Maccabees. It was conquered by Pompey in 37BC. It went from being a client kingdom to a province administered by the governor of Syria in 37 AD. BTW the Maccabees were classic expe

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
So as leader of the country, Netanyahu is not responsible for what his underlings do? yet the right wing has had tempertantrums when they slightly disagree with something an Obama underling has done. Isn't there a disconnect here? The point remains that it was a deliberate provocation aimed at t

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Robert Munn
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > IF you go back further, the reason the Romans booted them out was because of > their terrorist activities. > After the Romans had conquered Judea, you mean? How convenient that you left that part out. I suppose you think ithe Roman conques

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Robert Munn
No, the crisis was started by the moron Joe Biden, who totally failed to listen when Netanyahu said he had not been aware of the new building permits. And yet again, you totally fail to understand that we can't cut off aid to Israel. Do you really believe the Israelis would cave on a position the

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > The region was held by other countries...but there has been political > administrative units called Palestine. There weren't and you're own links prove that. ~| Want to

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > > It is what was used by governments that ruled the region since the Romans > renamed it...regardless of why they renamed i

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
ity Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East Sorry Larry. I was sure it was you that called the Jews the Original terrorists. Must have been someone else. Again, I apologize. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > that is pure and utter bullshit. I have ne

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Thank you for your apology. I'm surprised I have to admit, I wasn't expecting one. It takes a gentleman to own up like that. Best regards, larry On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Sam wrote: > > Sorry Larry. I was sure it was you that called the Jews the Original > terrorists. Must have been s

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > > It is what was used by governments that ruled the region since the Romans > renamed it...regardless of why they renamed it...with the exception of the > Ottomans as they used different naming conventions. But it wasn't, there was never

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
Sorry Larry. I was sure it was you that called the Jews the Original terrorists. Must have been someone else. Again, I apologize. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > that is pure and utter bullshit. I have never equated Jews with > terrorists. Do not put words into my

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
> > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:56 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East > > > Do we have to do this again. I guess we do. Balfou

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
mail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:48 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Palestine is a variant of Philistine...it's the ancient Greek name for > Philistines: But I already told you it

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
itz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:32 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East So you're saying it's a lie? I mean, the way you say it with a link to Fox implies that you do. If a news source, a trusted news source in Israel

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
as Palestine does not have > that much control over the militant groups.  Time for Israel to stop acting > like a spoiled fucking brat and grow the fuck up. > > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] > Sent: Wednesday

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
that is pure and utter bullshit. I have never equated Jews with terrorists. Do not put words into my mouth to support your crap. Your tinfoil had is on too tight on your pointy little head. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Sam wrote: > > They're all extreme lefties that called the Jews the terr

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
;t matter what it used to mean but how it is used. You didn't have to use the word, but your states says that is what it is. Eric -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:42 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Oba

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
>From perusing the site and seeing the tone of the other articles and op ed pieces, until I see it elsewhere, yeah. Eric -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:32 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power dr

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:27 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East Are you on crack? There's no connection whatsoever to the Canaanites. Totally different ethnic groups let along cultures. And again, we're talking the name o

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Palestine is a variant of Philistine...it's the ancient Greek name for > Philistines: But I already told you it's a Hebrew word for invaders. If you look to see where the Greeks got the word from you'd know that. > In the 5th century BCE

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
seoffusion.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:48 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East > > > It's what you say to someone who supports Israel to delegitimize them > in arguments. "Of course you're arguing for Israel, you&

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Sorry, but the logic fails when confronted by historic fact. Again, show me documented locations where the Arab population of the area were referred to as Palestinian before the mid 1900's. > IF a place is called Palestine, then the people would be called > Palestinians > (even the Jews called th

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
ch 25, 2010 9:35 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East > > > United Nations Middle East envoy Robert Serry, who met with President > Shimon Peres in Jerusalem on Wednesday, said, "There is no > humanitarian problem in Gaza." > >

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
LOL -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East Well he should have put it in the bible then, I mean why wait until 1890 to create a god given right? On Thu, Mar

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
moral policies. Eric -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:48 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East It's what you say to someone who supports Israel to delegitimize them in arguments.

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
sday, March 25, 2010 9:41 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East > > > So you're saying that the Arabs of today using the name Palestinian > are actually the Philistines of ages ago? That's the only people who > used anything near the

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
t's pretty simple logic. Eric -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:45 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East No it doesn't. yes it does. no it doesn't. yes it does

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
turn until he says so. > > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:33 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East > > > Do you even know what Zionism means? >

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
Well he should have put it in the bible then, I mean why wait until 1890 to create a god given right? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Yes...the belief that an Israeli homeland is a god given right.  Even large > groups of Jews disagree with it.  Most people consider it

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
rsday, March 25, 2010 9:41 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East So you're saying that the Arabs of today using the name Palestinian are actually the Philistines of ages ago? That's the only people who used anything near the name till the mid 1900's. On 3

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
That's a real non-biased source. That looks like the Israeli version of Fox News. -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:35 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East United Na

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
that they cannot return until he says so. Eric -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:33 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East Do you even know what Zionism means? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Eric

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
Ah, because I thought the word had no meaning after 1948. I bet he'll use neo-con next. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > It's what you say to someone who supports Israel to delegitimize them > in arguments. "Of course you're arguing for Israel, you're a zionist". >

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
It's what you say to someone who supports Israel to delegitimize them in arguments. "Of course you're arguing for Israel, you're a zionist". It's used by people in a way that people use nigger, kike, whop, chink. Doesn't matter what it used to mean but how it is used. I can't say anything good ab

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
o: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East > > > For the land, never for any people. The use of Palestinian to refer to > Arabs of the area began in the mid 1900's. > > On 3/25/10, Eric Roberts wr

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
So you're saying that the Arabs of today using the name Palestinian are actually the Philistines of ages ago? That's the only people who used anything near the name till the mid 1900's. On 3/25/10, Eric Roberts wrote: > > What I posted begs to differ... ~

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
You said it, not me. I never implied it in the least. I've already debunked the whole humanitarian crisis thing in another thread and if anyone is treating the people in Gaza as less than human, it's their fellow Palestinians. If innocent civilians are made to suffer by their terrorist 'government

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
United Nations Middle East envoy Robert Serry, who met with President Shimon Peres in Jerusalem on Wednesday, said, “There is no humanitarian problem in Gaza.” http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/136180 That was last month. Again, if you did the basic research you would see that the

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
Do you even know what Zionism means? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Sounds pretty Zionist... > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
The historical record says otherwise. -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:24 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East For the land, never for any people. The use of Palestinian to

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
Sounds pretty Zionist... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:17 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East I don't know who this guy is but it's in line with what I've read over t

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
For the land, never for any people. The use of Palestinian to refer to Arabs of the area began in the mid 1900's. On 3/25/10, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Palestine has been used since the Romans were there... ~| Want to reach the C

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Again, no it is not. The agreement specifically excluded Jerusalem and if America is going back on its agreement... But I said this before and you seem to have missed it. On 3/25/10, Eric Roberts wrote: > > It's a violation of the agreements to build no new settlements.

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
I don't know who this guy is but it's in line with what I've read over the years: http://www.rosenblit.com/Palestine.htm Actually, if you read the entire wiki post you'll realize it agrees with my comments On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > What I posted begs to differ...

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:48 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East While Palestine in some form or another was sometimes used to refer to the land it

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
What I posted begs to differ... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:48 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East While Palestine in some form or another was sometimes used to refer to the land it never

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Sam
While Palestine in some form or another was sometimes used to refer to the land it never represented a nation, ever. There was never a country called Palestine. The name came from the Romans mocking the Jews by naming it after their old enemy the Philistines. Yet it was not actually used to repres

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Vivec
None of this Matters. God has decreed it be so. Those people in Gaza are less than human. This has nothing to do with logic. On 25 March 2010 09:14, Eric Roberts wrote: > > It also doesn't matter who else is building walls. Just because someone > else is doing it doesn't mean it is right for Is

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
...the rest of the world definitely disagrees. -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:52 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East The name Palestinians was not used to identify the A

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
Palestine has been used since the Romans were there... -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:52 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East The name Palestinians was not used to identify

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Roberts
It's a violation of the agreements to build no new settlements. -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:07 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East Palestinian side? You mean the

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The name Palestinians was not used to identify the Arab population of the area until recently. If you want to say that Arabs lived there, go ahead. But they did not have a country any more than the Jews did. The British ruled there, the Turks, the Caliphate, the Crusaders, Greece, Rome, etc. We're

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Eric Roberts
fusion.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:56 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East Do we have to do this again. I guess we do. Balfour declaration, league of nations, UN partition plan, Israel. There is a history here. Why does Israel have any less right to

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:58 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East > > > Again, when. There have been no settlement expansions in years. If > you're going to make an inflammatory statement, back it up. And no, > Jerusa

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Eric Roberts
power drunk on the Middle East Again, when. There have been no settlement expansions in years. If you're going to make an inflammatory statement, back it up. And no, Jerusalem is not a settlement. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > No...Netanyahu created it by ex

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Again, when. There have been no settlement expansions in years. If you're going to make an inflammatory statement, back it up. And no, Jerusalem is not a settlement. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > No...Netanyahu created it by expanding the settlements.  Let's give cre

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
that pretty clear. He made it pretty clear that he and > his fellow neo-fascists have no intention of complying with international > agreements. They have no intention of allowing a Palestinian state. > > > > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Sam
They're all extreme lefties that called the Jews the terrorists and wanted the world to look away while the powers of the region sorted the problem out. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I don’t know who any of them are...as you can see, my name is Eric Roberts. > I think

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Eric Roberts
No...Netanyahu created it by expanding the settlements. Let's give credit where credit is due. Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:40 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East O

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Eric Roberts
-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East Dana, Gruss and Larry have all made the same arguments as you. I see a pattern. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Problem is that most people here in the states support Israel because it > fits in

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Eric Roberts
s. They have no intention of allowing a Palestinian state. Eric -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:29 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East 1. Jews have been in Israel and Jerus

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Hillery says a lot of things. Doesn't make them true. She just said that Hamas was the ones who named a square after the terrorist responsible for the worst attack in Israel's history. She knows for a fact that it was the PA. She just didn't want to say it. Truth? politics? What do they have to do

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Sam
Didn't Hillary just say "Israels survival could be in jeopardy unless it reaches a peace deal with Palestinians?" On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Eric Roberts  wrote: >> >> I don’t support Israel because I think they are no different than

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Robert Munn
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I don’t support Israel because I think they are no different than Hamas > other then they use their military to terrorize people.  We need to cut off > support completely, especially after this most recent incident where they > essential to

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Robert Munn
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Judah Mc wrote: > > Uh, by this same logic we would not have lost over $8 billion dollars > in *cash* in Iraq. And, well, we did. Come on, man, we didn't lose it. Someone stole it! ~| Want to re

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
1. Jews have been in Israel and Jerusalem specifically for all of those years. We're not some new element that never existed there. Passover starts next week and it ends with a single sentence. A sentence said for generations by millions of Jews. Next your in Jerusalem. NO other people on earth sa

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Sam
Dana, Gruss and Larry have all made the same arguments as you. I see a pattern. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Problem is that most people here in the states support Israel because it > fits in with the Christian end times scenario.  If Israel does not occupy > Jerusal

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > With the amount of people with an irrational hatred for Jews and > Israel out there, do you think that the program is not heavily > watched? No, that's not a persecution complex. Like I said, the aid is > a lightning rod. > Uh, by thi

RE: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Eric Roberts
chael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:58 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East With the amount of people with an irrational hatred for Jews and Israel out there, do you think that the program is not heavily watche

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
"Even after the Cold War, Israel continues to be a vital American strategic partner. In 2007, the U.S. ambassador to Israel revealed that Israeli technology was being used by the U.S. armed forces in Iraq to protect them from Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) that were responsible for most U.S.

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
With the amount of people with an irrational hatred for Jews and Israel out there, do you think that the program is not heavily watched? No, that's not a persecution complex. Like I said, the aid is a lightning rod. But you're right, of the 2.7 billion (for 2010) that is given to Israel in the fo

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread G Money
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Do you really think that a single cent is not accounted for? > Yes, actually. well, it's accounted for in that SOMEONE knows what it's actually being spent on -- We're riding out tonight To case th

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Maureen
There is not a government program in existence for which "every single cent" is accounted for, and even IF that were the case here, US funding of any part of the Israeli budget frees up money to fund research. Frankly, I don't care if the US gives money to Israel, I just find it a specious argume

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Dinowitz
We're not talking actual money here. It's not as if America is delivering a crate of bills. We're talking 'credit'. Public credit. Credit linked to an aid package that is ALWAYS used as a point against Israel whenever the topic comes up in almost every location. Even here, every time Israel is tal

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-24 Thread G Money
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > From the aid package? none. The aid is specific in what it allows and > 'fuzzy' things like research is not part of it. > Research deals are a totally different thing and most of those > research deals are

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
>From the aid package? none. The aid is specific in what it allows and 'fuzzy' things like research is not part of it. Research deals are a totally different thing and most of those research deals are military in nature, at least those with the US government. -- Michael Dinowitz On Wed, Mar 2

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread Maureen
And how much of that tech research was paid for with US aid to Israel? On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > I wonder how many of the technologies we take for granted came from > Israel, specifically internet based technologies (you would be > surprised). I wonder how much

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Well, we're tied to oil so we're not really free to do a lot. But even with that, we can have a positive effect. We have to move slowly, carefully, forcefully and fairly. We have to know when to be loud, when to be soft, and when to be quiet. We have to remember that everyone in the region is look

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread G Money
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Not many people do know how and why the aid is distributed. Not all of > our aid to Egypt is tied in such a way, just about 2 billion worth is. > > The biggest problem I have with Obama is that the Middle

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Not many people do know how and why the aid is distributed. Not all of our aid to Egypt is tied in such a way, just about 2 billion worth is. The biggest problem I have with Obama is that the Middle East is a huge web where a pull on one string will tug another and another. Tug aid to Israel and

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread G Money
Yeah, Egypt is definitely vital. I was unaware that US aid to Egypt was tied to the peace treaty with Israel. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > They don't need us, but we need them. Mike is right, we can't lose > Egypt or there goes the Middle East. > > On Tue, Mar 23,

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread Robert Munn
They don't need us, but we need them. Mike is right, we can't lose Egypt or there goes the Middle East. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:00 AM, G Money wrote: > > I dunno...if we want to support Israel for the simple humanitarian reason > that they are in a hostile area, and we feel that every people s

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread G Money
I dunno...if we want to support Israel for the simple humanitarian reason that they are in a hostile area, and we feel that every people should have a right to live in peace in their own home country...then i'm cool with that. But according to Mike, they don't need us for securityso unless th

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The aid that has to be spent in America? The aid that is limited to military equipment and is used mostly on fuel, ammunition, and the like? One of the links I provided to Maureen discussed this in more detail. The aid (about 3 billion) was part of the peace treaty with Egypt and I'm all for kill

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
What I do not understand about that they give us more etc., is that it ignores the multi billions in aid every year from the US. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:06 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Michael Dinowitz < > mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > >> >> Sounds good to me

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I wonder how many of the technologies we take for granted came from Israel, specifically internet based technologies (you would be surprised). I wonder how much military tech that we use comes from Israel. Advanced weapons, armor, anti-rocket defense systems, drones. And medical. And green. And an

Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
They didn't even start construction. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Vivec wrote: > > So they did NOT stop the construction. > > On 23 March 2010 11:03, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > >> >> And yes, there has been moves behind the scenes to stop it. ~~~

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