RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-11 Thread Pat O
. It's as simple as that. Adam. -Original Message- From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:33 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel I am a non-religious fanatic and I assure you that most of israel

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-11 Thread Pat O
Well isnt there anyone on this list you can double check that with ? it would be interesting to see in an open form what an arab or better a Palestinian think about all this... Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I truly wish there were more like him. Michael Dinowitz wrote: Michael

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-11 Thread Beth F
Mo? Where are you mo? - Original Message - From: Pat O [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Well isnt there anyone on this list you can double check that with ? it would

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-11 Thread Pat O
I think you are missing the point or i explained myself wrong.. I think there is a difference between being a jew and practicing Judaism, there are probably half of every religion out there who belong to that religion but do not necessary pray five time a day or eat kosher or go to church at

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-11 Thread Beth F
I think you are missing the point or i explained myself wrong.. I think there is a difference between being a jew and practicing Judaism, there are probably half of every religion out there who belong to that religion but do not necessary pray five time a day or eat kosher or go to church at

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-10 Thread Beth F
PM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Me three. Hey, Beth, we should move to Israel and show them how to live in peace! Judith - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-10 Thread Pat O
Yes the Palestinians and Jews did live in ISrael in peace till the 80s, and yes, the first intifada did start after a millitary truck ran over some Palestinians The mistake is when those riots started and the Palestinians started dreaming of a homeland in the 80s, Israel should of from day

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread BethF in AK
Thank you judith. Thats what i meant!! - Original Message - From: Judith Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel She said Israel provides sanctuary

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Jochem van Dieten
BethF in AK wrote: Thank you judith. Thats what i meant!! It is even what you said :) I just misread it. Jochem __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Harkins,Patrick
.. maybe the children know something you do not? I think your statement says more about you than it does anything else... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:13 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Ross
sides in argument over whose religion is right. It's as simple as that. Adam. -Original Message- From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:33 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel I

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
you do not? I think your statement says more about you than it does anything else... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:13 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Michael Dinowitz wrote: You are aware that your comparing events of 3000 years ago with events of today. Be that as it may, it falls under a very simple formula: The Torah is true, God gave the land of Israel to the Jews and that's that The Torah is false, God didn't give the land or does not

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
Israel is created and based on a religous belief, Israel is the promised Jewish State, Not exactly, although I already explained this once. The creation of israel is also based on historical fact. Jews come from Israel. Jews are persecuted around the world. The holocaust happened, for

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
What ?.u r kidding i hopeso Israel the promised land for the Jews, is all about cultural significance ? how can u believe that Israel and Judaism are not related...Israel is born and grown on the Jewish faith.. You are misinformed.

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
At 02:26 PM 10/8/02, Beth wrote: How is that different from god told me to strap on bombs and get on that bus? One is violent and one isnt'. Driving the extant tribes out of the land wasn't violent. And the walls of Jericho just fell softly down? That wasnt' the question,

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
I wuv you, Gel ;-) - Original Message - From: Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel :) I wike you Beth :) -Gel -Original Message

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Yes a lot of Jews who moved to Israel are not converting, mostly the Russian Jews, and that is still a case in the courts, since if they are not Jewish or do not convert , they in my opinion should not be allowed to stay in Israel. Converting? WTF are you talking about? Anyone with a

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
- Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Beth F wrote: How is that different from god told me to strap on bombs and get

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
As do I. I know you do Michael. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
I wonder why it was then decided not to put a separation between religion and state in the constitution. For instance, isn't it true that if you attend the right religious schools you are excempt from military service? I wil venture a guess, but its just a guess: in 1948 the secular movement

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
My mother was once asked how could she be a moral person without god. My mom said If fear of God is why you are moral, they you aren't moral, just scared can't you be both? Of course you can. But its offensive to assume that one CANNOT be moral without G-d.

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Michael Dinowitz wrote: Michael Dinowitz wrote: Well, the only solution that will make the Arabs happy is the removal of Israel. I am sure that if I ask my friend (an Arab from Jordania studying here) what would make him happy the answer would not be the removal of Israel. Please do ask him.

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
Fuzzy wuzzy wubby woowoo gaga blech! -Original Message- From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:04 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel I wuv you, Gel ;-) - Original Message - From: Angel

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Of course you can. But its offensive to assume that one CANNOT be moral without G-d. Never said one can't be moral without God. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I truly wish there were more like him. Michael Dinowitz wrote: Michael Dinowitz wrote: Well, the only solution that will make the Arabs happy is the removal of Israel. I am sure that if I ask my friend (an Arab from Jordania studying here) what would make him happy the answer would

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
No, but it helps. :) Again, the point is moot. If the Arabs would just let us live in peace then there would be no problems. Because they wouldn't, there's problems. It's really that simple. Michael Dinowitz wrote: You are aware that your comparing events of 3000 years ago with events of

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Judith Dinowitz
experiences, even if what they look to is their scriptures, or their religious leaders. Judith - Original Message - From: Michael Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel I

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Message - From: Harkins,Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel .. maybe the children know something you do not? I think your statement says more about you than it does

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Judith Dinowitz
What would you support it with? Judith - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Michael Dinowitz wrote: You are aware

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Judith Dinowitz
You're welcome. You see, we have more in common than you'd think. Judith - Original Message - From: BethF in AK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Thank you

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Judith Dinowitz
PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:33 AM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Where did i say Judaism and Israel arent' related? Nowhere. I said that Judaism is more than a religion. I want to point out that very orthodox

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
, October 09, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel No, but it helps. :) Again, the point is moot. If the Arabs would just let us live in peace then there would be no problems. Because they wouldn't, there's problems. It's really that simple

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
of me with a bumper sticker God Listens. ARGGH! Just my experiences with the man. :) -Original Message- From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:05 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Because he

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
You're welcome. You see, we have more in common than you'd think. We actually do. __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community.

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
My Palestinian friend said the same thing about Jews. The palestinians and jews pretty much DID live in peace during the 80's until the intifada. Then there was an accident in which an israeli army truck ran over some palestinians, certainly a terrible sad thing. For some reason

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
something else. -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel No, but it helps. :) Again, the point is moot. If the Arabs would just let

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Marlon Moyer
Phoeun Pha wrote: But he's always there, whether I like it or not. Yesterday I was feeling down about my problems while I was driving home, and there was a car in front of me with a bumper sticker God Listens. Funny, on my way home, a bumper sticker in front of me said 'Jesus Loves

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Judith Dinowitz
I don't hate anyone, Phoeun. Judith - Original Message - From: Phoeun Pha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel My Palestinian friend said the same thing about Jews

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Harkins,Patrick
Amen! -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:27 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel My Palestinian friend said the same thing about Jews. I think alot of people want

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
Then i wasn't talking about you :) hehe -Original Message- From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:23 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel I don't hate anyone, Phoeun. Judith - Original

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-09 Thread Pat O
each other for the same reason the other dislike us. Damn politicians want something else. -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Deanna, your timeline starts in the 1800s and totally misses the Jewish claim to the land of Israel. That claim starts much earlier, and that's where your history should start. Israel was never part of Syria -- the Arabs considered it part of greater Syria. Let's look at the facts. There's

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Judith Dinowitz wrote: The Jews are the only people on Earth who hold Israel as their primary land and Jerusalem as their holy city. How about the people of Micronesia? :) If any of this history is neglected in a cliff note version, then the cliff note version is simply not doing its j

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Chris Norloff
-- Original Message -- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Judith Dinowitz) In all the history of Israel, the only time that every holy site was available to everybody was when the Jews were running it. When the Christians were running Israel, the Jews weren't

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Jerry Johnson
But Judith, That breathing-down-the-neck thing is France's way of saying they like you. They think it's sexy. Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/02 03:30AM snip If a Jew even broke a window in a mosque, you'd have France, the European Union and everyone else breathing down Israel's

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
To Christian pilgrims, yes. To Jews, no. -- Original Message -- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Judith Dinowitz) In all the history of Israel, the only time that every holy site was available to everybody was when the Jews were running it. When the Christians

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Judith Dinowitz wrote: The Jews are the only people on Earth who hold Israel as their primary land and Jerusalem as their holy city. How about the people of Micronesia? :) They hold Israel to be their land and Jewusalem to be their holy city? If any of this history is neglected in a cliff

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
A vulture does the same thing. I don't think it's sexy from either. And to be truthful, I think that they've both got the same thing on their mind. (Yes, my opinion of the French is down their with the UN and toe jam) But Judith, That breathing-down-the-neck thing is France's way of saying

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
would you fix the situation Mike? Just wondering what you'd do. Adam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:21 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel A vulture

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Michael Dinowitz wrote: RFC 2822 says lines can only be 1000 characters and SHOULD only be 80 charcaters. This is what happens if you don't adhere to it. Maybe you can reconfigure your email client and try again? Hm. I see the whole email without any cut-off. Same in the archives. Maybe its

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta
Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:39 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Kevin Graeme
Let's look at the facts. There's been a Jewish presence in Israel since Biblical times. And how did the Jewish people get Isreal in the bilical texts? Wasn't it by grabbing it from the Philistines: -Jews trek through desert. -Find their promised land already taken. -Kick out the mean old

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Frankly, as a religious fanatic, I am highly insulted. Judith - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel The conflict is never going

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Conflict 101: The history of Israel Let's look at the facts. There's been a Jewish presence in Israel since Biblical times. And how did the Jewish people get Isreal in the bilical texts? Wasn't it by grabbing it from the Philistines: -Jews trek through desert. -Find their promised land

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Beth F
: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Frankly, as a religious fanatic, I am highly insulted. Judith - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
, October 08, 2002 11:39 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Well, the only solution that will make the Arabs happy is the removal of Israel. As that is not going to happen, the solution has to be acceptance. The Arab world has to read

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Kevin Graeme
-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Our answer, that God said, Hey, I'm giving it to you, is one that we'll support, but not one that you'll accept. Judith - Original Message - From: Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Let's look at the facts. There's been a Jewish presence in Israel since Biblical times. And how did the Jewish people get Isreal in the bilical texts? Wasn't it by grabbing it from the Philistines: Cannanites. Philistines came later. -Jews trek through desert. -Find their promised land

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Our answer, that God said, Hey, I'm giving it to you, is one that we'll support, but not one that you'll accept. Judith - Original Message - From: Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Beth F
How is that different from god told me to strap on bombs and get on that bus? One is violent and one isnt'. __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community.

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Cantrell, Adam
as simple as that. Adam. -Original Message- From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:33 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel I am a non-religious fanatic and I assure you that most of israel is NON

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Angel Stewart
Hey ...ya know..umm.. What if the Bible was just a fairy tale? Sort of a really really old equivalent of Lord Of The Rings? What would that mean for the current conflictHypothetically speaking? -Gel -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Good

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
, October 08, 2002 12:33 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel I am a non-religious fanatic and I assure you that most of israel is NON religious. Entirely non-religious folks. I am insulted too. - Original Message - From

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
It means that everything from the existence of the Jews (with all the biological evidence of our connectedness) to Christianity to Islam itself to the constitution of most governments have no basis at all. It means that everything that we've built up in civilization is based on delusions and that

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Phoeun Pha
Who cares we all came from Noah :-P -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:17 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Good question. Unfortunately, the only thing that Muslims can

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
But it's not. Judith - Original Message - From: Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Hey ...ya know..umm.. What if the Bible was just a fairy tale

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
as someone much more familiar with Israel than you are. Judith - Original Message - From: Cantrell, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel How can you say Israel

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Oops, I meant most Israelis are non-religious. Sorry. Judith - Original Message - From: Judith Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Adam, most Israelis

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel How is that different from god told me to strap on bombs and get on that bus? I'm not taking sides in this, I just honestly can't see the difference. Kevin Graeme Our answer, that God said, Hey, I'm giving it to you, is one that we'll support

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Oops, I meant most Israelis are non-religious. Sorry. This happens to be the part of Israel's existence that I despise. People live there or go there and because its Israel, there's no need to keep up the religious traditions that have sustained us for generations. Israel is enough. It goes so

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Marlon Moyer
-Jews trek through desert. -Find their promised land already taken. -Kick out the mean old squatters. Didn't it go something like that? Well, except for the commandment from God to do it, yes. I guess that means that the land belongs to the cannanites. Of course, there are none alive

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Phoeun Pha
Get it straight. FOr Mikey, it's TORAH, not BIBLE :) -Original Message- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:39 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Hey ...ya know..umm.. What if the Bible

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Marlon Moyer
What do you mean 'what if' :) Angel Stewart wrote: Hey ...ya know..umm.. What if the Bible was just a fairy tale? Sort of a really really old equivalent of Lord Of The Rings? What would that mean for the current conflictHypothetically speaking? -Gel -Original Message- From:

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Beth F
How can you say Israel is mostly non-religious? Because it is mostly non-religious. One only has to visit the official Israeli government website to tell how non-religious Israel is. http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/home.asp I see nothing on this page that indicates a great emphasis on religion

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Sorry, but that's not what it says in the Koran. What your probably are referring to is the historical mention in the Korah where Mohammed makes a peace treaty with the Jews in a city, waits to become stronger and them comes back to massacre them. I guess you can stretch it by saying that any

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Beth F
- Original Message - From: Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Hey ...ya know..umm.. What if the Bible was just a fairy tale? Sort of a really really

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Where do you see this as a commandment in the Koran? I've never heard of this. Judith - Original Message - From: Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Marlon Moyer
Michael Dinowitz wrote: It means that everything from the existence of the Jews (with all the biological evidence of our connectedness) to Christianity to Islam itself to the constitution of most governments have no basis at all. It means that everything that we've built up in civilization

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Thank you, Beth. You said it well. Judith - Original Message - From: Beth F [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel This is a holy war. It's two sides in argument

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Matt Liotta
://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:47 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel It means that everything from the existence of the Jews (with all

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Cantrell, Adam
]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:02 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Adam, most Israelis are not non-religious. Which is why there's so much division in Israel, so much strife between the religious and the non-religious. In fact, many

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Harkins,Patrick
that right dresses itself up in secular or religious clothes. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:45 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Yes, the entire basis

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Maybe for someone who actually believes in the religions mentioned, there would be no purpose without them. The rest of us will be thrilled to have many wars end as people won't

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
are non-religious, then where exactly does the democracy part come in? Adam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:02 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Adam, most

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
It means that there is a goal to existence that is greater than us and connects us (sounds like the force). If there is a God and he has a plan then there's a reason for everything no matter how insane the event has been. If there is no God then there is no reason for anything at all. Nothing to

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:47 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel It means that everything from the existence of the Jews (with all

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Ross
Message- From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:33 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel I am a non-religious fanatic and I assure you that most of israel is NON religious. Entirely non-religious

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Beth F
- Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Oops, I meant most Israelis are non-religious. Sorry. This happens to be the part

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Phoeun Pha
Subject: RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel How is that different from god told me to strap on bombs and get on that bus? I'm not taking sides in this, I just honestly can't see the difference. Kevin Graeme Our answer, that God said, Hey, I'm giving it to you, is one

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Harkins,Patrick
! regards, Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:47 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel It means that everything from the existence of the Jews (with all

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Michael Dinowitz wrote: It means that everything from the existence of the Jews (with all the biological evidence of our connectedness) to Christianity to Islam itself to the constitution of most governments have no basis at all. It means that everything that we've built up in civilization is

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
As do I. I find the hatred between the orthodox and secular groups in Israel revolting. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives:

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Beth F wrote: How is that different from god told me to strap on bombs and get on that bus? One is violent and one isnt'. You're right. I'm sure the Canaanites all got a very nice relocation bonus. Jochem __ Your ad could

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Phoeun Pha
Mikey, or worse, SCIENTOLOGY! -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Oops, I meant most Israelis are non-religious. Sorry

RE: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Phoeun Pha
AHAHAHHAHHA -Original Message- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:19 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel What do you mean 'what if' :) Angel Stewart wrote: Hey ...ya know..umm.. What

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
don't know how to make it any clearer. Judith - Original Message - From: Pat O [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Israel is created and based on a religous belief, Israel

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:47 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel It means that everything from the existence of the Jews (with all the biological evidence of our connectedness) to Christianity

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
or shoot up cars. Judith - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Beth F wrote: How is that different from god told me to strap

Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel Oops, I meant most Israelis are non-religious. Sorry. This happens to be the part of Israel's existence that I despise. People live there or go there and because its Israel, there's no need to keep up the religious traditions

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