Saying unions are bad is like saying government is bad. It ignores
the underlying problem for the sake of an easy answer.
Seems like a cop-out to me.
:Den
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should be deemed as their most serious actions.
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On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 1:28 AM, denstar wrote:
>> Dilbert is a funny cartoon.
>>
>> Probably funnier to some than to others.
>
> Very. And illustrated many points about Corporate America very well.
Based on a true story... ;-)
:den
, August 20, 2010 1:15 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Workplace bullying or mobbing
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:05 PM, trish simon wrote:
> Why so much hate for unions? They serve a useful purpose, a bit
> radical and political at timesbut very useful.
Is this addressed to me? I couldn&
fter they talked to the DOL, I got a check for the
wages owed to me.
Eric
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From: Erika L. Rich [mailto:elr...@ruwebby.com]
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:05 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Workplace bullying or mobbing
Do you know how many states are "at will&qu
Only to you my dear ... only to you :) xoxox
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Scott Raley wrote:
>
> No you're not but I'm wondering if you are a bully???
>
>
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The people I worked with were all full time Federal employees.
What you're repeating is just some propaganda. If you look at the
productivity stats put out by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, you will
see that the productivity of the average Fed is about the same as
someone in the private sector d
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 1:27 AM, denstar wrote:
> How many large organizations have you worked for? Full time, of course. ;)
2
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On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 1:28 AM, denstar wrote:
> Dilbert is a funny cartoon.
>
> Probably funnier to some than to others.
Very. And illustrated many points about Corporate America very well.
-Cameron
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No you're not but I'm wondering if you are a bully???
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From: Erika L. Rich [mailto:elr...@ruwebby.com]
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:42 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Workplace bullying or mobbing
I'm not a lawyer. Nor am I a politician. Or a co
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
...
> It's interesting to watch Mad Men episodes and see the men chasing
> women around the office. Totally unacceptable today, and it should
> be. But I wonder how far we go to protect people? If I ask someone
> to stay late and work o
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> I suspect you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I quit the
> corporate world because I hated it. In my experience there are alot
> of corporate people who are just really bad at their jobs. They might
> meet someone's checklist
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Eric Roberts wrote:
>
> Yes and no...HR is there for the company by ensuring that the rules are
> followed in regards to how the employees are treated. So in doing so, they
> are also looking out for the employees.
Maybe in a small business, with 50 - 100 employe
As bad a rap as they have, and as many I've seen and dealt with that are
sh*t, it's too bad that's what I would do first in a bad situation as well,
speak to a lawyer. They can be scum sucking sharks for good reason. :)
But it definitely helps if you are friends or have em in the family -
because
I'm jumping in late ;-).
If I were a member of a union, I would definitely go to the union
first. If you have a weapon, use it - that's what I learned in the
corporate world. Especially if you are dealing with sh!t-heads who
have influence over your career. Having said that, I'm not one to join
a
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> I spent the last 9 months working as a contractor in DC. Not once did
> I see this in the agency where I was working. I've talked with others
> who have noted the same thing.
See, *thar's* your problem. You need to be a full timer to full
Really?
I spent the last 9 months working as a contractor in DC. Not once did
I see this in the agency where I was working. I've talked with others
who have noted the same thing.
I really wish this piece of well fermented trip would die. Its simply a lie.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Camero
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> That particular bit I agree with you on. I think it's over the top and not
> exactly conducive.
>
> But again. Let's pick one piece and ignore the rest.
>
>
>
> Do you at all get our points here? If you don't why don't you move on?
Because
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, trish simon wrote:
> "...you can sit at your desk all day playing on facebook, browsing
> flickr, replying to cf-community"
>
> Cameron:
>
> How can I get your old job? Really!!
>
> When I worked in the corporate sector it was nothing like that!
The easiest p
is is a little depressing. :( Sorry.
>
> Came across this Facebook page after doing a bit of research on the topic of
> "workplace mobbing":
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bellingham-WA/Healthy-Workplace-Bill/338636856649
>
> Seems over 37% of the American Workforce are
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> The US Government has come up with plans for other ridiculous stupid crap
I have little faith in the Federal Govt making anything they are
involved in better, but that's a personal viewpoint. In fact it's
virtually impossible to get fired
"...you can sit at your desk all day playing on facebook, browsing
flickr, replying to cf-community"
Cameron:
How can I get your old job? Really!!
When I worked in the corporate sector it was nothing like that!
On 8/20/10, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> When it turns someone suicidal after de
That particular bit I agree with you on. I think it's over the top and not
exactly conducive.
But again. Let's pick one piece and ignore the rest.
Do you at all get our points here? If you don't why don't you move on?
:P
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Fri,
When it turns someone suicidal after decades on the job, giving 100% of
themselves, and it's proven company wide that they are trying to push out
the old timers and make them quit ... then YEAH. There should be some sort
of legislation or bill in place to prevent it.
When it sends them into thera
Certainly, your mileage may vary...
-Cameron
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> Only according to you. Yes.
>
> In some cases, and it's proven by other coworkers, HR is NOT the first place
> to go.
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>> So in my op
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> Here's some good reads:
>
> http://www.workplacebullying.org/targets/solution/three-step-method.html
I am curious about this article, which states that when bullied, you
should take a few days off, gather your forces, then attack and try to
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> You're taking a serious subject and saying "ahh BS. People need to ball up
> and move on."
Sometimes, this is totally true.
> In MY opinion. :)
>
> Change it.
I also see situations where people get picked on at work. I have seen
the bull
"...can be fired for any reason..."
That is why the federal EEOC is overwhelmed with complaints. The first
union rep told me to file a complaint with EEOC, as leverage...
It's a sad situation, but it's also important to stand up to these
workplace bullies...just we would tell our kids.
On 8/2
I suspect you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I quit the
corporate world because I hated it. In my experience there are alot
of corporate people who are just really bad at their jobs. They might
meet someone's checklist of qualifications, but they were only highly
skilled at being excepti
If this was all about promotions, I would have titled it different. You keep
picking at one spot for some reason. *THAT* I do not understand.
I think I know the difference between deserving and not deserving. I don't
need to be told that, and this thread isn't about that.
You're taking a serious
Here's some good reads:
http://www.workplacebullying.org/targets/solution/three-step-method.html
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/myths.htm
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Only according to you. Yes.
In some cases, and it's proven by other coworkers, HR is NOT the first place
to go.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> So in my opinion you did things exactly in the right
> order.
>
~~~
You still don't get it.
I know you are intelligent. Not sure why you are toeing this corporate line
you got going.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> Qualifying for a promotion and deserving the promotion are two
> different things. Many corporate environments I h
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:05 PM, trish simon wrote:
> Why so much hate for unions? They serve a useful purpose, a bit
> radical and political at timesbut very useful.
Is this addressed to me? I couldn't tell.
I think that we agree one this - they do server a useful purpose at
times, and a
I'm glad you did both. Your experience is almost exactly what happened to
several people I know, in one way or another.
I know not everyone likes to read, but the links I sent - are priceless.
When you have a bit of time, I would at least read this one:
http://www.mediate.com/articles/davenport.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> Of COURSE there's people who "think" they are being mobbed or bullied who
> actually arent - but there's people on welfare that don't need it either,
> yet they get it.
>
> This is however a VERY real issue.
I agree that it exists.
> It ca
That is fantastic Hatton ... that's what I was hoping for.
Since our lives center around working ... and it makes up the majority of
our existence ... making sure that part of our psyche and soul is nurtured,
has to be very very important.
I hope they take it to heart. Those websites had a lot o
Do you know how many states are "at will" states?
Means that you can be fired for any reason whatsoever.
Know how many people have complained to an HR department, and then
subsequently been fired not too long afterward? Even WITH "whistleblower"
laws in effect?
The number would astound us I ass
Why so much hate for unions? They serve a useful purpose, a bit
radical and political at timesbut very useful.
On 8/20/10, trish simon wrote:
> I went to human resources when I returned from sick leave, when the
> first sign of a problem began. I knew the director of H.R. from a
> previous
Sounds like you did everything you could before going to the union...
I just wasn't clear on that from your initial posting.
It's rough out there sometimes - glad you finally found resolution!
-Cameron
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:52 AM, trish simon wrote:
>
> I went to human resources when I re
Wish it always worked that way.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Yes and no...HR is there for the company by ensuring that the rules are
> followed in regards to how the employees are treated. So in doing so, they
> are also looking ou
I'm only talking about people that have actually been affected by this.
Of course in any situation ANYWHERE for ANY subject, there are differences
of opinion...
Of COURSE there's people who "think" they are being mobbed or bullied who
actually arent - but there's people on welfare that don't need
ROFLMAO!! LOL!!! /me wipes tears from eyes
Seriously though. I wish that were the case in every company. But guess
what. HR dept's work for the company. And in ACTUALITY - most BIG
corporations have corrupt HR departments.
I wish I were a millionaire right now. Because I'd give
I went to human resources when I returned from sick leave, when the
first sign of a problem began. I knew the director of H.R. from a
previous job, and I approached her as a friend. She knew my record was
impeccable, but she also agreed that seeking another job was a good
idea, at least out of my
> Came across this Facebook page after doing a bit of research on the topic of
> "workplace mobbing":
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bellingham-WA/Healthy-Workplace-Bill/338636856649
>
> Seems over 37% of the American Workforce are subjected to "workplace
>
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Jacob wrote:
> HR is there for the company, not the employee.
If you come to HR and tell them someone is harassing you, and they do
nothing about it, you can sue the crap out of the company. They may
be employed by the company, but they are not strictly there o
> HR is there for the company, not the employee.
Technically true, however HR is there to make sure the company follows
the rules as well. These include things like FMLA, Worker's Comp,
Unemployment, coaching, warnings and termination.
Until Later!
C. Hatton Humphrey
http://www.eastcoastconserv
ployee.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 7:04 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Workplace bullying or mobbing
>
>
> Out of curiosity, did you contact the HR department of your company?
> T
HR is there for the company, not the employee.
-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 7:04 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Workplace bullying or mobbing
Out of curiosity, did you contact the HR department of your company
For each item on this list I can recall an example of someone at a
workplace who thought this was happening to them but they were flat
out wrong. They wanted credit for something they didn't really
contribute to. The thought they were owed a promotion due to
seniority when in fact they were inco
Out of curiosity, did you contact the HR department of your company?
This isn't mentioned at all in your post so it's unclear if you
attempted to do so. Unions are not the first line of defense for this
sort of thing and neither is quitting your job. Contacting HR would
be my first step.
Alot o
> Sorry Trish, according to the peeps on this list, the unions are all evil
> organizations
> bent on destroying free market capitalism. Please rephrase your story to
> comply
> with this view. ;)
Ready for a double-take Zaps? You're not *entirely* correct with your
generalization.
When doin
Sorry Trish, according to the peeps on this list, the unions are all evil
organizations bent on destroying free market capitalism. Please rephrase your
story to comply with this view. ;)
On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:23 PM, trish simon wrote:
>
>
> After 11 years of employment at this place I nev
This is very real! I went through a horrible abusive situation with my
supervisor last year.
Under normal circumstances I would have quit and took another job. However,
I was recovering from surgery (likely the reason for the harassment), and in
this job market finding another job in my situatio
ing":
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bellingham-WA/Healthy-Workplace-Bill/338636856649
Seems over 37% of the American Workforce are subjected to "workplace
bullying or mobbing" which includes:
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Mental Harassment
Yelling
Put downs
Demotions for no reason
Write-ups for no reason
No cred
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