Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread James Holmes
Anyone who wants to fix the problem of distracted programmers in the office should try Pair Programming. http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/pair.html -- WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/ On 25 June 2011 02:10, Aaron Rouse aaron.ro...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
I know this works well for some people but it would drive me absolutely bug nuts. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:58 AM, James Holmes james.hol...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone who wants to fix the problem of distracted programmers in the office should try Pair Programming.

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Brady
I worked on a small project at a previous job where we tried pair programming and it had mixed results. We didn't do the slide the keyboard and mouse back and forth technique. Instead, we'd do shifts where one person developed on his machine for a while, while the other provided

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Dave Watts
LOL, well unless u have stats it is nothing more than opinion, but common sense tells you that distractions stop you form working effectively. And the only way to avoid those distractions is to be away from them. In my experience, there are more distractions in the office than at home. I

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Russ Michaels
If you work in an open plan office full of ringing phones and people talking and what not then I would agree, that is worse. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: LOL, well unless u have stats it is nothing more than opinion, but common sense tells you that

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Roger Austin
On 6/25/2011 1:04 PM, Dave Watts wrote: In my experience, there are more distractions in the office than at home. I think that's true for a lot of people. I'm much more productive in my home office than I was at work. I would agree, but I guess it can go either way. You need a good place to

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-25 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote: I worked on a small project at a previous job where we tried pair programming and it had mixed results. It can take some practice - and some developers are rather resistant to it (control issues). It was actually

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-24 Thread Russ Michaels
indeed working at the office makes no difference for some. I had one guy working for me once who was spending all his day chatting on ICQ and IRC and using dating sites to setup sexual encounters. And writing rubbish code in the mean time. I put a stop to this and blocked it all in the firewall,

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-24 Thread Mike Kear
I knew a guy years ago who started working from home, and in order to get himself in 'work' mode, he'd get dressed up in his suit and tie, have his breakfast as usual, pick up his briefcase, kiss his wife goodbye, walk out the back door, round the house to the front door, walk in, take his

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-24 Thread Russ Michaels
the problem is when that 15 second commute is the only exercise you get and before you know it you may be destined to shop at the same clothes store as Hal Helms :-) On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: I knew a guy years ago who started working from home,

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-24 Thread Mark A. Kruger
Nice segue (ha) Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:02 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-24 Thread Mark A. Kruger
Sean, Sorry... Midwest values and all that. I'll leave you to your latte's dude. -Mark -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:54 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:53 AM

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-24 Thread Mark A. Kruger
-Original Message- From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:11 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer Still working .. 3am .. and this is not uncommon ;) Laying down these sorts of generalised guidelines serves no purpose

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-24 Thread Jacob
No distractions in our office... ;-) -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: LOL, well

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-24 Thread Matt Quackenbush
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com wrote: No distractions in our office... ;-) LMAO I don't know that it'd be possible to be more productive in _your_ office than at home. Well, I suppose that depends upon what you're producing, eh? :D

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-24 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
Good point MJ. I have some exceptionally productive developers who are working from home - largely single. I'm betting they would agree with you. FYI - have you checked out Sean's site? :D LOL, I might just do that... MJS ~|

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-24 Thread Aaron Rouse
I am far less distracted when working from home. I typically will get more done in 8 hours at home than I probably get done in at least 16 hours in one of the offices I work out of. I actually feel like I goof off more at home then when in an office but can't say I ever tried measuring such

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Sean Corfield
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.com wrote: When we mad telecommuting available and stopped worrying about relocation things got a lot easier for us. I'll +100 on this. At Broadchoice, we figured out who we'd like to work for us and conducted screening

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread John M Bliss
+1 on everything said thus far re: telecommute. My company has 10 employees, no office, and we're spread out over four states. We use some tools already mentioned plus GoToMeeting. -- John Bliss - http://about.me/jbliss On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Sean Corfield

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Russ Michaels
working from home doesn't work for a lot of people though, there are too many distractions, tv, food, wife or g/f, even more so if you have small kids screaming round the house all day or if you do not have a separate room to use as an office. I have been far more productive since I moved out of

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread John M Bliss
Can we not say a lot? Can we agree on some? Just in case my next employer is reading this thread? Unless you have stats...? On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: working from home doesn't work for a lot of people though, there are too many distractions,

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread John M Bliss
That should have read, Just in case my next employer is reading this thread and is on the fence about hiring telecommuters? On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:37 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Can we not say a lot? Can we agree on some? Just in case my next employer is reading this

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Russ Michaels
LOL, well unless u have stats it is nothing more than opinion, but common sense tells you that distractions stop you form working effectively. And the only way to avoid those distractions is to be away from them. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:37 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Can

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread John M Bliss
Right. Telecommuters have an (obvious) responsibility to avoid enough distractions and/or put in enough hours to get their work done. But same goes for non-telecommuters. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: LOL, well unless u have stats it is nothing

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Roger Austin
Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: LOL, well unless u have stats it is nothing more than opinion, but common sense tells you that distractions stop you form working effectively. And the only way to avoid those distractions is to be away from them. There are disciplines that you

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Jacob
best to round up the troops in person. At least in my experience. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:34 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer working from home doesn't work for a lot of people though

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Mark A. Kruger
In some ways there's a difference between telecommuting and working from home - although most telecommuters do indeed work from home. When I started CF Webtools all my customers were remote - so I qualified as a telecommuter... at least I was not an on-site worker. But I bartered office space

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread John M Bliss
Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:34 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer working from home doesn't work for a lot of people though, there are too many distractions, tv, food, wife or g/f, even more so if you have small kids screaming round

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Andrew Scott
/ -Original Message- From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2011 11:46 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer Exactly. Honey, since you are going to be home today can you fill in the blank with all the chores your spouse wants you to do

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
I have been far more productive since I moved out of the house and into a proper office, as has my wife (who works for me). And for many of us, the opposite is the case. Being single and without kids, I actually have far fewer distractions at home than at work where there are often people

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Russ Michaels
Moving to an office also helped me stop smoking. When at home I would go downstairs for a smoke whenever I felt like it, at the REAL office I simply didn't bother. I worked from home for many years and it did work well, but in the end I became complacent and bored, I think due to the fact that

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread John M Bliss
Again, just to be safe, Dear future employer, Russ is talking about himself / some people. Many people will not have these problems so please *do* consider hiring telecommuters. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Moving to an office also helped me stop

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Russ Michaels
LOL, I think your being a bit paranoid there John, this is a private list remember,invite only :-) On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:40 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Again, just to be safe, Dear future employer, Russ is talking about himself / some people. Many people will not have

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Jason Durham
This is a pretty interesting and, in some cases, comical discussion. I LOL'd when I read working in an office helped cure nicotine addiction. It sounds funny to hear it... but I *get* where you're coming from. :) Like Mary Jo, I find that working in an office causes many more distractions for

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Mark A. Kruger
, 2011 10:01 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer I have been far more productive since I moved out of the house and into a proper office, as has my wife (who works for me). And for many of us, the opposite is the case. Being single and without kids, I actually have far fewer

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Wil Genovese
Russ - you must be talking about that other list - This is CFTALK. :) Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jun 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Russ Michaels wrote: LOL, I think your being a bit

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Russ Michaels
sorry DOH!!! I lost track of which list I was replying to, too many threads on the go at the same time heh So yes potential employers, remote working does work well for some people, everyone's situation is different, as is their ability to be organised, self disciplined and hard working.

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: working from home doesn't work for a lot of people though, there are too many distractions There are too many distractions _for you_ but WFH works very well for a lot of organizations. World Singles, for example, is

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: LOL, well unless u have stats it is nothing more than opinion, but common sense tells you that distractions stop you form working effectively. There are lots of distractions in an office too. And the only way to avoid

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.com wrote: Here are my tips? Go to bed at a decent hour. Get up and be online by 8:00. Dress in something decent that makes you feel professional. Keep regular office hours. You're clearly not familiar with Californian work

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: But as Jacob mentioned, if your married the wife does tend to think that if your home your not really working, so you can do chores for her. That depends on who you married... ;) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.com wrote: FYI - have you checked out Sean's site? :D For anyone who doesn't get the reference: http://worldsingles.com/ is the umbrella brand and 16 of our properties are listed on the home page - out of around 50 total

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 June 2011 02:54 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.com wrote: Here are my tips? Go to bed at a decent hour. Get up and be online by 8:00

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-23 Thread Gerald Guido
a customer's premises, the rest of the time it was jeans and t-shirts. -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 June 2011 02:54 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-22 Thread Tariq Ahmed
Taking developers from other backgrounds has been one of our strategies: http://riarockstars.com/2011/03/10/a-managers-take-on-the-state-of-cf-the-scarcity-talent/ The bare minimum effort to get something loosely working is way easier in CF vs. Java. Unfortunately the majority of CF developers

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-22 Thread Mark A. Kruger
, June 22, 2011 8:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer Taking developers from other backgrounds has been one of our strategies: http://riarockstars.com/2011/03/10/a-managers-take-on-the-state-of-cf-the-sc arcity-talent/ The bare minimum effort to get something loosely working

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-22 Thread Judah McAuley
I'm one of those, probably relatively few, devs that went the opposite route, starting off in CF and then picking up C#. I didn't do CS in college, actually any programming at all, but got a math degree so I had the analytical skills at least and algorithmic thinking. I picked up CF starting with

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-22 Thread Andrew Scott
Judah my point exactly. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2011 4:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer I'm one of those, probably relatively few

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-21 Thread Paul Kukiel
We brought a java dev over to CF. Worked a treat. Basically no training required and when we need some java we have an expert. Same as java to flex and easy transition. We also use java through out our app and try to use it especialy with lots of string operations as java os sop much faster.

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-21 Thread Scott Brady
FWIW, I don't think it's that easy to become a good CF developer, either. Yes, it's very easy to learn the language and it's easy to become competent at it (i.e., being able to build something that works). But to actually be good (best practices, advanced topics, etc.) isn't necessarily simple.

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-21 Thread Andrew Scott
Kukiel [mailto:pkuk...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 7:41 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer We brought a java dev over to CF. Worked a treat. Basically no training required and when we need some java we have an expert. Same as java to flex and easy transition

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-21 Thread Greg Morphis
Not really hand in hand both ways... It goes the way you're talking about yes but take a CF programmer and throw them to a Java project and it won't be so graceful a move... The learning curve on the Java side FAR exceeds ColdFusion.. as someone learning Java, I can attest to this. You have to

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-21 Thread Mike Chabot
Scott, I agree with what you wrote. The original poster seemed to be asking the question from an employment standpoint. As I wrote earlier, anyone is capable of learning anything, but having the ability to learn a skill and actually possessing that skill are different states and have different

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-21 Thread Paul Kukiel
I agree. My perspective came as one sided as we take on people new to CF and commign from java is fine. ( we don't hire CF people to train them in java ) If we took one of our younger devs from CF and tried to teach them java it would be alot harder if you didn't have a CS background or OO

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Jason Durham
Depends on experience. In general, a Java developer could be more-easily trained in CF. Jason Durham On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:18 PM, scott bloodworth sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com wrote: Have heard that these two skill sets work hand in hand. One can easily learn the other environment

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Patrick Santora
I believe it has more to do with how you desire programming within ColdFusion as you can program against it in either a procedural and/or OOP manner. Since CF sits on JRun which is a Java engine it simply uses java as it's workhorse for everything and since Java is a OOP language if you planned

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Mike Chabot
What you heard is false. I agree with what Jason said. -Mike Chabot On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scott bloodworth sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com wrote: Have heard that these two skill sets work hand in hand. One can easily learn the other environment fairly easy, is this true? is there a

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Patrick Santora
Out of curiosity, how is that false Mike? On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: What you heard is false. I agree with what Jason said. -Mike Chabot On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scott bloodworth sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com wrote: Have heard that

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Wil Genovese
If a person does not know Java there is a steep learning curve. The reverse is not true, ColdFusion is relatively easy to learn. Thus a Java programmer would typically have an easier time transitioning to ColdFusion than the reverse scenario. All the typical qualifiers in place (on average,

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Patrick Santora
Understandable. However my point was towards what would need to be encompassed in order to work within the both environments efficiently. Of course ColdFusion is easier and most likely always will be. But I felt some clarity was needed since the question was flirting with a commonality between

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Scott
://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Jason Durham [mailto:jqdur...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 3:21 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer Depends on experience. In general, a Java developer could be more-easily trained in CF. Jason Durham

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Scott
if you want this to across platforms. I could go on and on with many examples where you are wrong Mike. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Mike Chabot [mailto:mcha...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 4:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Scott
they can approach it in the right manner. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 5:08 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer If a person does not know Java

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Wil Genovese
designers pick up Java with ease because they can approach it in the right manner. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 5:08 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Jason Durham
It seems like the nitpicking thus far is really superfluous. Learning CFML doesn't get you any closer to being a Java developer than learning .NET. The converse is probably true (learning .NET is a better step in that direction). If you already know CFML and are looking to expand your skillset,

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Scott
://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 6:22 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer I don't know, I've programmed Assembler, FORTRAN, C/C++ and many others. Java has a funky way of doing things

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Mike Chabot
The person asking the question appears to be someone without much experience in either language and is likely not a programming master with a 15 year work history. In theory, anybody can lean anything. I could become a brain surgeon if I really put my mind to it, but I don't think the original

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Sean Corfield
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jason Durham jqdur...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like the nitpicking thus far is really superfluous.  Learning CFML doesn't get you any closer to being a Java developer than learning .NET. The converse is probably true (learning .NET is a better step in that

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Sean Corfield
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM, scott bloodworth sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com wrote: One can easily learn the other environment fairly easy, is this true? As others have indicated, learning Java is much harder than learning CFML. is there a benefit in looking for one or the other in

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Scott
...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 7:57 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer The person asking the question appears to be someone without much experience in either language and is likely not a programming master with a 15 year work history. In theory, anybody can lean

RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Ben Forta
thanks to a free hand), and the automatic driver will benefit from the greater control afforded by stick-shift. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:25 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer On Mon

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Sean Corfield
Great analogy! On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Ben Forta b...@forta.com wrote: CF=automatic, Java=stick-shift You can start with one and then learn the other, but stick-shift drivers can learn to drive automatic far easier than the reverse. When done, both benefit from the added

Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Gerald Guido
Great analogy! No kidding. I bet he would be good at explaining CF to other people. G! On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: Great analogy! On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Ben Forta b...@forta.com wrote: CF=automatic, Java=stick-shift You

Re: CF and Java

2009-08-10 Thread Larry Lyons
Hey All, Has anyone found an easy way to wander through all of the classes / packages available to CF through Java? I keep finding cool things other people have done using Java classes or packages that CF has already built in, but aren't in any way documented. I'd just like to wander through

Re: CF and Java

2009-08-10 Thread Gerald Guido
Larry, Excellent Resource. Thanx for sharing. G! On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Alan, A couple of things, first off Elliot Spren had a great presentation last year on the java internals of CF. Its available online:

Re: CF and Java

2009-08-10 Thread Larry Lyons
Larry, Excellent Resource. Thanx for sharing. Glad to help. Also if you're going to CFUnited, Adam Haskell is giving a 2 part presentation on CF and java. he already has his code available online: http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2009/08/cfunited-introduction-to-java.html regards, larry

Re: CF and Java

2009-08-07 Thread Dominic Watson
I don't know that there is any tidy browser type thing - but Alagad built a little tool for reflection: http://www.alagad.com/reflection/ ( http://www.alagad.com/go/products-and-projects ) Perhaps combine that with this:

Re: CF and Java

2009-08-07 Thread Eric Cobb
I'm not sure if all of these are available to CF. http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/overview-summary.html Thanks, Eric Cobb http://www.cfgears.com Alan Rother wrote: Hey All, Has anyone found an easy way to wander through all of the classes / packages available to CF through Java?

Re: CF and Java

2009-08-07 Thread Alan Rother
Cool, thanks everyone. Just in case someone else has something, let me give a better example of what I'm talking about. I had a problem the other day where I had a client who has a website with years and years of assets stacking up on their server. They had hundreds of SWF files in one folder

RE: CF and Java

2009-08-07 Thread Mark Kruger
www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rot...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 11:04 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF and Java Cool, thanks everyone. Just in case someone else has something, let me give a better example of what

Re: CF and Java

2009-08-07 Thread Alan Rother
As far as I have been able to determine all it does is to return the meta info for the file. http://coldfused.blogspot.com/2008/02/reading-flash-swf-metadata-from.html http://coldfused.blogspot.com/2008/02/reading-flash-swf-metadata-from.htmlIs Compressed : #header.compressed#br Frame Count :

Re: CF and Java

2009-08-07 Thread Leigh
However, it may still be possible that there are other classes and packages out the in CF that CAN pull assets from SWF files... Seems unlikely, but who knows, there are sooo many of them. I have never used it. But if you are curious, open the jar and look inside ;-) That class is from

Re: CF and Java

2009-08-07 Thread Dave l
you could always hit it with cfdirectory and look at dateLastModified However, it may still be possible that there are other classes and packages out the in CF that CAN pull assets from SWF files... Seems unlikely, but who knows, there are sooo many of them. I have never used

Re: CF and Java

2009-08-06 Thread Gerald Guido
*** http://isaacdealey.sys-con.com/*Here is a place to start: http://java.sun.com/javase/reference/api.jsp Not exactly what you are looking for but... Ike Dealey did a lot of CF related Java spelunking in this article http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/node/45569 I found it to be a good read and

Re: CF and Java

2007-04-19 Thread Andrew Whone
Line 91 is: XMLSignatureInput result = transforms.performTransforms(input); 10 from the end. A+ ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs

Re: CF and Java

2007-04-18 Thread Andrew Whone
I got a bit further on using Mark Mandels Javaloader. The coldfusion code is: cfscript loadPaths = ArrayNew(1); loadPaths[1] = expandPath(irmarkjars); loadPaths[2] = expandPath(irmarkjars\jce-jdk13-114.jar); loadPaths[3] = expandPath(irmarkjars\style-apachexml.jar); loadPaths[4] =

RE: CF and Java

2007-04-18 Thread Russ
file, so either your passing some null variable, or you forgot to set something, etc.. Russ -Original Message- From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF and Java I got a bit further on using Mark Mandels

RE: CF and Java

2007-04-18 Thread Phillip Duba
What is line 91 in your java file? That's where the error in your class is being thrown, Phil -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF and Java Looks like something is getting a null pointer, meaning

Re: CF and Java

2007-04-17 Thread Andrew Whone
I am using 1.4.2 ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive:

RE: CF and Java

2007-04-17 Thread Russ
Subject: Re: CF and Java I got Russ's code working but if I do this: public class IRMark { protected String filename; public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception { this.filename=filename; // Init the Apache XML security library Init.init

RE: CF and Java

2007-04-17 Thread Russ
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF and Java Does the code work when you run it from java? In the main method, do something like: IRMark irmark=new IRMark(somefile.xml); System.out.println(irmark.doStuff()); Russ

Re: CF and Java

2007-04-17 Thread Andrew Whone
I got Russ's code working but if I do this: public class IRMark { protected String filename; public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception { this.filename=filename; // Init the Apache XML security library Init.init(); }

Re: CF and Java

2007-04-16 Thread Andrew Whone
, 2007 12:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF and Java Your class doesn't appear to have an init method of its own. The fact that it's calling an init method in another class shouldn't matter, I think. CF comes with a specific version of log4j, which may be conflicting with yours. What exactly

Re: CF and Java

2007-04-16 Thread Andrew Whone
Thanks for all the help but still no joy. I have been compiling the class file in the classes library and not moving it. All the jars are in the class path. I have been calling the method using: cfobject action=create type=Java class=IRMark name=myObj cfset ret=myObj.main(input.xml) And

RE: CF and Java

2007-04-16 Thread Phillip Duba
Andrew, My 1.2 referred to version 1.2 of the Apache XML Security Library: http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xml-security-bin-1_ 2_0.zip. I did have to upgrade to the 1.2.96 version of the xmlsec.jar file: http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xmlsec-1.2.96.jar.

RE: CF and Java

2007-04-16 Thread Russ
to be doing this a lot, I suggest getting Mark Mandel's JavaLoader.cfc. It has greatly eased my Java/CF development. Russ -Original Message- From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF and Java Thanks for all the help

Re: CF and Java

2007-04-16 Thread Andrew Whone
Andrew, My 1.2 referred to version 1.2 of the Apache XML Security Library: http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xml-security-bin-1_ 2_0.zip. I did have to upgrade to the 1.2.96 version of the xmlsec.jar file: http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xmlsec-1.2.96.jar.

RE: CF and Java

2007-04-16 Thread Phillip Duba
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF and Java Andrew, My 1.2 referred to version 1.2 of the Apache XML Security Library: http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xml-security-bin-1 _ 2_0.zip. I did have to upgrade to the 1.2.96 version

Re: CF and Java

2007-04-16 Thread Andrew Whone
I tried that and it's still the same error message so presumably the array is problematic but should work see: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/06/passing_coldfus.cfm I put the blank constructor in the code thus: public class IRMark { /** * Generate and print the

RE: CF and Java

2007-04-16 Thread Russ
, it's poor coding practices and will cause you more problems in the long run. Your code should be properly structured. Russ -Original Message- From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF and Java I tried

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