Hello all,
I started building my lab for my upcoming CCIE test and bought several
routers off of e-bay. The D-60 serial interface on one of the 2500 routers
has mangled pins and makes the interface unusable...I need both interfaces.
Where can I get the D-60 connector replaced quickly and cheapl
First. Thank you very much answering my question.
Let me clarify some background about this MAC-address case.
We have many different IP-subnets at same side of router.
Please don't ask me why, it's too long story to tell here :-)
Some of traffic which goes to router and back is targeted at
l
Hi,
I was wondering in what fashion the softnet/soft-pk software works,
capi,pkcsii, etc.
Thank you in advance
Gil Shulman
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Thomas,
You might want to look at what metrics you are using on
redistribution...
router rip
redistribute igrp 200 metric 4 < 16 is unreachable...!
router igrp 200
redistribute rip metric
You see these protocols don't use the same metrics so you must tell them how
to
Hi,
I'm trying to find out the cost (in GBP) of setting up a home lab for the
CCNP. I'm fairly sure I'm going with a 2501 & 2503 (I'll add a switch
later).
Thanks,
Graham
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buy a SmartNet, hold the router for a few weeks to a month & send it back
under warranty. There is nothing you can do. These interfaces are built
into the motherboard.
Phil
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14 weeks and still waiting
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> Hi. Has anyone got the results from the CID beta test yet?
> I have taken several beta test and this is the longest I have had to wait
> for the results.
> Than
I am going to takes BCMSN tomorrow.
I just coming to find the CLSL is quite different from BCMSN.
Can anyone tell me if it is true that BCMSN cares less on the the line
cards or some other switch engines. I thought they should be some what
similar.
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James,
On your access list 15 try changing the mask to .255 instead of .3, even though you
are using a 30 bit mask at the interface. This has worked for me before.
jer
At 09:59 AM 3/24/2001 -0800, James wrote:
>it shouldn't. its layer two, and if you put dialer in debug you see that it
>is sho
I just bought the High Availability Networking with Cisco router and I
must say it's OUTSTANDING. The author goes into many great topic's, that
other books don't. I would encourage everyone to at least look at it.
You can get online or your local book store
Autor Vincent C. Jones
IS
>I just bought the High Availability Networking with Cisco router and I
>must say it's OUTSTANDING. The author goes into many great topic's, that
>other books don't. I would encourage everyone to at least look at it.
>
>You can get online or your local book store
>
>
> Autor Vincent C. Jo
Hi Folks,
Can anyone ( specially the likes of Berkowitzs, Forsyths, Oppenheimers,
etc ) comment on the advantages of having multiple "IP routing tables" in a
router such as featured by Juniper in its M-Series machines. Would it not
consume comparatively more hardware resources on a router in terms
Sure, I'll try that but I don't see why it should matter. As I understand
it, ip classless affects routing table lookups only and it doesn't care how
those routes were installed into the table.
Although, given this behavior, my assumption might be wrong.
Thanks,
John
> John,
> Interesting.
If I understand your topology, the problem is that you are running RIP and
IGRP with a discontiguous classfull network. Let me rephrase that.
It appears that your network looks like this:
A 10.1.0.0 - 192.168.10.0 -- B 10.2.0.0
RIP and IGRP cannot pass subnet mask information
Okay, I just tried this with RIP advertising the default route and I'm even
more confused! Now, it behaves as I would expect. With no ip classless,
pings to unknown 10.x.x.x subnets are unroutable even though there is a
default route in the routing table.
With no ip classless, why does my route
Thanks John! It starts to make sense to me know! Is it possible to take
out RIP and just run EIGRP without "passive-interface" and "redistribute"?
If so what's the trade off? Again Thanks for the help!
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>Can anyone ( specially the likes of Berkowitzs, Forsyths, Oppenheimers,
>etc ) comment on the advantages of having multiple "IP routing tables" in a
>router such as featured by Juniper in its M-Series machines. Would it not
>consume comparatively more hardware resources on a router in
BCMSN does care less about the line cards and processors, but you had better
understand multilayer switching.
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should work on 802.1q
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> Hi All - I wonder if it is possible to implement the "Routing on a stick"
> method using Cisco 3620 router (with 1 fast ethernet port) and the 3Com
> CoreBuilder 50
I guess in faovour of metric.
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> Okay, I just tried this with RIP advertising the default route and I'm
even
> more confused! Now, it behaves as I would expect. With no ip classless,
> pings to unknown 1
Hi!
I'm trying to setup a configuration mentioned in the subject...
Everything works nice with sensing, shunning, alarming, etc... but I have one
question.
Should I direct the syslog data stream to the sensor or to the policy manager
when monitoring ACL violations?
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I colleague of mine has a network connecting two routers with redundant serial
links. These serial links happen to reside in the same subnet as follows:
Router
ARouter
B
S0 - 192.1.67.1/24 - 192
Without knowing why you originally chose to run both RIP and IGRP, I can't
tell you exactly what the trade-offs might be. Unless you have some other
non-Cisco devices (like Unix boxes) that need to listen to RIP updates, why
not turn off both RIP and IGRP and then only run EIGRP? You wouldn't ha
Metric shouldn't have anything to do with it. Whether I'm using RIP or OSPF
the default route is being added to the routing table of the hub router.
The issue is that with no ip classless configured, the hub router should NOT
ever pick the default route when trying to reach unknown subnets of th
I'm not sure how that helps in this case. In both scenarios, whether using
RIP or OSPF, the default route is being learned dynamically by the hub
router and it is installed into the routing table. The problem is that with
no ip classless configured, that router should never use the default route
I don't recognize the packets. Maybe someone else will. You could look up
the TCP port numbers for a clue. Port 1389, for example, claims to be for
Document Management. TCP port numbers are in the Assigned Numbers RFC 1700.
Also, check the IP source. Determine if it's a server, end station, or
Anyone know who we can call at Cisco? Speaking to Prometric is a
waste of time because they blame Cisco (this from past experience with
them).
Not to spread rumors, but I think this is related to them not having
published the updated CID 4.0 class yet. I can't find any mention of
it anywhere.
The router should get the MAC address by ARPing. Try to capture the ARPs.
If the router is fast-switching, then you wouldn't catch the ARPs unless
you clear the ARP table on the router first, (which it sounds like you
can't do since you don't have access to the router.) But this may not be a
p
Maybe they laid off the people working on it. Just kidding. Seriously, the
Cisco training department has always worked at about 1/100,000,000 the
speed of Internet time.
Analyzing the results of a beta test is time-consuming, though, and
sometimes there are arguments on the meaning of the resu
/24? Subnet them. I like /30 for p to p links. run rip version 2.
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> I colleague of mine has a network connecting two routers with redundant
serial
> links. These serial links happen to reside in the
Howdy all!
I have a request for those token ring experts. I am seting up a token =
ring network as part of my home lab. I am going to hang the network off =
a 2502 router. I am using an IBM 8228 MAU with IBM 16/4 ISA TR Adapters =
running over Windows NT 4 Workstation OS. NET properties says
>Anyone know who we can call at Cisco? Speaking to Prometric is a
>waste of time because they blame Cisco (this from past experience with
>them).
>
>Not to spread rumors, but I think this is related to them not having
>published the updated CID 4.0 class yet. I can't find any mention of
>it anyw
Could this have been an issue with route summarization, where the
pass-through router (C) had summaries from both sides (couldn't make a
decision). If you disable classless on one router, the route & summary will
be assigned in one direction & the true path to the second router will be
defined.
Looks like a Serial connection through a Frame-Relay network, with Traffic
Shaping applied in low/ medium/ high intervals. Whatever you do not
understand in this config can be easily plugged into the CCO search engine.
www.Cisco.com
Phil
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I thank Priscilla for her candor on this topic. I for
one was pretty livid with the exam, and I wrote over
seven pages of comments to the Cisco team both through
the exam comments feature and off-line. Specifically I
was disappointed that the questions were poorly
crafted, afforded few solid answe
All -
Cisco is a great company. It has one of the best
developed business models in the world. Their products
afford a well-rounded feature set that is first rate.
ARE YOU INSANE!!! ;)
Let's see. CSCO is trading at a P/E of just over 45.
Companies normally trade in the area of 30, and
WorldCom,
Ken,
Thank you very much for the advice. This past Friday, my company has
decided to use Linux as our company Firewall. Furthermore, we've decided
that this Firewall will be running kernel 2.4.2 with only two services
running on it, SSH and netfilter (aka iptables). I've tested kernel
2.4.2 in
Not that its at all helpful in this situation, but ip classless, much like bgp
synchronization, fall into the category of commands that simply defy understanding
when presented with test criteria. One must keep in mind that these are
implementations of code that sometimes are not 100% reflecti
I have heard varying opinions on the difficulty of BCMSN.
Could somebody let me know one/both of the foll. things :
1. As related to questions on commands, will I have to select it from a list of type
it in ?
2. How many questions (approximately) are covered on Multicasting ? (I find all other
If you have routing enabled, Cisco IOS will not let
you put multiple interfaces in the same subnet. What
version of code are you using and are you sure this is
the way he has it configured? You're using RIP so have
routing enabled so something is fishy here. Equal-cost
multipath should work fine u
Right off the top I wanted to say "NO! - you can't do this..." but then I
saw that we were talking about serials here so I did a test. Sure enough I
was able to put two serial interfaces on the same router into the same
subnet. Didn't think that was possible. However, as I suspected - as soon
a
Got a bunch of Covad stock options I'll sell ya !!!
:o)
Phil
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Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Hi folks, I've been thinking about Cisco as an investment.
Greetings,
I'm using dialer profiles for DDR configuration. I can successfully setup
the ISDN call and interfaces are up/up on both ends.
However, I'm getting an "encapsulation failed" message when trying to ping
the remote interface IP address. This is obviously the failure of the router
to ge
The last thing this business needs in the possibility of a recession is a
company like Cisco a Market Leader vacillating on which way any single thing
goes. Changes in CID like CCNP/CCDP and CCs can only confuse situations.
How do you induce stability in a market that needs certain stability at t
Sean,
Have you guys compared FreeBSD with Linux for the firewall?
Thanks
KY
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> Ken,
> Thank you very much for the advice. This past Friday, my company has
> decided to use Linux as our company Firew
I got off the list temporarily because I am on vacation, but I must comment
once more. Vacillating on test results is normal and healthy and has been
going on forever. It has nothing to do with the economy.
I would suspect that one thing that's holding up the test is the seven
pages of comment
Can anyone spare or sell me a rack mount kit for a 2500 series
router? Don't want to spend $100 ea. I need 5. Thanks.
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> Looks like a Serial connection through a Frame-Relay network,
The best deal I've found is at http://www.optsys.net
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Sent: 03/25/2001 3:35 PM
Subject: looking for 2500 rack mount
Can anyone spare or sell me a rack mount kit for a 2500 series
router? Don't want to spend $100 ea. I need 5.
you can get them off ebay for around $20-30 a set.
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>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:35:19 -0500
>
>Can anyone spare or sell me a rack mount kit for a 2500 s
Heh heh...yes, ip classless and bgp synchronization do fit into that
category quite well!
I am starting to think this is an IOS feature on this router. I tried this
with RIP, EIGRP, and OSPF. 'no ip classless' behaved exactly as expected
when running RIP and EIGRP. It was only when I used OS
My point of view might be wrong for every case, but most the of the world
"really" only readily recognizes the CCNA, CCNP, & CCIE certifications. We
have DP's in the office & more often than not (some where down the road)-
they end up having to explain their certification to new contract customer
SAIF,
Glad you looked it up. Now, how about in the future you check _before_ you
start spreading incorrect info?
TIA
B
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> Eric Fa
The line "System returned to ROM by power-on" bothers me, do I have a
problem with my router? I think it appears to be running from ROM, is this
true?
ROUTER>sh ver
Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
IOS (tm) 2500 Software (C2500-I-L), Version 12.1(2), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
Copyright (
WOuld the person who post (a few days ago) to this list, a long list of lab
vintage equipment - please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The person referred to is the one that stated the whole bundle for $15,000.
I lost the original message, but would like to to see the list again.
thanks
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Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>
> At 10:09 PM 3/23/01, you wrote:
>
> >Are you sure that the LAA bit applies to Ethernet? I've never seen
> >that defined as such in any doc. Only for Token Ring.
> >- Marty
>
> It's in IEEE 802.3. I just checked. And I bet you have seen it used! How
> about in
Hi All,
I have been asked to design an internal lan structure at an ISP which
has load balancing for our server farm of 5 servers at the switching
level. Can some one tell me how good cisco switch's are in this area
compared to Foundry.
Also, what protocols are used at the switch layer to creat
Responding to your good questions:
- Yes, the /14 was a typo. Should be /24.
- Router A is running IOS 11.1
- Router B is running IOS 11.0
- I believe RIP version 1 is used.
- No, he is routing and not bridging. (At least he is attempting to route)
- All other interfaces on either router are on
I bought three sets from [EMAIL PROTECTED] for $15 per set including shipping.
Original Cisco with screws.
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>
>
> Can a
Responding to your good questions:
- Yes, the /14 was a typo. Should be /24.
- Router A is running IOS 11.1
- Router B is running IOS 11.0
- I believe RIP version 1 is used.
- No, he is routing and not bridging. (At least he is attempting to route)
- All other interfaces on either router are on
Hi All - Is it possible to run "routing on a stick" on an regular ethernet
interface, not fastethernet??? I loaded IOS version 12.1.7 onto the 2611
and I could create subinterface on its ethernet ports. I could also
encapsulate these subinterfaces to 802.1q and assign IP addresses for them.
It s
Hi All, I am thinking about running RIPv2 on my 2500. I am not sure which
IOS version starts supporting RIPv2. My 2500 only has 8MB of flash, and I
don't want to spend another couple hundreds for flash upgrade... Thanks
All!
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So by your statement you analyze/buy stocks on P/E?
You must own not own a single tech stock then. World Com is 15
and Lucent and some others because they have already lost their butts.
If you want to make money you have to accept risk. Of course you could be
old, in which case capital preservers
You neglected to say what verion of ios you had, I see it is supported in
11.2, and I know they supported it in versions available in 1998/1999.
Brian
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Thomas wrote:
> Hi All, I am thinking about running RIPv2 on my 2500. I am not sure which
> IOS version starts sup
How can I find out if what version of RIP I am using and how to enable it?
Thanks!
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> You neglected to say what verion of ios you had, I see it is supported in
> 11.2, and I know they supported it in vers
sh ip int x
Will show you what version you are using on an interface.
Set up rip for version 2 only
router rip
version 2
or on an interface level
ip rip send/recieve version 1 or 2 or 1 2
Chad A. Simmons, MCSE, CCNP, CCDP
Network Consultant
Network Services Group
Court Square Data Group, Inc.
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No the Catalysts, and routers only support "802.1q" on fastethernet ports.
Chad A. Simmons, MCSE, CCNP, CCDP
Network Consultant
Network Services Group
Court Square Data Group, Inc.
1391 Main St.
Springfield, Ma. 01103
(413) 746-0054 (Phone)
(413) 746-0058 (Fax)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.csdg.
Doesn't Cisco realize that telnet is a security risk on Cisco devices
especially for us who often has to telnet to the router remotely to
fix/troubleshoot problems? Because username and password are traveling
across the Internet in CLEAR TEXT, the risk is too great. I work for
a company that wou
Cisco allows up to 4 serial links in the same subnet. There are situations
where you would want to do that, but I cannot for the life of me recall what
they are... I did read about it once, and actually had to research it with
the TAC. Search the TAC archives and you will find the message from
If your configuration just says "router rip" then it is version 1. If the
next line says version 2 - bingo! To see if your version of IOS supports
version 2 try the old "?".
2523(config)#router rip
2523(config-router)#?
Router configuration commands:
auto-summaryEnable automatic net
Thanks Chad! Is RIPv2 compatiable with RIP? In order words, If I have one
router running RIP and the other running RIPv2, can they still work
together? My concern is convering RIP to RIPv2 so that I can turn off the
"auto-summary" feature.
""Simmons, Chad"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
I can only speak for the Cisco 11000 series (formerly Arrowpoint) switches.
They're really designed for more than load sharing, but they are seriously
cool devices. It's better that you read about their capabilities first
hand, though. Just go to CCO and read up on the 11050 and 11150, one of
w
I can only speak for the Cisco 11000 series (formerly Arrowpoint) switches.
They're really designed for more than load sharing, but they are seriously
cool devices. It's better that you read about their capabilities first
hand, though. Just go to CCO and read up on the 11050 and 11150, one of
w
That works! Thanks Daniel!
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> If your configuration just says "router rip" then it is version 1. If the
> next line says version 2 - bing
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121newft/121
t/121t1/sshv1.htm
Supported Platforms
Cisco 1700 series
Cisco 2600 series
Cisco 3600 series
Cisco 7200 series
Cisco 7500 series
Cisco ubr920 series
But it does require a DES or 3Des software image. You may want to che
Don't use the version 2 command in router config mode. Instead use ip rip
send version 2 on interfaces you wish to upgrade to version 2.
Chad
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Subject: Re: RIPv2 starts a
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From: "Sean Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Doesn't Cisco realize that telnet is a security risk on Cisco devices
> especially for us who often has to telnet to the router remotely to
> fix/troubleshoot problems? Because username and password are traveling
> across the I
I think that Novell has the best grasp on things out of all the
certification programs (too bad they have never invested the same
level of foresight into their marketing department).
They first do an alpha test for a new course. When the results come
in they can weed out obviously confusing and
IOS versions 12.0(3) through 12.0(9) are known to have issues
with ISDN... now i am not saying this maybe the problem but
something to keep in mind but hard for us to hepl you
without the configs :).
Regards,
Jason Baker
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Hi Gang
In the process of building the network here. I am not a switching
person. I would like to know if the Catalyst 5000 has modules that
support ISDN bri or Serial Modules ?, this way I dont have to go and
also purchase another router I can just simply add modules for ISDN and
frame..
Started March 23, 2001. This user group is for Cisco professionals or
learners living and working in Japan. There is a Cisco sponsored mailing
list that announces Tokyo meetings, but posting to it is restricted to Cisco
employees, so I created this group. All official Cisco sponsored user groups
m
RSM is an option, and expensive - a router could be cheaper.
Cat5000 don't do serial or ISDN.
Check out modules here:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat5000/hardware/modules
/01overvw.htm#xtocid161762
Looks like a router is in your future.
Kevin Wigle
- Original Mess
Weird. I wasn't aware of that... just tried it and it
doesn't complain about overlapping subnet. I need to
research this. If anyone finds a Cisco.com page
explaining this let me know. I suspect I may have hard
time finding a doc page on it.
--- Mask Of Zorro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cisco all
I found some docs mentioning this and it does make
sense for dial backup and related scenarios. I can't
think of anything else offhand that it would be useful
for. Perhaps thats why load balancing over it wasn't
working well... with both interfaces up at same time
on same router. I'll have to do s
Related Q: Anyone know if Cisco has plans to support SSH2 anytime soon?
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Simmons, Chad
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 11:00 PM
To: 'Sean Young'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Implementing SSH on Cisco IOS
ht
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From: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> RSM is an option, and expensive - a router could be cheaper.
>
> Cat5000 don't do serial or ISDN.
>
> Check out modules here:
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat5000/hardware/modules
> /01overvw.htm#xtoc
If you were doing IP unnumbered and wanted failover, perhaps that would be
one. Just a guess though, I would never try the serial links with
overlapping addresses like the ones that started this thread.
Bri
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To
If you frequent the comp.dcom.sys.cisco newsgroup you will be very familiar
with Dr Jones. He regularly takes time to post solutions to various topics
that interest him. I have always found his comments very pertinent and
usually insightful.
I am glad to see he has taken the time to share some
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 08:11:19PM -0500, Russ Kreigh wrote:
> The line "System returned to ROM by power-on" bothers me, do I have a
> problem with my router? I think it appears to be running from ROM, is this
> true?
[snip]
> System returned to ROM by power-on
[snip]
The "returned to ROM by powe
Is Autoroute in IGX/BPX put on RFC ?
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