[discuss] Re: Mailing list guidelines, was: Major gaps of Open Office Impress versus Microsoft Power Point

2011-07-04 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 11:57:53 AM +1000, Dave Barton wrote: My long history with this and other OOo lists proves that I do not make it a practice to engage in these kind of exchanges. then, please, don't get them started at all with public answers to guidelines reminders that sound like yes,

Re: [discuss] How to make OO the standard

2010-10-16 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 08:53:13 AM -0400, Wm Stewart (wstew...@livinginternet.com) wrote: OpenOffice could be the world standard very quickly if it solved what users say is the number one barrier to widespread adoption. Slides 26 and 30 of this presentation show that the feature OO users

Re: [discuss] How to make OO the standard

2010-10-16 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:02:18 AM -0400, Wm Stewart (wstew...@livinginternet.com) wrote: On 10/16/2010 9:36 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 08:53:13 AM -0400, Wm Stewart (wstew...@livinginternet.com) wrote: OpenOffice could be the world standard very quickly if it solved what

Re: [discuss] How to make OO the standard

2010-10-16 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 13:22:44 PM -0400, Wm Stewart (wstew...@livinginternet.com) wrote: b. Solving compatibility is under the community's control NO. It isn't. By definition. Because it's not the community that controls when the secret formats it's trying to catch will stop moving and

Re: [discuss] Re: What Microsoft customers think of OpenOffice.org

2010-10-15 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 11:48:10 AM +1300, Paul (paul.m...@gmail.com) wrote: I think this commentary is more accurate as to why the video exists: http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2010/10/microsoft-gives-its-blessing-to-openofficeorg/index.htm?cmpid=sbslashdotschapman The funny,

[discuss] OOOCon 2010: preparing the next ten years

2010-09-03 Thread M. Fioretti
Greetings, here's my initial report from Budapest: http://freesoftware.zona-m.net/node/23 HTH, Marco - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org

Re: [discuss] Feature-proposal: Semi-automatic creation of presentation or writer-document

2010-06-01 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 12:14:59 PM -0800, hans nobody (hans01...@yahoo.de) wrote: Hi all, At work (where we unfortunately have to use MS Office), I have often the need to create a presentation or text-document made up by a couple of fotos with comments, to explain or document mechanical

Re: [discuss] Feature-proposal: Semi-automatic creation of presentation or writer-document

2010-06-01 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 10:03:17 AM +0100, Mike Scott (m...@scottsonline.org.uk) wrote: in case you still have that need, you can surely do that kind of stuff with shell and Perl scripts: just look at the What's next section of

[discuss] Why and how the OpenDocument format can save you a lot of time!

2010-05-21 Thread M. Fioretti
Greetings, here is the introduction to a series of quick and dirty recipes I'll publish on my tips tricks website: http://freesoftware.zona-m.net/why-and-how-opendocument-format-can-save-you-lot-time If there's any specific trick you'd like to see explained in that series, just ask and I'll do

[discuss] Ooo tutorials for blind users?

2010-05-04 Thread M. Fioretti
Greetings, I just interviewed Tony, who's starting an audio documentation project for blind computer users willing to switch to Linux and Free Software: http://stop.zona-m.net/node/150 the question for this list is: do audio tutorials like those Tony is asking for already exist for OOo, even on

Re: [discuss] Ooo tutorials for blind users?

2010-05-04 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, May 04, 2010 07:51:10 AM -0400, Andrew Jensen (drewjensen.in...@gmail.com) wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 7:42 AM, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote: I just interviewed Tony, who's starting an audio documentation project for blind computer users willing to switch to Linux

[discuss] First report from ODF plugfest

2010-04-16 Thread M. Fioretti
Here it is, while all the ODF hackers around me here in Granada are still hacking, comparing code, discussing bugs and so on: http://freesoftware.zona-m.net/node/10 (a link to the talk I gave yesterday about hidden proprietary traps that may enter ODF is also included) You're obviously welcome

Re: [discuss] Re: OO Writer

2010-02-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 17:58:07 PM +1000, Bob Long (b...@oblong.com.au) wrote: Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Well, now much helpful, but all I can say is just avoid to use the Microsoft formats as far as possible. Since Microsoft's file formats (except those OOXML things) are not open formats Calling

Re: [discuss] OpenOffice is closed

2010-02-02 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 15:08:28 PM -0500, Wm Stewart (wstew...@livinginternet.com) wrote: It saddens me greatly to see OpenOffice friends who claim to be open minded show a closed mind on interoperability, blocking the complete success that is so near at hand, and we all wish. (Please don't

Re: [discuss] What to do?

2010-01-31 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 18:01:16 PM +, Harold Fuchs (fuchs.har...@googlemail.com) wrote: In the past I have forwarding to unsubscribed user but have been slated for doing so. And every time you, and others doing the same before you, were given tons of patiently explained reasons why it was

Re: [discuss] Behavior of Reply All

2010-01-11 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:21:43 AM -0600, Barbara Duprey (b...@onr.com) wrote: Marco wrote: now, will you please understand that there is no guarantee whatsoever that when all the other subscribed users will open their mailbox they will find BOTH X and Y in it? ... I *do* know

Re: [discuss] Behavior of Reply All

2010-01-11 Thread M. Fioretti
(Barbara, I'm sending you this message twice for reasons explained at the end, only to make my explanation clearer) OK, as I said, let's restart from this message of yours. First of all, I have remembered why my idea of what YOU (Barbara) are trying to do was different from what you described

Re: [discuss] Behavior of Reply All

2010-01-10 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 14:58:57 PM -0600, Barbara Duprey (b...@onr.com) wrote: The OOo list management (ezmlm or CollabNet-- I'd love to know who does what here) sets a Reply-To header that includes only the list address. This precedes the original Reply-To containing whatever the sender

Re: [discuss] Behavior of Reply All

2010-01-10 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 18:47:22 PM -0600, Barbara Duprey (b...@onr.com) wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: ... Why waste any more time over this investigation? For one thing, I'm learning a lot -- and collecting it in a form that should be useful to others. I don't consider it a waste of my time

Re: [discuss] OpenOffice iPod App

2010-01-07 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, January 7, 2010 3:36 pm, Barbara Duprey wrote: The OP (sparta...@yahoo.com) is not subscribed and probably did not see this response. To deal with this problem and all its future occurrences in the future, here and on the users list, please just follow the suggestions at

Re: [discuss] Moderator-Forced Unsubscribes

2009-12-17 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 07:55:51 AM +, Mike Scott wrote: There is another possibility to deal with the situation. I suggested on 'users' a while ago (meeting with an unexpected lack of enthusiasm) that an auto-responder might be constructed You were lucky. As far as I know, I was the first

Re: [discuss] *FYI* Site selling your software

2009-12-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, December 2, 2009 10:40 pm, Javier Bustamante wrote: It looks like this site is trying to sell your software for $9.99 http://www.openoffice2007.com/index.html Javier, towards the end of that page there is a statement that says that it is fully legal for them to charge for OpenOffice

Re: [discuss] Remove e-mail address from the web site please

2009-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, May 19, 2009 12:11:02 PM +0200, Kristofer Åberg wrote: Yahoogroups also have a lot of open discussion lists, but they remove the e-mail address... You really should do the same You who, please? I and everybody else who answered you so far *are* volunteers without any official

Re: [discuss] Remove e-mail address from the web site please

2009-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, May 19, 2009 13:54:50 PM +0200, Kristofer Åberg wrote: To M. Fioretti: I think it is very unnecessary to be this defensive and aggressive. ... So you mean no official people or developers read this list? Kristofer, the main link to this list in OpenOffice.org is at http

Re: [discuss] Remove e-mail address from the web site please

2009-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
Sorry, I made a mistake: On Tue, May 19, 2009 16:38:20 PM +0200, Marco Fioretti wrote: the list definition in the same page explicitly says OpenOffice.org Project community support provided by a network of hundreds of experienced users This is the definition of the Users list, not the

Re: [discuss] Remove e-mail address from the web site please

2009-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
absolutely useless. I say this not against Kristofer, but as a general reference for everybody. Earlier today, Kristofer had replied to me as follows: M. Fioretti wrote: - the pages are mirrored by many other independent websites, which you should hunt one by one I haven't seen any other site

Re: [discuss] Please remove

2009-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
using that address and be more careful with a new one from now on, or install some good anti-spam system. Best Regards, M. Fioretti Digital Rights writings - http://mfioretti.com -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software

Re: [discuss] Remove e-mail address from the web site please

2009-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, May 19, 2009 19:05:10 PM +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote: No, but nobody maintaining the mailing list web frontend does. This is done at Collab.Net, the web hoster for OOo. AFAIK this question has been discussed with them, but to no avail. Hoping to get answers about anything regarding

Re: [discuss] Remove e-mail address from the web site please

2009-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, May 19, 2009 16:07:30 PM -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: I believe email addresses displayed 'in the clear' or obfuscated, by gmane at least, is a setting that can be changed and requires only that someone contact the archive manager. they can encrypt addresses as explained at

Re: [discuss] Remove e-mail address from the web site please

2009-05-18 Thread M. Fioretti
Regards, M. Fioretti Digital Rights writings - http://mfioretti.com -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you:http://digifreedom.net/node/84

Re: [discuss] [IMPORTANT] Broken ODF support in MS Office 2007 SP2

2009-05-10 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, May 10, 2009 14:58:09 PM -0400, Douglas St.Clair wrote: Has Microsoft failed to properly implement the standard or has it 'extended' it? This has been discussed quite in depth just a few days ago in the users list. I suggest that everybody interested browses this thread:

Re: [discuss] Re: ms word

2009-04-16 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 08:37:40 AM +0100, Gordon wrote: To return to the discussion of the Sun ODF plugin for MS Office that won't work on Office 97 Just to avoid confusion: I am the one who originally mentioned the plugin incompatibility with Office 97 first, but I'm not the one whose

Re: [discuss] Re: Re: ms word

2009-04-09 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 16:31:55 PM -0400, Twayne wrote: Off base: Recommendation was, The Sender doing the accomodating is exactly the opposite: Sending files in formats the other end CAN read. I had understood that very clearly, thank you. And I confirm that this is a bad habit, in this case.

Re: [discuss] Re: ms word

2009-04-06 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 13:22:25 PM -0400, Twayne wrote: Right. When sending documents, if the recipient's capabilities are known, the sender should try to accomodate. Why propagate a virus? Because that is what sending out files in proprietary formats amounts to. Of course, there are a lot of

Re: [discuss] ms word

2009-04-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 13:14:59 PM +0100, Ron wrote: I use and prefer Openoffice.Org . Its an excellent program. However my correspondents use only MS Word and the command open with, does not work. How do we get around this problem ??? Ron, the problem you have encountered is that

Re: [discuss] ms word

2009-04-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 14:55:43 PM +0200, Ian Samson wrote: I never have this problem. Ian, Ron explicitly said that it is not him but his correspondents, who use MS Word, who have the problem. experienced thus far. I don't right-click and select the Open With command. Just double-click works.

[discuss] Seminar on how OpenDocument, OOXML and other formats impact innovation

2009-03-30 Thread M. Fioretti
Greetings, the 2009 edition of my seminar on How file formats can be used to favor (or hamper) innovation: concrete impacts on free markets, business competition, culture, equal opportunities, education... which contains several pages discussing OpenDocument, OOo's default file

Re: [discuss] Can moderation of this list be improved ?

2009-02-16 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 07:52:41 AM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi friends, There are only few messages that pass moderation on this list. Is that a selection out of a huge amount? If not, might it be possible to dump messages speaking in f*ing and b*it words about our program, obviously posted

Re: [discuss] Can moderation of this list be improved ?

2009-02-16 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 08:36:35 AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: I opened this message because I thought it was about the much bigger problems this list has always had: Er, sorry. I don't know about Cour, but me, I answered thinking of the us...@ooo list, where the problem I mentioned has always

Re: [discuss] Microsoft password protected documents via OOo

2008-12-02 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 10:55:15 AM -0600, Mike W. wrote: I have a hybrid network with OOo on several workstations and Microsoft on several. I am migrating to OOo from MS gradually. All of the stored documents are in MS format and some are password protected. When opened in MS the user is

Re: [discuss] first summary of OOoCon 2008

2008-11-12 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 10:41:45 AM +, Ian Lynch wrote: On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 21:42 -0500, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: On 2008-11-10, at 08:48 , Ian Lynch wrote: Go back a stage and I'd agree. You need strategies to enable users to become producers and education is the key. I quite

[discuss] Who produces OOo?, was: first summary of OOoCon 2008

2008-11-10 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 00:43:12 AM -0500, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: thanks for the interesting report, but... OOo has a brilliant future, all the more so given the dark economic times closing around us. But its brilliance depends on the concerted efforts on those users who become producers.

[discuss] Sun dropping out of OO.o development wouldn't be an entirely negative thing

2008-07-28 Thread M. Fioretti
Novell-developer Michael Meeks finds strong words for Sun's management of the free office suite in an interview - Pushes for own OOo flavor http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=1216917892794 -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you:

Re: [discuss] Sun dropping out of OO.o development wouldn't be an entirely negative thing

2008-07-28 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:43:20 AM -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Well I read the interview and seems that Michael didn't said anything we didn't really already know. that is true, but it's interesting to see certain things covered outside the usual circles. One thing I appreciated is that

Re: [discuss] Sun dropping out of OO.o development wouldn't be an entirely negative thing

2008-07-28 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:20:12 AM -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: This remind me of the conference call we had with management at Sun and could personally confirm many fears from Sun on topics of ownership and managing criteria. Interesting. Would it be possible to know more about this?

Re: [discuss] My brilliant idea, that I had, will revolutionise everything - completely.

2008-07-21 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 12:47:29 PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: I see that the next step in the evolution of this product - the office suite, is to remove the limited multifunction's approach and to step into a universal full functionality approach. That's the Windows approach. Windows users

Re: [discuss] Re: Re: .doc compatibility

2008-02-25 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, February 25, 2008 7:51 am, jonathon wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:14 PM, M. Fioretti wrote: - being sent to MS Office users who edit it as they please If the users did use styles with MSO, those styles would be available in ODF, albeit with a different name. If they did

Re: [discuss] Re: .doc compatibility

2008-02-24 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 17:49:42 PM +, jonathon wrote: (four times) Styles are not being correctly used. since this, even outside of this thread, is one of the most frequent issues, then maybe OOo/ODF styles are very poorly advertised and documented, but this is a side topic. The OP clearly

Re: [discuss] Re: Re: .doc compatibility

2008-02-24 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 09:13:41 AM +1300, Graham Lauder wrote: As Jonathon noted, training in the use of Stylist would probably have sorted the issue. I had asked explicitly: M. Fioretti wrote: maybe this is not really a case where OOo/ODF styles aren't correctly used: this is a case

[discuss] Re: [users] List Proposal [Was: James K., may you please stop sending answers without meaningful subjects?]

2008-01-23 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 13:32:53 PM +1100, Dave Barton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Having been subscribed to this list almost from it's inception, I have seen this this argument/issue raised ad-nauseam, so I have avoided buying into the recent exchanges. Now I would like to put forward a proposal

Re: [discuss] New to the group

2008-01-13 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 19:46:46 PM -0500, Twayne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: New OOo user with some past experience several years ago. welcome! First time visitor here, checking to see if 1. my posts will make it, and 2., to ask a question: I am subbed to this group and the '... .questions'

Re: [discuss] Auto Responder - The right way to stop it

2007-12-13 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, December 13, 2007 9:30 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CAN YOU PLEASE STOP YOUR E-MAIL Ann, please do not write all in uppercase, as these guys are doing, at least on public lists. It is not considered equivalent to shouting, ie not polite, and several studies proves that makes text harder

Re: [discuss] FAQs

2007-12-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 11:34:45 AM -0600, Robert Derman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Joseph Hurd wrote: You may want to put a statement somewhere that Open Office can be installed with MS Word on the same computer at the same time. Joseph Hurd The only thing that limits being able to put ANY

Re: [discuss] Re: Using www.openoffice.org -- The Flustered Factor ?!

2007-11-07 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 12:39:16 PM -0500, William Case ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It is frustrating because I diligently went to www.openoffice.org and then discuss@openoffice.org, joining the discuss mailing list. Now I am being told to go elsewhere. It is exactly the type of confusion I was

Re: [discuss] Re: Using www.openoffice.org -- The Flustered Factor ?!

2007-11-06 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 23:24:19 PM -0500, William Case ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Being flustered has turned to being frustrated. This is the third set of sites I have been told to join before anyone will open a discussion on how OOo might be better sold. sorry, why does this frustrate you?

Re: [discuss] users mailing list issues

2007-10-12 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 11:33:27 AM +0100, mike scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Mike, nothing written below is intended as an attack or a critique against you personally, of course. As far as I remember, you weren't around the last time I raised these issues. Your message, however, seems to call

Re: [discuss] Please Unsubscribe:

2007-10-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 10:21:53 AM +0530, Saurabhk Mishra ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi, Please unsubscribe me from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Saurabhk, almost every mailing list in the world is automated. No other list _subscriber_ can do this for you. Now, every email you get from

Re: [discuss] I want to start a campaign in Canada, to encourage Federal and Provincial governments to switch to Open Office

2007-09-30 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 09:30:10 AM -0700, Sheila Bliesath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I am wondering if you have a letter that would hit the high points of why governments should switch in a one page document. Sheila, the high point of why governments should switch to OpenOffice is simply the

[discuss] Re: [URGENT RFE] Easing quick adoption of OpenDocument Format till February

2007-09-07 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, September 6, 2007 7:19 pm, Răzvan Sandu wrote: Hello Marco and all, it becomes increasingly critical that we *quickly* migrate from binary Microsoft documents... directly to ODF In case it weren't clear enough from my initial answer, I agree on the fact that it is crucial to

Re: [discuss] [URGENT RFE] Easing quick adoption of OpenDocument Format till February

2007-09-06 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, September 6, 2007 4:12 pm, Răzvan Sandu wrote: Since it's my first post on this list, please let me introduce myself: Răzvan Sandu In the light of recent events - rejection of OOXML by ISO - I've discussed with many people on http://www.nooxml.org . They pointed me to this list

Re: [discuss] [URGENT RFE] Easing quick adoption of OpenDocument Format till February

2007-09-06 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 18:02:48 PM +0300, Nicu Buculei ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: 2) About corporate servers filtering incoming mail: if what you want is to make ODF the only format worldwide (and I agree on this) it is much more technically sound and light

Re: [discuss] Helloo

2007-08-12 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 01:05:42 AM +0100, Paul Campbell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Advance fee fraud Don't bother replying to this guy. No, but maybe a couple of suggestions won't hurt: 1) you did a reply-all, both to the list and to that Mr, Pete address. Remember not to do it next time

Re: [discuss] AA dumps Open Offi ce, buys Microsoft for ‘compatibility’

2007-07-22 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 15:42:04 PM +0300, Lars Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: Forgetting this fact of life is an all too common mistakes of several FOSS advocates, who fail to reach people because they seem always to give for granted that everybody _loves_ software

Re: [discuss] AA dumps Open Offi ce, buys Microsoft for ‘compatibility’

2007-07-20 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 13:29:07 PM +0300, Lars Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: jonathon wrote: If the only solution you will accept is a monolithic solution... There's the psychology of it. Many C*Os think of technology as a monolith and, if not, are attracted to the thought anyway.

Re: [discuss] Updates..

2007-07-01 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 09:17:06 AM +, jonathon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: - A better way of showing 'what's changed' than Release notes just referencing bug numbers Would you rather that the entire bug report was cut and pasted there? Or are you advocating that people be unable to figure

Re: [discuss] Re: openoffice mail

2007-06-23 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 02:34:09 AM -0500, Alexandro Colorado ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:21:44 -0500, Cor Nouws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: André Wyrwa wrote: maybe it's time to look at the real issues that this thread started off of? The major one being that users request

Re: [discuss] Re: openoffice mail

2007-06-23 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 02:30:56 AM -0500, Alexandro Colorado ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I am just stating the facts, developers do stuff because they want to and they think is cool, which might not be very cool or useful to the users. Then how can you keep saying that in FOSS users must be

Re: [discuss] Re: openoffice mail

2007-06-21 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 00:39:26 AM -0600, Larry Gusaas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: FOSS is not just about requesting something but doing it yourself. So are you saying that if I can't program or provide a programmer I shouldn't use FOSS? That is pretty narrow minded. No, more like: if

Re: [discuss] Re: openoffice mail

2007-06-21 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 02:59:06 AM -0500, Alexandro Colorado ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Great marco except that someone in the end has to code this things if we want them to move forward. This is a great answer for the user, but not a great answer for the product. I was NOT saying that users

Re: [discuss] Re: openoffice mail

2007-06-21 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 03:16:40 AM -0500, Alexandro Colorado ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Here is where you are wrong. Developers don't have to code to fit users need. Developers code because they want to and to make technological difference. Here you ignore, for example, students developing

Re: [discuss] openoffice mail

2007-06-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 00:17:51 AM -0500, Robert Derman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I know that this lack of a suitable Outlook replacement is the last major thing standing in the way of many Fortune 500 companies adopting OOo. While do I agree that the current FLOSS alternatives are not really

Re: [discuss] openoffice mail

2007-06-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 19:37:52 PM +0200, Tomas Lanczos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: THE reason #1 why many Fortune 500 companies don't adopt OOo yet is the simple fact that they still have to keep, modify and exchange millions of legacy files in proprietary MS Office formats

Re: [discuss] Small adoption issue

2007-05-07 Thread M. Fioretti
Doug, a couple of general comments: On Sun, May 06, 2007 12:44:29 PM -0700, Doug Koup ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I understand all the advantages of the open formats. I also understand that these formats will never be used unless people give up the crutch that is proprietary formats. Sadly,

[discuss] On a Wikipedia plugin, was: New Feature Request

2007-03-14 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 15:52:55 PM -0600, Florencio Marchelli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: a) The Wikipedia Connection Just Alt-Click (or any combination you prefer) over a word or marked text and OO will open Wikipedia with the definition (if any) for the selection. All of us have found

Re: [discuss] standardizing Business Intelligence data in ODF

2007-02-08 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 13:49:59 PM +0100, Peter Vandenabeele ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What would be the right place to discuss the standardization of Business Intelligence data in ODF ? What I mean is e.g. the use case where a document that is representing a PO (Purchase Order), uses some

Re: [discuss] Project Proposal : ODF Toolkit

2007-01-18 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 09:46:45 AM +0100, Kai Sommerfeld ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The new project makes the connection between OOo and ODF crisp and clear, but we do not want every user of the toolkit to become an OOo expert. As Ian already pointed out, the connection has _always_ been crisp

Re: [discuss] Re: [ui-dev] Proposing a new User Experience project on OOo

2007-01-18 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 01:36:36 AM +0100, Christoph Noack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm not sure about the next one: I'd like to see some kind of Issuezilla topic to collect issues that cover the perception of the user. [...] I don't think that the difference between UI/UX is obvious to the

Re: [discuss] OpenOffice set Qualifications

2006-11-10 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 11:45:20 AM +, Chris Bradley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was wondering if somewhere in the pipeline you have thought about having a Qualification that States that you Are able to Use, Install and troubleshoot a set version of open office. Besides the Ingots, which

Re: [discuss] New idea to compete with Microsoft Office Power Point

2006-10-14 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 11:46:32 AM +0200, Cor Nouws ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Max Vallejo Reyna wrote: posiblility in Impress to export the presentations into a new format: a executable windows EXE, wich may contain the presentation with an integrated Open Office viewer, so we will not need

Re: [discuss] New idea to compete with Microsoft Office Power Point

2006-10-14 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 09:19:12 AM -0500, Max Vallejo Reyna ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, i have a question: are you sure it will be smaller (in space) to carry the presentation AND the portable version of Open Office. This includes writer, base, impress, etc. Cmon, partners, obviously, a

Re: [discuss] OpenOffice online - the future or now?

2006-09-23 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 11:11:26 AM +1000, Sandy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ask any business owner if they are going to like processing theirs or their customers data on an Internet connection and a server which may even be in a foreign country. As a former business owner, I don't see a problem.

Re: [discuss] OpenOffice online - the future or now?

2006-09-21 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 20:27:01 PM +1000, Terry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I begin to wonder, when people no longer need to download, install and update, such software themselves, how many will continue to do so. Probably a lot. Online apps and file storage are enough when one is not concerned

Re: [discuss] OpenOffice online - the future or now?

2006-09-21 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 07:48:20 AM +1000, Sandy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I doubt that will be an issue for most people. ask any business owner if they are going to like processing theirs or their customers data on an Internet connection and a server which may even be in a foreign country. Now

Re: [discuss] SourceForge jobs

2006-09-13 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 03:19:34 AM -0400, Lars D. Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What I am talking about is that software is a tool. It is a tool to help with teaching or research. or many other jobs without equally far-reaching, ethicallly important implications. Which makes my point below

Re: [discuss] Re: Ooo lists publishing subscribers IP addresses, was: hi I need you to fix...

2006-09-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 17:05:52 PM +1000, Terry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Do you have that much sway with your ISP? Of course not. But the right thing to do, if one is really bothered, is still to complain publicly if they screw, and switch, complaining publicly again, if they keep doing it. I

Re: [discuss] Re: Ooo lists publishing subscribers IP addresses, was: hi I need you to fix...

2006-09-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 17:21:48 PM +1000, Terry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thanks for the information. I do not altogether understand it but I think I have personally settled on a procedure to reduce the risk of spam. I don't want to go through the procedure, again, of eliminating an email

Re: [discuss] Re: Ooo lists publishing subscribers IP addresses, was: hi I need you to fix...

2006-09-03 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 16:45:39 PM -0700, NoOp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I don't receive a local copy as I only access via the gmane nntp server. However, when I look at your msg source via gmane those IP's etc are _not_ shown. So what is being put on the archives is more extensive than what

[discuss] Ooo lists publishing subscribers IP addresses, was: hi I need you to fix...

2006-09-02 Thread M. Fioretti
General note: giving meaningful subjects to email posted to public lists greatly increases the number of people who will actually read it. Hi, I need you to fix... is useless, I opened this message by mistake, many other subscribers probably ignored it. Which is bad, because the problem is real

[discuss] The Greatest FUD of ALL: Th ank you Louis Suárez-Potts

2006-08-17 Thread M. Fioretti
An interesting piece: http://steve.zaske.com/?p=23 by a programmer working on the next version of MS Office (http://steve.zaske.com/?page_id=2) Ciao, Marco -- Marco Fiorettimfioretti, at the server mclink.it Fedora Core 5 for low memory

Re: [discuss] Anonymizing documents for QA bug reporting

2006-07-20 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 11:41:16 AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi, I have several complex corp documents which make OO.o go crazy one way or another. I'd like to report the bugs to get them fixed, but OO.o devs will just ignore me without test documents and there's no

Re: [discuss] Anonymizing documents for QA bug reporting

2006-07-20 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 20:39:38 PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: For once we disagree No problem, it happens to outstanding minds :-) With respect to your remark that theory is greatly different from practice and that: So as long as you don't get caught and don't crash your

Re: [discuss] Anonymizing documents for QA bug reporting

2006-07-20 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 23:38:37 PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not surprising, it only reflects the tester/average user ratio. Do you want to make tester life easier, because they are few and you need to nurture them, or do you want to discriminate against them because

Re: [discuss] The best way to answer questions on this list

2006-04-15 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 11:41:21 AM +, CPHennessy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 2) Many will not even know that discuss@openoffice.org is a mailing list, nor even how a mailing list works   [...] 4) We should also CC: the posters of messages that contain a Delivered-to: moderator header since

Re: [discuss] Short list with Pro's Cons

2006-04-13 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 00:43:30 AM +0200, Cor Nouws ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Cor Nouws wrote: I'm interested in a *short* list with the main functional pro's and con's of OOo compared to MsO. It's been a while agoo, but finaly I found some time to get the information (started 17-1-05)

Re: [discuss] Re: [users] OpenOffice and disabled users must learn to communicate

2006-03-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 13:17:29 PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Another part is lack of involvment of disabled persons. [...] If disabled people are unhappy with FOSS, they need to get involved. But they will never get involved until the FOSS community looks at the problem

Re: [discuss] Re: [users] OpenOffice and disabled users must learn to communicate

2006-03-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 14:08:20 PM -0500, Chad Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm not saying all this is right, all the contrary. I have criticized explicitly this attitude in the article. But until one denies that the real problem is this, nothing serious will change. I'm confused by

[discuss] OpenOffice and disabled users must learn to communicate

2006-03-18 Thread M. Fioretti
Greetings, here is an article of mine on this subject: http://software.newsforge.com/software/06/03/13/1628249.shtml?tid=150 Ciao, Marco -- Marco Fiorettimfioretti, at the server mclink.it Fedora Core 4 for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/ Reality is

Re: [discuss] Article: University Rectors in Italy Promoting Proprietary Software

2005-12-20 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 05:54:25 AM -0500, Lars D. Noodén ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Many of these MS press releases and derivative articles aren't addressing the extreme proprietary nature of the MSO 2003 formats. Nor do they address the various hooks into MS server-based services. Nor do

Re: [discuss] registered letters

2005-12-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 15:21:52 PM +0100, Gigi Bigio ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dear Sirs, since a few months ago the Italian Post Office services have allowed users to send Registered letters through PCs. This useful programme however only works if Microsoft Word and Excell are installed.

Re: [discuss] Re: Official request for rectification of Mr. Andrew Brown's article

2005-12-13 Thread M. Fioretti
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 11:35:34 AM -0800, Jonathon Blake ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Jacqueleine wrote: Please remember that we are all *real* people on the other end of these It would be really nice if the people responding to things filed in Issuezilla acted the same way. [The comments

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