Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-07 Thread Dave
On 6/7/2012 8:46 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 7 June 2012 13:03, John Thornton wrote: > >> I >> think I'll just leave it at 208. >> > Does that give you a Wye/Star to connect to ground? > > Why not run it 440 star and leave out the step-up transformer? > > That reactor is specific to

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-07 Thread andy pugh
On 7 June 2012 13:03, John Thornton wrote: > I > think I'll just leave it at 208. Does that give you a Wye/Star to connect to ground? Why not run it 440 star and leave out the step-up transformer? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-07 Thread Dave
Nice. I have a Deutz engine on an air compressor. They are very reliable. A 12 wire is the ultimate setup. Can't go wrong with that. That engine should sip fuel. Dave On 6/7/2012 8:03 AM, John Thornton wrote: > Well I have convinced myself that having a standby generator of > sufficient siz

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-07 Thread John Thornton
Well I have convinced myself that having a standby generator of sufficient size to run the whole house is a good thing. I am now the owner of a 15Kw 2cyl deutz diesel generator. It is a 12 wire generator and at the moment it is set up for 208 120. After reading some on the different wiring sche

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-06 Thread John Thornton
There was never any intentions on keeping the rigged up generator it was just for a short test to try and prove a point. The only thing the throttle man had was the DMM as the power unit didn't have a tachometer (had the cable hanging out). Both meters on the generator were broken as well... pr

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-05 Thread Dave
On 6/5/2012 4:32 PM, gene heskett wrote: > On Tuesday, June 05, 2012 04:22:05 PM John Thornton did opine: > > >> This was just a cobbled up gen set with a diesel power unit like the >> kind you see pumping water in a farmers field with a generator from a >> river tug and a driveshaft. There was

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-05 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, June 05, 2012 04:22:05 PM John Thornton did opine: > This was just a cobbled up gen set with a diesel power unit like the > kind you see pumping water in a farmers field with a generator from a > river tug and a driveshaft. There was no feedback from the generator > other than the DMM

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-05 Thread John Thornton
This was just a cobbled up gen set with a diesel power unit like the kind you see pumping water in a farmers field with a generator from a river tug and a driveshaft. There was no feedback from the generator other than the DMM that the throttle man watched and tried to keep it at 240v... John

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-05 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:58:41 AM John Thornton did opine: > Dennis, > > It was all we could do to run it for 10 minutes and keep it anywhere > near 1800 RPM... a real circus that was. > > John The governors on a Cummins 335 we had at KXNE-TV, with a 150kw alternator on it, was much closer

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-05 Thread Dave
Sounds like you missed a good opportunity to become a Youtube star - at least for the technically minded. ;-) Dave On 6/5/2012 6:51 AM, John Thornton wrote: > Dennis, > > It was all we could do to run it for 10 minutes and keep it anywhere > near 1800 RPM... a real circus that was. > > John > >

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-05 Thread John Thornton
Dennis, It was all we could do to run it for 10 minutes and keep it anywhere near 1800 RPM... a real circus that was. John On 6/4/2012 1:48 PM, ceen...@in-front.com wrote: > Did John run it for an hour or longer to be able to repeat the "only one hour > run time situation"? I forgot what the

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread Jon Elson
ceen...@in-front.com wrote: > Did John run it for an hour or longer to be able to repeat the "only one hour > run time situation"? I forgot what the capacity of the borrowed generator > was to compare it to a 15HP weak leg system. Even if the generator varied in > speed and voltage when loaded

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread John Thornton
You should have seen that redneck circus... that was funny trying to keep the power unit running anything near 1800 RPM with no frequency feedback. John On 6/4/2012 1:12 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > ceen...@in-front.com wrote: >> Hi John, >> >> Too bad you can't connect your machine to a solid 3-ph l

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread dave
On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 14:34:20 -0400 gene heskett wrote: > On Monday, June 04, 2012 02:09:42 PM Dave did opine: > > > You need a shop cat! Unfortunately shop cats are not effective > > deterrents to raccoons and possums. > > > That depends on the cat. I met my first maine coon in about '61.

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread ceenbot
Did John run it for an hour or longer to be able to repeat the "only one hour run time situation"? I forgot what the capacity of the borrowed generator was to compare it to a 15HP weak leg system. Even if the generator varied in speed and voltage when loaded, one thing should be fairly certain

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, June 04, 2012 02:42:15 PM John Thornton did opine: > My meter is a Fluke 75 rated at 1000vdc and 750vac so I should be ok... > I've had it connected to the 600vdc buss before for quite some time when > messing about with the RPC a few weeks ago. > > John [...] That should be ok, but m

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, June 04, 2012 02:09:42 PM Dave did opine: > You need a shop cat! Unfortunately shop cats are not effective > deterrents to raccoons and possums. > That depends on the cat. I met my first maine coon in about '61. My dog at the time, an 85 lb German Shepherd bitch, had a hate for

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread Jon Elson
ceen...@in-front.com wrote: > Hi John, > > Too bad you can't connect your machine to a solid 3-ph line to see if the > same issue happens regardless of the power source. He ran it on a Diesel generator, and it did NOT trip. So, it is SOMTHING about the power source. Jon ---

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread Dave
I use a Fluke 77 for the same thing and I have never had any problems yet also. Dave On 6/4/2012 11:59 AM, John Thornton wrote: > My meter is a Fluke 75 rated at 1000vdc and 750vac so I should be ok... > I've had it connected to the 600vdc buss before for quite some time when > messing about wit

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread John Thornton
My meter is a Fluke 75 rated at 1000vdc and 750vac so I should be ok... I've had it connected to the 600vdc buss before for quite some time when messing about with the RPC a few weeks ago. John On 6/4/2012 8:23 AM, gene heskett wrote: > On Monday, June 04, 2012 08:58:57 AM Dave did opine: > >>

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread Dave
You need a shop cat! Unfortunately shop cats are not effective deterrents to raccoons and possums. But I don't have any mice... ;-) Dave On 6/4/2012 9:52 AM, ceen...@in-front.com wrote: > Hi John, > > Too bad you can't connect your machine to a solid 3-ph line to see if the > same issue h

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread Dave
You just need yet another manual! ;-) Its all there, on the web, someplace. The trick is finding it. :-) http://www.automation.siemens.com/doconweb/pdf/840C_1101_E/611a_iaa.pdf?p=1 Page 8/48 says that a 3 on the drive module display is a motor overheat situation. I'm not sure if this man

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread ceenbot
Hi John, Too bad you can't connect your machine to a solid 3-ph line to see if the same issue happens regardless of the power source. I had a handful of issues with my '86 VMC like loose PC boards, oxidized connectors, etc. Now that it gets more use it seems to be doing better. Keeping the c

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, June 04, 2012 08:58:57 AM Dave did opine: > If you can, pull off the bus covers and attach some wires to the bus and > alligator clip to those wires with a good multimeter and leave it set on > Volts DC while you run the machine. Be careful though as cheap jumper > leads are probably n

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread John Thornton
My DMM leads have alligator clips so that is not a problem to watch the DC buss while running. At least when the Z move to clear position is about to fault out I have a second or two notice with the tone change to try and focus on the DMM readout. John On 6/4/2012 7:41 AM, Dave wrote: > If you

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread John Thornton
After the trip yesterday the only lights on the infeed unit that was on was 3 external enable not present and 4 DC link charged. The spindle drive lcd was 6 iirc and the Z was 3. I could not find anything on what the drive lcd's mean. I'm not having any luck in borrowing an isolation transforme

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread Dave
If you can, pull off the bus covers and attach some wires to the bus and alligator clip to those wires with a good multimeter and leave it set on Volts DC while you run the machine. Be careful though as cheap jumper leads are probably not good for 600 volts. But most machine tool wire ( the hea

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-04 Thread John Thornton
Yesterday I made some parts and had a giant fan on the drive to see if it is a cooling problem. After about an hour or so the drive tripped out. I forgot to mention that the only thing moving during these faults is the Z axis and it is moving up ie the most loaded direction. Of course I can mak

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-03 Thread Dave
Hi John, On the top of section 6.3 in the PDF manual it says: "A switch S1 is provided on the upper side of the NE and monitoring module that is used to set the following functions (for UI 5 kW on the front side):" Below that line it shows the meanings of the dipswitch settings. The "NE" is th

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-03 Thread Jon Elson
John Thornton wrote: > Currently with the 10hp idler and the Samson lathe running as a second > idler and the 611 in the BP 308 on I have the voltage balanced at 245 > between all three phases give or take one volt. The VMC will make parts > and run at 2k with full rapid speeds or ramp up with G

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-03 Thread John Thornton
My infeed looks like Fig 6-2 on page 6-143. John On 6/3/2012 9:44 AM, Dave wrote: > What is your S1-3 dipswitch switch settings on the infeed module? Do > you have regeneration back into the line turned on? > > That might be a situation that could cause thermal issues in the infeed > with the p

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-03 Thread John Thornton
I have verified that the infeed and the spindle drive internal fans are working and blow air nicely out of the top. I can not however find any dip switches on the infeed unit. I turned on all the lights and got a flash light... in the manual it shows some of the units have the dip's on the fron

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-03 Thread John Thornton
I can't honestly say if the lights are the same, but I'll notice from now on. BTW, the bottom 4 leds were lit up on the infeed unit the last time I checked after a fault. The unit itself does have a fan plus a fan in the door in front of the 611. The internal fan was pretty gummed up when I rep

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-03 Thread Dave
What is your S1-3 dipswitch switch settings on the infeed module? Do you have regeneration back into the line turned on? That might be a situation that could cause thermal issues in the infeed with the phase converter setup. I think the infeed might have some big problems trying to regenerat

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-03 Thread Dave
Are the lights on the infeed unit when a drive fault occurs identical to what you saw before? >>So now I'm thinking that there might be an actual problem in the infeed unit because once it starts to trip out if I reset the machine and start running again it trips out real fast.<< This sounds l

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-03 Thread John Thornton
On 6/2/2012 2:14 PM, Dave wrote: > Unfortunately if he buys a transformer it still might not work. That > is why I would try and borrow one before opening my wallet for $1400. I hope to borrow one before dumping more cash into this machine, as stiff as the phase converter is not I'm wondering

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-03 Thread John Thornton
Currently with the 10hp idler and the Samson lathe running as a second idler and the 611 in the BP 308 on I have the voltage balanced at 245 between all three phases give or take one volt. The VMC will make parts and run at 2k with full rapid speeds or ramp up with G code to 6k and run about an

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-03 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
Yep, that about covers it. ;-) Mark On 6/2/2012 7:54 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Heh! > Wife = transformer? > Power = money? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 6:14 AM, "Mark Wendt > (Contractor)" wrote: > > >> On 6/2/2012 6:35 AM, John Thornton wrote: >> >>> After some c

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread Dave
On 6/2/2012 12:41 PM, gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:40:14 AM Dave did opine: > > >> On 6/1/2012 6:52 PM, gene heskett wrote: >> >>> On Friday, June 01, 2012 06:50:05 PM John Thornton did opine: >>> I posted on the C(ommerical)NCZone and a guy there says

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: > > > Well, at some point it should become a discussion where the cost of > switching the drives out for something that can tolerate a softer regulated > power supply source is becoming one possible solution. Well, this seems premature. This machine ALMOST works. I have not

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:40:14 AM Dave did opine: > On 6/1/2012 6:52 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > On Friday, June 01, 2012 06:50:05 PM John Thornton did opine: > >> I posted on the C(ommerical)NCZone and a guy there says those drives > >> are rated for a 3% inductance wye isolation transformer

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread Dave
>>This drive wants balanced voltage and wants an unlimited supply of it now!<< Ha ha ... yep. The 611 is a high performance drive system. For comparison sakes, lets compare the 611 drive system to a hot motorcycle engine that has an 11.5:1 compression ratio. You bought the motorcycle as it is

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread Dave
On 6/1/2012 6:52 PM, gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, June 01, 2012 06:50:05 PM John Thornton did opine: > > >> I posted on the C(ommerical)NCZone and a guy there says those drives are >> rated for a 3% inductance wye isolation transformer. >> >> John >> >> > BS alert there John. 3% of wh

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Heh! Wife = transformer? Power = money? Sent from my iPad On Jun 2, 2012, at 6:14 AM, "Mark Wendt (Contractor)" wrote: > On 6/2/2012 6:35 AM, John Thornton wrote: >> After some checking most transformers show the percent of inductance on >> the label. Some are 2.5% some are 4.~%. Basically the

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread Erik Christiansen
A late reply, due to a week spent out on the farm, making sawdust instead of swarf, and dodging a wombat who's taken up residence in the home paddock. (He doesn't understand that he's supposed to be nocturnal, not strolling about in the middle of the afternoon in bright sunlight.) On 25.05.12 06:0

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, June 02, 2012 06:55:30 AM John Thornton did opine: > I just pulled that feed rate out of my ear, assuming if you actually > tried to cut you would replace it with a feed rate that worked for you. > > John The 45 I made had very poor quadrature, but the bits I ordered from MCT arriv

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
On 6/2/2012 6:35 AM, John Thornton wrote: > After some checking most transformers show the percent of inductance on > the label. Some are 2.5% some are 4.~%. Basically the 611 drive is a > poorly designed drive as the power requirements are very strict. This > drive wants balanced voltage and wants

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread John Thornton
After some checking most transformers show the percent of inductance on the label. Some are 2.5% some are 4.~%. Basically the 611 drive is a poorly designed drive as the power requirements are very strict. This drive wants balanced voltage and wants an unlimited supply of it now! John On 6/1/2

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread John Thornton
I just pulled that feed rate out of my ear, assuming if you actually tried to cut you would replace it with a feed rate that worked for you. John On 6/1/2012 5:44 PM, gene heskett wrote: > John T.: I did a short pass with your code, cutting 2 slots. Feed way too > fast, the slots were badly S

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-02 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 29.05.12 06:57, John Thornton wrote: > There is no N connection on the transformer so I remain confused as well > and I'm on my second cup of joe. I didn't measure the 390v to ground but > I assume one leg is pretty high, but I can wander out and measure it > easy enough. It is 40 years sinc

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:22:59 AM Jon Elson did opine: > gene heskett wrote: > > On Friday, June 01, 2012 06:50:05 PM John Thornton did opine: > >> I posted on the C(ommerical)NCZone and a guy there says those drives > >> are rated for a 3% inductance wye isolation transformer. > >> > >> Joh

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, June 01, 2012 06:50:05 PM John Thornton did opine: > > >> I posted on the C(ommerical)NCZone and a guy there says those drives are >> rated for a 3% inductance wye isolation transformer. >> >> John >> > BS alert there John. 3% of what? Without a frame of re

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread dave
On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:04:23 -0400 gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, June 01, 2012 07:03:18 PM andy pugh did opine: > > > On 1 June 2012 23:44, gene heskett wrote: > > > I personally have not had that great an experience at getting > > > superglue to let go with acetone. > > > > I glued in my en

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, June 01, 2012 07:03:18 PM andy pugh did opine: > On 1 June 2012 23:44, gene heskett wrote: > > I personally have not had that great an experience at getting > > superglue to let go with acetone. > > I glued in my encoder disc (see earlier picture) then found I needed > it out again. >

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, June 01, 2012 07:00:33 PM Joseph Chiu did opine: > Hi, > I'm a complete newb on this particular topic, and may not have read > all the fine details, but it seems like this might be something better > suited to photoresist/chemical etching, rather than using bits to try > to mill out the

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, June 01, 2012 06:50:05 PM John Thornton did opine: > I posted on the C(ommerical)NCZone and a guy there says those drives are > rated for a 3% inductance wye isolation transformer. > > John > BS alert there John. 3% of what? Without a frame of reference you may as well be shopping f

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread dave
On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:19:24 -0700 Joseph Chiu wrote: > Hi, > I'm a complete newb on this particular topic, and may not have read > all the fine details, but it seems like this might be something better > suited to photoresist/chemical etching, rather than using bits to try > to mill out the inter

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread andy pugh
On 1 June 2012 23:44, gene heskett wrote: > I personally have not had that great an experience at getting superglue to > let go with acetone. I glued in my encoder disc (see earlier picture) then found I needed it out again. Luckily heating to 200C released it, with no damage. And that was only

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, June 01, 2012 06:18:41 PM Greg Bernard did opine: > Gene- > You could hold your stock down easily with super glue and then use > acetone to release it like this: > http://millpcbs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Ite > mid=63 . I personally have not had that great an

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread andy pugh
On 1 June 2012 21:19, Joseph Chiu wrote: > I'm a complete newb on this particular topic, and may not have read > all the fine details, but it seems like this might be something better > suited to photoresist/chemical etching, rather than using bits to try > to mill out the interruptor disks?  Or

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread Joseph Chiu
Hi, I'm a complete newb on this particular topic, and may not have read all the fine details, but it seems like this might be something better suited to photoresist/chemical etching, rather than using bits to try to mill out the interruptor disks? Or perhaps laser cut sheets, like the kinds used f

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread John Thornton
I posted on the C(ommerical)NCZone and a guy there says those drives are rated for a 3% inductance wye isolation transformer. John On 5/31/2012 3:20 PM, Dave wrote: > They really don't have to be, but they should probably both be larger > than 10 KVA. If you have one that was 30 KVA and another

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread Greg Bernard
n out before we tackle that. -Thomas Edison, inventor (1847-1931) > > From: gene heskett >To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 7:28 AM >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor > >On Friday, June 01, 2012 07:20:37

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, June 01, 2012 08:59:21 AM John Thornton did opine: > On 6/1/2012 7:28 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > On Friday, June 01, 2012 07:20:37 AM John Thornton did opine: > >> No wonder that file takes so long it makes one pass at the OD > >> > > :) To check fixture clearances. > > : > >> then >

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, June 01, 2012 08:50:05 AM John Thornton did opine: > Gene, > > I used debug to capture the path of the first slot and put it into my > subroutine. Run the following in sim and see what you think. Even at F2 > and 0.001" DOC one slot only takes a smidgen over 2 minutes to cut in my > si

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread John Thornton
On 6/1/2012 7:28 AM, gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, June 01, 2012 07:20:37 AM John Thornton did opine: > >> No wonder that file takes so long it makes one pass at the OD > :) To check fixture clearances. > >> then >> rapids to a slot makes one pass then rapids to the next slot... then >> rapids

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, June 01, 2012 07:20:37 AM John Thornton did opine: > No wonder that file takes so long it makes one pass at the OD :) To check fixture clearances. > then > rapids to a slot makes one pass then rapids to the next slot... then > rapids to the holes then rapids to the ID. And wow is it c

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread John Thornton
Gene, I used debug to capture the path of the first slot and put it into my subroutine. Run the following in sim and see what you think. Even at F2 and 0.001" DOC one slot only takes a smidgen over 2 minutes to cut in my sim. F2 T1 M6 G43 # = -0.025 # = 0.001 G0 X1.1 Y0 Z0.05 # = 0 G10 L2 P1

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread John Thornton
That is some interesting code for sure and I can understand why it takes so long making one pass over the whole thing with a tiny bit and lots of rapid moves. It would be better from a machining view to do the OD and ID with a larger endmill and drill the mounting holes then switch to the tiny

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-06-01 Thread John Thornton
No wonder that file takes so long it makes one pass at the OD then rapids to a slot makes one pass then rapids to the next slot... then rapids to the holes then rapids to the ID. And wow is it complicated and full of neat code. It would make much more sense from a machining view point to cut ea

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:29:49 PM John Thornton did opine: > Are you tapering the slots so the edges are perpendicular to the center? That was I believe the general idea, John. I have the next one about 1/3rd done, but the run time is nearly 4 hours as I had to slow it because I could see t

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:27:21 PM John Thornton did opine: > I might be able to scrounge another 240-480 transformer and put it with > the one I have to get back to 240... do you think they need to be > similar in size? > Only to the extent that the smaller one is big enough, John. [...] C

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread Dave
They really don't have to be, but they should probably both be larger than 10 KVA. If you have one that was 30 KVA and another that was 10KVA, I wouldn't hesitate to hook them together for a test. Although if you can trip out your 611 with only the spindle running and ramping up slowly, even

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
I'm not sure what the drives are as they are all in one modular unit and have interconnecting communications between the infeed unit and all the drives. My local voltage is 240 on the mains with 120 to neutral. I've not seen any inverters designed to take single phase in larger than 3hp, I have

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
Not too long ago I replaced every cap in the infeed unit, so I know they are all fresh. John On 5/31/2012 12:27 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > John Thornton wrote: >> The interesting >> thing that I discovered is if I start up the Samson lathe with the 611 >> on I get a fault and have to reset the dri

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
Well that and for fun too... but I do have a backlog of money to make... John On 5/31/2012 11:56 AM, gene heskett wrote: > On Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:53:37 PM John Thornton did opine: > >> A little update this morning after last night's experiments I built on >> that a bit this morning. I upped

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
Are you tapering the slots so the edges are perpendicular to the center? BTW, 60 slots with the subroutine is a piece of cake. If you can come up with the code to do one slot I can paste it in my subroutine and send it back. John On 5/31/2012 11:46 AM, gene heskett wrote: > On Thursday, May 31

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
I might be able to scrounge another 240-480 transformer and put it with the one I have to get back to 240... do you think they need to be similar in size? John On 5/31/2012 11:28 AM, Dave wrote: > Looks to me like it is more like a $1264 question. ;-) > > I don't know. That's why I would try

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread Dave
On 5/31/2012 1:33 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > John Thornton wrote: > >> $64 question will the isolation transformer do the same thing the 7.5hp >> spindle motor is doing on the Samson? >> >> > No, I do not think so. You may be able to tune this better with caps so > the generated leg > runs a

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread Les Newell
Are the servo drives 3-phase as well? If not it may be cheaper to replace the spindle drive with one that is a bit less touchy. My Colchester Triumph 2000 CNC lathe has an inverter designed to run off 415V 3-ph. I use a step-up transformer to take my 230V single phase mains up to 415V single ph

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread Jon Elson
John Thornton wrote: > $64 question will the isolation transformer do the same thing the 7.5hp > spindle motor is doing on the Samson? > No, I do not think so. You may be able to tune this better with caps so the generated leg runs a bit high at no load, and sags less at high load, and that m

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread Jon Elson
John Thornton wrote: > The interesting > thing that I discovered is if I start up the Samson lathe with the 611 > on I get a fault and have to reset the drive. This leads my tiny brain > to think that it is a voltage drop to some degree that is tripping out > the 611... what do you guys think?

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread Jon Elson
John Thornton wrote: > RPC only running AB=245 BC=253 AC=253 > With the BP 308 (Simodrive 611) powered up AB=245 BC=245 AC=245 > With the Samson 7.5hp manual lathe spindle at 660 RPM AB=244 BC=232 > Adding the 308's spindle at 1000 RPM AB=244 BC=234 AC=229 > Ramping up to 3000 RPM on the 308's spin

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:53:37 PM John Thornton did opine: > A little update this morning after last night's experiments I built on > that a bit this morning. I upped the MFD's on the B-C and A-C caps a > little at a time till I got close to what I think I wanted in voltage. > This is what I e

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:28:24 AM John Thornton did opine: > I'm sure fresh bearings would help the 15hp and it is a heavy duty TEFC > motor. I might pull it apart today and order some new ones... > > I didn't measure the temperature of the 10hp and only ran a few minutes > but I'll keep an e

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread Dave
Looks to me like it is more like a $1264 question. ;-) I don't know. That's why I would try and borrow one first. Know of any plants where you do work that has a spare transformer lying around? I've put a couple of them together before to get the right voltage.. IE 240 to 480 and then 480

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread Dave
>> ---Original Message--- >> From: Dave >> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor >> Sent: May 31 '12 09:43 >> >> You are probably right. When the drive load surges it is likely faulting &g

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
I just ran another program to drill and tap a slew of holes in a 1/2" steel plate with no problems except for I picked the 5/16-18 tap and drill for the 1/4-20 holes and proceeded to tap all 8 of them at the 20 TPI pitch... no biggie I'll tap them out to 3/8 and plug them and tap them over agai

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
I've caused my 10hp to "grunt" with a big load and it appears to slow down then get back up to speed. I've drawn my 3hp RPC down so far the potential relay kicked the start caps back in... it was at that point I knew I could not run my Enco in high speed from the 3hp RPC. The 15hp has a sizable

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 10:08 -0500, ceen...@in-front.com wrote: ... snip > I have not found that the rotary phase converter slows in RPM during > high low demands as it is still an asynchronous AC motor ... ... snip It's the velocity variation during a revolution that comes into play, although I ha

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread ceenbot
ginal Message--- > From: Dave > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor > Sent: May 31 '12 09:43 > > You are probably right. When the drive load surges it is likely faulting > out on what it thinks is a lost phase or

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread Dave
You are probably right. When the drive load surges it is likely faulting out on what it thinks is a lost phase or phase undervoltage. It might be interesting is to run this test again and put a clamp on ammeter on each leg feeding your Mill and see how balanced the currents are. I have never r

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
A little update this morning after last night's experiments I built on that a bit this morning. I upped the MFD's on the B-C and A-C caps a little at a time till I got close to what I think I wanted in voltage. This is what I ended up with... Phase ===> A-BB-CA-C Caps

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread ceenbot
: John Thornton > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor > Sent: May 31 '12 07:51 > > I'm sure fresh bearings would help the 15hp and it is a heavy duty TEFC > motor. I might pull it a

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
I'm sure fresh bearings would help the 15hp and it is a heavy duty TEFC motor. I might pull it apart today and order some new ones... I didn't measure the temperature of the 10hp and only ran a few minutes but I'll keep an eye on it. I didn't ask for taps on the transformer but it won't hurt to

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 07:34:36 AM John Thornton did opine: > Interestingly I had a bit of time last night and did some more voltage > measurements with various bits turned on to load the RPC. > > RPC only running AB=245 BC=253 AC=253 > With the BP 308 (Simodrive 611) powered up AB=245 BC=245

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
Interestingly I had a bit of time last night and did some more voltage measurements with various bits turned on to load the RPC. RPC only running AB=245 BC=253 AC=253 With the BP 308 (Simodrive 611) powered up AB=245 BC=245 AC=245 With the Samson 7.5hp manual lathe spindle at 660 RPM AB=244 BC=23

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
As an electrician I would agree with you normally. When you leave the world of power distribution and enter the world of electronics the "rules" might change. In any case I know Andy was just pulling my leg. John On 5/30/2012 8:29 PM, fritz wrote: > On 05/29/2012 12:07 PM, andy pugh wrote: >> O

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread John Thornton
That's a good idea, I don't hang out at the Zone any more but it's worth a shot. John On 5/30/2012 9:02 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > John Thornton wrote: >>From the tone of the tech's voice he hears this problem a lot with 611 >> drive and rotary phase converters. >> >> > Well, have you checked on

Re: [Emc-users] Commutating Reactor

2012-05-31 Thread andy pugh
On 31 May 2012 02:29, fritz wrote: > As an electrician, I should now interject that a neutral should only be > bonded at the point of distribution (the breaker panel or upstream > transformer). The point we are discussing grounding is equivalent to the transformer you mention, I think. In this

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