On Mar 26, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
> It's interesting to note how gas gauges are set up, psychologically. Here's
> one explanation:
>
> http://theappslab.com/2010/12/21/how-does-your-gas-gauge-really-work/
Somehow...I'm not surprised.
The newest car I own is a 1968 VW Westfali
On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
> That works for me, and it pretty much sums up what LEAF V1.5 (2013-2015)
> displays right now.
Good to know that it's a feature of one of the first-tier electric vehicles on
the market. Gives one hope that it'll be a standard long into the f
On Mar 26, 2015, at 7:23 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> The car or some big computer can't read you mind, so if it is going to make
> an informed, accurate estimate - you are going to have to tell it what your
> destination is. You want accuracy, you have to tell it what is going to
> happen.
On Mar 25, 2015, at 2:00 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> When it
> comes to estimating remaining range, the problem gets even more difficult.
I think that's where the real problems come in -- and they're the exact same
problems for any other vehicle.
Are the miles you're planning on d
On Mar 25, 2015, at 12:47 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> So maybe my analogy above is wrong. EVs vs ICEVs is more like satellite or
> digital radio vs traditional FM broadcast: they're better, all right, but
> they solve a problem that most users / buyers just don't care that much
>
On Mar 24, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> So which is better? 90% efficient
> for EVs versus 20% efficient for ICE.
...and that assumes that EVs are forever stuck with getting their electricity
from coal-fired plants. I'd bet a suitable beverage that coal represents the
minorit
On Mar 24, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> I'd like to run two mid sized motors. One on each rear wheel.
That's a very ambitious design. You need a controller that can coordinate the
power for each wheel to ensure the exact same amount of power on
straight-and-level pavement
On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:21 AM, tomw via EV wrote:
> http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/new-processing-technology-converts-packing-peanuts-to-battery-components.html
There's another point worth noting.
If this ever makes it to mass production, I'm reasonably sure the factory won't
be
On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
> A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as the
> research is from Purdue. Any opinions out there? I would love to have a way
> to recycle those peanuts.
>
> http://mobile.geek.com/latest/256277-scientists-realiz
On Mar 21, 2015, at 10:36 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
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> On 21 Mar 2015 at 9:04, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
>
>> So, really, the only question is whether the EV meets the necessary
>> specifications of range, load capacity, and that sort of thing. If it does,
>> it
On Mar 21, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Roland via EV wrote:
> Maybe other delivery companies may change there thinking.
For fixed-route fleet vehicles, so long as range and other capabilities are
adequate, you'd have to be nuts to go with anything other than electric. The
savings in fuel and maintenance
On Mar 19, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> (*) My ICE minivan purportedly gets 25mph. But in the city, with stop and
> go, it's about 12mpg.
My 1968 VW Westfalia does a lot better than 12 MPG even in the city
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On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
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> So, "not many [miles]," but "more in a day than they would be able to if
> this was an electric car."
I also got the distinct impression that he thinks that idling an electric
vehicle eats into available range.
His stuff about t
I'm certain this will be of at least equal, if not more, interest here.
I still say the major automakers are missing out on a gold mine by not yet
releasing relatively inexpensive electric-powered sports cars for the
testosterone-poisoned crowd. Perhaps this will help nudge them in that
directi
On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> However, fork lift batteries cost many thousands of dollars. And they weigh
> many times more than an EV pack. And yet they *do* routinely swap them anyway.
Yes and no.
The owners of the forklifts and the batteries swap the batteries in and
On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Jorg Brown via EV wrote:
> Fundamentally the problem is economics: in a car you have a $100 tank
> that you're filling up with $50 of fuel. But in an EV, you have a $40,000
> pack that you're filling up with $5 of fuel.
That's...that's an excellent observation that
On Mar 10, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> And the other error in my thinking is that MFR's simply are not going to
> make a NO-FRILLS 40 mile EV this early in the game
Actually...I rather suspect that, by the time we get to a true no-frills EV
from major manufacturers -- your
On Mar 9, 2015, at 8:09 PM, David Nelson via EV wrote:
> "If our vehicle owners customize our vehicles..."
>
> I thought when a vehicle was purchased and the owner held the title
> that the vehicle was no longer the manufacturers.
For ages, you haven't been able to buy software; you only buy a
On Mar 9, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> My answer: I'm waiting for a 40 mile BEV. The Prius 12mi is too short
> and both it and the VOLT haul along an entirely not needed ICE (adding
> $10k to the price) (I have 2 other salvage Prius for all the distance I
> need). And my
On Mar 6, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> Sure, different strokes for different folks, but EV enthusiasts are shooting
> us in the foot when they claim that EV's are no viable until they have 200
> mile batteries!
That's not at all what I and others are doing.
If you re-read my not
l
>> she needs is 80. As with everything else, there needs to be a variety.
>> The smart EV shopper buys the -smallest- battery that meets her daily
>> need. Paying for a 200 mile battery is like commuting 10 miles a day
>> and
>> dropping off the kids in a hummer.
&g
On Mar 6, 2015, at 2:19 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> [T]he kind of developments being researched by BASF could very well pave the
> way to cars that could travel more than 1,000 miles on a battery pack the
> same size as the ones in today’s mid-priced electric cars.
I'm sure we'll never see si
If there isn't, there soon will be.
(And, yes, there's Barstow and Baker...and, curiously enough, that I wasn't
aware of before glancing at the map just now, the Ivanpah Solar Electric
Generating System is just on the California side of the border north of the 15.)
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On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:47
On Feb 12, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> It is clear that it is possible to build a practical solar vehicle.
Not only that, it's downright common. I'd venture to suggest that the majority
of EVs on the road today are probably solar powered. At the very least, a
significant
On Feb 12, 2015, at 8:08 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> They offer something that dramatically and powerfully compensates for the
> utility handicap
I think that recent viral video of the Tesla trouncing the Dodge in a drag
race, especially accompanied by the other videos of, for exam
On Feb 6, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Am preparing a talk for this weekend about the unbelievable economics of
> solar power where I always stress the economics all comes from the absence
> of any BATTERY storage expense and the 95% efficiency of grid-tie and
> annual storag
On Feb 4, 2015, at 12:27 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> While some people may resist self-driving, autonomous vehicles, at some
> point there could seriously be a paradigm shift when an owner could let a
> company take control of their EV when they are not using it.
Robots are *very* rapidly chang
On Jan 24, 2015, at 1:19 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> Blood pressure normal: under 120/80, heart rate normal: ~60
Great news! Here's hoping this particular charge lasts many hundreds of
thousands of miles
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On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> What percentage of households can charge at home?
Today? Your guess of a bit over half might even be on the optimistic side,
considering all the apartment dwellers.
But it's going to be very soon, I think, when anybody who owns a car is
On Jan 23, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> The current infrastructure will be outdated within 10 years. Maybe sooner.
It's a very safe bet that the overwhelming majority of EVs now and forever will
be slow-charged at home or work or in parking lots or at the fleet depot.
As suc
"The engine growl in some of America’s best-selling cars and trucks is actually
a finely tuned bit of lip-syncing, boosted through special pipes or digitally
faked altogether"
[...]
"Orchestrated engine noise has become a necessity for electric cars, which run
so quietly that they can provide
On Jan 20, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Rick Beebe via EV wrote:
> Oak Ridge National Labs designed and built an AC Cobra EV in just six weeks
> using 3D printing. Pretty amazing and an awesome looking vehicle.
I want one!
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On Jan 18, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> My own approach to solar would be to have it grid-intertie only
That has been the ideal option for quite some time, but the utilities are
starting to push hard to get dirty liberal bleeding-heart hippie solar people
off their nice
On Jan 16, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> If the amount of energy as hot water that you pull out of the garage is
> larger than the
> energy going into the garage as electric power, then the garage is cooled by
> the heat pump WH.
Seems like the proper answer is ducting to
On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:13 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Most people only have so much roof available for solar energy. And
> it is not enough for our total energy needs.
On the contrary. To within back-of-the-envelope precision, the residential
rooftop surface area in the US alone receive
On Jan 12, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> Compare the 60% efficiency of the PV/Heatpump water heater to the 50% losses
> half the year of the 70% thermal panels and higher cost and the PV panels
> with heatpump water heating win hands down.
I hadn't heard of heat pump water heaters
On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:32 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Solar Thermal makes no sense anymore.
Not for living space, but it makes plenty of sense for hot water.
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On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:21 AM, tomw via EV wrote:
> His book, Solar Hot
> Water Heating, describes (among other systems) using solar hot water
> collectors to heat a 2 ft thick layer of sand which is insulated inside the
> house foundation with a concrete slab floor on top of it, giving over one
>
Again, just as with EVs, it's not going to be an universal solution. But, again
again, even a partial solution is going to make sense for lots of folks.
Somebody who really does need a diesel pickup to haul stuff around on a regular
basis may still be a perfect candidate for an EV for a daily co
On Jan 9, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> But NOT for the typical modern non-FOSSIL FUEL BURNING all electric homes
> with AC and Electric Heat pumps... IE, if a home continues to burn fossil
> fuel for heat, Oil, and Propane, then we have not fully switched to
> renewables.
Yo
On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Michael Ross wrote:
> I heard Elon Musk claim that you could provide all the current global power
> use with 100 square miles of PV. A friend and I roughed that out and he is
> not far off (there are a lot of assumptions you can make to vary it one way
> or another)
On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Not everyone has [...]
Of course not.
Just as EVs aren't suitable for everybody, either.
But exceptions, even if numerous, don't invalidate the usage for huge swaths of
the population.
Obviously, if you live in a 20-story apartment com
On Jan 9, 2015, at 8:29 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
> I'm no expert, but I suppose it might come to pass if PV efficiency jumps
> and cost tumbles,
PV efficiency is already plenty. The insolation on the average single-family
home's roof at today's efficiency is virtually always some m
The more I think about it, the more I think that the grid's days are numbered.
No, not that it'll go away entirely -- at least, not for a lifetime or more.
But, rather, that, in ten to twenty years, people will be as comfortable not
having a grid connection as they are today not having a landlin
On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Jan Steinman via EV wrote:
> Ideally, you'd follow a NiFe battery with a boost/buck MPP regulator that is
> designed to charge batteries from a solar panel, which also has big voltage
> swings. Such a think will deliver a constant 13.8 volts with an input of
> betw
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Remember, we are talking about ENERGY, not the cost of the battery.
No, we're discussing the financial sense of the system as an whole.
Give anybody a choice between two systems, each of which keeps the lights on
whenever you flip th
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Giving them terrible efficiency. That's almost 50%. Given that an
> electron-in to charge at 70 volts comes out at 36 volts is a 50% loss of
> "power" and hence efficiency. Such batteries are great for standby back
> up systems wher
On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Jan Steinman via EV wrote:
> Flooded cell NiFe have a fairly high internal resistance and, as you note, a
> large voltage swing. But they are the champs when it comes to longevity.
Does that voltage swing require special inverters, etc., to use them in
something li
On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
>> But, if the SRP proposal goes through, it'll either be
>> a fixed $50 or $67 per month..
>
> That is preposterous and only shows how the greed of well funded oil money
> campaigns can convince people against their better interest.
Y
On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Actually, there is way less motivation for the utility to "penalize" the
> homeowner in a case like this.
The big picture for the utilities is that people with solar buy substantially
less electricity, which in turn means the utilities
On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> No, I would look just like anyone else with no power feeding back into the
> grid. I can flip a switch right now and reach that state. They couldn't
> make that fly. I would have to pay for a new meter and base or something.
You're sti
On Dec 23, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> Presently, the grid is a better deal than
> storage.
"Presently" is the key word.
Utilities presently typically charge basic connection fees under $20 / month.
But utilities scared of solar are moving towards charging between $50 and $1
On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Oh, my zero-usage electric bill is an $8 fixed rate "meter" fee per
> month, or $100 a year.
Good for you. And all your calculations make perfect sense with that baseline.
Today, I generate ~150% net of usage (to accommodate a future
Lots of discussion and good points since I last checked in yesterday. Thanks,
everybody! I'll try to hit all the high points in this single note.
On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:36 AM, Michael Ross wrote:
> It is important to know what your present and future power needs are.
That much is basically cove
On Dec 21, 2014, at 3:30 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> It's more efficient and cheaper to take the energy you were going to use to
> reduce the CO2 and use it to drive the vehicles directly, rather than making
> synthetic fuel with that energy.
...but only in those cases where poweri
On Dec 21, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Is something not clear, here?
I fear we're typing past each other, so this will be my last post on this
thread that's not all that much on topic. The last word is yours, if you want
it.
My point, again, is that EVs, despite being theor
On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:53 PM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
> Actually, bad assumption. Many/Most PV Inverters don't like being fed from
> batteries. Throws off their attempts to find the Max Power Point.
I didn't know that. Would it matter that the batteries would mostly be feeding
the inverte
On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> PH: you're assuming that there isn't some other gas that could be used -
> perhaps compressed air or compressed nitrogen or whatever.
Nitrogen is its own element; there's no carbon in nitrogen. And there's less
than a tenth of a percent
On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> How do you see reusing the CO2 improving the picture?
Because, first, the CO2 is going to get used once whether we want it to or not;
and, second, if we can use that CO2 a second time, we don't have to
extract an equal amount from the g
So, I have my roof covered with solar panels. And Salt River Project, my
utility, is threatening to at least triple monthly "basic connection fees" for
solar "customers."
I've decided that's not an option for me. Before I pay such Danegeld, I'll get
a bunch of batteries and drop off the grid en
On Dec 21, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> For example, using CO2 from power plant emissions in fracking doesn't help
> unless fracking has to use CO2 and the only other way would be to produce CO2
> specifically for fracking.
That's why I didn't use fracking as an example. And
On Dec 21, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Of course, if the CO2 is ultimately added to oil, then doesn't the CO2
> eventually return to the atmosphere during refining or usage?
Unless the CO2 is pumped back into the ground to stay, it's going to wind up in
the atmosphere.
How
On Dec 16, 2014, at 3:52 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> Last weekend the sixth annual Trophée Andros Electrique electric ice racing
> series kicked off with back-to-back races dominated by Adrien Tambay,
> reports Electric Autosport. Though powered by small 67 kw/90 horsepower
> electric motors, th
On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Peter Gabrielsson via EV wrote:
> No capes!
>
> Seriously though, what does this have to do with electrics specifically.
> Doesn't it apply to all mopeds, motorcycles and bikes?
I've heard of more than one person with long hair getting scalped (or worse) by
working
On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:56 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> The car, which has already an order list of 250 units, will cost between 1.5
> to 2.5 million Indian rupees (24,000 to 40,200 USD).
>
> [...]
>
> The car can achieve a maximum speed of 150 km per hour and
> according to Vyas it will come in t
On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:22 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
> I see significant advantages to battery leasing, but I wouldn't buy a
> Renault with a leased battery, solely because they threaten to disable the
> battery if you don't keep up the lease payments.
Amen.
We've already figured out
On Nov 26, 2014, at 4:48 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kf9sBa8a_U
Here's the HD version with audio from Volkswagen themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjxCTOe2FFA
And, I agree: this is a quite reasonable way to advertise the electric model of
the car.
I
http://phys.org/news/2014-11-electric-vehicles-stabilize-large-disturbances.html
> (Phys.org) —Today when an electric vehicle is plugged into the grid, it's
> almost always in charge mode, meaning it consumes power. But it's also
> possible for an electric vehicle to operate in discharge mode,
On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:13 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> Years ago Solectria found that by leveling the load on a lead battery,
> reducing its peak current requirements, supercaps / ultracaps could improve
> an EV's range. Unfortunately, though, it was a little more complex than
> jus
On Nov 25, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Any apartment dweller that thinks an EV that they have to take to a
> “CHARGING STATION” every single day for an hour a day is delusional.
>
> Any apartment dweller with a 30 mile daily need that buys a car with a 200
> mile range for
On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Lee Hart wrote:
> Ironically, every parking meter I've ever seen already charges *way* more per
> hour than the cost of the electricity you could get from an AC outlet on that
> meter.
Oh, it's worse than that. Much worse.
At $5 / hour...that's $120 / day, which i
On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
> I predict []
Thinking on this a bit more...we're also likely to see some interesting social
dynamics emerge. Imagine a bunch of people, all EV owners, visit a fellow EV
owner. Access to the charger(s) would quickly wind
On Nov 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> However, it is probably better to start equipping the streets with
> charging points along the curb - for example on every street light...
When electric vehicles start to comprise a signifiant percentage of the
passenger fleet, we're
On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> I also want to shout out to Bruce about his great work with the stream of
> EV news.
"Ditto."
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On Nov 23, 2014, at 9:11 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> As part of a side project, Theobald teamed up with coworkers to convert the
> VW bus from a gas-guzzler to an electric vehicle. Wanting to take it a step
> further, however, and completely eradicate his carbon footprint, moving away
> from hav
On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote:
> Actually, all the public hydrogen refueling stations are in three states;
> California, Connecticut, and South Carolina. There are 13 in the US total.
>
> http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html
That's a very informa
On Nov 22, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> So, how about if the charter restricts it to "vehicles powered by electric
> motors and a fuel source *other than* conventional gasoline, diesel, or other
> fossil fuels?
>
> In other words, itemize what "fuel sources" the list is NOT for
On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:13 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> The GVW BelAZ 75710 uses four Siemens electric traction motors. Each of them
> has an output of 1,200 kilowatts (~1,800 hp).
That is...an hell of a lot. Indeed, it's just about what the Zombie 222 is
capable of: 3600 amps at 355 volts, or 1,
On Nov 20, 2014, at 5:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
> The problem is not charging time. The problem is the electrical power grid
> cannot supply the energy to charge a car in 10 minutes
I think we've already had this conversation. The brute force solution is to
have a similar battery in the c
On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:22 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> Recently (over the last couple of weeks), the automakers that are pushing
> fcvs, spending money to provide copy to the media outlets so as to get their
> word out (anti-EV, HEY! Look at our fcvs, etc.).
I've seen a couple of those press rele
On Nov 19, 2014, at 12:21 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> So, that's one more advantage for home charging : improved privacy.
Privacy improved even over gasoline...use your credit card at the gas station,
and at least your bank knows where you are. Charge at home and, at most, your
ele
On Nov 19, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Rick Beebe via EV wrote:
> Personally I think plug-in hybrids like the Volt and my C-Max are probably
> the ideal vehicle to introduce people to EVs.
I agree enough that that's the route I'm planning on taking for my own
conversion: add a couple HPEVS AC-51s to the
On Nov 19, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Range anxiety doesn't so much come from the range of the vehicle but the
> ability to charge.
That's a good point. You can argue all day about the relative merits of at-home
and on-the-go charging, but the fact remains that American cul
On Nov 19, 2014, at 7:27 AM, tomw via EV wrote:
> A person's viewpoint on this and many other things depends on how risk averse
> s/he is, and we all tend to think our level of risk aversion is just about
> right and any that is quite different is unreasonable.
Range anxiety, I think, is even mo
On Nov 18, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> If his colleague would either have asked anyone at that 1-day seminar to
> borrow the car for a few hours or he would have called a cab, he would
> have been with his wife as quickly as when his EV would have been fully
> charged or i
On Nov 18, 2014, at 3:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> Range anxiety is often cited as one of the major reasons battery electric
> vehicles have yet to take off in the mass market. But does it actually exist
> in practice?
That friend of mine whom I mentioned a week or three ago is, I think, a ty
On Nov 17, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> Or, you can build my Battery Balancer (or something like it -- the plans are
> open source and on the web). It does what any battery tester has to do:
> Select a battery or module, charge it under known conditions, discharge it
> under know
On Nov 17, 2014, at 9:47 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> The electric utility for the norther part of the state, Northern Indiana
> Public Service Company, offers that zero rate between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. to
> registered electric-car owners who install a separate meter just for EV
> charging.
I sus
On Nov 15, 2014, at 11:46 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> As for muscle cars, they appeal to a totally different kind of buyer from
> those who buy high-end European performance cars. The latter may indeed be
> swayed to EVs by rational performance arguments. The former buy more with
On Nov 15, 2014, at 10:28 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> One of the biggest draws is an electric Harley.
Harley-Davidson deserves a great deal of kudos for the way they're approaching
this. They're certainly doing a good job with the hype...I just wish they
weren't drawing it out quite so much.
On Nov 12, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> Tesla isn't profitable (yet).
Not to go all "citation needed," on you, but do you have any details on that?
It's my understanding that they're bringing in more money than they're
spending, but that they still have startup debts to pay off.
On Nov 11, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> It is pretty clear if you drive hard on over
> inflated tires that you have far less traction.
Another way to look at it: the ultimate in tire "inflation" would be a solid
steel rim on the road. And, indeed, locomotives have a fraction o
On Nov 9, 2014, at 3:44 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> Furthermore, what it really
> highlights is what I’ve been emphasizing as much as possible for the past
> year or so: the #1 thing that will really create an EV revolution is the
> absolutely fun and helpful instant torque that electric vehicle
On Nov 8, 2014, at 8:57 AM, tomw via EV wrote:
> A gps based system could report
> only total miles traveled to protect those concerned with others knowing
> where they drive.
Could it? Sure, in theory. Would it? In this day and age? Who're you trying to
kid?
*You* may be fine with the idea, b
On Nov 7, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Rush Dougherty wrote:
>> Put simply, the government has no business knowing how
>> much I drive where and when.
>
> So I guess you take the battery out of your cellphone when you're driving...
Getting a bit far afield, are we? The topic of discussion is the governmen
On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:47 AM, Chris Tromley via EV wrote:
> With all due respect to the Swiss researchers, I believe Plasma Boy was
> faster than that a few years ago in his White Zombie - a door-slammer
> Datsun 1200 conversion.
Not just Plasma Boy, but several others, as well. There's been a lot
On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Rick Beebe wrote:
> I have a Ford C-Max plug-in hybrid that I like a lot.
Thanks for the suggestion; I'm not particularly familiar with it, and I don't
know if my friend considered it. I'll check it out and pass it on.
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There's another aspect to this: how is the government to know how many in-state
miles you've driven? The only feasible way is with GPS trackers in every car,
something horrifically unconscionable.
Yes, you could go off odometer readings, but those will fail spectacularly on
two counts: first, m
On Nov 6, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Alan Brinkman via EV wrote:
> How about a used Volt? Or a used Leaf and a low cost beater ICE as a backup?
> Or a used Smart electric car with a used ICE beater?
All suggestions I made.
He's nervous about the quality of used batteries, even though I tried to
explai
On Nov 5, 2014, at 10:39 PM, EVDL Administrator wrote:
> But no matter how cheaply I could get it, this is just not the right time for
> me to start another project.
Much the same situation for me, else I'd have bid on it and *not* posted about
it!
But, if I find a winning lottery ticket on t
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