Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
IN response to my comment: A review of my dictionary shows that all of the multi words which begin with a long "O", including among others, obey, open, over, onerous, and Otolaryngologyst, seem to have the long 'o' as a separate syllable, and those where the o is short, (obliterate, ocular, ol

Re: [Finale] PDFs in OS X

2003-12-18 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 18.12.2003 1:21 Uhr, Philip Aker wrote > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:34 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > >> While we are on the question of PDF creation, does anyone know how to >> control what fonts are included in a System created PDF? I find that >> PDFs created directly from the pr

Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question and Printer

2003-12-18 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
Title: Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question and Printer At 1:58 PM -0500 12/18/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 18/12/2003 18:53:50 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: know that "Glo-ster" ("Glouchestershire") is in a song. Anyone know a song with "Bal-muh" ("Baltimore")

Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 12:18 PM -0600 12/18/03, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: A review of my dictionary shows that all of the multi words which begin with a long "O", including among others, obey, open, over, onerous, and Otolaryngologyst, seem to have the long 'o' as a separate syllable, and those where the o is short,

Re: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Dec 2003 at 7:23, Phil Daley wrote: > At 12/17/2003 03:26 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > >Also, having Expose also available for navigating between document > >windows *within* an application seems like a very good thing. In > >Windows programs, yes, we can Ctrl-F6, but that doesn't have

RE: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread David W. Fenton
[Could you change your quoting to not start with a space? It completely screws up most mail readers' ability to recognize quoted text and then reformat it appropriately with added quotation characters] On 18 Dec 2003 at 7:08, Phil Daley wrote: > At 12/17/2003 03:12 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >

Re: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Dec 2003 at 7:21, Phil Daley wrote: > At 12/17/2003 03:23 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > >On 17 Dec 2003 at 7:26, Phil Daley wrote: > >> I don't get it. Why would it be hard to find? That's how I work > all >> the time and any window is just a mouse click away. > >Mine > aren't. Some

Re: [Finale] Finmac2004 lateness, continued

2003-12-18 Thread David H. Bailey
The way the underlying data structure is built changes with each release. So data used for one thing in an earlier version might be used for something else in a later version and something else entirely in an even later version. Not having to maintain backward compatibility makes the programme

Re: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Dec 2003 at 11:23, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > You know, this sounds just like Billyboy saying that 640KB memory is > more than anyone will ever need. > > Why is it that noone hears me say "you have to try it to know what it > is about". I've never used it, and it's bloody obvious to me how

[Finale] Saving as previous Finale versions

2003-12-18 Thread Michael Good
Hi David and Dennis, > It would be great to have a plug-in doing what Makemusic says Dolet can do > [save files in the file format of earlier Finale versions] So how great would it be, and how much would you pay for it? Answers off list would be helpful. With the rewrite we are doing to get Dole

Re: [Finale] Strange grace note spacing

2003-12-18 Thread Ole Buck
From: Aaron Sherber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is it a bug or a feature that grace notes on ledger lines get more space than grace notes on the staff? It must be a feature since grace note is always notated as close to the beat as possible. So there are no special note spacing in grace notes groups

Re: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread Mark D Lew
On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 02:23 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: You know, this sounds just like Billyboy saying that 640KB memory is more than anyone will ever need. Could be. Throughout my computer life I've always been a few years behind the curve on memory needs. Why is it that noone

[Finale] pronunciation and hyphens

2003-12-18 Thread Chuck Israels
Crystal Premo wrote: A quick survey of the 14 people here in this room in NYC revealed that they all say "o-pen-ing". Hmmmn, "o-pen-ing night" or, "another op'ning of another show." Context sometimes controls pronunciation. It's a strange language, (but so are most others). I tend to not w

[Finale] Merged syllable question and Printer

2003-12-18 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 18/12/2003 18:53:50 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: know that "Glo-ster" ("Glouchestershire") is in a song. Anyone know a song with "Bal-muh" ("Baltimore") in it? No need for apostrophes there. No, sorry, Gloucester (pronouned "Gloster") is the town ; Gloucester

Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread Harold Owen
I know that "Glo-ster" ("Glouchestershire") is in a song. Anyone know a song with "Bal-muh" ("Baltimore") in it? No need for apostrophes there. Hal Owen I think at some point we risk straying into regional dialect, don't we? I can guarantee you that there are southerners who are world champions

Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread Richard Huggins
I think at some point we risk straying into regional dialect, don't we? I can guarantee you that there are southerners who are world champions at reducing multi-syllabic words to just one or two! --Richard > From: "Crystal Premo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > A quick survey of the 14 people here in th

Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
After quoting someone else, (Richard, I think, but if not, apologies in advance): For this example, I would choose "o-p'ning". I don't know that I'd generalize that as a rule to always use apostrophe, though. In other contexts it might be clearer to spell out what looks like two syllables but

Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread Crystal Premo
Hmmm... I'm not sure what you mean by "an ordinary way" -- for me, at least, the ordinary way of pronouncing "opening" *is* "ope-ning." It's one of those two-syllable words that the dictionary insists on rendering as three, even though you hardly hear anyone say "o-pen-ing" anymore.<< A quick s

Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew Stiller
Is it still customary when entering lyrics to use an apostrophe and dropped vowel to indicate a "merged" syllable in English (i.e., where the word as sung has fewer syllables than the dictionary hyphenation)? Or is that an archaic practice? Except maybe for a few reified situations (e.g. "heav'

Re: [Finale] Strange grace note spacing

2003-12-18 Thread Carl Donsbach
Aaron, Yeah, I think it's a "feature". One way around it I've found is to go to "Options" - "Document Options" - "Music Spacing", in "Avoid Collision Of" uncheck "Ledger Lines". Change "Minimum Distance Between Items:" to 18. Edit the measure in Speedy and the grace notes will line up, then

RE: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread Cecil Rigby
There are so many possible variants in English; that's why many editors find it one of the most difficult languages to typeset properly-- so I won't go into cases. But using the apostrophe for these cases is still common-practice, not archaic in the least. It's use is widely understood in what eve

Re: [Finale] Strange grace note spacing

2003-12-18 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 04:17 AM 12/18/2003, Mark D Lew wrote: >I'm frequently dissatisfied with what Finale's Music Spacing algorithms >do to grace notes, so I'm in the habit of adjusting them in the Note >Position special tool as a matter of course. It's simple enough to >watch the Entry Offset number displayed in th

Re: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread Phil Daley
At 12/18/2003 03:36 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: >Maybe some day it will make sense to me, as Johannes suggests. In the >meantime it's just one more clever UI feature to add to the pile. OS X >already has umpteen different ways to do things. So long as I can find >the one I like (and I already have), I

Re: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread Phil Daley
At 12/17/2003 03:23 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >On 17 Dec 2003 at 7:26, Phil Daley wrote: >> I don't get it. Why would it be hard to find? That's how I work all >> the time and any window is just a mouse click away. > >Mine aren't. Some windows are two clicks away because MS changed the >behavio

Re: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread Phil Daley
At 12/17/2003 03:26 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >Also, having Expose also available for navigating between document >windows *within* an application seems like a very good thing. In >Windows programs, yes, we can Ctrl-F6, but that doesn't have the >visual representation that Alt-Tab has, so you're

RE: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread Phil Daley
At 12/17/2003 03:12 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >> Seems useless to me, but maybe the Mac doesn't have a row of buttons >> for every program on the start bar. > >And how useful are those buttons under these circumstances: > >1. you have multiple instances of the same application with different >doc

Re: [Finale] Finmac2004 lateness, continued

2003-12-18 Thread David H. Bailey
Of course if there were such a plug-in, that would mean that there were version compatibility, which we all know won't ever happen. Sibelius has added a new feature to version 3 that allows a file to be saved in version 2 format -- what is left out is simply the eye-candy that isn't supported i

Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread David H. Bailey
I think it's still the current method -- at least I have seen it in music that is currently available for sale. David Bailey Darcy James Argue wrote: Is it still customary when entering lyrics to use an apostrophe and dropped vowel to indicate a "merged" syllable in English (i.e., where the w

Re: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread Johannes Gebauer
You know, this sounds just like Billyboy saying that 640KB memory is more than anyone will ever need. Why is it that noone hears me say "you have to try it to know what it is about". Johannes On 18.12.2003 9:36 Uhr, Mark D Lew wrote > Not a Mac thing. I'm on Mac, and I too cannot visualize why

Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
For this example, I would choose "o-p'ning". I don't know that I'd generalize that as a rule to always use apostrophe, though. In other contexts it might be clearer to spell out what looks like two syllables but is pronounced as one. This is assuming that the melody is using the word in an ord

Re: [Finale] Strange grace note spacing

2003-12-18 Thread Mark D Lew
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 04:06 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Is it a bug or a feature that grace notes on ledger lines get more space than grace notes on the staff? This means that if I have a passage in different octaves, the grace notes don't line up in the score. Is there any way to

Re: [Finale] Merged syllable question

2003-12-18 Thread Mark D Lew
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 07:34 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Is it still customary when entering lyrics to use an apostrophe and dropped vowel to indicate a "merged" syllable in English (i.e., where the word as sung has fewer syllables than the dictionary hyphenation)? Or is that an

Re: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 18 Dec 2003, at 03:36 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 04:26 AM, Phil Daley wrote: >This is not about hiding windows or arranging windows, it's about _finding_ >windows. I never lose them, must be a Mac thing. Not a Mac thing. I'm on Mac, and I too cannot visualize

Re: [Finale] Aaargh... More delays

2003-12-18 Thread Mark D Lew
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 04:26 AM, Phil Daley wrote: >This is not about hiding windows or arranging windows, it's about _finding_ >windows. I never lose them, must be a Mac thing. Not a Mac thing. I'm on Mac, and I too cannot visualize why I should be so excited about Exposé. I'm