Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games wasRe:LookingForSomething New to Play

2013-03-31 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Thomas, I'm not sure that I could write Dungeon Master to randomly pick a personality for each woman as you walked into that room. Well not as it is written now anyway. You know because each woman is tied or positioned some what for what she likes. And then there is that items are

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re:LookingForSomething New to Play

2013-03-30 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim, Well, its not so much you aren't good at designing personalities but you don't very them enough. I think what I would do is have a generator of some kind that picks from a possible list of personalities so that if you walk in the room with the fireplace the girl there will have a

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re:LookingForSomething New to Play

2013-03-29 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Thomas, Yeah, my idea for Dungeon Master was that each woman had a very specific foreplay that she likes. So the goal of the game is to figure that out and to have the item or items that may be needed. Guess that I am not good at writing personalities. Probably especially not female

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking ForSomething New to Play

2013-03-28 Thread Charles Rivard
:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking ForSomething New to Play Hi Thomas. I'm sorry, both to you and Shaun, it just gets me sometimes the attitude on here, the ingratitude. I never suggested James intended to cut and run, however he did and I personally

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-28 Thread shaun everiss
] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play Hi all, I'm coming to this post a bit late, but please let's stop the flaming here. No matter how we all feel about the unfortunate situation with James North, what was it, six years ago its really passed time to put it behind us. I can

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: LookingForSomething New to Play

2013-03-28 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Thomas, You know I love the challenge of creating games, but I also want to be able to play them. Guess that is why my games are card games, board games, sports games, arcade games etc with so much dependency on random events. I can play them and actually have no advantage over others

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: LookingForSomething New to Play

2013-03-28 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim, Oh, I do see the problem. I admit that after I beat the Dungeon Master game I haven't played it more than a couple of times just because there is nothing new to it. The ladies are different, but other than that its essentially all the same right down to the descriptions and such. It

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-28 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ibrahim, Yes, I do see what you mean. I get a little sick and tired of the ingratitude.  of some people too, but I've reached a point where its just words and it doesn't matter any more. I just let it roll off me rather than let it get to me. While I agree Shaun's message was misplaced, kind

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread shaun everiss
I think the issue is how we convert games that are sighted to the blind. I know that compaired to the sighted games our games are probably of no real interest to the sighted. they lack scope and other concepts that they are used to. However its not like we have much choice. There are only so

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking ForSomething New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Dark, You know one thing about games that are all about exploration is that they are no fun for the author to play. Well unless there is lots of other random things in those areas. Just exploring is no fun if you wrote it and know it all already. My Dungeon Master game is the best

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Charles Rivard
beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play Hi Dark

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking ForSomething New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread shaun everiss
I aggree a lot of games need random events ofcause you need to do it in such a way as the player thinks things are random. In smuglers there is a limit of something like 9 story passages but you would never know there was. At 01:26 AM 3/28/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark, You know one thing

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi all, I'm coming to this post a bit late, but please let's stop the flaming here. No matter how we all feel about the unfortunate situation with James North, what was it, six years ago its really passed time to put it behind us. I can understand your frustration with some list members such as

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking ForSomething New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, Beyond random events I would like to see more complex programming techniques being used for things such as artificial intelligence. A good artificial intelligence doesn't use random choices, but actually bases intelligent decisions on statistical but uncertain data. How many times did

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, That's a good question, and one I've been experimenting with using my game engine. It can be done, but like everything else in life you need to practice at it to get good at it. In a way good hand and ear coordination isn't much different than good hand eye coordination provided the

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking ForSomething New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim, Well, you have a good point there. The biggest problem with being the game developer is games, no matter how good the story, really hold no surprises for the developer himself or herself. If its about exploration you already know basically where every trap is, where every passage leads,

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, Yes, converting mainstream games, and more importantly concepts, to audio is a tricky business. There are some things I've encountered in mainstream video games I'm not quite sure how to convert to a completely audio based game. For example, in Tomb Raider: Last Revelation there is

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Jacob Kruger
: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play Hi Shaun, Yes, converting mainstream games, and more importantly concepts, to audio is a tricky business. There are some things I've encountered in mainstream video games I'm not quite sure how to convert

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking ForSomething New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread shaun everiss
Thats true tom most ais up to a point have been simple though we are starting to get more complex ones. I wish there was more from greymatter as this company was working on something. I say was because the last blog post was last year which doesn't mean squat however. At 09:55 AM 3/28/2013,

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread shaun everiss
thats true tom. And after some experiences with the running of swamp test yesterday and a few other things I can see that as nice as my old dependable wrig is, its on the extremely low end. So yeas soon I may have to upgrade this piece of junk I have depended on, for the last 8 years or so.

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking ForSomething New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, Well, you know as well as I do that's not unusual. A lot of people start writing some project with a bang, make some progress, and then it drops off for weeks or months. Sometimes life gets in the way, and sometimes the developer in question simply loses interest in the project. In

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jacob, I suppose that might work. Its certainly another possibility at any rate. On 3/27/13, Jacob Kruger ja...@blindza.co.za wrote: Thomas May be slightly specific, but something like the audio soundscapes of the vOICe would be my form of suggestion for balancing something like this -

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-27 Thread Ibrahim Gucukoglu
. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:48 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play Hi all, I'm coming to this post a bit late, but please let's stop the flaming here. No matter how

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-26 Thread shaun everiss
well I did say I was out of touch, I am not a dev just a tester/ light hacker programming after all is not my strong point, light scripter maybe doodler but not programmer. Its good that vb games can be done for multiplatforms now. At 09:22 PM 3/25/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun and all, A few

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-26 Thread shaun everiss
there a re a few more passages in the game you don't need to complete the game. Right however the game almost never uses them, maybe items will be put obscurely, or items and monsters will be dropped in passages but items are not dropped in passages randomely as a rule even main ones. items

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-26 Thread dark
Hi Tom. Well this is again why I'd like to see side scrollers introduced to audio gamers, since the amount of fun I've had with turrican, metroid, mega man and such games over the years is just staggering, and it's a shame that there are so many people who believe a 1D game like q9 is the be

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-26 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, Ah, I see. Well, as far as burning out goes that was true a few months ago, but not now. A few things have changed since then, and I've gotten my priorities straight so to speak. Back in 2008 through 2011 I was spending every available minute I had on developing the engine, developing

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-26 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Sure. I do understand your point of view as it is rather distressing to know how many V.I. gamers assume that something like Q9 is the be all and end all to side-scrollers when guys like you and I know better. Fact of the matter is that for better than a decade side-scrollers were the

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-26 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, Oh, I realize that. However, may this serve as a reminder open mouth insert foot when you pass around incorrect information or talk about things you don't really know anything about. You can do more harm than good spreading baseless information around. On 3/26/13, shaun everiss

[Audyssey] Replayability and USA Games

2013-03-26 Thread Ibrahim Gucukoglu
, otherwise it might be wise for you to unsubscribe. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play to be honest it may

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-26 Thread Ibrahim Gucukoglu
] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play to be honest it may be easier at this point if you just gave an old crappy directx8 version with all the sound as it was 3 years back to people that payed for it maybe the one you had to stop because of copywrite or its

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-25 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, No offense, but you are way off base here. There is no way in Hades I'm going to just delete, scrap, or trash all the work I've done on Mysteries of the Ancients over the last four years. That would be flipping insane not to mention a waste of my time and everyone else who has helped

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-25 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun and all, A few comments about the message below. Yes, older versions of Visual Basic, such as Visual Basic 6, are not Mac and Linux compatible, but that does not mean a person can not write apps for Mac and Linux in Visual Basic. Newer versions of the Mono Framework supports Visual

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-25 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Agreed. At this point releasing something complete would be a step in the right direction. You'll get no argument from me on that. One of the things I think that makes Shades of Doom such a good game is that its fully accessible, but it is also difficult too. On the higher difficulty

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-25 Thread dark
Hi Tom. As you know I'm an exploration fiend, so the maze aspect of shades of doom is very much something else I like about the game, aprticularly given that David did a great job with ambient sound sources in the maze which give it an interesting background to explore too even though the

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-25 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Yes, definitely. I think Shades of Doom could use for a few more areas to explore, bonus levels so to speak, as well as a couple of bonus enemies now and then. Still one thing I think Shades of Doom does well is while it has some sort of complex mazes it also offers a navigation system

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-24 Thread dark
Hi michael. I wasn't intending my comments about Tom's games to be insulting, nor would I want Tom to rush out a game on a whim that might be substandard, it's just that when talking of game design quality that gives a game that something that makes you want to replay it even after! you have

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Thanks for saying that. If I can make my games enjoyable,, replayable, then I think I've succeeded as a game designer. It is the sort of games that a person plays once, completes it in a few hours, and finds they have no desire to replay the game I would consider a failure. There are, of

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-24 Thread Devin Prater
Yes, from what I've seen, they aren't. Now if only we had a game engine for everyone that was inclusive of other operating systems? Would one have to own a mac to even code/compile for it? Wait, Java works on everything right? But then, most audio games use TTS that other systems don't have, so

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, You aren't the only one who is frustrated. None more so than me since the last few months I've fallen into a kind of funk. One where time has no meaning as such. What I mean by that I might work heavily on the game on February 12, and then discover the next time I work on the game it is

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Devin, Cross-compiling and developing for other operating systems is a highly complex subject. There are a lot of difficulties in choosing the right language, right APIs, and even then there are differences between the operating systems that makes it impossible to come up with a so-called one

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-24 Thread Devin Prater
Wow. Well, Windows, mac and maybe iOS is a fine triplet to go for, but now I see how hard it is. Maybe I'll get a windows VM, or if bootcamp is accessible I'll get a windows cd to make a partition for that. Maybe give it 100GB, to fit the games I like. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com On

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-24 Thread dark
Hi Tom. I'm sorry to hear about the various problems and bugs, and in fairness no coding or writing when ill is not possible, but at the same time part of the point of my message was to offer some encouragement, albeit some encouragement with a little tinge of frustration. At this point I

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-24 Thread shaun everiss
hmm I am not as up with the play as I should be. It depends on the types of games that would work. python works with macs pcs both windows and linux. I know there is the mono dotnet opensource framework and thats supposed to work with everything with the same features as the windows dotnet

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-24 Thread shaun everiss
to be honest it may be easier at this point if you just gave an old crappy directx8 version with all the sound as it was 3 years back to people that payed for it maybe the one you had to stop because of copywrite or its levels and change the title and drop it. I know thats probably not what

[Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-22 Thread dark
Hi Michael. On the replayability angle, I often find that games are replayable from the perspective of reexperiencing the atmosphere or story, or just trying to best the tough challenges another time. It is this that has made me replay shades of doom and Sarah. By the same tocan, i've

Re: [Audyssey] replayability and Usa games was Re: Looking For Something New to Play

2013-03-22 Thread Michael Feir
I totally agree with what you're saying here Dark. A lot of unchannelled potential is going to waste for poor Tom. Thankfully, I've had enough experience with other aspects of life and my own creative tendency to wander to have more sympathy for what Tom's gone through than impatience for the game