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From: Inacio DSilva inaciodsi...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 8:36 PM
Dear All,
The discussion on this topic has been
Tony,
Thank you for sharing your views on this thread over the past few days.
A couple of queries.
-Original Message-
From: Tony Luis
All the above are carried out by so called Catholics who happen to be
Catholics because through no fault of their own they were led to the
.).
- Original Message
From: Anthony C. L. Fernandes tonyfernandes1...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sat, 4 September, 2010 5:12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
In my view is simply CRAB MENTALITY OF GOANS
On 6 September 2010 03:13, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
The crab mentality is not the prerogative of Goans only. Such exist in
the
Italian community, among women's groups, in the Irish community here in
Melbourne (observed it in real life), and perhaps many other
To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought.
Agnelo Pinheiro,
After writing so well below, it would be a tragedy for you to think of not
writing anymore. All views should be very welcome. And I see
JC wrote-
I noticed that you had no comments on the Andamanis. Are they Indians? On what
basis? British Colonialism?
Response-
JC Bab,
It is a fact that the Andaman Islanders as also the residents of the Northeast
do not feel Indian at all and are made to feel alienated by Delhi.
...@goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought.
Dear Oscar and All Goans,
This is the last time I will respond on this thread unless I see a good
reason to write anything further. Before I go to core issue
Hi Bosco,
It was because of the context in which I was responding.
Agnelo's mail was about saying that some of the Catholics and Congress was
responsible for the mess in Goa.
My response was two fold:
To say that these Catholics were Catholic but only in name
But more importantly to
We are all shut for so many years and we all know that including me, atleast
now that we know the facts lets open our eyes and as an individual lets fight
for our rights and make it happen.
God Bless Goa
Thanks
Mike
From: Bernado Colaco
Democracy has not worked for 48 years. Can you
To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:15 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Carmen Miranda:
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there is
any chance at all
. Fernandes tonyfernandes1...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
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Dear Marshall
, 2010 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought.
Dear Mario bab!
I am sorry but I agree to disagree with your comments with respect to
your opinion.
I would like to ask you a question, please?
We have waited for 48 years and 8 months; can we not hang
.
Melbourne.
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 19:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
goanet@lists.goanet.org
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Message-ID: 188267.7618...@web52303.mail.re2.yahoo.com
Dear Marshall,
Ref your question Isn't is worth introspecting what has stopped or
prevented goans from
becoming masters of their own destiny? Or is the present dismal state of
affairs the destiny that the goans have voted for?
In my view is simply CRAB MENTALITY OF GOANS and let others take
Dear all
Yes, Democracy is by the people , of the people and for the people. It
works well when people know their rights and responsibilties as well
and are engaged in all the issues which affect their day to day life.
The problem in Many third world democracies, including India, is that
On 4 September 2010 06:13, anesim...@aim.com wrote
[1] Besides the civic society, Media plays a big part in keeping the
Government and Politicians on their toes.
[2] Sadly, In Goa it is the mouthpiece of the Government and rumors
has it that there is huge dedicated budget by the Govt.to wine and
JC wrote-BTW: When you guys say: We are all Indians, what do you mean by the
word 'Indian'? Indian citizens, descendants of the Indian subcontinent, Indian
by race (there is no such thing) what? Are Pakistanis also Indians? What
about the Andamani folks?
Response:Dear JC Bab,
Greetings!
I wonder if there is a kind of jingoism in the statement below. When a russian
knocked out a Goan dead in Morjim. Jingoistics had the tail between the legs!
BC
We can make it very dry and crips.
BY DEMANDING THAT WE BE GIVEN THE ' PORTUGUESE RULE ' BACK AGAIN, MINUS
THE PORTUGUESE, even
Dear Mr Rodrigues,
I am at the fag-end of the if Goa to be Ruled by Goans debate that
is now taking place on the Internet, but being a complete green horn
to the Politics of our Goan Diaspora, I simply fail to understand for
the life of me, why we have to have that constant Crab like
Dear Niz Goankars,
We can take a Goan out of Goa; BUT we cant take out the CRAB MENTALITY
FROM A GOAN...
Thanks and More Mog,
Cynthia
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God Answers Knee-Mails
(Would appreciate if you please send all your queries to Cynthia
Fernandes by using the below link)
Dear Readers,
To enable you
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 22:14:55 -0400
From: Carmen Miranda carmitamira...@gmail.com
Carmen.. I like ur Tshirt suggesion.. Rgds, Arwin
To: goa...@goanet.org
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
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How can one expect Goa to be ruled by Goans? Goans cannot fulfill their
basic civic responsibilities. Pavements are not provided they walk on the
roads. Pedestrian crossings are not provided they run across and often get
hit by speeding vehicles. Mourn and wail a little and are back to their
Dear Mario bab!
I am sorry but I agree to disagree with your comments with respect to
your opinion.
I would like to ask you a question, please?
We have waited for 48 years and 8 months; can we not hang on to hear
Tony Luis’ speech even if it takes 2 hours to read? Many winners give up
at
I have just returned from another trip to Sikkim. Sikkim and Goa share many
things in common. Both joined the Indian Union under unusual circumstances.
Both have low population, great scenic beauty, high levels of literacy, and
gentle law abiding people. Where Sikkim scores over Goa is that the
Dear Oscar and All Goans,
This is the last time I will respond on this thread unless I see a good
reason to write anything further. Before I go to core issue of this
debate, let me unfold few facts about me as they hold relevance to this
thread/debate. I had been the Congress Party active
Subject: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
You have put it very aptly.Now the enthusiasts need to define who is a
Goan-is
it by birth in Goa,ancestry or migration into or out of Goa at any time for
any
reason?
And those who have migrated out of Goa and become Citizens of or are born in
say
Carmen Miranda:
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there is
any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
Agnelo Pinheiro,
After writing so well below, it would be a tragedy for you to think of
not writing anymore. All views should be very welcome. And I see in
Oscar's and your posts some movement ahead and in the right direction.
Most of what you wrote I do believe is factual and based on sound
CARMEN et al
I CALL FOR A 100,000 + GOAN MARCH FROM THE MANDOVI TO THE CAMPAL GROUNDS
ON A SIGNIFICANT DAY LIKE 26 JANUARY . Could be carnival come early!!!
Placards T-shirts palm leaves etc with full coverage by Press, local
and national and international TV ...
Guests of Honour...
Hi Salus,
Thanks a lot for your comments. Democracy stuffed down our throats post
61 is a failure. Many here think that they can turn things around this
rotten system. I am told by congresswallas that rave parties are used to
extract bribes to fund their party activities. It is a huge network
We cannot blame DEMOCRACY.
We must make it work.
Which we are not doing.
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org for expanded scrolling Party Presentation on the Home
Page - 'Announcements' Section.
- Original Message -
From: Bernado Colaco
Hi Salus,
Thanks a lot for
is available for download on the Home Page above
- Original Message -
From: Oscar Lobo oscarlo...@optusnet.com.au
To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Dear Carmen,
Yes, there will be a clear vision once we engage our
Will there really be a difference, if the Gulf Goans persuade their
relatives to vote for one politician or the other?
Trouble is even the so called 'honest politicos' soon get corrupted by the
system.
Don't you think that the Goan voter votes with the underlying assumption
better the devil you
Dear Tony Luis,
That is a very long, emotive and touching SPEECH.
I sincerely believe that a lot of people holding placards and banners
would be tired with some taking off quietly and temporarily for a peg
of feni somewhere.
But I would compress your entire fantastic SPEECH to just a
Dear Tony Luis,
A very touching speech.I hope I live to hear this one day standing among
these 100,000 + people in Goa.
In the meantime, let me dream on.
Cheers
Benedict
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Tony Luis wrote:
MY KEY NOTE SPEECH WILL BE AS FOLLOWS !
WE HAVE A DREAM
*
Rightly said, Mr. Floriano.
That’s the reason why we need to get out of the system of voting on
party lines
And religious/caste basis.
Going by the constitution and road map of Goa Suraj Party, this is one
and only
Way to get things done in the proper perspective.
I am migrating to
Some of the tenents of true and real democracy are:
A Government OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people
Goa and most of India for that matter fails on all three as it is
A Government OF the Rupee, By the Goondas, the Rupee and those who are
manipulated by TVs or bicycle and other gifts
Democracy has not worked simply because it is non existent in Goa!!
Goans just think it is there!!!
From: Bernado Colaco
Democracy has not worked for 48 years. Can you give us a date when it
will work! Then we will shut up forever!
BC
Subject: Re: Fw: Goa to be ruled by Goans.
We
We need :-
PURE DEMOCRACY: A democracy in which the power to govern lies directly
in the hands of the people rather than being exercised through their
representative.
Goa Su-Raj Party = Pure Democracy. Vote for GSRP.
B. M. Viegas
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Dear All
While what has been discussed here is all very interesting but not new
and some of the ideas to solve this chronic problem of Goa's decay are
just pie in the sky, unrealistic and pointless, I am not clear as to
what is the point of this discussion group and how some of the postings
49 years and we Goans still do not know what we what and if we want how
to get it. 49 years we had been dreaming and we still dream. How long?
Utt Goyekara! Wake up from your slumber. Kumbakaran from Ramayan slept
for 14 years and we Goans are sleeping for 49 years! Wake up Goan in
Goa and
Dear Carmen,
Greetings from Melbourne Carmen bhai!
Although you have addressed the e-mail to Tony Luis (and it is his
prerogative to reply), I take ownership of initiating the first e-mail
with the caption.
The purpose of the e-mail was for multifarious reasons; however the main
ones were
Dear Agnelo,
Cheers to your thought process.
I believe that 'PPS' will go well with Carmen's great idea of t-shirts,
caps etc.
After all if Goans want to look the change in the face, first, they
should be ready to accept the tag of being the 'PEOPLE FOR POLITICAL
SANITY' in the midst of
Just one word ' WOW ' Floriano! I think TRUE Goans understands what
Floriano says.
From: floriano.l...@gmail.com
Dear Tony Luis,
That is a very long, emotive and touching SPEECH.
I sincerely believe that a lot of people holding placards and banners
would be tired with some taking off
Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with GoaThis is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
Tony
The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely
Dear Carmen,
More Power to you.
From another one just like you.
Cynthia
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Dona Carmen,
Your theory will not work because we are colonized by one of the most
corrupt countries in the world. We are like POW's (Dr. Falcao) in Goa
after 61. We have no control over our destiny. Presidential rule is mere
garbage. I am not to sure if you have ever lived in Goa! What
More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s
Dear Benedict,
Thank you for your e-mail of date.
Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout
the length and breathe of the universe. We surely are voyagers like
Vasco De Gama.
By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living
overseas, in
Mr Bernardo Colaco
I was born in Goa, I lived in Goa, I studied in Goa, I am frequent
visitor to Goa , but my visits are mostly to just work on trying to
improve things in Goa. I don't have any interests or any thing in Goa at
all except my heart. It is my homeland, the land of my
Hi Benedict,
Only NRI’s? Only if the Government is open about granting proper dual
citizenship will it have much meaning. Of all the Goans listed by you
as living in various countries overseas, can you say how many of these
Goans are NRI’s? I would say very few indeed, if you stop counting
Every Government since 1961 has been an interim Government in Goa but
without any Governance !!
Governments in Goa fall at a drop of a hat depending on who is plotting
against whom and who gets what portfolio that can make the most amount
of money.
Even as we speak the so called gang of
Hi Anesimo,
I presume you meant to send your appended e-mail of date to me for
information or to Benedict and wrongly addressed to me.
In any way, you are right in the strategy you have outlined.
Benedict - you guys in the Middle East are in a position to play a
pivotal role in Anesimo's
I should have said an interim government without any political
affiliations. Democracy in Goa is sectarian. To educate the electorate
it will take an other 50 years. By than Goans will be selling ice fruit
in lungis and setting illegal companies like the arrivals from the south
post 61.
Dona
Dear Mr Bernado Colaco,
May please take issue with you re.your presumption with respect in
that, it would take Our Goan Electorate in Goa another 50 odd years or
so to get REAL AND Be Re-Educated in the Finer ART of HOW to Elect A
Viable, Firm, Honest Govt of the People, with and for the
My dear Oscar,
I will enter this discussion once more and then return to my corner.
Perhaps, Goans will determine for themselves the following.
a: Why did the electorate in Goa vote the Congress - the last time
around? Were Goans not aware of corruption?
b: Do anyone among us know of ANY
Well said Senhor!! It is the local pollies who are the main cause 0f
the rut that Goa had been sliding into. People now elect those who they
think will do some little illegal favour for them!
Salus
From: Bernado Colaco
I should have said an interim government without any political
Goenkars,
In order to ensure a method to the madness of this debate, may I suggest
that we have just 2 ground rules in responding to Mr. J. Colaco’s
appended e-mail, please:
Comment only on the item that you are well aware of and with a decorum
of respect for one another. A point of view
Dear Carmen,
Yes, there will be a clear vision once we engage our Goans in a proper
forum and ensure we are not all over the place.
We have learnt a lot on what discipline can achieve, I for one being of
Jesuit educational background from St. Britto’s school and a little
observation of how
Oscar, mind your language. You need not tell Dr. Jose Colaco what to write!
AlmeidaG
From: Oscar Lobo
Goenkars,
In order to ensure a method to the madness of this debate, may I suggest
that we have just 2 ground rules in responding to Mr. J. Colaco’s
appended e-mail, please:
Comment
Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if
It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as
Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
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Now
Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must
Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great.
Dear Sirs /Madam,
With reference to the Emails as below, I would like to summarise what We
Goans really need to do in order not to be extinct like the Mauritian
Dodo, God forbid.!.
First, we should Re-Educate the Goans both in Goa and the Goans in the
wider World into BELIEVING that we, really
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that
The slogan Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting.
It is a perfect subject for mental masturbation. Besides this, it offers
excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters
during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa'
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