li...@akphs.com (Phil Smith III) writes:
> If you look at carefully written PC software like, say, Steve Gibson's
> stuff (www.grc.com -- not a plug, just an example that comes to mind),
> you'll see incredibly rich and powerful stuff that fits in the palm of
> your PC's hand, so to speak. http://w
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"Dave" writes:
> Well "VM" or "CP" is very different. As the XA/ESA/z machine can't be
> virtualized easily in software, I assume because of the need to make
> AM
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r...@velocitysoftware.com (Rich Smrcina) writes:
> Most of the new support now centers around capacity (very large
> virtual machines) and virtual networking (virtu
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jmfbahciv writes:
> ROTFLMAO. A typing fo-paw?
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#47 z9 / z10 instruction speed(s)
yep ... oh well .. s/invented/invited/
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eamacn...@yahoo.ca (Ted MacNEIL) writes:
> Why? If you don't need the capacity, what's the issue?
> Would you rather pay full hardware & software costs for capacity
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gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes:
> The current trend towards CMMI and the Six Sigma standard of quality, 6
> standard deviations (3.4 defects in a million)
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re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.htmL#32 Need tool to zap core
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.htmL#34 Need tool to zap core
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010
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re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#10 Need tool to zap core
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#11 Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux
http://www.garlic.com/~l
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subject of thread from last year (in this mailing list):
Secret Service plans IT reboot
http://fcw.com/Articles/2009/10/19/Web-Secret-Service-IT-modernization.aspx
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes:
> somewhat related other old stuff
>
> Date: 02/17/81 11:18:51
> From: wheeler
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes:
> from long ago and far away (mentions dumprx, vm370 rel6 sepp, and the
> 3090 service processor):
>
> Date: 31 Octobe
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jim.marsh...@opm.gov (Jim Marshall) writes:
> I have been following some discussions on Adventure, StarTrek, and other
> games around back in the 20th Century. If
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes:
> misc. past posts mentioning DUMPRX.
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dumprx
from long ago and far away (menti
there was something about after (7 years ago today), secret service was
absorbed into dept. homeland security ... something like 1/3rd of secret
service budget found its way elsewhere.
--
42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970
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shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
> Wasn't VM/SP also an add-on to VMF/370 R6? I know for sure that MVS/SP was
> an addon to OS/VS2 3.
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t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes:
> I don't know how similar the 158 and 155 really were (certainly very
> different front panel implementations), but it's in
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shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
> You don't consider SEPP (VM/SE) or BSEPP (VM/BSE) to be VM releases?
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~l
jim.marsh...@opm.gov (Jim Marshall) writes:
> P.S. Getting the first of a new generation of IBM computer, the IBM 3032,
> made us a showplace besides being in the Pentagon. But 6 months later IBM
> shipped the first IBM 3033 to Singer up in New Jersey, we were obsolete and
> never got the IBM 3
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charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes:
> It also might be mentioned that there was an incentive to develop a
> quick-and-dirty DOS/360 that came from the shortage
mpac...@gmail.com (Mark Pace) writes:
> Same here. Working as expected with FF.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#19 What's with IBMLINK now??
one issue is that people may be actually going to different
machines/gateways
I've seen it with "ibm greater connection" ... there are various
john_j_ke...@ao.uscourts.gov (John Kelly) writes:
> Here's my response form IBM FeedBack about it. I find that it goes away
> after a while but happens mostly with Firefox. When I get it, I go to IE
> and get in OK. I had an offline line email from someone else who's had the
> problem and they a
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes:
> idea was to do a micro-kernel base ... in higher level language
> ... like some flavor of pascal ... small focused effor
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On 02/25/2010 09:21 PM, Clark Morris wrote:
> Would Multics have been a good base for a modern operating system? Was
> killing Multics a mistake?
re:
http://www.ga
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gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes:
> I believe I read somewhere, a UNIX book, that multics was the forerunner of
> UNIX and inspired its creator at Bell Labs
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes:
> some of the 7094/ctss people went to the science center on 4th flr of
> 545 tech sq (cp40/cms on a specially modified 3
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shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
> IBM was using BSL for OS/360, especially TSO. Nor was IBM the first to use
> a HLL to write a comm
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john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes:
> This just occurred to me. I wonder if I'm suffering from lack of
> oxygen to the brain. But, as best as I can
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m...@mentor-services.com (Mike Myers) writes:
> Back in the '60s, the Field Engineering Division took over first-level
> support of OS/360, creating a new kind of C
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john.king...@convergys.com (John Kington) writes:
> WYLBUR was used at University of Cincinnati in the mid 80's when I was
> learning to program. Much better for an
glen.manages@gmail.com (Glen Gasior) writes:
> I had to call my dad to find out what was meant by core.
what is old is new again:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/02/24/2828135.htm
2010 International Conference On Nanoscience and Nanotechnology
http://www.ausnano.net/iconn2010/
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chrisma...@belgacom.net (Chris Mason) writes:
> If it's a 360 Model 40, there are some nice tactile switches it's a pleasure
> to
> flip on the front of the machin
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charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes:
> Yes, I know everyone is defensive because a fad usually referred to as
> "client/server" cost a lot of us our jobs about
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes:
> from above, URL for "Crowther's original source code for Adventure (as
> recovered from Don Woods's st
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dcartwri...@ymail.com (David Cartwright) writes:
> At Monsanto Europe in Brussels about 1976 I wrote some mods to VM/370 to
> defeat Shadow Page Tables for V=R mach
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d...@lists.duda.com (David Andrews) writes:
> One of you Old Ones (and I'm thinking of Shmuel in particular) correct
> me on this, but didn't bare MVT have a horren
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shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
> I suspect that what Tymshare had was a PDP-10, or maybe the older PDP-6,
> which was basically an
hal9...@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) writes:
> Now he would just get a job in the programming department of a Bank
> and program a "salami" routine into the code to divert money into his
> account. The usual way is to just take all the split cent rounding and
> divert it.
there were some infamo
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
> I know what a TSO version is, but how could you have a Wylbur version
> written in PL/I? Wylbur didn't support any language other than its own
> command/macro language.
from the file ...
WELLPUT TITLE 'W E L L P U T -- WYLBUR/TSO
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gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes:
> I will be eternally grateful that:
>
>- colleges do not teach mainframe as they do the "toy machines",
>- there
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gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes:
> Yes, I believe it was some how connected to Preferred Machine Assist (PMA)
> where page 0 was actually owned by MVS not V
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gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes:
> This was to facilitate performance for VM/MVS shops because there was no
> comparable VM/VSE feature for MVS and VM to c
jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) writes:
> Well, the engineers at Lockheed's (in)famous "Skunk Works" designed the
> SR-71 Blackbird with slide rules and graph paper. No airplane since has
> equaled its speed or altitude records.
i sponsored Boyd's briefings at ibm in the 80s ... he had done a lot
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... and with respect to INV mentioned in email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#email800804
in this previous post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#74
D
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zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) writes:
> Ah, Star Trek! "Your ship has blown up. The vile Klingon hordes will conquer
> the universe." Those were the days...
re:
ht
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re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#69 LPARs: More or Less?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#71 LPARs: More or Less?
for other folklore tidbit ... som
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bshan...@rocketsoftware.com (Bob Shannon) writes:
> I had been told that one reason for Posix support in MVS was to allow
> bids for government contracts
> ...
>
>
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m...@mentor-services.com (Mike Myers) writes:
> Four of us teamed up to do a proof of concept by installing a running
> CMS under MVS. We added a CMS command to TSO
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m...@mentor-services.com (Mike Myers) writes:
> Of course, we all know that PR/SM was eventually released and I have
> always held that CMS under MVS helped pave th
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes:
> I had gotten blamed for computer conferencing on the internal network in
> the late 70s and early 80s. internal network
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"John Crane" writes:
> Someone actually keeps their email from 1978?
>
> You should write a book on leading an organized life!
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010
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m...@mentor-services.com (Mike Myers) writes:
> Allow me to fill you in a bit on at least one of the "MVS group's
> attempt to do in VM".
>
> IIRC, it was shortly af
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"John Crane" writes:
> Someone actually keeps their email from 1978?
>
> You should write a book on leading an organized life!
some bits & pieces from some archive
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gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes:
> I have since come to realize that even though MVS is more robust with more
> functionality, that when all is said and don
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gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes:
> I have since come to realize that even though MVS is more robust with more
> functionality, that when all is said and don
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gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes:
> "I remember it well"
>
> I did not arrive on the scene at POK (bldg #10, I think, Global Services)
> until late, and then
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gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes:
> True. But it does not predate SVS, VS1, MVT, MFT, and OS Rel 17 from
> which (except for VS1) MVS evolved. Furthermore,
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gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes:
> After all is not MVS a far more robost operating system than VM which, by
> the admission of its own authors, is really l
m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com (Tom Marchant) writes:
> The implementation of PR/SM is indeed similar to VM. It may even share
> quite a bit of code, but it is not virtual. You have to allocate the
> processor
> storage to each LPAR. Real devices have to be provided for each of them.
> Consoles, fo
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thomas.b...@swedbank.se (Thomas Berg) writes:
> As it's Friday: Does anyone know where You can get a copy
> of the Adventure game that originally was written by
> W
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woo...@ozemail.com.au (Andy Wood) writes:
> Strangely, the POP for S/370 (which introduced the TOD clock, but retained
> the interval timer for backward compatibi
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peter.nutt...@euroclear.com (Peter Nuttall) writes:
> I remember working as an operator on shift at a site in London (mid
> 80's). Think we had a 3081/3084. The w
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shar...@dtcc.com (Scott Harder) writes:
> I think it's Thermal Conduction Module, but not 100% sure.
IBM TCP Collection:
http://ibmcollectables.com/gallery/album122
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"Charlie Gibbs" writes:
> On the other hand, if you wrote 200-byte physical records on a
> CKD device, the overhead (inter-record gaps, count fields, etc.)
> would
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peter.far...@broadridge.com (Farley, Peter x23353) writes:
> PMFJI here, but the facts that Media Manager underlies these "new" (FSVO
> "new") file technologies and
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john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes:
> Does anything other than S/360 derived systems even use CKD type DASD?
> PDS directories are built around CKD
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ps2...@yahoo.com (Ed Gould) writes:
> I do not remember the power requirements of the computers back then
> but they had to have been huge so I do not think that a
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shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
> There are no group owners. Usenet is a distributed network implemented by
> autonomous peers; the
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web pages gone 404 ... but there is always the wayback machine
The Evolution of CICS: Myth and Matter (1968)
http://web.archive.org/web/20060325095552/http://www.
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shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
> Who R U? In CICS you're supposed to use CICS services for I/O, not to do
> your own in the main CI
ibmm...@intergate.com (Arthur T.) writes:
> The problem is not with Google Groups. It appears that some
> posts are not making it to Usenet.
>
> What's odd is that recently this happened in at least one other
> newsgroup (comp.risks). Some posts are not making it through the
> mirrors t
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l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
> also, customers were finding that a vm/4341 cluster was cheaper than
> 3033, higher aggregate mip rate, m
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there seems to be some hiccup with this recent post (I did twice)
between the mailing list and usenet (missing on usenet, but I finally
checked mailing list archive
bbreynolds writes:
> Was that a component which was shared by the 3033? Something
> unique to the the 4341? I know that IBM's internal politics were
> sometimes off the wall, but that folklore seems extreme.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#87 "The Naked Mainframe" (Forbes
Security Art
bbreynolds writes:
> Was that a component which was shared by the 3033? Something
> unique to the the 4341? I know that IBM's internal politics were
> sometimes off the wall, but that folklore seems extreme.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#87 "The Naked Mainframe" (Forbes
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l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
> Originally mentioned old email
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#email790404
> in
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#12 Multics Nostalgia
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#87 "The Naked Mainframe"
r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) writes:
> Well... I remember Ronald Reagan, I know what White House is, but
> neither I know Ollie North, nor I know what is PROFS and what is
> relationship of VM to Ronald Reagan.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#87 "The Naked Mainframe" (Forbes
S
ps2...@yahoo.com (Ed Gould) writes:
> Now this goes back aways and my memory is not 100 percent but...
>
> There are probably some of you here that remember when the White House
> (in the 70's-80's) lost a lot of email from around the time of
> Watergate.
>
> I had a friend who was an IBMer working
r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) writes:
> I would like to see the numbers above with avg MIPS for every kind of
> OS. I guess that MIPS number is much higher for TPF and z/OS and quite
> low for VSE. Last but not least: I do not expect to much (any?)
> customer with z/VM and no other OS. Incl
t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes:
> Right. And when VM had 20,000 licences, most of them were running
> PROFS on CMS. (Remember the Reagan White House, and Ollie North...)
recent post also referring to above:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#8 Happy DEC-10 Day
from the 60s, CMS was ma
g...@gabegold.com (Gabe Goldberg) writes:
> Here's the Web page I found, it's stories from Stretch/Harvest, a
> couple of notable S/360 predecessors:
> http://users.bestweb.net/~collier/sh/stories.html -- with the obit I
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#51 Source code for s/360
http://ww
m...@mentor-services.com (Mike Myers) writes:
> I worked on a couple of projects in my two years there, CLEAR, which
> was a library source management system used to maintain OS/360 source
> code and the MEMMAP project mentioned earlier.
one of the problems that the JES2 group had was that they di
m...@mentor-services.com (Mike Myers) writes:
> On thinking it over some, it had to be early 1968, ending around March
> or so (I just reviewed my CV and found I went to FE education in April
> of 1968). So maybe it was closer to Release 11 or 12. Wasn't release
> 14 actually 14/15 (not that that m
lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com (Lindy Mayfield) writes:
> i can do that on vm? create my own instruction?
originally virtual machine system was cp40 done on a 360/40 with custom
hardware modifications to support virtual memory.
when standard virtual memory became available with 360/67 ... cp40
morph
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes:
> my gcard.html ... was q&d conversion of (CMS) IOS3270 file that was
> widely available internally, I wasn't the o
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chrisma...@belgacom.net (Chris Mason) writes:
> [2] http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/gcard.html
>
> [3] There is actually a mistake on the supposedly "green card" text i
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler writes:
> 2nd hand tale of some of the competitors testimony in gov./ibm
> anti-trust trial ... all computer manufacturers knew b
Howard Brazee writes:
> And the IS community has to realize that any solution is flawed if it
> requires these salesmen and/or everybody who does on-line shopping to
> be experts in security.
we had been called in to consult with a small client/server startup that
wanted to do payment transaction
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com (Edward Jaffe) writes:
> The story, as told by John Ehrman, is that the POO got so big, it
> broke the book build software and nobody at IBM has the time,
> inclination, or knowledge to fix it. :-(
it would be fun to get a look at it to fix generation of html ... POO
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l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
> there has been some amount of churn in the UK with their chip payment
> card about something analogous ... where the dispute burden of proof is
> now effectively on the consumer.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#1 Korean bank
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
> however, by at least the early 90s, there were cases of compromised
> end-points recording valid information (done during the process of valid
> transactions). these operations tended to be more large scale wholesale
> operat
s...@pscsi.net (Sam Siegel) writes:
> Every state has laws regarding the retention of data related to the conduct
> of business. The amount of time is typically 3 to 7 years. No keeping the
> receipts (or copies thereof) could create legal problems as well.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.h
t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes:
> I'm not sure why this offends you so much. How would it help anything
> if the cashier checked your signature? Such checking is highly
> unreliable, and contributes much less to authentication than does the
> data they already know about the transaction.
a
p...@voltage.com (Phil Smith) writes:
> I've heard of the "YES" cards, and I assume they exist, but they're
> not the norm yet -- cloned magstripes are. So for now, at least,
> chip-and-pin is more secure.
misc. past posts mentioning "YES CARD":
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#71 Korean bank
charles.har...@ca.com (Hardee, Charles H) writes:
> What really peeves me is when I go into a merchant, present my plastic
> for my purchase and ma told I don't need to sign anything,
> What, no signature? But how do you know it's me? You didn't check my
> signature on the back of the plastic again
Howard Brazee writes:
> We probably need to go bio-metric - but this is including on-line
> purchases.Our current system of random, unique, not-written-down
> passwords does not work.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#93 Korean bank Moves back to Mainframes
(...no, not back)
the iss
charles.har...@ca.com (Hardee, Charles H) writes:
> I, too, don't see how they can be more secure.
> Possession is supposedly 9/10ths as the saying goes, but unless there's
> something bio-metric in the chip/card/human being relationship, I would
> have to say that the chips cards are no more, if n
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car...@illustro.com (Chuck Arney) writes:
> I don't know anything about the actual problem from the description but
> my guess is it takes the "YY" value as hex ins
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e99...@jp.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes:
> So it's very important to decode that term whenever having detailed
> conversations about scale, sizing, growth, and o
ray.pea...@macro4.com (Ray Pearce) writes:
> It would appear that the "workaround" is to get the ATM's to revert to
> reading the mag-strip rather than using the chip. I guess this is just a
> quick fix while they bite the bullet and re-issue 30 million cards.
i got a tour of large card personaliz
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Howard Brazee writes:
> The question is - are they secure enough?It takes more work to
> clone a chip card, but do crooks who have the technology to use
> mag-
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