Re: What's a "programming language"

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:41:57 -0600, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >> and the CM was often rendered as "card muncher" > >Also "Card Mangler". >... And "Card Mulcher". A machine that flexable acquires many nicknames. Pat O'Keefe --

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bruce Black > > > MFCM. The MF was often rendered in a vulgar fashion. Used on the > > 360/20. > > and the CM was often rendered as "card muncher" Also "Card Mangler". -jc-

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MFCM. The MF was often rendered in a vulgar fashion. Used on the 360/20. and the CM was often rendered as "card muncher" -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PRO

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:59:01 -0600, Eric N. Bielefeld wrote: >If I remember correctly, the 2560 could read about 300 cards per minute. >Compare that to the 2540 (I think) being able to read about 1,000 CPM. >Punching on the 2560 was much slower, but I can't remember. Offline Patrick Falcone gav

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If I remember correctly, the 2560 could read about 300 cards per minute. Compare that to the 2540 (I think) being able to read about 1,000 CPM. Punching on the 2560 was much slower, but I can't remember. I spent many a day sorting decks of cards and running them through the 2560. We also used

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:54:13 +0100, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >You may recall I also offered a photograph with my previous post[1]. The >Model 20 looked about as I remembered it - although I had to imagine the >covers on. However, what was claimed to be the 2560 I wasn't really s

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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:29:48 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >... >MFCM. The MF was often rendered in a vulgar fashion. Used on the >360/20. >... Mother Fletcher does not approve of such vulgar language, especially when applied to her own equipment. She runs a high class establishment.

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day, 31 October, 2006 9:24 PM Subject: Re: What's a "programming language" On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:11:14 +0100, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >There's a danger of this thread becoming circular. No danger. It's already circular. >... >The

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/31/2006 at 07:37 AM, Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I remember the 2501, 2420 and 2540. What was a 2560 ?? MFCM. The MF was often rendered in a vulgar fashion. Used on the 360/20. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; s

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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:11:14 +0100, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >There's a danger of this thread becoming circular. No danger. It's already circular. >... >The 2560 was the card reader/punch and some other tricks ... like interpret >... which tended to go with the 360 Model

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n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Tuesday, 31 October, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: Re: What's a "programming language" > > > >>MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mul

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MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher). Well, I guess that you can't get away with the standard expansion in a public forum ;-) Standard? Certainly more common; usually mo

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/17/2006 at 02:33 PM, "Patrick O'Keefe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher). Well, I guess that you can't get away with the standard expansion in a public forum ;-) >2560, Sounds right. -- Shmuel (Seym

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I worked for a company that processed mail-in cards for free magazines.The people who copied those cards into our system were in the Caribbean and were instructed to type in just what they saw - their only concern was reading bad handwriting.Our computers had to figure out whether the cards

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In a message dated 10/17/2006 10:47:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That would have been (nasty) but fun to see the company trying to balance the accounts. I don't recall ever seeing a place where I worked a "return" item that was read by punch card type machin

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hter during the telephone call. John P Baker Software Engineer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 23:47 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What's a "programming language"

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On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Ed Finnell wrote: -SNIP Well, he's the same guy who overpunched a '-' on his utility bill and every time they'd process it they'd owe him more money. I'm not taking sides he was/is a really good systems person, mora

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In a message dated 10/17/2006 5:09:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that's really going FAR BEYOND NASTY. Not sure but I think I'd consider that to be highly unprofessional. >> Well, he's the same guy who overpunched a '-' on his utility bill and every time

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- Probably the statute has run out. We had a really sharp sysprog, who fell out with the S/3 support and vice versa. He was finding bugs and fixes faster than support could keep up so it finally got down to if you keep making changes we aren't goi

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In a message dated 10/17/2006 3:54:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That little S/3 reader/punch was pretty reliable but we had operators that were exceptionally destructive; they managed to destroy the punch "pins" when someone fed in some wet cards and created a

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-- Card j MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher). 2560, I think. Reader, punch, interpreter. 2 hoppers; 5 stackers. About 8 stations (a guess) where cards could be stuck. Some of the stations were VERY hard to reach. Jams were

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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:35:32 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >... >>Card jams on a Mod 20's MFCM > >EXPN? Lrf, V xabj jung vg bssvpvnyyl fgnaqf sbe ? >... MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher). 2560, I think. Reader, punch, interpreter. 2 hoppers; 5 stackers.

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/13/2006 at 02:54 PM, "Patrick O'Keefe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Is something a programming language just because people used it for >programming? :-) An RPG program was sort of an accounting machine >simulator. While RPG is an awkward language[1] for general

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/14/2006 at 12:24 PM, Bernd Oppolzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Maybe that's another topic, but I found it always very strange to >spread application logic over a bunch of ISPF table definitions. You have to carve the bird at the joints. Sometimes table definition

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Maybe that's another topic, but I found it always very strange to spread application logic over a bunch of ISPF table definitions. I believe the application logic should reside in program modules, written in a conventional programming language, for example PL/1, COBOL or C. If I would use the

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:40:12 +0200, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >[1] Some funny system with ancestry between the S/360 Model 20 and the >iSeries of today (that is, the "RPG range") used diddy 96 column cards I >seem to remember. > Is something a programming language just because

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/12/2006 at 01:35 AM, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >QTAM, the "access method" that expected incoming messages to be >tagged with the date and time on being received by the QTAM layer and >to be tagged with the time when sent by the QTAM layer. Are you sure

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/10/2006 at 06:47 PM, Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Why single out COBOL to mention storage constraints? I didn't; I answered the question that was posed, which related to COBOL. Had Paul asked about FORTRAN or JOVIAL then I would have answered about FORT

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/12/2006 at 06:05 PM, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Thanks - but read my post again, by the "RPG range" from S/360 Model >20 to iSeries, I refer to the whole nave and the trancepts too. Except that RPG is older[1] than any of those systems, so it isn't the

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/12/2006 at 05:54 PM, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I seem to remember in those days JCL needed to see column 72 >"punched" where appropriate and continuations starting in column 16 >- not just a quoted character string - but memories can play tricks >...

Re: Preserving the interface (was: What's a programming language)

> From: "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >at 08:07 AM, Dave Reinken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >In the meantime, we still had EXEC2 that was twenty years old running > >on VM without issue that we hadn't gotten around to (or had a reason > >to) convert to REXX. This was code brou

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/11/2006 at 05:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >CDC Kronos used 10 because 8 just wasn't enough. I doubt it. I'm quite sure that the reason was the 60 bit word size. >The 701 allowed no choice but 8. Untrue. The design of the 701 had nothing to do

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/11/2006 at 08:07 AM, Dave Reinken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >In the meantime, we still had EXEC2 that was twenty years old running >on VM without issue that we hadn't gotten around to (or had a reason >to) convert to REXX. This was code brought forward from VM/SP t

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No. Three rows of 32. The cards are 3 1/4" by 2 3/4". I have some in my archive. Kirk Talman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 10/12/2006 10:50 Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: What's a

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ursday, 12 October, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: Re: What's a "programming language" (was: Google ... ) > right church, wrong pew. > > S/3. > > The later devices from that division had no cards -- S/34 S/36 S/38 AS/400 > iSeries. > > Cards were almost square and had

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Paul Comments are embedded. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: "Paul Gilmartin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Thursday, 12 October, 2006 1:50 AM Subject: Re: What's a "programming language" (was: Google ... ) >

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right church, wrong pew. S/3. The later devices from that division had no cards -- S/34 S/36 S/38 AS/400 iSeries. Cards were almost square and had circular holes like the old Univac machines, but quite smaller. The column sets were in two rows. IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 10/12/2

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96 column cards I seem to remember. - Original Message - From: "Lindy Mayfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Thursday, 12 October, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: What's a "programming language" (was: Google ... ) > Chris,

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Devices with three digit product codes were originally EAM (electrical and mechanical) equipment, e.g. 029 was a keypunch, 088 was a collator (match/merge), . The first "computers", which used vacuum tubes, also used three digits, e.g. I used a 604 which was an EAM computer with about 16 "

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is though. Regards, Lindy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What's a "programming language" (was: Google ... ) Lindy I&

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By DEFAULT an HLASM statement is continued on subsequent card images beginning in column 16. If, however, this default is inconvenient the ICTL assembler statement is available for modifying it. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA ___

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any of this ... > Somewhat akin to Clarke's Third Law: Any tradition whose origins are sufficiently obscured by the mists of antiquity is indistinguishable from magic thinking. > - Original Message - > From: "Lindy Mayfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Newsgroups:

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d out that, with the reputation QTAM had for performance, surely the date should be included also as the message was sent. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: "Rick Fochtman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Tuesday, 10 October, 2006 11:5

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or the "verb/instruction/macro". How *** the word "magic" could ever be applied to any of this ... Chris Mason - Original Message - From: "Lindy Mayfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Tuesday, 10 October, 2006 2:35 P

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> From: Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >I'm rarely a defender of Microsoft, but I think they do a pretty good job of > >carrying legacy interfaces forward. > > You missed the 'smiley' emoticon. > Because, I'm sure you were joking! > > The conversion to Microsoft Office invalidated years of

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On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 01:30 +0200, Lindy Mayfield wrote: > The point I meant to make was that you keep all the software you > bought for DOS or earlier versions of Windows? You said: "they [Microsoft] don't care if nothing works anymore". That was too hyperbolic for my taste, and my purpose was t

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On Oct 10, 2006, at 8:19 PM, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What's a programming language On Oct 10, 2006, at

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bject: Re: What's a programming language -- Ed Gould wrote: > On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote: > >> For me JCL isn't really so bad. Personally, IMHO, etc, etc, I >> really do like working with so

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:45 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: What's a programming language > > > On Oct 10, 2006,

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In a recent note, Tom Marchant said: > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:47:43 -0500 > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:11:07 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I'm confident also that a Turing machine > >>could be emulated in COBOL. > > > >Trivially, subject to storage co

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/10/2006 at 04:08 AM, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >In z/OS 1.6 and above, REXX can be included directly in ISPF panel >source. K3wl! I missed that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/10/2006 at 02:50 AM, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >The panel can easily parse the command into 3 separate values, but >there is no easy way for it to remove the leading spaces from in >front of the 'D'. That sounds like a case for pattern matching, but I a

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/09/2006 at 09:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I understand ISPF couples closely with Rexx; Only in the sense that ISPF facilities can be called from REXX, read REXX variables and set REXX variables. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:11:07 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I'm confident also that a Turing machine >>could be emulated in COBOL. > >Trivially, subject to storage constraints. Why single out COBOL to mention storage constraints? COBOL does have a few KB of fixed ove

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:53:00 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>is JCL really all that bad? > >I've never considered it bad. >So, I'm used to it. I don't consider it bad either, but it's nothing to write home about. Other vendors have done considerably better. The only one I ever u

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ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Preserving the interface (was: What's a programming language) This is sort of wandering OT, but I wanted to react to something: On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 21:36 +0200, Lindy May

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-- Ed Gould wrote: On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote: For me JCL isn't really so bad. Personally, IMHO, etc, etc, I really do like working with something that has been evolved and gotten better over the past 40 or so years

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On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote: For me JCL isn't really so bad. Personally, IMHO, etc, etc, I really do like working with something that has been evolved and gotten better over the past 40 or so years. You can still easily see the history in all of it. I love the fact

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>I'm rarely a defender of Microsoft, but I think they do a pretty good job of >carrying legacy interfaces forward. You missed the 'smiley' emoticon. Because, I'm sure you were joking! The conversion to Microsoft Office invalidated years of Macros I had written. DOS programmes, and old windows pr

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>is JCL really all that bad? I've never considered it bad. I started in this business as a JCL jockey in production support, long before the CONTROL/M's, CA7's, UCC7's, and JCLCHEK's of the world came into play. So, I'm used to it. And, the 'new' stuff that started with ESA just makes it easier.

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>Oh, someone asked what the L in JCL is for. I think, "language" but not >programming language? I do not see the word programming anywhere in the phrase "Job Control Language". Just because the word language is there, doesn't make it a programming one. When in doubt. PANIC!! ---

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This is sort of wandering OT, but I wanted to react to something: On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 21:36 +0200, Lindy Mayfield wrote: > The other end of the spectrum is Microsoft who tries to come out with > something brand new every few years, and they don't care if nothing > works anymore. Bog knows I'm r

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IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel A. McLaughlin Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What's a programming language What about REXX as an alternative? Well, there are limitations...so is JCL really all that

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What about REXX as an alternative? Well, there are limitations...so is JCL really all that bad? Daniel McLaughlin ZOS Systems Programmer Crawford & Company PH: 770 621 3256 [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you aim at nothing you will hit it every time. - Zig Ziglar -

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In a recent note, Kirk Talman said: > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:04:38 -0400 > > The point would be to note that JCL is the fish wrapper, not the fish. > Yes, but one doesn't wrap fish in paper that has previously been used to line the cat box (at least I don't). Whereas IBM gives me no

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In a recent note, Lindy Mayfield said: > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:35:07 +0200 > > There was a very interesting talk from Fred Brooks at the computer history > museum's 40th anniversary of the 360. > > Here is my transcription of his talk about JCL (pardon any mistakes): > > I tell my

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And if you follow the link to http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-jcl-6.html you will see JCL as one of the 1015 ways to generate lyrics to a notorious song. The point would be to note that JCL is the fish wrapper, not the fish. It could in today's terms be called a portal, an access p

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ssion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert A Rosenberg Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 00:09 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What's a programming language At 13:42 -0400 on 10/09/2006, John P Baker wrote about Re: What's a programming language: >Are HTML and XML pro

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Snipped: And according to this JCL is not a programming language, correct? Well, the "L" being language is more a bit of convenient identity. It could just as easily have been JCC - Job Control Constructs, or JCS - Job Control Statements. I tend to think of a programming language as commands

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lly royally messed up with superb competence. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: What's a "programming language" (was: Google ..

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nt: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What's a programming language Perlis's three-pronged formulation: A programming language provides mechanisms for o identifying a data type or data types, o specifying operations on them, and o speciifying a path

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At 13:42 -0400 on 10/09/2006, John P Baker wrote about Re: What's a programming language: Are HTML and XML programming languages? Again, I will argue that they are not. OTOH. Both JavaScript (Client Side Scripting) and PHP (Server Side Scripting) embedded into (X)HTML are Progra

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From: Scott Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rexx has a nice builtin function called 'strip' u can strip leading , trailing or both blanks. Extracted from the email below: "The person who originally posted the question about parsing 'SORT ADDRESS D' was under the constraint that he could onl

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Dave/Alan: Rexx has a nice builtin function called 'strip' u can strip leading , trailing or both blanks. Scott Ford Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From: Alan Altmark >Eh? Wouldn't it simply be better to give panels a way to reference the >words in the input fields? Or

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From: Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Eh? Wouldn't it simply be better to give panels a way to reference the words in the input fields? Or provide a STRIP function? As with any programming language, there are many ways panel logic could be improved. A strip function would be great, as would

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On Tuesday, 10/10/2006 at 04:08 GMT, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The original issue was whether panel logic by itself could be considered a > programming language, given that it lacks certain basics (such as iterative > logic). IMO the answer is yes, but I'm sure others would not agree

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From: Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't know the capabilities of ISPF computation. Is it possible to remove 64 leading spaces, then 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1; thus removing up to 95 spaces in 7 truncate/tests rather than "dozens and dozens"? I've done this with other editors. I've done simila

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All: I know inf Rexx that is relatively easy to do. I have written Rexx since it was first out. This is not a big problem, especially coupled with ISPF...a simple called function with a parameter... Scott Ford z/OS consultant Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

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In a recent note, Dave Salt said: > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:50:30 + > > There was a discussion on the ISPF listserv just last week about how to > remove leading spaces. For example, if the following were entered on a > command line: > > ===> SORT ADDRESS

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On Tuesday, 10/10/2006 at 02:50 GMT, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There was a discussion on the ISPF listserv just last week about how to > remove leading spaces. For example, if the following were entered on a > command line: > > ===> SORT ADDRESSD ... >

Re: What's a "programming language" (was: Google ... )

"Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/08/2006 at 07:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >What's a programming language? A language that can be used to define programs. >Must it have variables, assignment statements,

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From: "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at 07:42 PM, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >What about ISPF panel 'logic'; is that a programming language? No, nor am I convinced that it should be extended enough to become a language. In particular, I don't currently see the value o

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/09/2006 at 07:42 PM, Dave Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >What about ISPF panel 'logic'; is that a programming language? No, nor am I convinced that it should be extended enough to become a language. In particular, I don't currently see the value of iteration in a

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/09/2006 at 01:04 PM, John P Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >For example, under this formulation, a table of hexadecimal operation >codes executable on some S/3x0-compatible physical processor meets >the definition of a programming language. No, you'd need a far l

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/09/2006 at 07:57 AM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >How do I shoehorn JCL into this? You don't, but JCL is not a *programming* language. >I'm confident also that a Turing machine >could be emulated in COBOL. Trivially, subject to storage constraints.

Re: What's a "programming language" (was: Google ... )

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/08/2006 at 07:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >What's a programming language? A language that can be used to define programs. >Must it have variables, assignment statements, loops, GOTOs, ...? Not if it's a functiona

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On 9 Oct 2006 10:24:43 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mills) wrote: Paraphrasing, a programming language has - Variables - Data manipulation (MOVE, MVCL, PARSE, whatever) - Flow control (CALL, PERFORM, DO, etc.) I don't think a tab

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On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 10:24 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > Paraphrasing, a programming language has [...] Variables In fp style you don't have variables! _Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs_ (one of the great undergraduate textbooks of our age) doesn't get around to introducing vari

Re: What's a programming language

From: John P Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think that the definition needs to include something in respect to "human readable". Is JCL a programming language? Is SQL a programming language? Are HTML and XML programming languages? What about ISPF panel 'logic'; is that a programming language? It'

Re: What's a programming language

>"A sequence of vague instructions and obscure algorithms... Debugging: The art of removing computer errors. Programming: The art of inserting computer errors. When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: What's a programming language

That is the best definition yet. John P Baker Software Engineer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel A McLaughlin Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 13:46 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What's a programming langua

Re: What's a programming language

I like, to paraphrase from way back in time: "A sequence of vague instructions and obscure algorithms employed to manipulate data from various sources into reports of dubious usage to be foisted upon disparate organizations that were crazy enough to ask for them in the first place." Daniel M

Re: What's a programming language

ve that HTML and XML are best viewed as embedded data description languages. John P Baker Software Engineer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 13:24 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: What's a programming language?

John P. Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I have not yet taken the time to look at the question in detail, but Perlis's formulation seems to me to be totally inadequate. and I am reminded of a Sicilian proverb, "Fucilato, un re dev'essere ucciso". John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA

Re: What's a programming language

Of John P Baker Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What's a programming language I don't find this to be a particularly useful definition of a programming language. For example, under this formulation, a table of hexadecimal operation codes execu

Re: What's a programming language

rame Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 09:18 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What's a programming language Perlis's three-pronged formulation: A programming language provides mechanisms for o identifying a data typ

Re: What's a programming language

In a recent note, john gilmore said: > Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:17:52 + > > Perlis's three-pronged formulation: > > A programming language provides mechanisms for > How do I shoehorn JCL into this? > o identifying a data type or data types, > The data types I see are: - Data se

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Perlis's three-pronged formulation: A programming language provides mechanisms for o identifying a data type or data types, o specifying operations on them, and o speciifying a path or paths of control among these operations, has not been improved upon in, now, forty odd years; and it seems u

Re: What's a "programming language" (was: Google ... )

On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: --SNIP-- What's a programming language? Must it have variables, assignment statements, loops, GOTOs, ...? LISP 1.0 has none of those, yet is generally deemed a programming language. I know no trof

What's a "programming language" (was: Google ... )

t. Sort of like Script on barbituates. > What's a programming language? Must it have variables, assignment statements, loops, GOTOs, ...? LISP 1.0 has none of those, yet is generally deemed a programming language. I know no troff, so I don't know its capabilities. PostScript, howeve

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