Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Peter Sylvester
On 12/05/2012 05:50 AM, Clem Clarke wrote: I agree. MFT had a P command too, as I recall. You had to be able to stop the readers and writers, even though TSO, multitasking and all the good stuff hadn't been invented yet. Clem Several "started tasks" programs around do not need "authorized"

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Martin, Larry D
Tim, I believe the reason for the "Start in order to Stop" process is required in order to stop Unix Daemons that are running as a part of the process. I agree that the code to handle STOP and MODIFY commands is quite simple, but I don't have any experience starting and stopping Daemons.

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Peter Relson
JSCBPGMN is the "job step program name". If the question is is "am I a program whose name matches the job step program name" then that field can be used to answer. Note that I intentionally did not say "am I the program" because that can be very very hard to determine, if there are multiple pro

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
Peter, thanks, this is pretty much what I am looking for. Perhaps (thinking of the other responses) I was not sufficiently clear. I am not trying to write an encapsulated function which is guaranteed to solve this problem for any case. I have a particular program that may need to behave differentl

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Dec 5, 2012, at 05:32, Martin, Larry D wrote: > > I believe the reason for the "Start in order to Stop" process is required in > order to stop Unix Daemons that are running as a part of the process. I > agree that the code to handle STOP and MODIFY commands is quite simple, but I > don't ha

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread McKown, John
IMO, the "proper" way to stop a UNIX daemon is to use the "kill" command. That's generally how it is done in Linux, at least. The daemon normally keeps its PID in a known location, such as /var/run/daemon.pid. The normal way to stop it is to have a root user (or setuid program) issue something l

Re: LOAD and DELETE macro instructions

2012-12-05 Thread Peter Relson
All of PLPA is by definition refreshable. It implements exactly what refreshable means -- the storage might be "refreshed" (from its original state) at any point the system deems it appropriate to do so. If a page backing a PLPA is stolen, it is not at that point written to aux storage; writing

Re: CHPID TYPE OSE Port 1 of OSA Express3

2012-12-05 Thread Rebecca Martin
We have not resolved the problem yet - waiting for change control process. We do now understand the problem. The problem is because the OSA cards do not come with a default OAT that includes port 1. To use PORT 1 for LCS you must use OSA/SF to complete the configuration. There are 2 changes

Re: Correlating workstation userid to TN3270 logon using client certificates

2012-12-05 Thread Tom Ambros
This is what I was thinking. I believe I can require my admin users to use a particular port on the TN3270 server task and assign a unique set of LUs that way. Non-admin users would not have access to that port. If a user connects to the open port, they would wind up with an LU that would n

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread McKown, John
To my remembrance, START, STOP, and MODIFY we all original commands in OS/360 (I can be wrong, I don't go back that far). They do not do asynchronous functions like "kill" does. They basically post an ECB. It is up to the program to periodically query this ECB (see the QEDIT macro). That's why e

Re: Multiple HSM in one LPAR ?

2012-12-05 Thread Glenn Wilcock
No. You should not attempt to start two distinct HSMs within the same LPAR. Multiple HSMs within the same LPAR are only supported when they share the same control data sets and the secondary hosts are started with the HOSTMODE=AUX parameter. A good example of why you can't have distinct HSMs

Re: LOAD and DELETE macro instructions

2012-12-05 Thread John Gilmore
Peter Relson writes: It is already supported (z/OS 1.11) to do a LOAD with ADDR64 to an area above the bar for non-executable code if you have a data table module that you know can be above the bar (it better not have any 4-byte relocatable adcon's). A number of the tables that I routinely LOAD

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Bill Fairchild
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Re: OT: Hum, MS raising prices?

2012-12-05 Thread zMan
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Clark Morris wrote: > On 4 Dec 2012 10:10:42 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: > >I meant "legal code". My English is poor, especially in non-IT areas. > > In general, your written English seems as least as good as mine > (unfortunately maybe better since m

Re: LOAD and DELETE macro instructions

2012-12-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:31:03 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: > >I would rephrase Peter's formulation, > >"(it better not have any 4-byte relocatable adcon's)", > >slightly, changing it to > >"it better be AMODE(64)". > >His point is in a certain sense, or at least ought to be, obvious; but >that does not

BCPII question

2012-12-05 Thread ralf . zantopp
Hi all, I've developed a Assembler programs to change the system config via BCPII Interface. At the moment I'm able to query/change the weights, defined capacity, IRD-Management, Group-Capacity and some other fields. Now I try to activate OOCoD Records (perfom model conversation) but I can't fin

Re: LOAD and DELETE macro instructions

2012-12-05 Thread John Gilmore
Paul, I cannot answer your questions because I have never tried to put something above the bar that was not AMODE(64). Moreover, I do not recommend atrempting to do so. I will, however, conduct some experiments over the coming weekend and post the results I get. I do have a more general comment

Re: Multiple HSM in one LPAR ?

2012-12-05 Thread Lizette Koehler
Glenn, Is there any safe way to test HSM exits without having a TEST LPAR? So if I only had an LPAR but needed to validate my code for an HSM Exit, any way to do that safely? Or would it be safer to bring up a new sysres set with the exits? Or a new LPAR for testing? Thanks Lizette > ---

Re: Correlating workstation userid to TN3270 logon using client certificates

2012-12-05 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Although I have only used RACF TERMINAL profiles for userid/password logon control, I believe they would equally apply to any logon, including one using client certificates. If you can restrict your admin users to specific set of LU names with a unique naming convention, then you don't need an

Re: Multiple HSM in one LPAR ?

2012-12-05 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Lizette, Is Setsys debug what you're looking for? Setsys debug Enable exits to test Test function using exits Disable exits Setsys nodebug Release Hardcopy Examine activity logs for the effects of testing exits. No need for a second HSM. -Original Message- From: Lizette Koehler [mailto

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread John Gilmore
Bill Fairchild is guilty of meiosis, the antonym of hyperbole. There is very much too much discussion of this topic in the archives. It is of course possible to get answers to carefully circumscribed special cases of this question of the sort Charles Mills is seeking. There are no general/generic

Re: Multiple HSM in one LPAR ?

2012-12-05 Thread Lizette Koehler
That was what Miklos Szigetvari asked originally. I was just trying to get an answer for him Lizette > > Lizette, > > Is Setsys debug what you're looking for? > > Setsys debug > Enable exits to test > Test function using exits > Disable exits > Setsys nodebug > > Release Hardcopy > Examine

Re: LOAD and DELETE macro instructions

2012-12-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:16:46 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: > >I have been guilty of poking fun at some of the terminology used above >the bar, but that should not be misunderstood. I would have named >some things differently, but I have nothing but praise for the quality >of the things themselves. In

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
> How does STOP work? >From a programmer's point of view, it sets a flag and posts an ECB. > Is MODIFY similar? Yes, both are quite similar in how they work. Modify is a flag plus the text of the command. AFAIR Stop is just a flag, but I might well be wrong and I am too lazy to look it up ri

Re: Multiple HSM in one LPAR ?

2012-12-05 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Hopefully he is still monitoring the thread. -Original Message- From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Multiple HSM in one LPAR ? That was what Miklos Szigetvari asked originally. I was

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks, John. It is so easy and facile to say "RTFM." Yeah, sure, it's in the archives. So is everything else. When I lived in NYC in the sixties, I had a friend who had this idea of selling the police "a list of everyone in Manhattan who smoked dope." It was the Manhattan phone book. I have a

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:03:16 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >> How does STOP work? > >From a programmer's point of view, it sets a flag and posts an ECB. > >> Is MODIFY similar? > >Yes, both are quite similar in how they work. Modify is a flag plus the text >of the command. AFAIR Stop is just a flag,

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
> May I assume that "telling" includes providing z/OS with the address of the > ECB(s)? Asking, actually, LOL. *--* * OBTAIN ADDRESS OF THE CIB * * From z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Authorized Assembler Services Guide p. 2-4 *--

Re: CHPID TYPE OSE Port 1 of OSA Express3

2012-12-05 Thread Chris Mason
Rebecca > For the OSE cards, when TCP/IP is started, it uses the information in the > TCP/IP profile to load the port with IP address, etc, that the port needs to > connect to the network. No. You or your "hardware vendor" - wouldn't that be IBM or has the world become more complicated with mo

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 11:02:26 -0600 Paul Gilmartin wrote: :>On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:03:16 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: :> :>>> How does STOP work? :>>From a programmer's point of view, it sets a flag and posts an ECB. :>>> Is MODIFY similar? :>>Yes, both are quite similar in how they work. Modify i

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Chris Mason
Gilmartin Stop bullying your erstwhile colleagues! You can put everybody out of their misery, yourself especially, by doing on what Charles Mills is famous for pouring scorn - RT fine M: 2.3 Communicating with a program (EXTRACT, QEDIT) http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/iea2

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Skip Robinson
The ability to terminate a TSO user with STOP is not used much, but I once worked with a shop that required, as part of their security/integrity environment, that a user never be allowed to reach 'TSO Ready'. The user was put into ISPF at logon and logged off upon exit from ISPF. Their focus wa

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Mike Schwab
How about creating a started task, say OPENCMD. When started, it determines what OpenMVS programs are running. Then the operator could issue /F OPENCMD,KILL *ALL for normal shut down all OpenMVS functions prior to shutdown, or '/F OPENCMD,unixcmd function option' and the function with options wou

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:02 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Historical question regarding the stop command > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:03

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread McKown, John
See F BPXOINIT for some of what you want to do. F BPXOINIT,TERM=pid[.tid] ref: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2G1B2/4.21.9 D OMVS,A=ALL will display all z/OS UNIX processes. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r)

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 12/5/2012 1:00 PM, McKown, John wrote: Same physical ECB. There is a control block, the CIB, which describes the communication. It has a "verb" for STOP, MODIFY, and START. Each of these reside in a CIB. I've never had an occasion to process a CIB for a STOP command, as it's easier just to

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Tim Hare
According to IEZCIB, STOP is x'40', MODIFY is x'44' and START is x'04': CIBVERB DSC - COMMAND VERB CODE CIBSTART EQU X'04' - COMMAND CODE FOR START CIBSTCOM EQU X'08' - COMMAND CODE FOR STC COMMUNICATION @G860P2G CIBMODFY E

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 December 2012 12:02, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>z/OS "knows" whether a program has gone through the motions of telling z/OS >>it was prepared to accept console commands. ... >> > May I assume that "telling" includes providing z/OS with the address of the > ECB(s)? It's been answered, but it's

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread McKown, John
Well, I know for a fact that some vendors still don't use MODIFY commands for their products. They "hang" a WTOR. Why? I guess it's just easier. I spoke with my manager, who used to work for a vendor. He said that for one product he knew of, what became an independent STC was once a subset of a

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Gord Tomlin
I had never heard of the ability to issue a STOP command for a TSO session, so I tried it with one of my TSO sessions (which was in READY mode), and nothing happened. It would appear that as of z/OS 1.13 this ability no longer exists. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a d

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
Okay, I'm getting this nailed down. To review, I am not writing a general purpose function and can safely ignore all of the "weird" cases like "two programs with the same name from different load libraries." We can assume true z/OS batch (not STC or anything Unix-ey). Let's ignore any 64-bit consid

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <076601cdd26d$7bc24590$7346d0b0$@mcn.org>, on 12/04/2012 at 02:19 PM, Charles Mills said: >1. What would be the best way for a program running z/OS batch to >answer the question "Am I the jobstep program, the PGM= program, >or was I LOADed and CALLed or ATTACHed (let's ignore XCTL for now)

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <20121205011050.5da6824...@panix5.panix.com>, on 12/04/2012 at 08:10 PM, Rich Greenberg said: >Tim et al, This is a pure WAG: And quite wrong. >The START command has been around a LOT longer than the STOP >command, No. >taps A on the shoulder, The standard way to do that is to use a

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <50bea8f7.1060...@valley.net>, on 12/04/2012 at 08:52 PM, Gerhard Postpischil said: >The PGM= entry is the jobstep program, unless you're processing a TSO > command (but you specified batch...). Even under TSO, PGM=IKJEFT01 is in a J/S task. He'll need more detail to do SA and RB chasing.

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <50bed27c.3090...@ozemail.com.au>, on 12/05/2012 at 03:50 PM, Clem Clarke said: >I agree. MFT had a P command too, as I recall. You had to be >able to stop the readers and writers, even though TSO, >multitasking and all the good stuff hadn't been invented yet. Multitasking was part of

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <50bf02da.9010...@edelweb.fr>, on 12/05/2012 at 09:16 AM, Peter Sylvester said: >Several "started tasks" programs around do not need >"authorized" features. QEDIT does not require authorization. IBM documented it back in OS/360, so it's hardly bleeding edge. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) M

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Gord Tomlin
The programming to respond to either a MODIFY command or a WTOR reply is pretty simple. From my POV the level of complexity is similar. In either case, to ensure that operator input is recognized and processed promptly, it is advisable to create a separate TCB to handle the operator input. Re

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread McKown, John
Just a thought on this. As you say, check that the TCB under which the code is executing is the JSTCB. Next, make sure that the RB back chain points back to the TCB. This means that it is the only RB on the chain and that you are not running via a LINK instruction. But you might be running on th

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Peter Sylvester
On 12/05/2012 04:18 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <50bf02da.9010...@edelweb.fr>, on 12/05/2012 at 09:16 AM, Peter Sylvester said: Several "started tasks" programs around do not need "authorized" features. QEDIT does not require authorization. IBM documented it back in OS/360, so

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 December 2012 14:49, Gord Tomlin wrote: > I had never heard of the ability to issue a STOP command for a TSO session, > so I tried it with one of my TSO sessions (which was in READY mode), and > nothing happened. It would appear that as of z/OS 1.13 this ability no > longer exists. I notice

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Jeremy Nicoll - ls mainframes
Charles Mills wrote: >Issue CSVQUERY >INADDR=ptr_to_any_addr_in_my_pgm,SEARCH=JPALPA,SEARCHMINOR=NO,OUTEPNM=eight_ >char_fld_in_writable_storage > > (I know some of those parms are defaults; I'm just being extra clear.) > Given RC=0, that gets me "my" name. Do I need anything else on CXVQUERY > o

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <2318b017-dbf2-4116-8388-d8d607ac0...@aim.com>, on 12/05/2012 at 06:36 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >How does STOP work? Is MODIFY similar? Almost identical; both chain a new CIB to the CSCB and post an ECB. The differences are: 1. ECB CC 2. CIB verb 3. No text from STOP command >Does ei

Re: LOAD and DELETE macro instructions

2012-12-05 Thread Jim Mulder
> Beyond that, to z/OS, refresh has meaning only to DIAGxx processing where > you can ask, for testing purposes, that refreshable modules be > page-protected. A minor correction: The documented REFRPROT option in PROGxx or SETPROG causes the full pages of REFR modules to be page-protected.

Re: LOAD and DELETE macro instructions

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/05/2012 at 09:00 AM, Peter Relson said: >All of PLPA is by definition refreshable. It's certainly refreshable these days, but it wasn't way back in SVS. OTOH, I always considered it to be bad form to write nonrefreshable code that was reentrant or LPA resident, even when it was sti

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 14:49:06 -0500, Gord Tomlin wrote: >I had never heard of the ability to issue a STOP command for a TSO >session, so I tried it with one of my TSO sessions (which was in READY >mode), and nothing happened. It would appear that as of z/OS 1.13 this >ability no longer exists. >

Page datasets

2012-12-05 Thread Lopez, Sharon
We have 9 mod-9 page datasets that are over 50% in useMQ Broker using most of this storage. Has anyone experienced anything like this? E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclose

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Bill Fairchild
It's in the archives multiple times. About once a year this same question is asked, followed by a flurry of technical replies, and finally a small flurry of "it can't be done in the general case" replies. Not everything is in the archives. And a lot is in the archives that doesn't need to be

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
Oh d***, you're absolutely right. Customer says EXEC PGM=alias but CSVQUERY returns the major name. D***, d***, d***! That is absolutely a real-world possibility even in my constrained set of cases. The alias would be an alias for the main entry point so finding the nearest minor name is not a sol

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Gord Tomlin
Yes the session was in READY mode, as I stated in my previous post. The console showed nothing other than the command I issued. No response. Give it a try on your system and post your results. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel:

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread McKown, John
z/OS 1.12. I was in SDSF under ISPF. I did a /P TSH009 command. I then exited ISPF. I next saw: IKJ56470I TSH009 LOGGED OFF TSO AT 15:22:15 ON DECEMBER 5, 2012 IKJ56400A ENTER LOGON OR LOGOFF- -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets® 9151 Boulevard 2

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks Bill, I understand what you are saying and I apologize if my reply was too harsh. There is no absolute answer: neither saying RTFM nor explaining basics to a newbie is the right answer in every case. Someone asked here the other day "so, how do I set up a WLM?" Unquestionably the right answe

Re: Multiple HSM in one LPAR ?

2012-12-05 Thread Glenn Wilcock
Hi Lizette, If the intent is to test a different version of an Exit, then there is a possibility. I've never verified that this works, but it's something that may be tried... Use the MASH support to start an AUXILIARY HSM. (Yes, I know, our documentation needs to be improved regarding MASH).

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:17:05 -0500, Gord Tomlin wrote: >Yes the session was in READY mode, as I stated in my previous post. > Then that is the problem. You didn't read the OP carefully. You have to be in ISPF when the STOP command is issued and it keeps you from getting to the READY prompt, wh

Re: CHPID TYPE OSE Port 1 of OSA Express3

2012-12-05 Thread Rebecca Martin
Yes Chris I did state this wrong "For the OSE cards, when TCP/IP is started, it uses the information in the TCP/IP profile to load the port with IP address, etc, that the port needs to connect to the network." Good thing I am not the communication person here :) The bottom line (for us) was t

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:31:29 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote: >On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:17:05 -0500, Gord Tomlin > wrote: > >>Yes the session was in READY mode, as I stated in my previous post. >> > >Then that is the problem. You didn't read the OP carefully. You have to >be in ISPF when the STOP command

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <0816473914760532.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 12/05/2012 at 11:02 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Same ECB or different ECB? All commands chaining a CIB to the CSCB use the same ECB; this is one of the cases where a service not requiring authorization is documented[1] in a z/OS M

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <50bf9958.2000...@valley.net>, on 12/05/2012 at 01:58 PM, Gerhard Postpischil said: >I've never had an occasion to process a CIB for a STOP command, as >it's easier just to test the communications ECB. Start and Modify >both post with x'40', while STOP posts with x'50'. Back in the old da

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 12/05/2012 at 02:33 PM, Tony Harminc said: >It's been answered, but it's worth noting that it's "ECB", not >"ECB(s)". That is, there is effectively but one such ECB per >address space, For a batch job there are two; one is for the Initiator. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysPro

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
Suppose I modify the logic as follows. Does anyone see a problem with this? Issue CSVQUERY OUTMJNM=name to determine the major name associated with some address in "me." (Any old address.) Get the jobstep program name from the JSCB. Issue CSVQUERY INEPNAME=jscbpgnm,SEARCHMINOR=YES,OUTMJNM=eight_c

Re: Announcing z/OS port of PCRE 8.31 - version 0.1 beta

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <2995AB0EF65FC04B9EFA195743207717118A93CF@MSPWPA-DITDG1B.doitt.nycnet>, on 12/04/2012 at 06:20 PM, "Barkow, Eileen" said: >2. To overcome the cultural issue of the traditional conservatism >of Mainframe application developers and get them to understand, >learn and use regular expressions

Re: LOAD and DELETE macro instructions

2012-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <7745356004468557.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 12/04/2012 at 08:49 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Does ADDR= require APF authorization? >From z/OS MVS Programming: Authorized Assembler Services Reference, Volume 3(LLA-SDU), SA22-7611-11: Minimum authorization: Problem state or

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Skip Robinson
Of course I had to try it for the first time in years. 1. Logon to TSO as SKIP01 at z/OS R13. 2. Issue P SKIP01 from a console. 3. Hit a few times, just get Ready. I.e. 'nothing happens'. 4. Then... pdf IKJ56620I MVS STOP command encountered. TSO/E session is terminated. IKJ56470I SKIP01

Specific CSVQUERY question

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
If I execute CSVQUERY INEPNAME=INNAME,SEARCH=JPALPA,OUTMJNM=OUTNAME am I correct in my interpretation that for any valid entrypoint name in INNAME currently known for my address space, OUTNAME will contain the major entrypoint name associated with INNAME? That's how I RTFM but it's not

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
... implying that TSO is TM'ing the CIB on the way by, not doing a WAIT ECBLIST on the ECB and the terminal. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Skip Robinson Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 1:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:49 -0500 on 12/05/2012, Gord Tomlin wrote about Re: Historical question regarding the stop command: I had never heard of the ability to issue a STOP command for a TSO session, so I tried it with one of my TSO sessions (which was in READY mode), and nothing happened. It would appear that

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 15:31 -0600 on 12/05/2012, Mark Zelden wrote about Re: Historical question regarding the stop command: On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:17:05 -0500, Gord Tomlin wrote: Yes the session was in READY mode, as I stated in my previous post. Then that is the problem. You didn't read the OP carefully.

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 15:00 -0500 on 12/05/2012, Gord Tomlin wrote about Re: Historical question regarding the stop command: Think back to the complaints when Windows first came up with the "Start" button..."What, I have to click Start to stop my computer?" Because you are starting the STOP/SHUT-DOwN process?

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 13:57:35 -0800, Skip Robinson wrote: >Of course I had to try it for the first time in years. > >1. Logon to TSO as SKIP01 at z/OS R13. >2. Issue P SKIP01 from a console. >3. Hit a few times, just get Ready. I.e. 'nothing happens'. >4. Then... > > pdf >IKJ56620I MVS STOP comma

Re: LOAD and DELETE macro instructions

2012-12-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:07:25 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >>Does ADDR= require APF authorization? > >From z/OS MVS Programming: Authorized Assembler Services Reference, >Volume 3(LLA-SDU), SA22-7611-11: > >Minimum authorization: Problem state or supervisor state, and any >

Re: Specific CSVQUERY question

2012-12-05 Thread Micheal Burn
I had post about this a while ago If you specify an assembler entry name Can you get the CSECT major entry point Don't think you can Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > If I execute > > CSVQUERY INEPNAME=INNAME,SEARCH=JPALPA,OUTMJNM=OUTNAME > > am

Re: Specific CSVQUERY question

2012-12-05 Thread John Gilmore
Charles, The information you are seeking is, I think, better disentangled by the CSVINFO macro. Have you looked at this macro too? John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instr

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 December 2012 17:11, Charles Mills wrote: > ... implying that TSO is TM'ing the CIB on the way by, not doing a WAIT > ECBLIST on the ECB and the terminal. Yes - which also implies that the security provided by this scheme is illusory, since anyone who can run a program of their choice can ef

Re: Specific CSVQUERY question

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
John, thanks. I did. It looked more complex. I've got the other mostly coded, and have a test plan. About to give it a shot. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:08

Re: Specific CSVQUERY question

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
Don't *think* so. It can't be simply what the assembler calls an ENTRY. That name is not known by CSV. It has to be name known to CSV. It has to be an alias name or an IDENTIFY name. I *think*. And the "major name" is not a or the CSECT name (necessarily) -- it is the member name, the "name of the

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Gord Tomlin
Apparently it depends on the command used. TIME does not cause this behavior: [STOP command issued here] READY READY time IKJ56650I TIME-06:54:36 PM. CPU-00:00:02 SERVICE-34255 SESSION-04:12:58 DECEMBER 5,2012 READY alloc f(foo) da(*) IKJ56620I MVS STOP command encountered. TSO

Query for IBM Systems Magazine website article on z/OS community

2012-12-05 Thread Gabe Goldberg
Maybe you saw this article... 40 Years of VM Community—and Going Strong! http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/trends/z-vm/vm_community/ ...and wondered when it would be the z/OS community's turn. That's now. More than for most articles, I need suggestions and contributions from the community

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Skip Robinson
I confess to not knowing the gizzard level details, but I suspect that TIME is not a 'real' TSO command in the way that D T (I'm told) is not a real console command. The gizzard wizards on the list can evaluate this opinion. In any case, aside from some odd reports of inconsistency, it would a

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Jeremy Nicoll - ls mainframes
Skip Robinson wrote: > In any case, aside from some odd reports of inconsistency, it would appear > that 'P userid' pretty much relegates a user to the trash heap once out of > ISPF, which was the original goal of the shop I mentioned earlier. Did that requirement occur before ispf exits were su

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Charles Mills
Okay! It's all working. The C++ program that needs to make this determination does the following: - Calls a C++ method to get the PGM= name from the JSCB and stores it in char pgmEqualName[9]; - Calls an assembler subroutine that issues CXVQUERY INEPNAME=(R2),SEARCH=JPALPA,OUTMJNM=(R6) where R2 p

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 12/5/2012 4:16 PM, Charles Mills wrote: The alias would be an alias for the main entry point so finding the nearest minor name is not a solution. D***, d***, d***! Since this appears to be your own program, consider putting an id (and date/time) at the entry, allowing a simple check regardl

Re: Who loaded me?

2012-12-05 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 12/5/2012 10:10 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: The PGM= entry is the jobstep program, unless you're processing a TSO command (but you specified batch...). Even under TSO, PGM=IKJEFT01 is in a J/S task. True, but irrelevant. A user program locating its JSTCB isn't going to see the sys

Re: Query for IBM Systems Magazine website article on z/OS community

2012-12-05 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
g...@gabegold.com (Gabe Goldberg) writes: > z/OS folk have an eight year head start on VMers, with predecessor > first versions announced 1964 and shipped 1965 -- so there should be > plenty of stories. Please keep 'em brief, to fit almost 50 years into > a short article. old post about contacting

CICS screen scrapping using biztalk

2012-12-05 Thread Jake anderson
Hello Group, Cross Posting to both Newsgroup. We have got a requirement of performing CICS screen scrapping using Biztalk(HIS). Just curious to know if someone has implemented it, if yes I am particularly interested to know from Z/OS perspective if IBM EE(extender Enterprise) and OSA card is requ

Re: Historical question regarding the stop command

2012-12-05 Thread Ed Gould
TIME is itself part of the TMP. Ed On Dec 5, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Gord Tomlin wrote: Apparently it depends on the command used. TIME does not cause this behavior: [STOP command issued here] READY READY time IKJ56650I TIME-06:54:36 PM. CPU-00:00:02 SERVICE-34255 SESSION-04:12:58 DECEMBER 5

Re: Page datasets

2012-12-05 Thread nitz-...@gmx.net
> We have 9 mod-9 page datasets that are over 50% in useMQ Broker using > most of this storage. Has anyone experienced anything like this? I seem to remember having seen something like this. All of those pages went out to AUX when MQ Broker was started (apparently having something to do wit

Re: CICS screen scrapping using biztalk

2012-12-05 Thread Timothy Sipples
You've got a lot of things jumbled up in that question, Jake. :-) OK, to connect to CICS Transaction Server you need to connect, so yes, you will need physical network connectivity of some kind. The preferred way to do that is with an OSA Express adapter, yes. In the past there were many channel-a

Re: Extended Format ZFS's and Indirect volser support

2012-12-05 Thread retired mainframer
The extended format indicator is in the format 1 DSCB. Until the catalog service tells whoever is requesting the location of the dataset what pack it is on, the extended attributes of the dataset can not be known. Therefore, indirect volser support should work the same for any zFS file. :>:

Re: Page datasets

2012-12-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/12/2012 12:57 PM, nitz-...@gmx.net wrote: We have 9 mod-9 page datasets that are over 50% in useMQ Broker using most of this storage. Has anyone experienced anything like this? I seem to remember having seen something like this. All of those pages went out to AUX when MQ Broker was s