--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: I was looking for a photo of the breast collar or breast plate
that I use and came across this picture. I decided to send a non-
flattering photo and see what you think. I have since quit riding this
horse with a bit,
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think that Icelandic Horses do a saddle rack?
Judy
I'm going to apologize ahead of time - I don't have a
lot of time to post right now.
But yes, I do think they saddle rack. I think they tolt
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm with you, Kim. I don't use the word brokk when I mean trot
-And there are a lot of folks out there who feel the same.
I NOW use mainly english words with Osp. But when we first started
working
---That's exactly what I do. I use the words lateral
gait or diagonal gait. If it's clear what they are doing, I try to use
the correct terminology, but sometimes it's hard to make that distinction.
Exactly. We've all been there, confused about gaits in general or about a
But yes, I do think they saddle rack. I think they tolt (rack),
foxtrot, hard pace, etc... I think there's a huge range in our horses and
each one moves a little different. Some move more stiffly and tend towards
paciness. Some move with a lot of looseness and tend towards foxtrot or
Karen, since I am rather new to the list, would you say again why Loftur is
less stiff now? Did you find a way to relieve his pain? His stiffness?
Twist, the off-track Standardbred paced at the track, wearing the
traditional track hobbles to enfore the pace. He has a very straight hind
leg
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Dawn brought up a good point. I'd never heard
the stiffness trait
so strongly associated with pace until I got Icelandics. How true
is this?
I guess my gut tells me that a lot of gaited horses get pacey
I'm not sure of the why, but thinking back, I can think of quite a few
stiff Icelandics. I was told that horses who tend towards pace can get
stiff, I'm not totally sure if it happens this way, or the other way around,
maybe from riding style, tight saddles, etc. Maybe it depends on the
well list it out according to diagonal/lateral would you?? I get
those so mixed up. also square
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
On 7/2/07, dawn_atherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think that Icelandic Horses do a saddle rack?
Judy
I'm going to apologize ahead of time - I don't have a
lot of time to post right now.
But yes,
And she is going to make it
adjustable for me to use on different horses. I will
still use something to mount from when avaliable, but
I won't feel I have to stay on in the desert where
there is NOTHING to mount from. And I won't have to
beg someone to get off their horse to hold the off
.Ok. Forget what I mostly said in the last post. NO SOaking.
Ok...what do you suggest after a horse's first trim after foundering 8 wks
earlier? She was getting better but after her trim, she is quite sore on one
hoof. I have given her bute and am going to take her to the ocean when I get
I am going to use the American
terms for different gaits. I would be perfectly happy just cutting
the word tolt out of my vocabulary, I don't think I really use the
term anyway.
Kim
I have been vondering why you use the word tölt in the US because you
are not happy with it and already
I notice that 'walk' is next to 'square' - yet Gat will sometimes do a
walk that is lateral, if that makes sense.
The ideal walk will be square. It can go either to the diagonal or the
lateral.
Here's some camels walking:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6m4IRgVQ-jY
Is their walk to the
On 01/07/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If there were more Pasos close to me, I might make that my next gait
project...but Cary already commented on me being gait-obsessed the day I
noticed that I have a cat that paces. (He had to agree - she really does
pace!)
Karen Thomas, NC
some horses arent stiff and they saddlerack, like stonewall, it is
like he trips so lightly and nimbly, like ballet. But jaspar, oh my
gosh, talk about stiff as a board. But in stepping pace he is nice
and soft. My fox is tense and stiff when saddleracking. So must have
a lot to do with build
To me, having people understand that there is a whole
range of gaits available with these horses is an absolute positive to
the breed.
Very positive.
I think being realistic and telling it like it is, is a positive for the
breed. There are three-gaited Icelandics, and I think that's a
On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 07:56:12PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote:
I notice that 'walk' is next to 'square' - yet Gat will sometimes do a
walk that is lateral, if that makes sense.
The ideal walk will be square. It can go either to the diagonal or the
lateral.
do you feel additional terms
Ok...what do you suggest after a horse's first trim after foundering 8 wks
earlier? She was getting better but after her trim, she is quite sore on one
hoof. I have given her bute and am going to take her to the ocean when I get
off of work.
Does this mean she will either have to be shod
I guess my question would be, wouldn't we be better to address stiffness
andinnate gaitedness separately? The way I see it, they MAY be related
sometimes, but often they aren't.
I agree with you, Karen.
My Stormur has always been a very pacey horse, but I don't consider him to
be stiff. He
I guess my question would be, wouldn't we be better to address stiffness
and
innate gaitedness separately?
Yes, I think pacey-ness can be derived from two different things.
Ljufur was a pacey horse. But he was loose pacey.
I think that was because of his musculature.
And maybe a
From the ClickRyder list:
This is pretty important in my mind. Why would targeting be either
'reassuring' or 'calming'? (scientifically speaking)
Even before discovering clicker training I found that going back to a
previously-learned behaviour was reassuring and calming. In fact, it
was part
I have been vondering why you use the word tölt in the US because you
are not happy with it and already have term(s) that describe the gait and
it's variations (talking about icelandics now)?
That's really a good point. I don't think a lot of us would use the word,
except that some people have
Pre-clicker, my best calm-down tool was asking her to do the Parelli
yo-yo game. She seemed quite proud of herself for being so good at
that, and took a lot of comfort from - I guess the confidence it gave
her to know she was doing something well. Who knows what they really
think? But that's
On 7/2/07, Mary Arena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do you all do with your hard wired pacey guys?
I appreciate him for what he is--- the best dang horse in the whole
dang universe :) actually, I love his smooth gentle stepping pace,
and when we need to go faster, skip the hard pace and go
I have been vondering why you use the word tölt in the US because you
are not happy with it and already have term(s) that describe the gait
and it's variations (talking about icelandics now)?
This goes back to the thread on who buys Icelandics.
Way back when, the people who were buying
On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 04:37:33PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote:
To each our own. I will probably always use the word tolt when
explaining their gaits to non-gaited people.
However, I will expand upon that word using North American terms when
explaining the subtilities and range of what that
I wonder what would happen if the TWHBEA for instance, started calling
all easy gaits walking or the RHBAA would call all easy gaits
racking. would actually be simpler and actually better for the horse
since people would stop trying to get horses to do gaits they aren't
naturally able to do.
On 7/2/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Icelanders have defined tolt to be the rack, but they have not defined
any other gaits between trot and pace, and it's about time they did. The
names and definitions are already in place, and despite the fact that they
don't want us to be
On 7/2/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been vondering why you use the word tölt in the US because you
are not happy with it and already have term(s) that describe the gait and
it's variations (talking about icelandics now)?
That's really a good point. I don't think a lot of
My Stormur has always been a very pacey horse, but I don't consider him
tobe stiff. He certainly can be, when he hard paces, but he's very willing
to soften when I ask, and can still be pretty pacey. He has a very
comfortable stepping pace and is offering what I think is saddle rack, more
and
Is their walk to the diagonal or the lateral?
In Southern gaited horse circles (and maybe more widespread too?) a camel
walk is not considered a good thing. It's a pacey walk, a clue to what
camels do.
But then the common names can be misleading. I don't think pigs really
pace, do they? I
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
do you feel additional terms are needed to describe those gaits?
--vicka
-Good point :-). I guess the question I have is this -
at what point is it ok to just say pacey or trotty? I would bet
that many folks would
- Original Message -
From: Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I appreciate him for what he is--- the best dang horse in the whole
dang universe :) actually, I love his smooth gentle stepping pace,
and when we need to go faster, skip the hard pace and go directly into
his gentle
do you feel additional terms are needed to describe those gaits?
-Good point :-). I guess the question I have is this -
at what point is it ok to just say pacey or trotty? I would bet
that many folks would happily accept the terminology of pacey tolt
or trotty tolt. There
when you say that Judy, do you mean they have defined it in statements?
How do they define it in evaluations and in showing.
In the videos of the bigger SHOWS where the riders are supposedly of higher
skills (?) I've only seen the horses rack. I've never seen a horse allowed to
run walk.
What makes up a pacey conformation?
One of the contributors is a long back, particularly a long lumbar span
(loins). I think that's why so many pacey horses are also prone to swaybacks.
Karen Thomas, NC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Icelanders have defined tolt to be the rack, but they have not
defined
any other gaits between trot and pace, and it's about time they did. The
names and definitions are already in place, and despite the fact that
they
don't want us to be right, some of them are using the terms
On 02/07/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i wonder if this is why, sometimes they will offer tricks without you
asking, maybe seeking the comfortable and familiar...
Janice
I've found that to be true. They go to something they know and have
been rewarded for in the past.
Wanda
Janice, here's something traditional to jazz up Teev's stirrups...
http://search.stores.ebay.co.uk/Ancient-Coins-and-Antiquities_viking_W0QQfcdZ2QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftsZ1QQsaselZ140496207QQsofpZ0
Wanda
isnt he just the handsomest... I can never look at him without my
heart soaring I love him so much. I tell my husband Jaspar is my
heart. he thinks thats funny :)
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
On 7/2/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How can a tolt, which is a lateral one / two foot support gait, become
trotty?
Does it still retain it's one / two foot support? if not...
Is it then a fox trot or not? (fox trot being a two / three foot support
gait).
If I can do this as an
If someone talks about sobreandando or corto or llano, I understand what
they are saying, and so does just about everyone on the gaitedhorse list.
If they don't understand, they ask, and are willing to learn. If someone
else comes back and refers to a sobreandando as stepping pace, pretty
The running walk is the center of the gait spectrum; it is not a tolt.
Tolt is a lateral gait.
then why is it that when my horse is doing his more-trotty stuff,
icelanders still spontaneously refer to it as tolt?
Because they are not sophisticated in knowing about gaits to identify or name
Still having a hard time with the 'what gait' pictures and used my 10%
discount coupon at TSC as an excuse to buy Lee Zigler's book. Flipping
thru the pages one of the first pages I found was appendix B, page 239,
Names of gaits. It shows that stepping pace in Iceland is called the
Flipping thru the pages one of the first pages I found was appendix B,
page 239, Names of gaits. It shows that stepping pace in Iceland is
called the Skeith tolt, the Running walk is called either the
Flugskref tolt or the Hlanpandc fetgangur tolt, Saddle Rack/Rack is
called Tolt/Hreina
We DO say that...sometimes, a lot! I love seeing a
good southern philosophy
When I went to Kentucky they said alot that ain't
right. Alot different than AZ talk. But I loved it.
Happy Trails from Lori
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a picture of the breast collar that I use
with the BMSS.
What kind is it and where did you get it. It is
hard to find one small enough for Scooter
Happy Trails from Lori
judy informs me that she is having trouble with my attempt to post my
correspondence with one of my icelandic-speaking friends about gaits,
because yahoo doesn't handle the odd characters that are part of the
icelandic alphabet. however, i now have some pictures she provided,
from the
Lori... you're home where's the pictures of Dagur?!?!?
:-)
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
Vicka's informant says:
Well, I'd think that as for the actual word tolt, the Icelandic
definition should do. Tolt is a four beat gait where the spacing
between the footfalls is even. One to two legs support the horse at any
given time, and the gait is thus without suspension. Flaws in tolt can
On 02/07/07, Anna Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't do it yet without the book, and still a bit overwhelming. So
many similarities between the gaits, but that one difference makes it
a completely different gait.
Anna
Yup...It's overwhelming, no doubt about it. From now on when I send
--- Anna Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/1/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
not something that most trimmers cut into, so 5
years of good trims, they were off.but definatley call them,
and
let them know, so that way they can have the option of helping
--- Karen Swingley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.Ok. Forget what I mostly said in the last post. NO SOaking.
Ok...what do you suggest after a horse's first trim after
foundering 8 wks earlier? She was getting better but after her
trim, she is quite sore on one hoof. I have given her bute
Hi Judy,
The ideal walk will be square. It can go either to the diagonal or the
lateral.
So could that can also be true of a gait like tolt - if a faster gait is the
same footfall as a walk and is square, then it would be neither lateral nor
diagonal???
Here's some camels walking:
Is their
I use it mostly for dryness. Its very sandy here and it helps keep
my
horses feet moist.
janice
Turpentine is a drying agent...it removes oil.( Oil strippers in the
paint section in the hardware store) It will give a temperary
softening effect because it removes the oil on the hoof thus
Col. Bradbury taught the Icelanders about the intermediate gaits; and I have
copies of his correspondence with them about the gaits, dated in the 70's.
how amazing. I wonder who he learned it from or if he figured it out
all himself... Imagine if you had nothing to go on at all how hard it
On 7/2/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have an easier time
guessing gait when the horse is moving...but that's only with some
horses...other's are harder to detect for some reason.
i agree, its very hard for me to guess gait also when the horse is
just standing there
janice--
On 7/2/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The running walk is the center of the gait spectrum; it is not a tolt.
Tolt is a lateral gait.
then why is it that when my horse is doing his more-trotty stuff,
icelanders still spontaneously refer to it as tolt?
Because they are not
That was a good article. Remonds me of my friend ruth says when a
horse rolls after a ride and a bath, it is a natural chiropractic
adjustment...
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
On 7/2/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Janice, here's something traditional to jazz up Teev's stirrups...
http://search.stores.ebay.co.uk/Ancient-Coins-and-Antiquities_viking_W0QQfcdZ2QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftsZ1QQsaselZ140496207QQsofpZ0
Wanda
how much is L165! I want the mythical
Yes! Yes!
My Hunter is a reactive horse. If we do the yo yo game before almost
anything he is worried about - especially trailer loading - he settles right
down. It seems to make him feel safe to do something he understands and is
good at. Almost like it focuses his brain. And boy howdy is
If skeith is flying pace then why do they call it skeith tolt?
i've never heard that phrase from anybody except in your last post (and i
can tell you are fluent in english, but i don't know what your level is
in icelandic?)
It's all over the place:
http://www.meningar.com/toelt.html
On 7/2/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We DO say that...sometimes, a lot! I love seeing a
good southern philosophy
When I went to Kentucky they said alot that ain't
right. Alot different than AZ talk. But I loved it.
Happy Trails from Lori
one thing tickles me in alabama...
That's also what I decided to do. Instead of trying to change hard pacing
Twist I decided to accept him for who he is and (oddly) he relaxed and began
to trot more often.
Sometimes I suspect I will never learn!
Nancy
On 02/07/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i agree, its very hard for me to guess gait also when the horse is
just standing there
janice--
Ha...ha...Janice...what would that gait be called? Would that be a
square stand or an imperfect stand or a stretched out stand?
I meant
Thanks! Lucky guy to come to your house. I can't believe what happens to
horses sometimes.
I was thinking chiropractor (so?) for Twist. He has the eyes of a horse who
has been badly treated so we've been trying to show him that life is good.
I'm not sure he's buying that, but maybe if he gets
On 02/07/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how much is L165! I want the mythical sea creature half horse one!
Janice
I believe that's in Euro? So that means it's terribly dear
What's a Euro compared to a US or Canadian Dollar now? (I checked)
1 Euro = 1.36 USD, or 1.43 CAD
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, running walk is in the center of the gait
spectrum. How is that named?
tolt.
--vicka
oh gosh Vicka, please PLEASE post that to the world group, a lot of
people there think if a horse does a to-die-for runningwalk it
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have not a clue how he got so worried, but Ill
be he wasn't born this way.
Maybe he was. Raven is reactive on the trail, unless
she has a horse in front of her. Today, I went side
by side with mom and Fireman, and as soon as Raven got
ahead, her
Ha...ha...Janice...what would that gait be called? Would that be a
square stand or an imperfect stand or a stretched out stand?
I meant between still pics and videos you goose...
it would be skeith brokk, to the lateral side of stand-tolt. One
person who stayed in iceland one nite at a
The ideal walk will be square. It can go either to the diagonal or the
lateral.
So could that can also be true of a gait like tolt - if a faster gait is
the
same footfall as a walk and is square, then it would be neither lateral
nor
diagonal???
A running walk can be slightly diagonal
a wonderful runningwalk
is not what they, or I for that matter are breeding for. I want a
good clear tolt/rack...in my Icelandics, now if they have other
easy gaits, I would be fine riding them, but it is not what I am
breeding for,
Skye, how do you define tolt, and what do you look for
then why is it that when my horse is doing his more-trotty stuff,
icelanders still spontaneously refer to it as tolt?
Because they are not sophisticated in knowing about gaits to identify or name
it correctly.
not sophisticated in *their own language*??
Not sophisticated in recognizing and
Wanda Lauscher wrote:
how much is L165! I want the mythical sea creature half horse one!
Janice
or does that symbol stand for British pound?
It's for a British pound...double it to get the cost in US
dollars...very expensive!!
Trish
i agree, its very hard for me to guess gait also when the horse is just
standing there
Wise guy! :)
Karen Thomas, NC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Turpentine is a drying agent...it removes oil.( Oil strippers in the
paint section in the hardware store)
No, actually that's backwards Skye. Cary and I have lots of antique
furniture that we've refinished. The stripper-stuff is not the same as
turpentine. You strip the old finish off and
I couldn't say if his conformation contributes more to his pacing or his
internal wiring.
He doesn't look like a pacer to me.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
I couldn't say if his conformation contributes more to his pacing or his
internal wiring.
wow, he's got those same prominent withers as jaspar, I wonder if that
is a contributor to pacey conformation?? Is that an illusion or is
there white along the topline of his spine? He carries his
A running walk can be slightly diagonal or slightly lateral. Any more
than slightly would make it a different gait.
Bingo! I think that's true of any gait, right? - there's a SLIGHT range
that is very hard to distinguish but if it's more than a slight difference,
it becomes the neighboring
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
then why is it that when my horse is doing his more-trotty
stuff,
icelanders still spontaneously refer to it as tolt?
Because they are not sophisticated in knowing about gaits to
identify or name it correctly.
not sophisticated in *their own
No on the white. The only white marks he has are on the backs of his front
legs - they look like rub marks from hobbles. He has a matched set.
Nancy
turpentine. You strip the old finish off and then clean it with turpentine.
The turpentine is actually a little oily, and I was told it put back some of
the moisture/oils that the strippers remove.
i wonder about different climates too... like I had an old timer
uncle who told us not to
e. You strip the old finish off and then clean it with
turpentine.
The turpentine is actually a little oily, and I was told it put
back some of
the moisture/oils that the strippers remove. (My father was the
last of a
long line of cabinetmakers in his family - I'm pretty sure about
this
a wonderful runningwalk
is not what they, or I for that matter are breeding for. I want a
good clear tolt/rack...in my Icelandics, now if they have other
easy gaits, I would be fine riding them, but it is not what I am
breeding for, and I do not thing its what they are wanting in evauls
Well lets seeI bought Skyfaxa because her preferred gait out in
the pasture is tolt...
Can you send some video?
That's about the only way we can see if we're all talking about the same
thing.
We bought Bylgia because Sally loves to ride her
She loves to tolt, she looks like a war
On 02/07/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
[EMAIL PROTECTED] We bought Bylgia because Sally loves
to ride hershe has a totally
different build, she is from kolkousi/Akuyreri, so her build is thick
and stocky, shorter neck, but it still comes into the shoulder nicly.
She loves to tolt, she
Mabye you guys have a defferent type out there...the turpentine here
dries the hoof wall.it removes the hoofs own oils.Mabye there
are 2 types.
also maybe if its something you do every day it makes a difference. I
rarely put any type of stuff on my horse's feet. unless i have
On 7/2/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---
I think that the tolt/rack is so smooth and easy to ride, that
anything other than that is not what Icelandic people are looking to
breed for.I
i would feel better about this one sided visit to the marriage
counselor if
On 7/2/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know that if I wanted to do a fox trot, I would buy a fox trotter
who did that gait, I am assuming that is what they are breeding for.
what i would do, is i would first learn what a fox trot looks like,
what it feels like in
a wonderful runningwalk
is not what they, or I for that matter are breeding for. I want
a
good clear tolt/rack...in my Icelandics, now if they have
other
easy gaits, I would be fine riding them, but it is not what I am
breeding for,
what is this tolt. define it?
Hi Wanda
and stocky, shorter neck, but it still comes into the shoulder nicly.
She loves to tolt, she looks like a war pony going off to battle when
she does, it makes us smile.
If she came from Robyn's...I think I rode her. Yes, she's lovely.
She didn't come from us - it might be Brynja
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
a wonderful runningwalk
is not what they, or I for that matter are breeding for. I
want
a
good clear tolt/rack...in my Icelandics, now if they have
other
easy gaits, I would be fine riding them, but it is not what I
am
When I feel my horses feet are dry...I use the following hoof spray.
Works great, and no caustic petroleum-based chemicals involvedjust
lanolin and vitamin A
http://www.healthyhaircare.com/hoof_moisture.htm
Wanda
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/2/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know that if I wanted to do a fox trot, I would buy a fox
trotter
who did that gait, I am assuming that is what they are breeding
for.
what i would do, is i would
On 02/07/07, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
She didn't come from us - it might be Brynja you were thinking about.
Brynja...yes of course.
Wanda
If she came from Robyn's...I think I rode her. Yes, she's lovely.
Thanks Wanda. Real words mean more to me than pedigrees rattled off.
Karen Thomas, NC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that the tolt/rack is so smooth and easy to ride, that anything
other than that is not what Icelandic people are looking to breed for.I
certainly can not speak for them, but if I breed Icelandics and kept getting
fox trot, I would be disapointed, I could see thinking of it as a trotty
As I am hiding in the house away from the heat, someone starts talking
about hoof moisture and in my addled old brain I remember that
somewhere in my tack shed I have a pricey bottle of hoof spray.
So tonight, everyone will have a hoof treatment
Too bad I couldn't remember the girth while I
i went to someones house once to see their new WGC bloodline walking
horse. they said it had a cadillac glide ride running walk. When I
got there I didnt know how to break it to her that the pronging
display tail flag thing all horses do was not a runningwalk bless her
heart.
Janice--
yipie tie
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