On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:52:58 AM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> In any case, I have two screenshots - [1] shows the config detecting one of
> my extra drives that it is not including by default. If I want it to be
> indexed, I remove it from the list which gives you [2]. Now, looking at
> this UI, the
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:38:59 Vishesh Handa wrote:
> Isn't that just because you've bad experiences with Nepomuk? Also, I'd love
> to know what kind of files you don't want it to index. I understand source
> code, but what else?
Temporary files, browser caches, configurations, build direct
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El Dilluns, 31 de març de 2014, a les 07:27:38, Lindsay Mathieson va
> escriure:
> > On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:19:26 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > > I don't like this automagic stuff.
> > >
> > > This is not a very good sentence to be h
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On 03/30/2014 06:44 PM, Thomas Lübking wrote:
I wasn't suggesting you were getting offended ... I was suggesting
Albert.
Yupp, got that.
My bad ... I read your original reply in haste. Sorry.
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I followed this thread closely. Although I haven't done real personal
testing, I hope I may leave some comments.
I agree with Lindsay that users should be allowed more control *not by
default*.
That would mean, having an 'advanced' tab that includes both Whitelist and
Blacklist options.
Even if B
On 31 March 2014 08:11, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 07:16:13 AM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>>
>> Why are you so intent on telling us what we should be indexing? what is
>> wrong with giving the user choice?
>
> Nepomuk was never just about "searching". It was also about applicat
On Montag, 31. März 2014 00:20:39 CEST, Pablo Sanchez wrote:
I wasn't suggesting you were getting offended ... I was suggesting Albert.
Yupp, got that.
No, didn't mean to.
Yes, was irritated by Alberts (suggestive) question.
Cheers,
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On 03/30/2014 06:15 PM, Thomas Lübking wrote:
On Sonntag, 30. März 2014 23:46:01 CEST, Pablo Sanchez wrote:
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On 03/30/2014 05:43 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
I did that twice today already. I am sorry i failed your reading
test. Will
refr
On Sonntag, 30. März 2014 23:46:01 CEST, Pablo Sanchez wrote:
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On 03/30/2014 05:43 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
I did that twice today already. I am sorry i failed your
reading test. Will
refrain for further commenting in this thread.
I don't think you should get o
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:13:09 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> El Dissabte, 29 de març de 2014, a les 11:17:45, Vishesh Handa va escriure:
> > On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47:46 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > > KDE 4.12.95 (Kubuntu 14.04 Beta 2)
> > >
> > > Is there work planned for this? bec
On Monday, March 31, 2014 07:16:13 AM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>
> Why are you so intent on telling us what we should be indexing? what is
> wrong with giving the user choice?
Nepomuk was never just about "searching". It was also about applications
getting built on top of it in order to leverage
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On 03/30/2014 05:43 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
I did that twice today already. I am sorry i failed your reading test. Will
refrain for further commenting in this thread.
I don't think you should get offended because perhaps there was a
translation issue but your
El Dilluns, 31 de març de 2014, a les 07:27:38, Lindsay Mathieson va escriure:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:19:26 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > I don't like this automagic stuff.
> >
> > This is not a very good sentence to be honest. You shouldn't be using a
> > computer at all if you don't like a
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On 03/30/2014 05:41 PM, Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:26:26 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
I'm not the one making assertions about most users.
I disagree. "Better to leave it bare and simple initially" seems like you
are making assertions about most
El Diumenge, 30 de març de 2014, a les 23:31:34, Thomas Lübking va escriure:
> On Sonntag, 30. März 2014 23:21:18 CEST, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > El Dissabte, 29 de març de 2014, a les 15:21:26, Thomas Lübking va
escriure:
> >> On Samstag, 29. März 2014 15:09:10 CEST, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> >>>
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:26:26 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > I'm not the one making assertions about most users.
>
> I disagree. "Better to leave it bare and simple initially" seems like you
> are making assertions about most users.
No, it means not predetermining the outcome, but seeing what us
On Sonntag, 30. März 2014 23:21:18 CEST, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
El Dissabte, 29 de març de 2014, a les 15:21:26, Thomas Lübking va escriure:
On Samstag, 29. März 2014 15:09:10 CEST, Vishesh Handa wrote:
I currently have no idea what is being indexed on my pc. I
have no way of
finding out. If
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:19:26 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > I don't like this automagic stuff.
>
> This is not a very good sentence to be honest. You shouldn't be using a
> computer at all if you don't like automagic stuff.
ha ha.
Automagic refers to software that tries to guess whats best
El Dilluns, 31 de març de 2014, a les 07:23:26, Lindsay Mathieson va escriure:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:19:58 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > You've surveyed users on this? have some data?
> >
> > Have you?
>
> I'm not the one making assertions about most users.
I disagree. "Better to leave it
El Dilluns, 31 de març de 2014, a les 07:18:25, Lindsay Mathieson va escriure:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:14:52 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > And totally breaks on any machine with multiple user accounts, which is
> > > actually quite common, both for business and home usage.
> >
> > Why would i
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:19:26 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > We don't need to filter out source code, it already does.
> > > We don't need to black list external devices, it already does.
> > > It just works out of the box.
> >
> >
> >
> > Except when it doesn't.
>
> Then it's a bug, report it
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:19:58 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > You've surveyed users on this? have some data?
>
> Have you?
I'm not the one making assertions about most users.
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El Dissabte, 29 de març de 2014, a les 15:21:26, Thomas Lübking va escriure:
> On Samstag, 29. März 2014 15:09:10 CEST, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> >> I currently have no idea what is being indexed on my pc. I have no way of
> >> finding out. If I change my directory structure or add extra
> >> media mo
El Diumenge, 30 de març de 2014, a les 00:05:01, Lindsay Mathieson va
escriure:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:00:36 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> > What I was really trying to do was hide the concept of "indexing" from the
> > user. They care about searching, not about "indexing".
>
> You've surveyed user
El Dissabte, 29 de març de 2014, a les 23:34:36, Lindsay Mathieson va
escriure:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 02:18:24 PM Andrea Scarpino wrote:
> > We had a bad experience with Nepomuk and now we want to control everything
> > about this new desktop search settings, but we don't have to.
> > We don't nee
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:14:52 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > And totally breaks on any machine with multiple user accounts, which is
> > actually quite common, both for business and home usage.
>
> Why would it break on multiple user accounts?
My searches shouldn't be returning results for other
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 03:44:34 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> It would be awesome if you could come up with some test cases where you're
> looking for a particular file, and the top result(s) is not the one you
> expected because of these "garbage" files.
Backups, Archives, Shared folder repositories
El Dissabte, 29 de març de 2014, a les 21:07:04, Lindsay Mathieson va
escriure:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:17:45 AM you wrote:
> > > - A simple black list will not do. I need a white list - the ability to
> > > specify disjoint folders for indexing, not the other way around. And I'm
> > > sure the m
El Dissabte, 29 de març de 2014, a les 11:17:45, Vishesh Handa va escriure:
> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47:46 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > KDE 4.12.95 (Kubuntu 14.04 Beta 2)
> >
> > Is there work planned for this? because as is, its quite confusing and
> > appears to be missing crucial set
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 04:53:50 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> Right now the other dirs contain almost everything else on my machine. If I
> index them, small images, short duration audio clips[*] get indexed and
> skew up my search results. At least in Plasma Media Center we're going to
> add
Right now the other dirs contain almost everything else on my machine. If I
index them, small images, short duration audio clips[*] get indexed and
skew up my search results. At least in Plasma Media Center we're going to
add an option to ignore images/audio/video below a certain
dimension/duration
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:38:47 AM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
>
> Another thing that I just remembered is that right now I have Nepomuk set
> like this-
>
> /media/Data/Music (index)
> /media/Data/Photos (index)
> /media/Data/Pictures (index)
> /media/Data/Other/Downloads (index)
>
> Now, /me
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 03:53:00 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> >
> > Last I checked, the list is as wide as the dialog and there is quite some
> > space where a full path will (mostly) fit in, so it should be good. Also,
> > is that bu
On Saturday 29 March 2014 15:00:36 Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 06:48:45 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> > Ok I plugged in my OtherDisk and it seems to work as you said, then I
> > removed the OtherDisk from the blacklist. Once I do that, there is no way
> > to know what is in
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 05:28:16 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> > You're trying to engineer the baloo config to be automatic for everyone
> > and
> > it just can't be done.
> >
> >
> >
> > Better to leave it bare and simple initially, and see what happens in
> > userland. It might shake out quite different
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:30:55 AM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:21:26 PM Thomas Lübking wrote:
> > > To me it translates to the simple fact that "I doubt that other people
> > > know
> > > what i want/need to be ind
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:30:55 AM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:21:26 PM Thomas Lübking wrote:
> > To me it translates to the simple fact that "I doubt that other people
> > know
> > what i want/need to be indexed and i'd like to know and control what is
> > indexed on MY bo
On Saturday, 2014-03-29, 19:47:19, Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Shantanu Tushar Jha
wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> >> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 06:48:45 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> >> > a whitelist, can you at least provi
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:09:10 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> In those cases they can report bugs and we can fix it. I would really like
> if you could bring many of these "edge cases". Lets try to find a
> solution?
If we knew them ahead of time they wouldn't be edge cases.
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:21:26 PM Thomas Lübking wrote:
> To me it translates to the simple fact that "I doubt that other people know
> what i want/need to be indexed and i'd like to know and control what is
> indexed on MY box", so don't try to turn it into a techinal insult, that's
> ridiculous. Yo
On Samstag, 29. März 2014 15:09:10 CEST, Vishesh Handa wrote:
I currently have no idea what is being indexed on my pc. I have no way of
finding out. If I change my directory structure or add extra
media mounts I
just have to have faith that baloo does the right thing.
It just seems a recipe f
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 06:48:45 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
>> >
>> > Ok I plugged in my OtherDisk and it seems to work as you said, then I
>> > removed the OtherDisk fr
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 06:48:45 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> >
> > Ok I plugged in my OtherDisk and it seems to work as you said, then I
> > removed the OtherDisk from the blacklist. Once I do that, there is no way
> > to know what i
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:00:36 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> What I was really trying to do was hide the concept of "indexing" from the
> user. They care about searching, not about "indexing".
You've surveyed users on this? have some data?
Users care about results and confidence in those results. Inf
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:34:36 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 02:18:24 PM Andrea Scarpino wrote:
> > We had a bad experience with Nepomuk and now we want to control everything
> > about this new desktop search settings, but we don't have to.
> > We don't need to filter out
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 06:48:45 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
>
> Ok I plugged in my OtherDisk and it seems to work as you said, then I
> removed the OtherDisk from the blacklist. Once I do that, there is no way
> to know what is in fact being indexed. If you are hell bent on not allowing
> a
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 02:18:24 PM Andrea Scarpino wrote:
> We had a bad experience with Nepomuk and now we want to control everything
> about this new desktop search settings, but we don't have to.
> We don't need to filter out source code, it already does.
> We don't need to black list external dev
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Andrea Scarpino wrote:
> On Sat 29, March 23:03:34 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > Ok, seems a bit complicated and black magic - I'd prefer to explicitly
> set
> > directories rather then hope the software guesses right.
>
> At the beginning I was with you: I thought
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:51:06 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> >
> > I'm confused - the external mount is shown, but I actually want it to be
> > indexed, so I removed it, as far as I understand from what you are
> saying,
> > only items
On Sat 29, March 23:03:34 Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> Ok, seems a bit complicated and black magic - I'd prefer to explicitly set
> directories rather then hope the software guesses right.
At the beginning I was with you: I thought we need a white list and not the
other way around and I thought we
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 02:04:11 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> If you remove the external media from the black-list, then it goes in the
> white list and is going to be indexed.
Ok, seems a bit complicated and black magic - I'd prefer to explicitly set
directories rather then hope the software guesses r
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:51:06 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
>
> I'm confused - the external mount is shown, but I actually want it to be
> indexed, so I removed it, as far as I understand from what you are saying,
> only items under $HOME are indexed, but my data lives under /data, not $HOME
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 01:40:58 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> The external mount is not shown in the KCM? If it isn't then we need to fix
> that. Please run the following command -
>
> $ solid-hardware query 'Is StorageAccess'
>
> You will get a list of ids. You can get more info about each of them via
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 06:04:09 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
>
> I had to read that ^ 3 times to understand what you are saying - probably a
> good enough indication already that its confusing.
> Also, I'm still confused how do I remove the external mount? You said only
> manually added fold
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 01:43:46 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> Feel free to take the old nepomuk KCM code and make it into a "Baloo Index
> Tweaking application". The backend code still supports all the features
> that you seem to want.
Fair enough. Would you know which repo/module it lives in?
--
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On Saturday, March 29, 2014 05:56:47 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 29, 2014 03:53:00 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> > > Last I checked, the list is as wide as the dialog and there is quite
> > > some
> > > space where
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:15:34 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:43:06 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> > Here is how it currently works -
> >
> > * By default your HOME directory is indexed, and all other external mounts
> > are are excluded.
> >
> > * The UI will show the lis
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 09:27:29 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:23:50 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> > > We do not index everything. That would be foolhardy. We just index your
> > > HOME by default.
> >
> > There's n
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 03:53:00 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
> >
> > Last I checked, the list is as wide as the dialog and there is quite some
> > space where a full path will (mostly) fit in, so it should be good. Also,
> > is that bu
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:43:06 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> Here is how it currently works -
>
> * By default your HOME directory is indexed, and all other external mounts
> are are excluded.
>
> * The UI will show the list of all excluded mounts and excluded folders
> that have been manually added.
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 09:27:29 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:23:50 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> > We do not index everything. That would be foolhardy. We just index your
> > HOME by default.
>
> There's no indication of this on the config UI at al.
>
> So how do I index
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:23:50 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> That's exactly what is done right now. How about you have a look at the
> config file and the implementation?
~/.kde/share/config$/baloofilerc?
Are there docs on its options?
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:23:50 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> We do not index everything. That would be foolhardy. We just index your
> HOME by default.
There's no indication of this on the config UI at al.
So how do I index Paths that are out side my home dir, such as my "/data" dir?
>
> > Just spec
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 09:07:04 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:17:45 AM you wrote:
> > > - A simple black list will not do. I need a white list - the ability to
> > > specify disjoint folders for indexing, not the other way around. And I'm
> > > sure the majority of peopl
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:38:59 AM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> What would you recommend? Apart from both white list and black lists,
I quite liked the old directory tree with check boxes. Flexible, clear and
unambiguous.
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:38:59 AM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> What would you recommend? Apart from both white list and black lists, which
> I'm against.
Why are you against them? considering you are using a blacklist.
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Am Samstag, 29. März 2014 schrieb Vishesh Handa :
> What would you recommend? Apart from both white list and black lists,
which
> I'm against.
regexp or other form of simple globbing (allowing negations) and use custom
(descriptive) names instead of a path tail?
Cheers,
Thomas
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:17:45 AM you wrote:
> > - A simple black list will not do. I need a white list - the ability to
> > specify disjoint folders for indexing, not the other way around. And I'm
> > sure the majority of people will be the same.
> >
> >
>
> What makes you say that?
The more I t
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:38:59 AM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332760
>
> It's not about the width. The single folder looks much better and is less
> scarier.
Good grief. I can't believe you said that.
Point me to a bug report of user list posting saying that direc
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:17:45 AM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> > - For a start off, only listing the last section of the directory name
> > will
> > not do. People will have many folders all ending with the same leaf and
> > its
> > impossible to tell them apart with this.
>
> I disagree. I don't think pe
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 03:53:00 PM Shantanu Tushar Jha wrote:
>
> Last I checked, the list is as wide as the dialog and there is quite some
> space where a full path will (mostly) fit in, so it should be good. Also,
> is that bug reported on bugs.kde.org?
>
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi
Hi,
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47:46 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> > KDE 4.12.95 (Kubuntu 14.04 Beta 2)
> >
> > Is there work planned for this? because as is, its quite confusing and
> > appears to be missing crucial settings.
> >
> > A
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47:46 PM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> KDE 4.12.95 (Kubuntu 14.04 Beta 2)
>
> Is there work planned for this? because as is, its quite confusing and
> appears to be missing crucial settings.
>
> All I'm seeing is a "Do not search in these locations' list of folder
> le
KDE 4.12.95 (Kubuntu 14.04 Beta 2)
Is there work planned for this? because as is, its quite confusing and appears
to be missing crucial settings.
All I'm seeing is a "Do not search in these locations' list of folder leaves.
- For a start off, only listing the last section of the directory name
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