mon around
250,000 miles.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:02:18 -0800
From: clay monroe
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My cousin sold the VW line for a decade. According to him, the cars are great
brand n
clay monroe writes:
> My cousin sold the VW line for a decade. According to him, the cars
> are great brand new, but he would advise to never buy a used one.
> They have very poor long term quality. He would lease the cars for
> his own use, but never buy them. Not worth the pain once the
> ca
was up against Camry and Sonata hybrids.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:23:29 -0600
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On Nov 17, 2011 6:08 AM, "Michael Canfield" wrote:
There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle.
What about an all-electric vehicle where the electricity comes from hydro-
or wind-power? Picking nits
On Nov 17, 2011 6:08 AM, "Michael Canfield" wrote:
>
> There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle.
>
What about an all-electric vehicle where the electricity comes from hydro-
or wind-power? Picking nits, I know, but here in the PNW we do get an
awful lot of our electricity from big turb
That is a much more accurate description.
Mike
On Nov 17, 2011 9:15 AM, "Mitch Haley" wrote:
> Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle.
>>
>
> How about 'remote emissions vehicle', or REV?
>
> Mitch.
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Michael Canfield wrote:
There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle.
How about 'remote emissions vehicle', or REV?
Mitch.
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There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle.
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On Nov 15, 2011 9:44 PM, "Gerry Archer" wrote:
> "World's first series produced diesel-hybrid was just introduced by
> Peugeot in the form of the 3008 Hybrid4 with 200 bhp and CO2 emission as
> low as 99 g/km."
>
>
> http://news.softpedia.
MotorTrend calls the Passat TDI the sedan of the year (or some such
foolishness) it was up against Camry and Sonata hybrids.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:23:29 -0600
From: Randy Bennell
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On 15/11/2011 5:57 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Allan Streib wrote:
A modern diesel in a similar sized car will significantly better a Prius
in terms of fuel economy.
...except when stopped. The hybrids excel in situations where most
drivers sit idling, or where there's a lot of stop and go.
Mit
"World's first series produced diesel-hybrid was just introduced by Peugeot in
the form of the 3008 Hybrid4 with 200 bhp and CO2 emission as low as 99 g/km."
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Diesel-Hybrid-Cars-Poised-for-Growth-in-Europe-223079.shtml
Gerry
The diesel powertrain produces a power
bought one, could have
transferred it from car to car.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:00:13 -0500
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I sold a '79 300D which had a low-mileage c
Exactly!!! Why won't they listen to us?
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> So why not put a Diesel in instead of a gasser, and reap the benefits
> of both! ;)
>
> Walt
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> > Allan Streib wrote:
> >
> >> A modern diesel i
So why not put a Diesel in instead of a gasser, and reap the benefits
of both! ;)
Walt
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> A modern diesel in a similar sized car will significantly better a Prius
>> in terms of fuel economy.
>
> ...except when stopped.
really cold you could even go to the Fairbanks package where you
> add a battery heater.
>
> Webasto even makes a key fob activated diesel fired heater. Truckers deal
> with these problems all the time...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:31:07 -0600
> From: Randy
Allan Streib wrote:
A modern diesel in a similar sized car will significantly better a Prius
in terms of fuel economy.
...except when stopped. The hybrids excel in situations where most drivers sit
idling, or where there's a lot of stop and go.
Mitch.
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Randy Bennell writes:
> There are lots of Prius around here as they are used for taxi
> cabs. They must produce reasonable heat in the cold weather but I
> assume the mileage is not quite like it would be in summer.
A modern diesel in a similar sized car will significantly better a Prius
in term
I don't think I am quite that modern. I like IC engines.
There are lots of Prius around here as they are used for taxi cabs. They
must produce reasonable heat in the cold weather but I assume the
mileage is not quite like it would be in summer.
Randy
On 15/11/2011 1:12 PM, Gerry Archer wrote
It would seem that an all electric car would solve several of your problems,
but Consumer Reports says the Nissan Leaf, for example, would probably
not do well in the winter where you live:
"Consumer Reports tested a Leaf loaner under cold-weather driven as a daily
c
2011 10:31:07 -0600
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How cold does it get where you are?
Randy
On 14/11/2011 7:55 PM, Curt Raymond
Well, Hendrik is in Oz where it does not get so cold as here.
In the dead of winter, I am essentially unable or unwilling to do much
for myself. We sometimes get 2 or 3 weeks where the temperature does not
get about minus 30C. That puts stress on a vehicle and is a common time
to have issues.
I
last
winter I drove my '83 I used conventional oil.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:59:28 -0600
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#x27;84 needs a carrier bearing.
> >
> > You COULD drive your car, plug in the block heater and it'll be warm
> > enough to start in an hour or two, synthetic oil would help but is not
> > required, the last winter I drove my '83 I used conventional oil.
> >
>
The Car is a Harsh Mistress
--R
On 11/15/11 9:00 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
Wow that was harsh!
Or funny, if you had provided a wink emoticon
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Hendrik& Faywrote:
Have you tried walking or public transit?
A vehicle is a luxury for the better off, it's got whe
Wow that was harsh!
Or funny, if you had provided a wink emoticon
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> Have you tried walking or public transit?
> A vehicle is a luxury for the better off, it's got wheels, it's gonna cost
> you money, stop whining.
>
> Hendrik
> who is always pa
Have you tried walking or public transit?
A vehicle is a luxury for the better off, it's got wheels, it's gonna
cost you money, stop whining.
Hendrik
who is always paying to keep machines working
I understand that part. However, I need at least one of them to be
reliable through the winter
I fully got the point Andrew.
Just had to make the choice with Gump a few months ago. Now I have to review
that choice when looking at a R107. Same batch of parts I already have and
will probably end up with many of the same issues I had with Gump.
Letting go of Gump, a 72 220D was a real emo
Amen to that.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (318,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
On 11/14/2011 9:02 PM, Max wrote:
One word: rust. Too much rust, time to move on.
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:32:00 -0600 Mountain Man
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> In 1984 when the family had numerous kids, we drove a 1974 VW
> Transporter - 19 years old.
There is something wrong with this sentence. A typo for 19?
> Seems opposite to what seems practical, but I don't see any cars on the
> road toda
One word: rust. Too much rust, time to move on.
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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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driving right now because
>> my '84 needs a carrier bearing.
>>
>> You COULD drive your car, plug in the block heater and it'll be warm
>> enough to start in an hour or two, synthetic oil would help but is not
>> required, the last winter I drove my '83
OK Don wrote:
A new TDI is under consideration, but I hate to not have an MB - so the
cheapest C class is also in consideration. I do wish they sold the C class
in the US with a CDI engine ---
If they've got a C63, why can't they give us a C420 CDI?
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ter I drove my '83 I used conventional oil.
>
> -Curt
>
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On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Harumph, this is what block heaters ar
David wrote:
> I have never bought a new car, or one that is less than 3 years old.
Segue to age of vehicles driven - sorta...
Today, I drive a 1984 240D with clutch - 27 years old.
We drove the rusted 1975 Chevy Nova to the junk yard in 2006 - 31 years old.
When we married in 1974, I purchased a
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> I know that many of you are essentially bottom
s you have two issues and later three or four issues and
eventually you decide its not worth keeping because it has "so many" issues...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:48:43 -0500
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Randy Bennell wrote:
I understand that point too. My good wife has no desire to drive a
beater. She may well be prepared to drive her current car into the
ground, but she does not wish to start out with a junker.
http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/2676416497.html
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On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...
-Curt
My car is too old and too nice to subject it to our winters.
And, the old diesels do not start like the newer ones when it gets
really cold. Double batteries might help but even then, I believe I
On 14/11/2011 3:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
In my case the tipping point was reached when SWMBO decided she wanted a
21st. century vehicle to replace the '79 300TD. I found a nice 2003 Jetta
TDI for her.
Greg
I understand that point too. My good wife has no desire to drive a
beater. She m
Greg Fiorentino wrote:
In my case the tipping point was reached when SWMBO decided she wanted a
21st. century vehicle to replace the '79 300TD. I found a nice 2003 Jetta
TDI for her.
I've never seen a used TDI that I'd consider paying the advertised price for.
Now if I wanted to buy a new car
nnell
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I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to
vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall
into that category to a great extent myself.
The que
Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:06:10 -0600
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On 14/11/2
sed car is almost always cheaper to maintain than a new car payment. Even a
cheap car is going to cost you $300/mo, that does a lot of repairs...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:12:49 -0500
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On 14/11/2011 12:54 PM, Fmiser wrote:
The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a
lost cause?
Easy! When the cost exceeds the value. Oh, but cost can be
tricky 'cause it's not just money but time, confidence,
irritation, dependability, etc. And value is hard to pin down
too - wit
m: Randy Bennell
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I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to
vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall
into that category to a great extent my
Simple point: There are two values to be considered.
1. Resale value. If you buy and make payments on a NEW vehicle, the resale
value declines from the moment you take possession. The more you make
payments [thus "own" it] the lower the value as it gets use and age. A
USED vehicle, such as many
> Randy Bennell wrote:
> I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it
> comes to vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as
> I tend to fall into that category to a great extent myself.
Beaters-R-Us!
> The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a
> lost
I have a son who will soon be buying his first car, which, if I have any input,
will be a decent W123 or W126 chassis.
Why? A number of reasons:
1.) The acquisition cost. A young person with a few thousand $$ and minimal
income can't afford anything remotely late model that isn't a beater and/o
On 14/11/2011 11:22 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
There is another way to look at it. Take a $1500 Benz, put a few hundred
into making it safe, dependable and nice to ride in and start counting how
much you save over making car payments and paying higher insurance for the
newer car.
If a penny sa
My 83 300d is just as, or more, reliable than a new car.
Mike
On Nov 14, 2011 1:00 PM, "Randy Bennell" wrote:
> On 14/11/2011 11:21 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> I think all of my cars would be considered "lost causes" by
>> normal people.
>>
>> The 300D needs a front-end rebuild. The 300SD is t
On 14/11/2011 11:21 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
I think all of my cars would be considered "lost causes" by
normal people.
The 300D needs a front-end rebuild. The 300SD is tapping my finances in
a death by 1,000 cuts, and I haven't sorted out the ACC yet.
I have a VW Vanagon project languishing in
On 14/11/2011 11:12 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
A lost cause means owning a declining asset. I don't expect to retire from
the proceeds of disposing of my W123 wagons, but then again I believe they
will probably hold their own in value due to their great practicality and
comparative scarcity.
The issue is more reliability I think -- if you have a beater sort of
car that takes a bit of work and parts to keep running, but is
essentially reliable (i.e., won't strand you somewhere due to
catastrophic failure), then throwing a few bucks at it now and again,
and some fix-it time, is not u
There is another way to look at it. Take a $1500 Benz, put a few hundred
into making it safe, dependable and nice to ride in and start counting how
much you save over making car payments and paying higher insurance for the
newer car.
If a penny saved is a penny earned then I am earning about $600
I think all of my cars would be considered "lost causes" by
normal people.
The 300D needs a front-end rebuild. The 300SD is tapping my finances in
a death by 1,000 cuts, and I haven't sorted out the ACC yet.
I have a VW Vanagon project languishing in the driveway.
But, they are as much a hobby
A lost cause means owning a declining asset. I don't expect to retire from
the proceeds of disposing of my W123 wagons, but then again I believe they
will probably hold their own in value due to their great practicality and
comparative scarcity.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell w
I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to
vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall
into that category to a great extent myself.
The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?
There has to be a time when a vehicle
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