It seems than at Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:13:16 -0500, Gary wrote:
it's the incredibly expensive government schools
that are failing epidemically. they are the ones who are
desperately in need of watching.
Indeed.
But (to paraphrase), who will watch the watchers?
-- Philip
i guess the home schoolers need to watch the government schoolers. oh, wait,
we have been and that is why we are home schoolers.
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It seems than at Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:13:16 -0500, Gary wrote:
it's the incredibly expensive government
for example) were a bitch
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Good question, but it also brings out the fact that
our community colleges are doing more with remediation
than the core coursework in a lot of cases.
Dan
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how did they pass high school if they can't do
remedial work?
oh, wait, no child is left
so why can't my kid just go to community college now given that her skill
set would be about average if not a little better?
On Jan 10, 2008 5:49 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good question, but it also brings out the fact that
our community colleges are doing more with remediation
than
That's a good question. I don't know.
I went to a community college down here to get a back
door into a 4 year state university. Why? Because
the 60+ credit hours I had from I.U. were not
recognized by a state university because they were
more than 10 years old.
Now think about how stupid
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Cause effect? :-)
On Jan 9, 2008 8:29 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know if it's still this way, but when I was a kid my cousins
in Denmark only went to school a few hours a day.
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dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you give your child 2 hours a day of focused concentration on any
learning plan, you have accomplished more than any public or private
school can.
I don't know if it's still this way, but when I was a kid my cousins
in Denmark only went to school a few
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Yah, right. At the same time why don't you pass a law making convenience
store robberies illegal? This way, no more convenience
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Cause effect
yeah, i did the whole school thing too and what a total waste of time it
was. a friend of mine dropped out when he was 16 and took his GED and just
went to college. I tried the same thing and my confused euro immigrant dad
was on the verge of killing me for dropping out of school.
i've been
Well community colleges are for the community. I can't really fault
them for offering remedial courses for those who finally wake up and
realize they want to learn something.
Though likely you'd do just as well checking out a textbook at the
library and working through it on your own. If
how did they pass high school if they can't do remedial work?
oh, wait, no child is left behind!
On Jan 9, 2008 9:00 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well community colleges are for the community. I can't really fault
them for offering remedial courses for those who finally wake up
Who says they passed high school?
Allan
On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:26 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
how did they pass high school if they can't do remedial work?
oh, wait, no child is left behind!
On Jan 9, 2008 9:00 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well community colleges are for the
my kid hasn't passed HS either. seems they are on a pretty even footing,
although they are probably fully retarded, while the kid is just a tad on
the stupid side (from her mother).
On Jan 9, 2008 9:47 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who says they passed high school?
Allan
On
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It's your responsibility to see that she learns something - in school
or at home. She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet
: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
I am not at all sure home schooling is good for most kids. The BiL
who lives in the boonies of NC is going to school his kids. Their
oldest is seven and has the diction of a three year old
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google georgia dfcs and you will have enough kidnap stories to fill a
book.
children are kidnapped for reasons
LarryT wrote:
I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot
would be a positive thing.
If you don't teach him, he's just another statistic waiting to happen.
Here's an example that really happened: 10 year old gets permission to
go home with a latchkey after school.
did they sue remington?
my guns are kept locked up in a room that is kept locked up. and my kid is
never in the house alone.
on the other hand, i keep everything loaded and out in the open when the
ex-wife is in the house alone, but she has no interest in playing with guns
:(
On Jan 8, 2008
: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
LarryT wrote:
I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot
would be a positive thing.
If you don't teach him, he's just another statistic waiting to happen.
Here's
Germany - I thought the communists lost
LarryT wrote:
I hope to convince my daughter that me teaching him how to shoot
would be a positive thing.
If you don't teach him, he's just another statistic waiting to happen.
Here's an example that really happened: 10 year old gets
Was that an NRA sort of pun? (Right of passage vs. rite of passage.)
On Jan 8, 2008 1:02 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To me, getting a bb gun when between 6 10 is a right of passage
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I think the better approach would be to pass a law prohibiting children
from touching weapons unless an adult is around to supervise. That
would fix
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I think the better approach
Great idea! Perhaps the presidential candidates will take this up as a
plank in their law n' order platform (I think Fred might already be
there!). It will bi-partisan support, who is the best one to make that
change?
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
At the risk of turning the conversation back to home schooling, one must
understand why the government came up with this sort of go to school rule
in the first place. It was for the protection of the children, not as some
sort of evil government meddling.
Where I grew up (West Virginia), it
I hope you are correct. It will all depend on (1) the education ethic of the
child and (2) the RULES set down by the ADULT in charge of the educational
process.
Nothing different from public schools. The kids who want to learn will.
Those who aren't interested can't be beat into submission.
As
I believe that the government is a force for evil that exists to enrich
itself and is currently at war with the people on every level. I believe
that education is a gimmick to give a lot of stupid people part time jobs
with full time pay and has no objective beyond that, other than political
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Wonko the Sane wrote:
As for the gubment corrupting the children ... send me your address so I can
provide the raw materials for your tin foil hat.
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I only object to home schooling when when the parent's beliefs differ
from my own. I'm being sarcastic, but have to admit that I must
periodically remind myself that it's the parent's right to raise their
kids as they see fit.
If you give your child 2 hours a day of focused concentration on any
yeah, i'd figure about 10 hours a week of actual learning should beat out 30
to 40 hours a week of busy work, propaganda and art projects about martin
luther king.
On Jan 8, 2008 11:32 PM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I only object to home schooling when when the parent's beliefs differ
I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or
was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like
the East German government is the surviving entity here:
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I'm confused. Was East
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I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or
was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like
the East German government is the surviving entity here:
http
Gary Hurst wrote:
i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out
If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid
to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with
him after he falls and bumps his head in the driveway.
What are you going to do?
Bob R.
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i just took my kid out
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I'm confused. Was East Germany absorbed into West Germany, or
was West Germany absorbed into East Germany? It seems like
the East German government is the surviving
you are confused because you suppose that the euros have a history of
similar freedoms to those we once enjoyed here in the usa. countries such
as germany have no tradition of individual liberty. consider for a moment
that the most popular german leader of the last 100 years was hitler and you
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i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out
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i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out
On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mitch,
Try taking your kids out of the public school system without
Oh yes...you said that before. Rock on!
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
Try taking your kids out of the public school system without
enrolling them in a Government approved private school system
here in the States and you'll discover how many parents rights you
don't have.
I think there should be accountability/basic regulations regarding
Gary Hurst wrote:
no.
Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious, but why did you
take her out?
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i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out
On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom
by having the swat team kick down my door and force me to assume the
position, pistol whipping me as they search for politically correct art
projects?
given their dismal failure, shouldn't you be more concerned about some sort
of accountability regarding public schooling?
On Jan 7, 2008 3:05 PM,
frustration with lack of progress in skill set development and extraordinary
low expectations in this regard by the school. high expectations for
conformity and low expectations for skills just have it backwards as far as
we can see.
On Jan 7, 2008 3:06 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just claim it's for religious reasons and they'll
leave you alone...
Dan
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Gary Hurst wrote:
no.
Do you have a plan for teaching her? Just curious,
but why did you
take her out?
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On Jan 7, 2008 2:10 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
by having the swat team kick down my door and force me to assume the
position, pistol whipping me as they search for politically correct art
projects?
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not sure anarchist libertarian pacifist quite constitutes a religion. but
your point is well taken. probably behooves us to join some sort of
fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against
vindictive action from government thugs.
On Jan 7, 2008 3:20 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL
Mitch,
Try taking your kids out of the public school system without
enrolling them in a Government approved private school
system here in the States and you'll discover how many parents
rights you don't have. And by the way, home schooling is only
legal in some states because of a support
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Just claim it's for religious reasons and they'll
leave you alone...
Dan
the track record of fighting the man in the hood is less than exemplary.
mostly they just end up in jail or dead as a result of their disagreements
with the law.
interestingly, they have a 2 acre backyard behind the family compound
house. the house is interesting as it started as a small house
Correct.
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Mitch,
Try taking your kids out of the public school system without
knows better will tell you that the state considers
your children property of the state.
Tom
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Germany - I thought the communists lost
Gary Hurst wrote:
i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out
If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid
to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with
him after he falls and bumps his head
] OT:Unified Germany - I thought the communists lost
Gary Hurst wrote:
i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out
If you think home schooling is bad, try refusing to send your kid
to the hospital when the paramedics don't find anything wrong with
him after he falls and bumps his
Gary Hurst wrote:
frustration with lack of progress in skill set development and extraordinary
low expectations in this regard by the school. high expectations for
conformity and low expectations for skills just have it backwards as far as
we can see.
Hey, you're right in the heart of New
you are trying to make me even more depressed than i already am, huh?
it is stunning that the government is absolutely powerless to fight any real
crime and the police simply will not protect and serve, but they have
resources for all of this nonsense you have been showing us.
what can one
).
Tom
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have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car
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Mitch,
Try taking your kids out of the public school system without enrolling
them in a Government approved private school
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
Try taking your kids out of the public school
PM
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i just took my kid out of school, so i guess i'll find out
On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mitch,
Try taking your kids out of the public school system without
I am not at all sure home schooling is good for most kids. The BiL
who lives in the boonies of NC is going to school his kids. Their
oldest is seven and has the diction of a three year old. Not sure he
has a grasp of basic second grade math or reading either. Then
again, I am comparing
I disagree with that, you are forgetting about Martin Luther who stood
up to the Catholic church and won.
It can be argued that his actions inspired others to stand up for their
rights and may well have influenced your founding fathers and their view
of liberty.
Also I think to say that Hitler
No, what is stunning is how long it's taken to revert back to having
to have someone tell you what to do - like the rest of the world.
what is stunning is how we have allowed this continental tyranny to take
hold in our nation.
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Norman, OK
There are three kinds of lies:
It's your responsibility to see that she learns something - in school
or at home. She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet
at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at
home.
given their dismal failure, shouldn't you be more concerned about some sort
of
They aren't much different than the government in that regard.
probably behooves us to join some sort of
fundamentalist christian homeschooling organization for protection against
vindictive action from government thugs.
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
There are three kinds of lies: lies,
OK Don wrote:
She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet
at school - something that you'll have a hard time teaching her at
home.
These days, it seems like they will train her to be a good slave
if he lets the public school system get their hooks in her much
farther. Hitler was
Same treatment from the religious run foster care system - it's a
matter of what are you going to do with the kids abandoned by
miscreant parents?
On Jan 7, 2008 2:52 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
have you ever spoken to any products of the foster car system? they are
routinely
The fundamentalists are much different than the government. I should know --
that is how I was reared.
The government can say do it my way or to jail you go. The
fundamentalists exhibit the same need for control, except they threaten you
with everlasting punishment in hell instead of a brief
the degree of personal liberty under hitler was pretty good compared to ours
in some areas. our government freaks would make old dolf blush.
On Jan 7, 2008 8:45 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK Don wrote:
She'll learn to deal with the other people on the planet
at school -
My four kids went through the worst grade and middle schools in
town, and ended up at NYU, Yale, and OU with scholarships. You are
responsible for what they learn, not the school.
On Jan 7, 2008 7:45 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK Don wrote:
She'll learn to deal with the other
what about the kids that are kidnapped and farmed out to abusive foster
homes by their friends in the government (i would presume that these
government agents get some kind of kickback, but don't know how the details
work)?
On Jan 7, 2008 8:47 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Same treatment
i'm not saying that i support the fundamentalists, just that i might need
their protection.
On Jan 7, 2008 8:49 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The fundamentalists are much different than the government. I should know
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The government can say do it my
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
Try
Kidnapped Have you seen how bad it has to get before the kids are
removed from a home? That's the LAST resort. Wittness the LACK of
response to the ealrier reports to child wlefare about Kaleb's new
kids. Follow a child welfare worker around for a few days - it'll open
your eyes. We don't pay
Those fundamentalists will feel the need, no calling, to beat the
devil out of the likes of you
On Jan 7, 2008 7:59 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i'm not saying that i support the fundamentalists, just that i might need
their protection.
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Norman, OK
There are
google georgia dfcs and you will have enough kidnap stories to fill a book.
children are kidnapped for reasons such as there were scissors in the
house. we have a customer at bimby who drives an S600 from being a
professional foster parent. tom, who works at bimby, has personal knowledge
of such
OK Don wrote:
My four kids went through the worst grade and middle schools in
town, and ended up at NYU, Yale, and OU with scholarships. You are
responsible for what they learn, not the school.
Admission to Yale is not proof that your kids were not exposed to
socialist indoctrination. In
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google georgia dfcs and you will have enough kidnap stories to fill a
book.
children are kidnapped for reasons such as there were scissors in the
house. we have a customer at bimby who drives
I can pretty well guarantee that's there's not much socialist leaning
going on in Oklahoma ---
They were exposed to far more religious far right leanings than I perfered.
Admission to Yale is not proof that your kids were not exposed to
socialist indoctrination. In fact, a large dose of
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They aren't much different than the government in that regard.
probably behooves us to join some sort of
fundamentalist christian homeschooling
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Child Services (DHR in Alabama) is the most over worked government
organization in any state. The problem is that the workers have to
obtain unrefutable evidence then they have to present the evidence to a
Judge the judge has to issue a court order to have the child or
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Child Services (DHR in Alabama) is the most over worked government
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