Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-24 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: > Take your point. i was hoping you would see where i was going. > This is interesting. > One, > both monitors , > monitor on M9.0is now on M8.1 for 6 hours, no 2 second glitch event > monitor2 on M8.1is now on M9.0 for 6 hours, no 2 second glitch > eve

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-24 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: > As an identicle comparative test it will not do much, since the screen res > and vid card are different, ie less demanding. may be identical. but, is an assurance that there is no problem with 1st monitor. but using system that is working correct, you will

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-24 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: > As an identicle comparative test it will not do much, since the screen res > and vid card are different, ie less demanding. may be identical. but, is an assurance that there is no problem with 1st monitor. but using system that is working correct, you will prove that

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-24 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Now, as I read this, we passed a command to set to 0 the time interval to nought, the powersave and powerdown to disable.. If I'm correct , it refused on the powersave issue. you are correct. [see below] Now some 10-20 minutes later , another blank black scr

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-24 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Now, as I read this, we passed a command to set to 0 the time interval to nought, the powersave and powerdown to disable.. If I'm correct , it refused on the powersave issue. you are correct. [see below] Now some 10-20 minutes later , another blank black scr

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-23 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: Now, as I read this, we passed a command to set to 0 the time interval to nought, the powersave and powerdown to disable.. If I'm correct , it refused on the powersave issue. you are correct. [see below] Now some 10-20 minutes later , another blank black screen , with a

Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-23 Thread John Richard Smith
Dennis Myers wrote: --- Are you sure it is not a screensaver activity with no screensaver chosen? Sure does act that way from your description. Guessing. Yes, I'm pretty sure of that, checked it many times, it's true I have that little scr

Fwd: Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-23 Thread Dennis Myers
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:11:30 + From: John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] g wrote: > a command that i had forgotten because i have not used it > in over 12 yea

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-23 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: > > > a command that i had forgotten because i have not used it > in over 12 years, 'setterm'. > > so you will know, do 'man setterm' to see what goes with it. > > this is what i want you to enter from cli, before starting x, > > setterm -blank 0 -powersa

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-23 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: > > > a command that i had forgotten because i have not used it > in over 12 years, 'setterm'. > > so you will know, do 'man setterm' to see what goes with it. > > this is what i want you to enter from cli, before starting x, > > setterm -blank 0 -powersave off -po

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-22 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:25:50 + John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well anyway I suppose it does not hurt to have the > monitor back off. I'm willing to try, but I would like to > be fresh at doing this , say tomorrow afternoon > about 1300hrs GMT. This is a built in setting in al

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-22 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: > > > John Richard Smith wrote: > >> It seems to me that possibly before attempting to unscrew >> the monitor case , would any combination of the above be >> responsible for the odd behaviour. Something has to be >> giving me a blank black screen after so many minutes, I had >> assumed

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-22 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: It seems to me that possibly before attempting to unscrew the monitor case , would any combination of the above be responsible for the odd behaviour. Something has to be giving me a blank black screen after so many minutes, I had assumed it was bios APM , but since th

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-22 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: [c&p/] > Another interesting developement. > I've been leaning how to use Gentoo boot disc, > it I had a Thunggg. That is, a power off with a degauss, thunggg is after, not before power off, correct? Correct. > But I can confirm the problem occures in ever

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-22 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: [c&p/] > Another interesting developement. > I've been leaning how to use Gentoo boot disc, > it I had a Thunggg. That is, a power off with a degauss, thunggg is after, not before power off, correct? > So if it can happen in a very low resolution setup like > this, ou

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-22 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: > > > John Richard Smith wrote: > >> OK, so I left the setup on in >> ctrl-alt f5 to root shell mode for 3 hours, >> came backto a blank black screen, >> hit enter and root shell returned. > > > what colour was 'power on' led when you first returned? Green. It's always been green. > > >

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-22 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: OK, so I left the setup on in ctrl-alt f5 to root shell mode for 3 hours, came backto a blank black screen, hit enter and root shell returned. what colour was 'power on' led when you first returned? Green. It's always been green. what does your manual say

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-22 Thread g
g wrote: what colour was 'power on' led when you first returned? what does your manual say about colour indications? ria. specs for my monitor; led screen dpms colour [display power management system] nonepower off green active amber off yellow suspend / stand-by

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: OK, so I left the setup on in ctrl-alt f5 to root shell mode for 3 hours, came backto a blank black screen, hit enter and root shell returned. what colour was 'power on' led when you first returned? what does your manual say about colour indications? Now I actually ha

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread g
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday February 19 2003 11:26 am, John Richard Smith wrote: a bad connector somewhere in the monitor circuits. I really don't suspect UK power supply, that at least is one thing you can rely on, your gonna get 240v 50 Hz dead stable all the year round, and I live in a m

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability (Thungggg sound from the monitor)

2003-02-21 Thread g
et wrote: On Wednesday 19 February 2003 06:11 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: I have a 17" NEC Multisync FE700 did you get a manual with your monitor? peace out. tc,hago. g . -- think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email... text/plain - dis

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability (Thungggg sound from the monitor)

2003-02-21 Thread g
FemmeFatale wrote: At 07:07 AM 2/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: I have a 19" NEC Multisync FE 950+. Yes i hear it too. Don't know what multisync means ... inferior? Its an aperture grille tube too. I liek it. did you get a manual with your monitor? peace out. tc,hago. g . -- think green...

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: OK, so I left the setup on in ctrl-alt f5 to root shell mode for 3 hours, came backto a blank black screen, hit enter and root shell returned. this could also be mandrake blanking screen. i have all bios settings to disable any timing and i get video blankin

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: OK, so I left the setup on in ctrl-alt f5 to root shell mode for 3 hours, came backto a blank black screen, hit enter and root shell returned. this could also be mandrake blanking screen. i have all bios settings to disable any timing and i get video blanking at cli.

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I had no idea the coils in speakers would be powerful enough to influence a monitor screen. I do have them close, have now pushed them further away. I cannot say I notice any difference. ask your wife. you have already admitted you can not see. :

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread g
Anne Wilson wrote: On the 'slight flicker' - have you made sure you don't have speakers too close? On one monitor I had the effect was to really degrade and flicker certain areas of screen. The problem went entirely when I moved them. Possibly newer speakers are better shielded, though?

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: > > > John Richard Smith wrote: > >> I will do this next , I have to go out for a while, so I'll set the OS >> to a root shell and leave it a few hours, come back and watch it a >> bit more >> to see if there are any momentary lapses. > > > this should prove out if you are draw

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: > > > John Richard Smith wrote: > >> I will do this next , I have to go out for a while, so I'll set the OS >> to a root shell and leave it a few hours, come back and watch it a >> bit more >> to see if there are any momentary lapses. > > > this should prove out if you are drawing excess

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: I will do this next , I have to go out for a while, so I'll set the OS to a root shell and leave it a few hours, come back and watch it a bit more to see if there are any momentary lapses. this should prove out if you are drawing excess current from ps and cause it t

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 21 Feb 2003 11:54 am, John Richard Smith wrote: > g wrote: > > John Richard Smith wrote: > > i hope you were neat about it. :) > > Yes, not only neat but changed all the multiplugs etc etc I suspect > one may of been less than ideal, one just gets carried away at times > adding pieces of

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: thunk = relay thunggg = degauss coil thunk is relay turning on or off. thunggg is degaussing when power is first applied and should only occur when power is first applied and it should follow thunk when relay turns power on. when power turns off, there

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread John Richard Smith
John Richard Smith wrote: Jerry Barton wrote: I haven't mentioned one other thing. Just recently, on shutdown, the monitor powers off and then turns itself back on again with "no signal" while the rest of the computer is dead. It does this in all OS's in cluding windblows. It ought to power of

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-21 Thread g
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Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability (Thungggg sound from the monitor)

2003-02-19 Thread FemmeFatale
At 06:46 PM 2/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: you are such a show off 19" NEC Multisync. gee I did not think women got into "mine is bigger thatn yours" kinda contests. to answer the question (I have a 17" NEC Multisync FE700) do you most often hear that when changeing modes? like when you start

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-19 Thread FemmeFatale
At 05:26 PM 2/19/2003 +, you wrote: On the otherhand, while typing this message I just had another relapse, only this time no thunggg, the screen picture just collapsed inwards to a point and disappeared to a black picture that lasted only a second, and then the picture returned as quickly.

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability (Thungggg sound from the monitor)

2003-02-19 Thread et
On Wednesday 19 February 2003 06:11 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: > At 07:07 AM 2/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Quite possibly the sound that you are hearing is your monitor switching > > modes. I have heard this sound many times, especially on multi-sync > > monitors. Maybe I am wrong, but I hear this sou

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability (Thungggg sound from the monitor)

2003-02-19 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 10:11, FemmeFatale wrote: > I have a 19" NEC Multisync FE 950+. Yes i hear it too. Don't know what > multisync means ... inferior? Its an aperture grille tube too. I liek it. > > - > FemmeFatale Is it pink as well? (BTW, the wife and I have taken to doing

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-19 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: Oh, it's quite short, how can I put it, the whole thing including the sound and black screen back to desktop is no more than a couple of seconds short thunk, when power is first applied, 1, 2 seconds and then thunggg. in powering off, there would be no thunggg as the

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability (Thungggg sound from the monitor)

2003-02-19 Thread FemmeFatale
At 07:07 AM 2/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: Quite possibly the sound that you are hearing is your monitor switching modes. I have heard this sound many times, especially on multi-sync monitors. Maybe I am wrong, but I hear this sound every day when I boot into MDK 9.0 and my monitor is 5 years old and

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-19 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Yes that is it, normally the Thunggg happens on first powerup from dead, I don't normally hear it again until close down. Just recently the monitor has been randomly powering off with this noise, a moments black screen, and then back to whereever I was on d

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-19 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday February 19 2003 06:08 am, John Richard Smith wrote: > been randomly powering off with this noise, a moments black screen, > and then back to whereever I was on desktop, nothing lost ,and it > does it automatically I'm not having to reset anything, I feel > it's a monitor / power prob

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-19 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday February 19 2003 04:27 am, John Richard Smith wrote: > I suppose > that only leaves APM, but if so it's in both M9.0 and M9.1beta3. > Now, I just took a look at linux kernel configurator and it did say > APM was enabled, ie ticked, so I disabled it for a while to see if > that helps.I

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability (Thungggg sound from the monitor)

2003-02-19 Thread et
On Wednesday 19 February 2003 08:29 am, John Richard Smith wrote: > Mudder wrote: > > Quite possibly the sound that you are hearing is your monitor > > switching modes. > > I have heard this sound many times, especially on multi-sync monitors. > > Maybe I am wrong, but I hear this sound every day w

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability (Thungggg sound from the monitor)

2003-02-19 Thread John Richard Smith
Mudder wrote: Quite possibly the sound that you are hearing is your monitor switching modes. I have heard this sound many times, especially on multi-sync monitors. Maybe I am wrong, but I hear this sound every day when I boot into MDK 9.0 and my monitor is 5 years old and has not blown up yet..

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-19 Thread Greg Meyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 19 February 2003 07:08 am, John Richard Smith wrote: > Yes that is it, normally the Thunggg happens on first powerup from dead, I > don't normally hear it again until close down. Just recently the monitor > has been randomly powering off

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability (Thungggg sound from the monitor)

2003-02-19 Thread Mudder
Quite possibly the sound that you are hearing is your monitor switching modes. I have heard this sound many times, especially on multi-sync monitors. Maybe I am wrong, but I hear this sound every day when I boot into MDK 9.0 and my monitor is 5 years old and has not blown up yet... Anyone else hear

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-19 Thread John Richard Smith
g wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 22:17, John Richard Smith wrote: I'd be led to wonder if it's a flaky "Energy Savings" issue - are you in KDE, or GrrrGNOME? this email, literally anything, and you get that Thun sound from the mo

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-19 Thread g
John Richard Smith wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 22:17, John Richard Smith wrote: I'd be led to wonder if it's a flaky "Energy Savings" issue - are you in KDE, or GrrrGNOME? this email, literally anything, and you get that Thun sound from the monitor, john, i

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-19 Thread John Richard Smith
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 22:17, John Richard Smith wrote: I am getting random intermittent monditor shutdown and return when under X windows. It does not seem to happen under W2K. I have W2K, M9.0, and M9.1beta3 on, with spare ext2+ NT partitions . I seemed to begin after

Re: [newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-18 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 22:17, John Richard Smith wrote: > I am getting random intermittent monditor shutdown and return when > under X windows. It does not seem to happen under W2K. > > I have W2K, M9.0, and M9.1beta3 on, with spare ext2+ NT partitions . > > I seemed to begin after I installed b

[newbie] Xwindows Stability

2003-02-18 Thread John Richard Smith
I am getting random intermittent monditor shutdown and return when under X windows. It does not seem to happen under W2K. I have W2K, M9.0, and M9.1beta3 on, with spare ext2+ NT partitions . I seemed to begin after I installed beta3, though I'm not suggesting one way or the other , whether that