Il 15:14, giovedì 10 ottobre 2002, hai scritto:
Ciao, ma i driver per linux, tipo quello della mia scheda audio (SiS PCI
AUDIO ACCELERATOR), che non si trovano perche' le case produttrici non li
fanno non possono essere sostituiti da driver generici che fanno funzionare
la mia scheda audio
Qualcuno è riuscito a configurare una logitech quickcam express con linux mandrake
8.2? Harddreke non la ve ho provato a scaricare
il driver qca-ge da freshmeat ma non riesco ad installarlo
memento aùdere semper
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:31:39 +0200
freefred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 10 October 2002 3:14 pm, Sjoker wrote:
Ciao, ma i driver per linux, tipo quello della mia scheda audio (SiS PCI
AUDIO ACCELERATOR), che non si trovano perche' le case produttrici non li
fanno non possono
Salve lista
e in particolare ad Arwan..
Ultimamente mi capita spesso di avere tra le mani machine digitali e hd
potratili (quelli a forma di penna).
Saresti cosi gentile da spiegarmi come poter sfruttare queste periferiche,
(anche in privato.sempre che nn interessi anche ad altri).
Se
Alle 11:37, venerdì 11 ottobre 2002, giamgax ha scritto:
da quello che capisco gli eventuali danni sarebbero molto limitati :-))
linuccio sei grande
UHMMM.a livello di danni immediati al sistema..ok!
ma se intendi come danno limitato,uno che ti gironzola x il pc,come se
cercasse
Il Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:05:31 +0200
Daniele Micci [EMAIL PROTECTED] dichiarò:
Alle 18:41, giovedì 10 ottobre 2002, hai scritto:
buongiorno alla lista,
bighellonando in rete ho trovato questa pagina:
http://www.norman.no/virus_info/linux_slapper_a.shtml
la mia scarsa conoscenza
grazie per l'interessamento purtroppo la mia olympus lavora sulla porta com
1 hai qualche idea?in ogni caso comunque grazie
mario
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie-it] usare
Alle
Alle 17:46, venerdì 11 ottobre 2002, contorcendoti la mente su [newbie-it]
porta usb x Arwan, tom hai scritto:
Ultimamente mi capita spesso di avere tra le mani machine digitali e hd
potratili (quelli a forma di penna).
Saresti cosi gentile da spiegarmi come poter sfruttare queste
On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 22:44, Miark wrote:
Depending on where your iso images are, yes. Install 9.0 with just
disc 1. Once you're set up, mount the iso images of 2 and 3, and
install packages from them. The iso images should be on a partition
that won't be nuked by the installation, of course.
I was fiddling in the Control Center and changed my XFree86 version rom
3.* to 4.* (this is in Mdk 8.2). It _seemed_ to install correctly, and
I got the message to log out and restart X. However, now X starts,
crashes, starts, crashes and so on in a loop I can't break out of.
Reconfiguring
Robert Beach wrote:
Is there a program for linux that you can use for finding mp3's or
movies. Sorta like Kazaa or Morpheus?
There's Gnutella, though I've not used it and hear it's very slow. It's
also amazing how much (largely legitimate) stuff you can find just using
Google.
Sir Robin
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 09:29 pm, you wrote:
Dear All,
Besides my HP usb printer and scanner not working my sound does not work
just yet. It worked finally in 8.2 with the OSS commercial driver and
with Alsa eventually however, my purchased oss driver is not working on
9. Is there
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 03:41 pm, you wrote:
Several of my GNU/Linux native games from a variety of vendors (Loki, LGP,
etc) had problems installing from the CD-ROM as well. When I disabled
supermount, they all installed flawlessly. Something is definitely up with
supermount. But it
On Friday 11 October 2002 3:18 am, robin wrote:
Robert Beach wrote:
Is there a program for linux that you can use for finding mp3's or
movies. Sorta like Kazaa or Morpheus?
There's Gnutella, though I've not used it and hear it's very slow.
It's also amazing how much (largely legitimate)
Tip: Check the ntpd daemon is NOT running or else an ntpdate command will not
work.
derek
On Friday 11 Oct 2002 4:02 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
I use ntpdate, which I think is in the ntp or xntp package (I can't check
right now). The command I use is:
# ntpdate -b -s time.esec.com.au
Put a line in the /etc/fstab file for filesystem type smbfs
see 'man mount' and 'man fstab'
If this looks a bit complicated the real easy way to set it up is in Mandrake
ControlCentreMountPointsSamba MountPoints
In that GUI you can see the NT shares, define a mount point for it, and the
GUI
Hi all,
I'v got MDK 9.0 now and there is some problem with ATI Radeon 7500LE. My PC
is Duron 800 on MB Abit KT7E and monitor Huyndai V570.There was older version
SuSE before and without problem. Instalation is correct until X
configuration. It find graphics card and monitor corretly, but if I
I am running Mandrake 8.2, K desktop.
I have looked high and low for a way to change what browser opens e-mail (
K-Mail ) links.
Currently Konqueror does so, But I would like Netscape to instead, ( I find
the tabbed interface very convienent ).
I have tried the browser preferences, to no
Thanks - I've installed that now.
Anne
On Friday 11 Oct 2002 3:36 am, you wrote:
knetload is a little kicker applet that I love. I haven't seen
it in 9, but I know it's in 8.x.
Miark
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith:
Thanks Derek - all's now well. On last question, though. When I
I cannot play MP3's no system sound or programs sounds work, just CD's
what can i do to fix this?
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Hello
What is the best/easiest way to automatically mount NT server shares
upon boot in Mdk 9.0
Thanks
Kalle
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On Friday 11 October 2002 1:27 am, Brandon wrote:
I cannot play MP3's no system sound or programs sounds work, just
CD's what can i do to fix this?
What program are you using to play MP3s? Have you tried Xmms in the
Multimedia/Sound section? Also, make sure you have sound enabled in the
I'm using knoppix (the bootable CD distro) as a test to see whether my
old hardware will run Linux. I have Mandrake 9.0 downloading right now.
I know this is a MDK mailing list, but I really need to know that Linux
will work before I shell out on some networking hardware.
Knoppix is able load
On Thursday October 10 2002 09:28 pm, Randy Kramer wrote:
Under Mandrake 7.2 I used rdate to synchronize my local clock to an
accurate clock over the network, as follows:
rdate -s clock-1.cs.cmu.edu hwclock --systohc
rdate is apparently not installed by default in Mandrake 9.0, and
Hello All,
Just signed up to this list, and naturally I have a question.
I'm having a strange problem with PPP and LAN
Here the machine info
AMD 333, 128 megs memory
3com NIC card
Hardware modem. (No not a win-modem)
Mandrake 9.0 Fresh install.
I set up the modem and my dial-up info first,
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From: Dennis Sue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 04:27:56 -0400
To: Mandrake Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Changing Default Browser
I am running Mandrake 8.2, K desktop.
I have looked high and low for a way to change
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On Thursday 10 October 2002 1:36 pm, FemmeFatale did speak unto the huddled
masses, saying:
BeOS is dead, FYI.
yeah, i was at the funeral, but it had some good points, and i keep hoping
that if we actually reach the point of nearly fair OS
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:42:50 -0400
Zlatko Savic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, I was wondering whether any packages that are installed manually
by the user (i.e. tar, gzip, make, etc...) can be displayed as
installed package
The only way they will show up in the rpm db is if you use a program
On Thursday October 10 2002 01:54 pm, Robin Turner wrote:
shane wrote:
many a tech feels like the CTO of my wifes company, a fortune 500
company told me he feels: we always knew their security was bad,
but 6000 patches later we get hit by bugbear. so what did those
patches do?
That is
On Friday 11 October 2002 06:16 am, you wrote:
No, this is not hardware specific. 8.2 worked fine in this machine as
well. Plus many other 9.0 users on the list reported similar problems. I'm
almost certain it's a 9.0 supermount problem. Disabling supermount allowed
me to immediately
On Friday 11 Oct 2002 2:47 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
On Thursday 10 October 2002 06:15 am, Peter Watson wrote:
I've got an Intel 536ep linmodem, using the drivers package from Intel's
site makes it work fine except for one inconvenience.
Each time I reboot the system I have to launch
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:42:50 -0400
Zlatko Savic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, I was wondering whether any packages that are installed manually
by the user (i.e. tar, gzip, make, etc...) can be displayed as
installed package
The only way they will show up in the rpm db is if you use a program
There is no way around it for packages you have already installed AFAIK, but
next time you want to compile a package with
./configure
make
make install
instead do
./configure
make
checkinstall
(You must have the checkinstall RPM installed)
checkinstall will turn your compiled code into an
M$ FUD
This is the second time I've seen FUD in this group in the last 2 days.
What's it stand for?
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Fear
Uncertainty
Doubt
IBM was the king of it early on, but MS has been the champion for
the last decade or so. It's a way of causing customers to hold
off purchasing the competition, instilling questions about
their ability to solve your problems/needs/fantasies/...
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On Friday 11 October 2002 1:12 am, Derek Jennings did speak unto the huddled
masses, saying:
The default is for the share to be mounted automatically on boot.
if mounting auto at boot causes you trouble, you can also try using
kwikdisk. after
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:12:16 -0400, Ed Tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Mandrake should run on that old fine piece of stuff but you need
to turn off plug and pray aware OS in the BIOS, and you need to tell
the installer how little memory is left after subtracting for the
video memory, so if
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On Friday 11 October 2002 8:11 am, Erylon Hines did speak unto the huddled
masses, saying:
On Friday 11 October 2002 06:16 am, you wrote:
No, this is not hardware specific. 8.2 worked fine in this machine as
well. Plus many other 9.0 users on
El Vie 11 Oct 2002 16:01, Barry Michels escribió:
M$ FUD
This is the second time I've seen FUD in this group in the last 2 days.
What's it stand for?
read this page:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hills/9267/fuddef.html
to make it short, FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) is just an
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On Friday 11 October 2002 10:09 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] did speak unto the
huddled masses, saying:
Fear
Uncertainty
Doubt
IBM was the king of it early on, but MS has been the champion for
What's it stand for?
one of the classic IBM FUDs was
Good Grief people. Why are you upgrading to 9.0 when you have 8.2 and it
works (unless you really want to deal with a new distro's issues)? New
releases always have problems (8.0 probably had the least of the new ones),
and IMO are really NOT for use on my primary machine. In a month or
I've noticed that on the CLI, if you're actually in a CD directory,
you can't unmount the drive until you cd out. Makes sense: keep it
mounted until everybody is done with it.
Perhaps you experienced the same thing in Konq?
Miark
my only trouble is that
sometimes you have to close the
Fear Uncentainity and doubt
aka Microsoft main gopssip machine.
Barry Michels wrote:
M$ FUD
This is the second time I've seen FUD in this group in the last 2 days.
What's it stand for?
Want to buy your Pack or
Thanks, Tom.
I got that package (as source) somewhere on the net, and successfully
compiled and installed it.
Not the first time, maybe the third compile, but Linux is starting to
make sense. -- Oops shouldn't have said that -- that's usually a hint
for the gods to show me something else
Title: RE: [newbie] No sound in LM9
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Miark
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] No sound in LM9
Good Grief people. Why are you upgrading to 9.0 when
Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith:
what do you mean by mount? sorry im new.
A CD, a floppy disk, and hard drive partitions are
all file systems. In order for Linux to access any
given file system, you must first mount it. That
is to say, you must tell Linux what you're mounting,
where it is,
gkrellm has many neat and configurable monitors includding ppp and ethx
thruput graphs
On Thursday 10 October 2002 10:36 pm, Miark wrote:
knetload is a little kicker applet that I love. I haven't seen
it in 9, but I know it's in 8.x.
Miark
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith:
Thanks
if a mandrake, (you don't say) you need make mrproper
On Friday 11 October 2002 07:34 am, In Labore Fructus wrote:
Hello to every one.
Yesterday I tried to update my kernel ...
The steps I made are the following :
Before all, I renamed the directory /lib/modules/2.3.7-10/ with
Miark,
Do you specify any switches, like -r?
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From: Miark [mailto:miark-linux;gardnerbusiness.com]
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:01 AM
To: Newbie at MDK
Subject: [newbie] Reboot doesn't complete
I have 9.0 installed on an old POS. When I type do a reboot
from the
On Friday 11 October 2002 01:33 am, Brandon wrote:
it works! im a happy man
may I make a suggestion, next time do not change the headers so the fact your
problem was cured it shows as such in a view of the archives threads
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Mandrake should run on that old fine piece of stuff but you need to turn
off plug and pray aware OS in the BIOS, and you need to tell the installer
how little memory is left after subtracting for the video memory, so if you
set the bios to use 4 megs memory, you will need to hit f1 (instead
Thanks derek, Sridhar, and Sevatio!
Looks like ntpdate is not installed by default either (and the daemon is
not running) so I'll need to install either ntpdate or rdate off the
CDs.
Should be no problem -- I've installed stuff before -- BTW:
* My installation of Mandrake 9.0 went great
Miark,
After checking the man page if you do not specify a -r or -h it will go
to single user mode, hence not shutting down the system. -r reboot -h
halt.
Tony.
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From: Tony S. Sykes
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie]
hi all,
i 've got a laptop with win2k on with just one partition.
i want to install ML9.0;
my question: will diskdrake resize the NTFS partition and
create a new partition without destroying any data?
thanks
adriaan putter
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi all,
i 've got a laptop with win2k on with just one partition.
i want to install ML9.0;
my question: will diskdrake resize the NTFS partition and
create a new partition without destroying any data?
thanks
adriaan putter
Apparently diskdrake cannot resize NT
All I got at that link was a login screen for RealNetworks that I didn't
have login information for. What did I do wrong?
Thanks,
Carl
s wrote:
On Thursday 10 October 2002 11:15 pm, Michael Adams wrote:
Thought provoking stuff!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27512.html
Here's
It is fine as it installed perfectly on
my Desktop, which has a 4-5 yr old cdrw.
Brian D. Klar - CVE
OTS
WPAFB
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From: Joan Tur [mailto:jtur;wanadoo.es]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Boot Floppy for 700Mb ISO's
How do you extract the ISO? my burner is borken as a mentioned earlier.
Im new so i need every detail on how to get these ISO unpacked and
working, Thanks alot
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On Friday 11 October 2002 06:12 am, you wrote:
Mandrake should run on that old fine piece of stuff but you need to
turn off plug and pray aware OS in the BIOS, and you need to tell the
installer how little memory is left after subtracting for the video memory,
so if you set the bios to use
On Thursday 10 October 2002 06:07 pm, you wrote:
There is no error message, i did it in the console xmms came up with the
file loaded, but just did not play.
Umm, I know this is gonna sound really stupid, but did you click XMMSs' play
(arrow) icon?
Only reason I ask is that I've had this
No, this is not hardware specific. 8.2 worked fine in this machine as well.
Plus many other 9.0 users on the list reported similar problems. I'm almost
certain it's a 9.0 supermount problem. Disabling supermount allowed me to
immediately install those same CDs without problem.
My guess is
There is a program called daemon tools available for windows (maybe linux
too, I haven't checked) that can mount an iso image as a drive.
You could then share the drive using samba and use that as the source to
install the additional packages.
Hope this helps! Good luck!
Eric
- Original
On Friday 11 October 2002 05:59 am, Carl J. Bauman wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27512.html
Here's a realplayer link to the whole interview.
pnm://rm.bbc.net.uk/news/olmedia/cta/progs/02/click_online/03oct.r
m -s
All I got at that link was a login screen for RealNetworks
Hi, I was wondering whether any packages that are installed manually by the
user (i.e. tar, gzip, make, etc...) can be displayed as installed package
in rpmdrake? I do not get it but maybe there is a way. The reason for this
is simply because some rpm packages that I install using rpmdrake
On Friday 11 October 2002 03:58 am, Brandon wrote:
How do you extract the ISO? my burner is borken as a mentioned
earlier. Im new so i need every detail on how to get these ISO
unpacked and working, Thanks alot
ok this is how I do it from linux and extract to a partition that, as
someone so
On Friday 11 Oct 2002 5:08 am, you wrote:
When I fetch mail from my company server, it takes about 30 seconds.
What might be the problem? This is on an 8.2 machine.
Also, when I connect to the FTP server, it takes about 11 seconds.What
might be the problem here? Might the POP and FTP lag be
Thank you for the help.
I can't believe that I overlook the simple things, I guess I expected it to
be more difficult than this. ( Doh )
But, after editing to get a CDR and a printer working, I expected to have to
do it again.
As for Mozilla, yeah, I think I'm going with that.
I haven't
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith:
Is it always slow, or just the last week or so?
Always.
I have noticed some real problems lately, and wonder if it is down
to viruses overloading the system.
As I said, FTP and POP3 are slow, but SSH and SMTP are still quick.
Miark
Want to buy your
Hi guys, new to the list, and to Linux in general. (obviously, or I
wouldn't be posting here)
I finally decided to take the plunge and get into Linux, but I'm playing it
safe and installing on an old (5 years or so) laptop I've had lying around
not doing much. I don't want to risk losing data
Brandon wrote:
it works! im a happy man
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Dear Brandon,
I think I missed your thread. How did you get it to work?
I have
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On Friday 11 October 2002 2:07 pm, Jason Drushel did speak unto the huddled
masses, saying:
First of all, system specs. It's a Dell Inspiron 3200, P2-233 with 32mb
RAM, 4gb HD, Neologic or somesuch video card.
Any suggestions?
either get some
Hi Jason,
Welcome -
The bad news is that 32 MB is probably too little for what you have in
mind using Mdk 9.
I had an old Dell with 64 MB - I eventually had to add 128 MB to make a
fist of the hardware. Then it went along fine - on mdk 8.2 and now
9.0. (it chokes on Windows 98, NT and XP)
Win98 runs just fine on it.
You're the third person to suggest RAM as the problem, so I'm more inclined
to believe it now. And I can see that causing the various freezes during
installation. But the error messages? How would that account for the
securitypolicy and hard drive detection
Xmms will play ogg 'out of the box' No need to install or edit anything.
As for grip just edit the 'ConfigMP3Encoder' Tab
Set the encoder to 'oggenc'
and the 'MP3 executable' to /usr/bin/oggenc
and the 'MP3 command line' to
-o %m -a %a -l %d -c genre=%G -q %b -d %
and the mp3 file format to
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On Friday 11 October 2002 9:54 am, Miark did speak unto the huddled masses,
saying:
I've noticed that on the CLI, if you're actually in a CD directory,
you can't unmount the drive until you cd out. Makes sense: keep it
mounted until everybody is
Jason Drushel wrote:
Win98 runs just fine on it.
You're the third person to suggest RAM as the problem, so I'm more inclined
to believe it now. And I can see that causing the various freezes during
installation. But the error messages? How would that account for the
securitypolicy and
Using the linux expert noauto command at the prompt I'm at about 66%
through file copying, which is further than I've ever gotten into the
installation. I'm sure now that I've said something about it it'll crap
out on me though.
If so, I'll give 8.x a try, thanks.
With a low ram setup all
On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 17:28, Marcia wrote:
Brandon wrote:
it works! im a happy man
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Dear Brandon,
I
On Friday 11 October 2002 11:06 am, you wrote:
Versions 8.0 and 8.2's supermount have worked fine on my 2 sons comps.
(they are simple - 1 HD, 1 CD-ROM, 1 floppy - mine is more complex, 1 HD,
SCSI CD-ROM, SCSI CD-RW, Zip drive, etc, etc)
Does complexity seem to be a common factor?
I don't
Sorry I missed this trhead.
I wonder, is there a way to make the
apc power daemon recognise the
ups?
I'm sorry for being so poor in knowledge,
but I could not understand the docs and
faqs about the ups software.
I do not know what to type on the command line
or what application to bring up to
On Friday October 11 2002 01:25 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 11 Oct 2002 8:27 am, you wrote:
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 09:29 pm, you wrote:
Good Grief people. Why are you upgrading to 9.0 when you have 8.2
and it works (unless you really want to deal with a new distro's
issues)?
This is really odd - my HP DeskJet 694C has always worked. Well, its usually
not auto-detected during installation but I've always managed to set it up
between CUPS and XPP.
Anyways, now whenever I boot up, just at the end of the boot up messages, the
green light on the printer flashes once,
This seems silly to me, but I happen to have a Pioneer DVD-115 and a Yamaha
8/8/16.
Again, it seems like you're missing this. Supermount worked perfectly on this
exact hardware with 8.2. As soon as 9.0 was installed, certain CDs could not
be read by supermount. Lots of testing showed this
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From: Dennis Sue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:44:34 -0400
To: Mandrake Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Re : Changing Default Browser
Thank you for the help.
I can't believe that I overlook the simple things, I
This probably won't help, but check in the laptop's BIOS and make sure that
Plug Pray OS is turned off (if applicable). It sounds like it's having
difficulty detecting your hardware. Turning this off should help.
On Friday 11 October 2002 02:07 pm, Jason Drushel wrote:
Hi guys, new to the
You were right the first time, it didn't help. :-p
I downloaded 8.2 and went to install it, but half of the installation menu
came up (yes, half) before giving me a boot failed message. May be the
blanks I'm using, because the CD reads fine in my desktop systems. But
still no luck for me in
At 02:41 AM 10/11/2002 -0700, you wrote:
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On Friday 11 October 2002 9:54 am, Miark did speak unto the huddled masses,
saying:
I've noticed that on the CLI, if you're actually in a CD directory,
you can't unmount the drive until you cd out. Makes
rgr
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Hi all,
I did an expert install, and I have a lot of things
installed, and running, that I probably don't really need.
Do I need postfix? or saslauthd? What about netfs? I've
been searching on Google, but can't get definite answers.
The descriptions of what these progs do are
Is there a program I need to use to install tar files? or am I just not doing
it right.
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On Friday October 11 2002 01:39 pm, Ibly Piblo wrote:
Nothing found on Google
or mandrake search site or docs.
I cannot seem to find the configuration tool for apc
ups devices. The device that is being used is an older
ups device, it is controlled through the serial port.
The good ones
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