Linux seems to be one of those things that is hard to get set up, and after
it is it works much better that Windonts. First there is the problem of
Yep...I guess my view is that with another year of the current efforts to
address that installation stuff, this isn't going to be a problem.
i just did a large HD with win98 / mandrake, and norton disk doctor thinks i have a
partition problem tho both OSs work fine, so i believe it just can't recognize
the linux partition. if eveything is working fine for you, maybe it's ok??? i'm not
really sure. i suppose this doesn't
If I remember right (which means I could be wrong : ) /dev contains the
files for every possible hardware device you could ever attach to your
system. That's why it's so big (my /dev has 2234 files, "ls /dev | wc -l"). I
"Big" is an wonderful word. /dev is only a shade over 100k.
boot. It's all done from the keyboard. Frankly, I think the hype about
Grub is a lot of hot air and I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Hype? Not sure I know what you're referring to Mark but I'd agree that it
doesn't do much beyond what Lilo does. It's really too bad that the
Thanks James, but acctually i log on as a root, but don't know why still can't
access both drives, may be some settings is not right. Need to solve this problem
before proceed to Mandrake 7.1, please advise.
You could help the cause considerably if you'd post the contents of your fstab
file.
Many thanks for the info, however I think I screwed something up,
I think I did not get the install.sh file somehow, I still have
7.0-2 but I installed the newest rpm that I am aware of
from the rpmfind thingy, and still no install.sh fileuh oh.
This IS install.sh
grub
I am connecting to Bell Canada's HSE service in Toronto Canada.
My system config is P300A, 64MB ram, abit motherboard, DLINK Ethernet
card.
I can't help interpret your problem but will say that I'm using Bell Canada's
HSE as well, here in Quebec. All I did was download the pppo
effort to get the engine started. How long does the average Linux user run
with a crippled system (like the sound card not working) until all the
subsystems settle into place.
This is probably the best indicator of how "mature" Linux is becoming relative
to the average desktop user.
I must say I have never heard a line of shit like yours!
Did you know your hero claims to have been in combat?
Did you know he never was? Did you know that gun owners
are not all puppets? But sir you sure do sound like one.
rm -rf * will fix this problem.
While we're on the subject of Bush and all, what's everyone's view of the
Iraq sanctions? I work with Voices in the Wilderness (www.vitw.org) which
is working to end the sanctions. I wouldn't mind seeing what people's
opinions are.
That they shouldn't be discussed in a Linux
I don't care about it. Would you like to have 25 messages per day about
the traffic problems in our country?
It would be far more interesting than the drivel that had dumped into this
conference in the past few days :-) Are they using hoping to use Linux to
control traffic in your part of
Yes, but what happens as more people notice the free tanks? Slowly their
numbers gather and they become easier and easier to notice. Not seeing
them would be like being next door to Woodstock and not noticing anything
Maybe more important would be a changing environment that made owning a
Hopefully there are still a few Linux experts here in spite of the takeover by
the political pundits.
I mentioned that I had installed Helix-Gnome last night. What I didn't realize
was that in doing so I changed not only the shell I was using but also the
entire login sequence. Where is this
I, for one, enjoy reading the political banter. If you don't like it, you can
use the delete button when you see the heading you want to avoid. This is a
No, Jay...the reason there are many conferences is that each is subject
specific. Neither you or anyone else has the right to carry on
Uh oh I think I might see the problem, the menu.lst file
is missing, do I just create it? Or is the install
supposed to do that?
The install should have done that. Here's my menu.lst file. I'm going to drop
some comments into it to explain it to you. If you're going to use this, you
STOP IT!! NONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE OS WARS
Yep...I confessed that early on :-)
I'm writing a new OS right now in GW-BASIC in MS-DOS 3.3 that will 0wn
linux.
More power to you.
Seriously, I hope Linux does well, but, who knows? Do you all think that
This is the end. Sorry
Roman
Sorry to see you go but I can certainly understand your point of view. It's a
shame that a good resource can be so abused by the very people it's intended to
help but that seems to be the Internet. Should give everyone a pen I suppose.
Keeping this msg
Funny I turn lose complete novices on my Linux systems and they adapt
quickly. Some of them figured it out and can't even figure out how to turn
the computer on (yes that scares me too).
My guess is that it's easier for "complete novices" to deal with Linux than it
is for people who are
Does anyone know of a Linux version of Ghost. I'd like to do a "dumb"
byte-for-byte copy of one HD onto another one. Ghost will do it from Windows
except that I'm tired of fighting with Windows.
Cheers --- Larry
The Microsoft Antitrust Case is going to a lower court. And if George W.
Bush has his way. Mr. Bil will be able add - force people to accept what comes
with Windows? It's a sad day.
I believe Microsoft should be able to add whatever they want to their products.
I sure don't want anyone
To Mark Weaver:
Once upon a time Mark, you suggested to someone that they use Pronto for their
email. That generated a line on my 'Linux to do' list and this weekend I got
around to it. Thanks for that recommendation.
I used the ProntoInstaller and excepting that I had to edit the Perl
I am in Lanzarote, Canary Islands, Spain (Atlantic Ocean, in
front of Marrocco - Africa) ; probably you haven't even heard of it, it's a very
small volcanic island, the population is around 80.000 people, but
Neat! Lots of sunshine I bet. Being in Quebec Canada I have a keen
appreciation
In reference to 7.1 being buggy, I disagree intensely. Netscape does crash a
bit too much, but still not as much as Internet Exploder from Microcrap.
Not that it matters but I tried hard to drop Explorer in favor of
Netscape under Windows and always had to return to Explorer because it
was
The main things I'm running into are a poor X setup (that
might've been me not understanding how Mandrake is setup, but Mandrake is
definitely bad for KDE on a small, low-quality monitor) and probs with
Or at least with yours :-) It's clear that Linux, in general, needs
to improve its
Of course I missed the part about the user not being able to get to /etc,
and that's probably because he never mentioned it. Pretty much anyone that
I probably misinterpreted what he meant when he said "I don't know how
to _go to /etc_" My mistake.
loads Linux either has the manual that
I have a quick one for whoever is interested. How do I set the time? I
know I set my time zone correctly when I installed Linux, but for some
reason my clock is off by 3 hours.
Hi Phil,
Try "linuxconf" and then click on the "Control" tab. You should see
an option to set the date and
I so embarrased about asking this but how do I add a shortcut to the KDE
desktop. Do I right click and select New - Application? It says
Program.kdelnk, but I'm not sure what to do with it. Do I replace that is
/usr/bin/foo or something?
You know that old quote about no bad
Sound volume control is a frequent problem for new users..
Ok from a terminal 'aumix'
Thanks John...I'm presuming this is the base Linux sound control but I
would have thought that kmix would have done the same thing. Guess
not. I'll pass your msg to him. I'm more of a "quiet" computer
I have 2 machines here, a PentiumII/400 handbuilt, and a P-II/350
pre-built. Mandrake 7.1 runs fine on both of them. I think it is more a
matter of having more or less well supported hardware than where the
system comes from.
I agree about the hardware but what about the software source?
If you have installed the tarball version first,
can you just delete the dir in which you specified
Netscape to install or does it dribble a bunch of
stupid little libs all around that yoiu don't know about?
I'm not sure about stupid little libs but you can find out what files
were
Larry Marshall says that another 64MB RAM will not improve S.O. or printer
performance much on my setup (described in my original query below).
Uh...no I didn't. I really have no opinion on that subject. Not sure
who said that or whether they are correct or not.
a possible alternative
Yep. It was a SCSI emulator. You have to install the scsi
emulation. I don't remember how, but that should point you in
the right direction.
I don't believe that "emulation" is the proper term. What you need is
a link with the sticky bit set between scd0 and cdrom2 (assuming the
drive is
As is the next - If you don't know the answer to why the car above
won't start, should you not suggest "Did you turn the key to see if
the starter would operate" - seems fairly sensible.
I'm reminded of the basic tech support question in the early days of
the PC. "Is the machine plugged into
Ok i tryed all your suggestions so far, I finally got linux to reconize my
modem. All communication programs show it working, But i still can't get
kppp to dial my ISP..cause there is NO ttyS4 listed (only ttyS0-ttyS3).
Does anyone know the procedure to get Kppp to reconize ttyS4 from the
Yes I know all this stuff, but my modem in WIndows was on COM 5, so that is
why i am looking for ttyS4...i though i made myself pretty clear :)
Sorry Mark. Maybe you were clear in previous msgs in the thread but
there's too much mail going through this conference to keep track of
all of it.
These things being said this fact begs a serious and important
question. Why in the world are they doing it at all? Continuing to do so
is never going to help their standing in the world of desktop OS market
share.
You're absolutely right. I suspect its done because they realize that
lots
If you haven't already take a look into setting up procmail filters. It's
relatively easy, quick, and offers precise, hands-on control over the
filters and the messages getting filtered.
Can't say that I have. I'm using Netscape for my mail and haven't
even had the time to figure out why it
StarOffice is a resource hog. If you aren't running a P3 600+ with like
128MB RAM, it's slow. It's NOT Linux's system (well, the O/S anyhow).
Heck Steve, even those numbers don't make it load/run at a decent
pace. I've seen nothing like it in the Linux world. I'm praying that
Sun does
the correct name is. One of my compadres at work has
decided to put ME on his machine. He said it crashed a
lot. He was unable to even boot the machine today! I
Probably while doing its "maintenance" to keep it from crashing :-)
can't believe that MS was so stupid as to create this
I've only used their support once and got a timely and very helpful
response.
I am by now an "old hand" :-) at installing, configuring and
reinstalling my Linux, etc. But even for an "old hand", it would seem
that 2 incidents are just not enough. For a newbie, this is, I believe,
terribly
Don't get me wrong, I really like Linux and hope it flourishes. And I'm not saying
that Linux sucks in any way!
Mark...UNIX doesn't dominate the home computer market for one reason.
They've failed to get the interface useable by people who don't want
to know much about computers. I don't
So, why not offer LM 7.1 at the current price (around $50) and add the
option of a package deal on free email support for a certain period of
time beyond that, i.e. $50 to $75 for 30 or 60 days of serious tech
support, at least as it concerns installation issues and helping the
newbie get
all -- because I don't know how many megabytes I want, all I knew was that I wanted
packages A, B, and C. I just accepted the default and then it told
I find that question odd as well. I suspect it's a subtle notice of
how much stuff you've selected but it's too subtle :-) The app
Mark Johnson wrote:
Agreed. I think my use of "bad" was inappropriate...
Mark, I've been critical of "Linux" too. My criticisms have been
directed at the marketeers and/or the press who are telling unknowing
computer users that Linux is a drop-in replacement for Windows. I
suspect it might
p.s. i have the wardrobe, though! six t-shirts from thinkgeek.com! and i
have a stuffed penguin! and i devour slashdot upon a daily basis... oh,
god, *please* tell me i'm not a total failure and i have the makings of
a "real" linux user...!!
Anyone with a stuffed penguin is well on his way
About the only time that I have to go to that other O/S is when I need to
scan something as I have a Umax Astra 1220U Scanner and the USB Scanners
aren't quite there yet in Linux :-( but they'll get there -- I am
confident of that!
Patti, it's advertised that 7.1 has improved USB support.
of
that character in the ASCII character set. The standard IBM keyboard
under Windows let's you get any character by pressing Alt and typing
its number. I know of no equivalent in Linux.
Cheers --- Larry Marshall
peanut linux
???peanut linux
sounds luck someone was a nut when they wrote this version
Peanut Linux is a micro-version of the OS to use in small devices. It
will fit on a floppy.
Cheers --- Larry
I have been messing with trying to get kde or gnome (?) up and
running, and out of windows manager for awhile, but no one has been
able to help me, so I decided to join the mailing list. I have
Have you considered reading a basic book about Linux? If you don't, I
fear you're headed towards
Since nobody answered my first post does this mean I can't use Pine
with a dialup connection?
I don't use Pine but I can't imagine that it cares how the connection
is made as long as one is active when you tell it to send/receive
mail. I don't think it will initiate that connection though
Actually I wish the good folks at Mandrake wouldn't even offer this type
of installation choice. This is my opinion of course, but in doing so it
makes an extremely wonderful, dependable, powerful product look like crap
I second that. I see so many people here having trouble with this
that
I have managed to get Junkbuster going Result - No more Ads!!!
Wonderful
John...how is Junkbuster doing its filtering? I've tried a couple of
these in the Windoze world and they've always ended up filtering some
stuff that I really needed to receive.
Cheers --- Larry
Adobe's site. While installing Acrobat Reader, I had an error saying: cannot
create /usr/local/acrobat4/bin ... I wonder why it is not possible to
install it.
Most likely you are not "root" when you're trying to do this. You
need to be to have permission to write anything into /user/...
The current problem is all of us have the path setup correctly under our
usernames. If we 'su - root' the paths are still correct. However, if we 'su
root', no dash, then for two of us the paths are correct but for the
other, her path's are screwed up. We are all using bash. I don't
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How can I get the amount of hdd spaced used and how much is left on my
machine(multiple hdd's)
Check man df (for space) and man du (for files)
Cheers --- Larry
Not to be defending windows but it was most likly the way your
anti-virus was configured that keep changing your boot record back to its
orig. state.
Good point Charles...Mr. Norton does has a way with things himself. I
gave up running virus software all the time and went to scanning for
Is this a mailing list for people who want to learn ? about linux? and to
get help ?
Is there a difference (Grin)? I guess if there is it would be some
expectation that, as a help line, that it would work and/or that
responses should be expected. If that's the distinction then it's a
place
I know that a lot of you hate the Microsoft bashing, but when the hell is the public
going to wake up and realize that the joke is on us.
Just as soon as Linux reaches a point where most of the questions
asked here are unnecessary.
Cheers --- Larry
Bring up Konsole -- type in "whereis java" (without the quotes) and it
will tell you where it is. Mine is at /usr/bin/java
Patti, I haven't tested this extensively with Linux but with most
flavors of Unix, whereis is principally used to find system-related
files and searches only a specified
The menu editor is there, but not available graphically.
On 7.1 you can find it via Kmenu-Kpanel-Edit_menus
It's also at Kmenu-Configuration-Other-Menu_editor
Cheers --- Larry
Can anyone tell me a command, or config tool that will enable me to find the
address of my network card? (XX-XX-XX-XX-XX) Thank you.
I believe you'll find that "cat /proc/pci" will yield up what you
want.
Cheers --- Larry
Napster is dead, I cannot creat a new username,
I can't log on , the ip addresses are dead. Napster is dead
Vic...you can say that over and over but the darn place responds
everytime I try to connect there. You have a problem with Napster; it
is functioning fine. Truthfully, this doesn't
Frankly, I'm getting tired of people and their bloated sense of
self-importance on this list, and have made up my mind that in a week, if bashing
and flaming doesn't all settle down, I'm leaving.
Greg...I've left several conferences because I felt that the
signal/noise ratio became
dont use win2000! it hates anything that it detects as a non windows
partition,
I had a bizarre thought today. What would happen if Mickeysoft
decided that a nice feature of their operating system would be to
rewrite the boot record every time you booted Windows. This could be
referred to
Kathleen Dickason wrote:
I've gotten email in the past leading me to think that people found my coments
helpful, insightful, and funny, but it looks like it's time for me to unsub...
Maybe it's time for everyone to lighten up just abit. Didn't you
notice Greg's smily emoticon? Let's get a
In a few words: I thought they already did that! :-)
Not at my house...yet.
I had a windows 98 installation that consistently re-wrote the
disk-signature of my dual boot system's 2nd hard drive, and kept rendering
that damned drive's partitions hidden... so , I couldn't boot from it
I'm only using it because of the huge accumulation of Word, Excel and
Yep, my work dictates that I be Word-compatible. In fact, Star Office
isn't quite up to that task, though it's pretty good. Anyone here
have enough experience importing Word docs into Applixware to comment
on it?
I'm
John Rye wrote:
Mark Thurston wrote:
I have an HP Deskjet 722C printer and I can not get it to work in
Linux. The system finds the printer, tells me what it is and the
Look in your printers' manual - somewhere you should find a reference
to earlier HP Deskjets which it is similar
And here is the kicker...In Windows I couldn't run more than 800x640 res, while in
Linux I can go 1024x724. Figure that out, eh?
This is a function of the video drivers you have installed on both
operating systems. You could fix it in Windows but you have to go to
a different conference for
http://www.interguru.com/mailconv.htm
will convert Eudora to netscape, and I assume (fact check please) that the
mozilla address book matches the netscape windows address book.
Yippee! You made my day. I just downloaded DAWN (didn't like the
idea of filtering my addressbook through a
Mark Thurston wrote:
I need to do some C++ programming and I would prefer to do this on a
Linux machine, is there a C++ compiler and editor in
Mandrake-Linux? I have Linux-Mandrake 7.1 complete.
Yes...there is a set of CNU compiler apps and they're first rate. As
for editors, pick your
John Rye wrote:
Call up your favourit editor and start writing your code.
run man gcc from your commandline and you're off.
I think you'll find this works better with g++ if you're going to feed
it C++ code.
Cheers --- Larry
use kdevelop to program in c or c++, it is good c++/c programming
editor. and kdevelop package includes in
linux mandrake 7.0/7.1 installation cd
This is why I like this list. I know GNU compilers but didn't know
about kdevelop. Just popped it up and it looks like a really nice
environment
I tried the gcc, I actually used the command g++ at the command prompt and
every time it gives me an error saying "iostream.h is not found." Is
You must be real new to C++. You're going to have to read a wee bit
to get things set up as it's beyond the ability of a conference like
this to
Kathleen Dickason wrote:
Not necessarily. This library file (iostream.h) is missing from the Standard
install of drake 7.1, though it does install with the Developer version.
I guess I wouldn't have thought anyone would believe they were
"installed" for program development without doing a
Mark Thurston wrote:
So what do I do to get the Developer version? To be quite honest, this is
for a class that I am taking at school, we have to program in C++ on a Linux
system, so yes I am very new at this and I can use all the help I can get.
Mark, this isn't a different version, it's
I guess it's time for me to chirp in giggle. I use Star Office for
Thanks for chirping Patti.
both mail and browser and have found it extremely useful...it is more
like a mini-operating system than a office suite. I need to use Netscape
Exactly, which is the thing that turns me off. I'm
Why oh why do I/we keep seeing double postings??? Is something
about my configuration???
If there is John, then I've got the same problem. I suspect it's a
server problem. Now there we go...complaining in double.
Cheers -- Larry
I agree regarding the root login - however seems that even in the GUIs
one needs to violate the conventions now and then.
I guess my view is that the commandline has conventions and that the
GUIs are now developing them. I only have two neurons and so I need
to use them wisely when it comes
Richard Garand wrote:
KPackage and rpmDrake aren't in the menus, there's no
configuration-Packagin, and they don't work from the console. Do i have to
re-install Mandrake?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Larry Marshall
Sent
Comment - We must be about due for a flame here - something about
wasting bandwidth on reminiscing.
Don't know what this has to do with penguin icons but I for one am certainly
enjoying it, so please don't stop!!
Well...first there was this dumb question I asked about penguins. Then
Just type 'mc' at your terminal prompt - it should be part of the
standard install. It's almost exactly like the Dos equiv. - a few
Very interesting...something new to play with. thanks.
I'm not ofay with the history of Linux - I suspect that Linus
may have been avoiding copyright issues.
problem is knowing the names of the man pages
This is an understated and underestimated problem with computers and
software in general. We're provided with lots of syntactic reference
support (here's all the options you can use with this command) but
very little guidance when it comes to what
As root...
K Menu -- Settings -- Applications -- Login Manager
Click on User tab and play, Works like a dream
Thanks for the pointer. I guess I'm from the old school so my sys
admin stuff is done by my doing an su to root rather than logging on
as root. Thus, most of this graphical
Personally, I feel that the communicator package is a bit of a waste. There are
better mail, news and html editors available than what is included.
Communicator also seems to be less stable than navigator.
Can you name one you like? I'm using communicator right now and it's
a considerable
Long time since I worked exclusively at the command prompt - grin!!!
I suppose I'll get used to using all those graphical "aids" but I'm
comfortable at a Unix commandline, I was taught that one only logged
in as root under the most dire of circumstances, am too lazy to dump
out of X and
Romanator wrote:
Select K button--Disk Navigator--Menu Editor
Looks like they've got it in at least two places on the Kmenu. Thanks
for the tip. I do hope that the menus don't get reorganized this much
with every .x change of the operating system.
Cheers --- Larry
Cable modems that are set up right on yourend AND the ISP should NOT slow
down even if full to the brink with users, that is why there is a Peak
Transfer rate/and MIN transfer rate. Just like anything in the computer
world..expect less, but pleased when you get the best. :)
Ha..."setup
John Rye wrote:
Larry - I like(d) Eudora too and miss it functions in Linux.
One thing I realized the other day was that of the few programs that I
either miss (Eudora, Anytime) or that require that I boot Windows
(ACAD, MS-Word), only one of them is a Mickeysoft program. This isn't
a
Would this cause the grub problem and destroy the windows registry? There
were only 2 problems (in getting the operating systems to cooperate): grub
wouldn't boot windows and something (during the install?) destroyed my
registry. If i know what did this and how to avoid these problems, i'll
I have lately installed Linux Mandrake and find it very good,but I
have a few small problems:
1.I can't get it to work my zip drive.
Don't know zip drives...sorry.
2.I backed up my windows through Mandrake one time when I had to
re-boot windows but now it won't let me send the
Another very simple request! In windoze, there is an option
"Start-Programs-MSDos prompt". What's the equivalent in Linux if I boot
up with the KDE Desktop?
Kconsole...or if you've got a typical system, click on the small
computer screen icon that's on the bottom menu. It's an insult to
Sometimes these msgs really confuse me as there's no information that
explains how these problems could possibly occur.
I deleted the partitions and reinstalled windows yesterday..i want to
know why it destroyed my registry,
If your registry got destroyed, Windows did it, not Mandrake
Andrew Moore wrote:
Hi I posted a message earlier but this was before I was completely up to
spead on the mailling list. Maybe a response has already been post. I
using Mandrake 7.1 and on a machine that had been using Redhat 6.0.
Under Redhat my floppy worked (not my zip drive). When I
I'm from that old school which says go back to the lowest common denominator hence
the suggestion.
Didn't mean to suggest that your suggestion wouldn't work. But the
flurry of "I've lost data", "Can't find my partition", and "why can't I
get this installed" msgs have me wondering. I'll be
flupke wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Vic wrote:
them all, issue a :
find / -type d -a -name .xvpics -exec rm -rf {} \;
and it will erase all of them without any confirmation prompt.
Gee...and I thought I was out on a limb telling a newbie (for some
things, if you ask the question it says
I've been really enjoying your responses here on the list!
I'm really enjoying it here as well and have learned quite a bit
already.
That being said, I haven't really come up with a workable, steady backup solution
yet other than keep /home on it's own partition and tarballing data files
When i tried to partition my 4gig hd that has Windows 98 on it with Partition Magic
that came with Linux Mandrake 7.1 it saidthat it couldnt continue because of linked
files. is there any way to get it to work without having to format my hd?
From within Windows run Scandisk and have it fix
BTW I have the exact same problem...error on a Trident video card...strange
thing is...it's a supported AT24/3DFX video card
I installed 7.1 from the Max. Linux CD and found that there was a bunch
of stuff that existed in my Mandrake 7.0 Deluxe package that was
missing. One of those
I need to delete a bunch of directories called .xvpics that has somehow got
scattered all over my system (I don't know how)
That's a control file of some sort. My guess would be that it's created
by an xview app you run to view graphics. It's unclear why you'd have
more than one of them
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