Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-18 Thread Brian Cameron
Bob: Thank God Open Solaris doesn't have to worry about JDS branding success or issues. But I have to ask which "Sun-specific stuff" is or will be part of Open Solaris? The intent is to make the build system and patches we use to build and brand GNOME into JDS available to the OpenSolar

[osol-discuss] Re: If a disk slice is part of mirror, can this slice be used directly?

2005-07-18 Thread Victor Feng
Thank you for your warning of "savecore -L". I am going to do "dumpadm -d swap". Victor This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread Tao Chen
On 7/18/05, Jürgen Keil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears that the installation media did not get burned correctly.Yep.> If you have another system with "cdrtools" installed,> use the `readcd` tool to determine whether that is > the case.It would be even better to check the media using the sa

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: compiler cache for sun studio

2005-07-18 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/18/05, Sunil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > this to tools-discuss instead of the big list; it's > > likely to be of > > no tools-discuss here: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/index.jspa ...:( Look here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/discussions/ -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analys

Re: [osol-discuss] Addressing the base-library problem (Was: Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?)

2005-07-18 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Glynn Foster wrote: > Hey, > > > > ... I see a similar trend in Linux attempting to be birthed even now: > > > http://www.componentizedlinux.org/. The idea of a similar project > > > being birthed for OpenSolaris is an exciting thing to me... > > > > I second that, bigtime. So

Re: [osol-discuss] separation of forum and mailing list

2005-07-18 Thread Dan Mick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, the best interface would be the good old usenet. Granted, there is already usenet-like interface through gmane.org, but that one is read only. Can we please employ our newsreaders for opensolaris discussion groups? I would say that, although that might sound a

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Dan Mick
Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:01:09AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: No, Nevada is the engineering name for the development version of the whole Sun-Solaris. Then it is currently impossible to be binary compatible with it. That should not be true, as concerns public

[osol-discuss] Re: compiler cache for sun studio

2005-07-18 Thread Sunil
> Do you know what about CC breaks in ccache? Please mostly gnuisms like -E doesn't produce the .ii file in -o. Before I fixed it, I thought I will ask if studio tools had some beast like that. > this to tools-discuss instead of the big list; it's > likely to be of no tools-discuss here: http:

[osol-discuss] Re: [osol-mktg] About the announcements on opensolaris.org - should we "sign" them with author's name?

2005-07-18 Thread James C. McPherson
Claire Giordano wrote: ... Small request: I think, in the interests of attribution, making things personal, using authentic voice and all that - it would be great if all the announcements could be signed. The way the announcements work, there is no "From" value so you can't tell who wrote it

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-18 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 16:26 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: > On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 07:43 -0700, Bob Palowoda wrote: > > I was hoping for none and call it a day. > > Well, that could happen too... it's not up to me though :) So this is the completely rad thing - it *is* up to you, and it's up t

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-18 Thread Bob Palowoda
> On 7/18/05, Bob Palowoda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was hoping for none and call it a day. > > Some of the patches if they can't go upstream are > definitely > desireable. They include somewhat important things > like support for > SUN specific keyboard mappings, extensions to allow > CD

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Bob Palowoda
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:18:06PM -0700, Bob > Palowoda wrote: > > > So it would be an advantage to OpenSolaris > developers to have a list > > of such private interfaces as not to consider > developing any software > > that has a dependency. > > All interfaces are Private unless marked othe

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 09:44, Sunil wrote: > > Adding insult to injury, I used to consider Linux > > UNIX, until foaming-at-their-mouth Linux advocates > > kept correcting me that Linux IS NOT UNIX. > > ha ha haa...you got burnt by a linux fanatic...this is fun!! > This message posted from opensola

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:01:09AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > No, Nevada is the engineering name for the development version of the > > whole Sun-Solaris. > > Then it is currently impossible to be binary compatible with it. That should not be true, as concerns public interfaces. What you

Re: [osol-discuss] separation of forum and mailing list

2005-07-18 Thread Ian Collins
Gunnar Ritter wrote: Where is the essential difference between a Usenet group and a pre-filtered mail folder? Both contain a set of messages which you can read at any time you like. +1 Ian ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@

Re: [osol-discuss] separation of forum and mailing list

2005-07-18 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Dragan Cvetkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would say that, although that might sound a bit strict, if > usenet interface seem too technical for discussions, then most of > OpenSolaris groups would be over your head anyway. True. Usenet has proven many times that it is usable easily enough

[osol-discuss] separation of forum and mailing list

2005-07-18 Thread Sunil
is everyone happy with the way this forum/mailing list works? thank god I am not on the mailing list, otherwise I would be seeing so much of c**p (although, that way I won't be losing track of some the issues that I am interested in). And I feel sorry for people on the list because I have myself

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Danek Duvall
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 12:20:59PM -0700, Bob Palowoda wrote: > > All the Private interfaces in ON are now open source. Just as you > > could see many of them before by looking at header files or running nm > > on libraries doesn't mean that they're any more usable now. > > Sorry I didn't know

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/18/05, Jake Hamby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay, I did a more "scientific" test and uncompressed the archive first. FIRSTLY : This is great work ! Really ! I am sooo happy to see someone actually perform and experiment and then provide data. > Test system: 2.8GHz Pentium 4, 512MB

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread fabian . otto
* Ferdinand O. Tempel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050708 10:50]: > Real admins just change their account to use their preferred shell, > and specifically define which shell to use on the very first line of > their scripts (the famous shebang). An admin which _assumes_ a certain > environment instead of ex

Re: [osol-discuss] compiler cache for sun studio

2005-07-18 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 09:14:19AM -0700, Sunil wrote: > is there such a beast? ccache works but only with cc, not with CC. Do you know what about CC breaks in ccache? Please consider taking this to tools-discuss instead of the big list; it's likely to be of significant interest. It probably is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-18 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Poor Jörg. > > I think he may be afflicted with the Casandra complex [1] in which he > has created the only distro outside of Sun and vast years ( sorry Jörg > ) of experience but he is ignored or attacked. Like Casandra that > wandered about the palace

Re: [osol-discuss] separation of forum and mailing list

2005-07-18 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Sunil wrote: is everyone happy with the way this forum/mailing list works? thank god I am not on the mailing list, otherwise I would be seeing so much of c**p (although, that way I won't be losing track of some the issues that I am interested in). And I feel sorry for peop

Re: [osol-discuss] separation of forum and mailing list

2005-07-18 Thread Casper . Dik
>Actually, the best interface would be the good old usenet. Granted, there >is already usenet-like interface through gmane.org, but that one is read >only. Can we please employ our newsreaders for opensolaris discussion >groups? I would say that, although that might sound a bit strict, if >use

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-18 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/18/05, Gunnar Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gunnar Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Any makefile that uses $< in an explicit rule is dubtlessly broken if it > > > > claims to be porta

Re: [osol-discuss] New community contribution integrated

2005-07-18 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Dennis Clarke wrote: On 7/18/05, Serge Dussud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would just like to share with you that I recently integrated into onnv_19 fix for: 6203874 ypxfrd coredumps in x86 master/SPARC slave scenarios The fix was contributed by Juergen Keil, from Germany. Many thanks for you

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Sunil
> Adding insult to injury, I used to consider Linux > UNIX, until foaming-at-their-mouth Linux advocates > kept correcting me that Linux IS NOT UNIX. ha ha haa...you got burnt by a linux fanatic...this is fun!! This message posted from opensolaris.org __

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Sunil
you are way off. I had heard about OS fanatics but I am seeing a real one now. I have been(will always be) a solaris lover forever, but have never closed my mind to other OS's and their merits, ever. linux is a pretty darn good OS and getting better everyday, with lots of hard working and tale

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: If you have no medium in the drive, you will not see it due to the behavior of volmgt. Wait for Build 19 or 20 for a revised volmgt system that also shows "empty" drives while volmgt is running. Speaking of readcd, why doesn't -scanbus option work w

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gunnar Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And by the way, does star also still need the "-U" option in addition > > to "x" to match historical tar behavior? > Did I miss somtheing and there is a POSIX standard for "star"? But Jörg, you were previous

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This statement does not help, it is no longer needed since 18 months. > > Ok, I'll put it this way. Using the version of cdrtools as distributed > by blastwave.org, I cannot do cdrecord -scanbus without disabling > volmgt first. blastwave.org reports the

Re: [osol-discuss] If a disk slice is part of mirror, can this slice be used directly?

2005-07-18 Thread Daniel Rock
Victor Feng schrieb: Our Solaris boxes were installed by vendor. I observed that: 1. Dump device: /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s1 (dedicated) 2. /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s1 is part of mirror /dev/md/dsk/d1 3. /dev/md/dsk/d1 is the swap See the following script for details. 1. I wonder why the vendor uses /dev/dsk/c1t0

[osol-discuss] compiler cache for sun studio

2005-07-18 Thread Sunil
is there such a beast? ccache works but only with cc, not with CC. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/18/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 7/18/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > It appears that the installation media did not get burned correctly. > > > > > > >

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Gunnar Ritter
UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Your point being? That bash does implement some sort > > of Bourne/POSIX > > shell command language instead of the csh one? > > Ridiculous. > I wasn't trying to make a point that bash is more or less POSIX. No, you were claiming (you should not have remov

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/18/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > It appears that the installation media did not get burned correctly. > > > > > > If you have another system with "cdrtools" installed, use the `read

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-18 Thread Gunnar Ritter
Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gunnar Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Any makefile that uses $< in an explicit rule is dubtlessly broken if it > > > claims to be portable and authors of free software usually claim to > > > write

Re: [osol-discuss] New community contribution integrated

2005-07-18 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/18/05, Serge Dussud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would just like to share with you that I recently integrated into onnv_19 > fix for: > > 6203874 ypxfrd coredumps in x86 master/SPARC slave scenarios > > The fix was contributed by Juergen Keil, from Germany. > Many thanks for your contribut

[osol-discuss] New community contribution integrated

2005-07-18 Thread Serge Dussud
I would just like to share with you that I recently integrated into onnv_19 fix for: 6203874 ypxfrd coredumps in x86 master/SPARC slave scenarios The fix was contributed by Juergen Keil, from Germany. Many thanks for your contribution Juergen ! Serge This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/18/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It appears that the installation media did not get burned correctly. > > > > If you have another system with "cdrtools" installed, use the `readcd` tool > > to determine whether that is the case.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-18 Thread Calum Benson
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 07:43 -0700, Bob Palowoda wrote: > I was hoping for none and call it a day. Well, that could happen too... it's not up to me though :) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Java Desktop System

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-18 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/18/05, Bob Palowoda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was hoping for none and call it a day. Some of the patches if they can't go upstream are definitely desireable. They include somewhat important things like support for SUN specific keyboard mappings, extensions to allow CDE users to feel mo

[osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-18 Thread Sunil
> 149 nscan = (last_total_pages * > es * (tune.t_fsflushr))/v.v_autoup; shouldn't there be a fixed cap on nscan (may be derived from the capabilities of the IO subsystem)? it seems like this can be a potential IO bottleneck on large memory systems with tonnes of small files (hence larg

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Eric Boutilier
> > "Perversions" is an inflammatory word. Sounds like > > you might be trying to start a fight. Are you? > > Start a fight with whom? ... With anyone. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-18 Thread Sunil
> Something is wrong with your setup/config. Solaris that's what we are trying to figure out here. at least two people have said that they can reproduce the symptoms in their setup too. > Other x86 servers ran beautifully 'out of the box', > with no tune-ups or patches required. congrats! you a

[osol-discuss] Re: cdrecord-prodvd errors with xcdroast on OS

2005-07-18 Thread Sunil
> DVDs do not need to be blanked like CDRWs. Simply 'do not need', yes. but blanking them SHOULD NOT give error. read last few lines of my post. I said there that writing failed as well. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss m

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That is, if someone develops an application for "Sun's Nevada release", > > > *should* we expect it to, at a binary compatable level, just run > > > correctly on any other OpenSolaris-based distro? > > > > You cannot :-( > > Don't you mean: until Sun

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears that the installation media did not get burned correctly. > > If you have another system with "cdrtools" installed, use the `readcd` tool > to determine whether that is the case. > > For example, on Solaris: > > 1. insert media into the drive > 2

[osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-18 Thread Sunil
and you could post a howto, instead of docs.sun.com? I did read that, and the man pages of ipsec, ipsecalgs, ipseckey, ipsecconf. And came to the conclusion that 'emerge vpnc' was probably simpler and faster path to connecting to office than reading all that. don't install manually if you don't

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-18 Thread Bob Palowoda
> On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 07:06 -0700, Bob Palowoda > wrote: > > > > Thank God Open Solaris doesn't have to worry > about JDS branding > > success or issues. But I have to ask which > "Sun-specific stuff" is > > or will be part of Open Solaris? > > I don't think anyone knows the answer to that

[osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> I get terrible performance problems > some of the times(reported here in a separate thread > but didn't get much response from people, so assuming > that everyone is a getting a jittery USB mouse and > skipping in xmms during IO loads) and I just wanted > to see if the non-debug version performs

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 02:07 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > > Am I the only one that doesn't like the > > > --something-or-other options > > > of GNU related software? Please don't do this to > > > Solaris! > > > > No, you're not the only one. --op

[osol-discuss] If a disk slice is part of mirror, can this slice be used directly?

2005-07-18 Thread Victor Feng
Our Solaris boxes were installed by vendor. I observed that: 1. Dump device: /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s1 (dedicated) 2. /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s1 is part of mirror /dev/md/dsk/d1 3. /dev/md/dsk/d1 is the swap See the following script for details. Questions: 1. I wonder why the vendor uses /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s1 as dump

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jake Hamby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, I did a more "scientific" test and uncompressed the archive first. > Then I ran every version of tar at least twice (gtar three times b/c the > first two runs were so different). I ran star at the end to make sure the > results weren't getting sl

[osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
That would be ideal, but might be tricky to do if he has no OS installed on the machine in question. It could turn into a 'chicken and the egg' type of a problem. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-

[osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread Jürgen Keil
> It appears that the installation media did not get burned correctly. Yep. > If you have another system with "cdrtools" installed, > use the `readcd` tool to determine whether that is > the case. It would be even better to check the media using the same optical device that is going to be used d

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-18 Thread Calum Benson
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 07:06 -0700, Bob Palowoda wrote: > > Thank God Open Solaris doesn't have to worry about JDS branding > success or issues. But I have to ask which "Sun-specific stuff" is > or will be part of Open Solaris? I don't think anyone knows the answer to that yet, but I'm pretty

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> > > By my experience, I'd say _at least_ 70% of the > world's Linux/UNIX sys > admins and developers would put themselves in the > Linux/UNIX crowd not > one or the other. The rest fall about 20% in the > church of Linux and > 10% in the church of UNIX. This is based on my > attendance and > p

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread michael wolfe
why not discuss opensolaris vs. linux from a programmers perspective?! the main point of opensolaris/linux or any other OS is to do programming. maybe a topic on the viability of programming opensolaris vs. linux would be useful. i have recently installed opensolaris on my amd64 machine and hav

[osol-discuss] Re: Future of the desktop

2005-07-18 Thread Bob Palowoda
> On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 11:04 -0700, Daniel Johnsen > wrote: > > > a week ago I read, that the development resources > for the Java Desktop System will be decreased, > > All Sun has said is that we'll be focusing more on > Solaris and less on > Linux... just like we did when we first joined the >

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> "Perversions" is an inflammatory word. Sounds like > you might be trying > to start a fight. Are you? Start a fight with whom? Are you offended? Do you identify yourself with Linux? As for perversions, Linux is perverted in many different ways, which have been listed about a zillion-trillio

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And by the way, does star also still need the "-U" option in addition > to "x" to match historical tar behavior? Did I miss somtheing and there is a POSIX standard for "star"? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 06:58:24PM -0700, Jake Hamby wrote: > > > I just did a quick performance test of bsdtar vs. gnutar, star, and Solaris > > tar in extracting a large (704MB uncompressed) .tar.bz2 archive: > > In the case of compressed files, e

[osol-discuss] Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-18 Thread Chao-Feng Guo
Users are asking for the wishlist like Solaris 10 X86 3ware 9000 series RAID controller driver. I do know more people are investigating some good approaches to make the IHVs embrace the OpenSolaris. But it's a better way to have a community we could have more engaged or interested guys listening

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Eric Boutilier wrote: > ... > This is based on my attendance and > participation in about 13 Linux/UNIX conferences over the last 5 years... Correction: That should have said 16. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discu

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Gunnar Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Any makefile that uses $< in an explicit rule is dubtlessly broken if it > > claims to be portable and authors of free software usually claim to > > write portable software. > > _If_ they claim that. Otherw

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, UNIX admin wrote: > > ... > ...the Linux crowd... "The Linux crowd", "The UNIX crowd". Ug. By my experience, I'd say _at least_ 70% of the world's Linux/UNIX sys admins and developers would put themselves in the Linux/UNIX crowd not one or the other. The rest fall about 20

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, UNIX admin wrote: > > Am I the only one that doesn't like the > > --something-or-other options > > of GNU related software? Please don't do this to > > Solaris! > > No, you're not the only one. --options are completely uneccessary and serve > no purpose. > > I sincerely hope s

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Joerg Schilling wrote: > John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is it important (as an architectural goal...) that we could say > > "runs on OpenSolaris[1]" > > in the face of multiple "OpenSolaris based" distros? > > > > That is, if someone develops an application f

Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it important (as an architectural goal...) that we could say > "runs on OpenSolaris[1]" > in the face of multiple "OpenSolaris based" distros? > > That is, if someone develops an application for "Sun's Nevada release", > *should* we expect it to,

Re: [osol-discuss] Future of the desktop

2005-07-18 Thread Calum Benson
On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 11:04 -0700, Daniel Johnsen wrote: > a week ago I read, that the development resources for the Java Desktop System > will be decreased, All Sun has said is that we'll be focusing more on Solaris and less on Linux... just like we did when we first joined the GNOME Foundation

Re: [osol-mktg] Re: [osol-discuss] "... on OpenSolaris" is an oxymoron

2005-07-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/15/05, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Because these forums are surely being read by many (probably thousands) > > of people who are far less familiar with Solaris/OpenSolaris than the > > people who post here, I'd like to strongly caut

[osol-discuss] Re: perf problem during nv-b18-x86 install

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
It appears that the installation media did not get burned correctly. If you have another system with "cdrtools" installed, use the `readcd` tool to determine whether that is the case. For example, on Solaris: 1. insert media into the drive 2. /etc/init.d/volmgt stop 3. cdrecord -scanbus (to det

Re: [osol-discuss] New KDE Applications and a Patch

2005-07-18 Thread Stefan Teleman
On 7/18/05, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh geez, I have a firewire cam which has a driver, but I'm not sure if it's > been putback yet or not. I need to check that. > > The driver was ported from SPARC. On IA32 you also need to install the small KDEgdbm-300 package (which is in RE

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> I did that for 10 years and the trouble never > came That's OK. You're gambling, and whoever gambles is eventually bound to lose. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> Your point being? That bash does implement some sort > of Bourne/POSIX > shell command language instead of the csh one? > Ridiculous. I wasn't trying to make a point that bash is more or less POSIX. I was trying to make a point that bash is not very good, contrary to the popular [I][B]trends a

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> This is ridiculous! > So why does Solaris come with JDS/GNOME and GRUB if > it is not Linux? Because UNIX makes a clear separation of [I]mechanism[/I] and [I]policy[/I]. Just because Solaris implements a window manager or managers popular on Linux does not make it any more or less like Linux.

[osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-18 Thread Jürgen Keil
Completely disabling fsflush_do_pages() appears to work, by patching the kernel variable "dopageflush" to a value of 0. See line 440 in fsflush.c: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/usr/src/uts/common/fs/fsflush.c#440 Problem is, when you've unpacked all of the mozilla sources and run th

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Ian Collins
UNIX admin wrote: 2. if you're running split / and /usr on pre-Solaris10 system, you're asking for trouble. I did that for 10 years and the trouble never came Ian ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> Better yet, give people (all inclusive, including > newbies to Solaris who couldn't care less about > backward compatibility) options when they install and > try the OS out for a spin. Options within Solaris, > or > options within options. I think that's what > OpenSolaris is all about to begin

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> I respectfully disagree. While it does make sense to > have fewer > --options on regular usage command lines for > convenience/speed, I think > the --options are fundamentally important for > relatively new users to > the environment and I certainly don't think you > should be alienating > them.

[osol-discuss] Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> Real admins just change their account to use their > preferred shell, and specifically define which shell > to use on the very first line of their scripts (the > famous shebang). No. Real admins check if the shell they want to run exists, and if it does, do the following upon logging into a Sol

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Gunnar Ritter
UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Besides, bash is one of the absolute WORST ever shells. There are far > better shells, namely (pd)ksh, (t)csh, zsh and so on. > > Consider this quite rudimentary example: > > bash: > ls -l /tmp/ &; sleep 10 > bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;' > >

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> For me cursor keys did work on the command line since > the beginning > of the 80's. For me too. But then again, I used and still use /bin/tcsh from day one. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-dis

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> I always edit /etc/passwd manually to change root's > shell to ksh and change home to /root. > > And add followings to /etc/profile: > VISUAL=vi > PS1=`uname -n`:'${PWD##*/}# ' > export VISUAL PS1 > > This will enable vi commandline edit mode and also a > nice prompt :-) That's a severe hack.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why is it so???

2005-07-18 Thread Casper . Dik
>> 3. my PCI sound card isnt detected (Creative Audigy >> Platinum) > >Perhaps the audio drivers from http://tools.de/solaris/audio/ will work for >you. Or try 4front's opensound. >> 4. does Solaris support dial up internet connection >> or is it specifically configured for ethernet only? > >Y

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> I hope you don't do it by putting something like: > > exec ksh > > into .profile like many people do. This would make > your system > unusable in single user mode when /usr has not yet > been mounted See my post above. This message posted from opensolaris.org _

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> > exec /bin/ksh -o vi > > As we alrerady have discussed before, this is a > really bad idea > as it may make a system unusable if /usr could not be > mounted. Technically speaking: yes, agreed. However, nowdays there is no need to carve up the disk into separate FileSystems; it's not an effic

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> you are illogical dude!! All I want to know if bash > is present otherwise, does it matter if safe mode has > another half a meg executable? is size the only > concern? or illogical compatibility and safety > restrictions apply here as well. work the damn > incompatibilities if it means the world

[osol-discuss] About the announcements on opensolaris.org - should we "sign" them with author's name?

2005-07-18 Thread Claire Giordano
I noticed that someone pushed out an announcement about Sin-Yaw Wang's upcoming preso on OpenSolaris at Java2005 in Taiwan (in Aug, I think) - which is great (whoever posted it) - thanks for letting folks know about it. Small request: I think, in the interests of attribution, making things

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Glynn Foster
Hi, On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 02:07 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > Am I the only one that doesn't like the > > --something-or-other options > > of GNU related software? Please don't do this to > > Solaris! > > No, you're not the only one. --options are completely uneccessary and serve > no purpose.

[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Statistics - First 4 Weeks...

2005-07-18 Thread Claire Giordano
Just blogged stats for the first 4 weeks. FYI. (Thanks, Patrick, for the data.) Expect to see the stats evolve to be more useful in the future. We also have to figure out where on the website we will keep them. And Patrick just posted an email late last week about the difficulties (imposs

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> Repeat after me: Solaris is not Linux... Correct! And hopefully it will never be even remotely like Linux. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> Am I the only one that doesn't like the > --something-or-other options > of GNU related software? Please don't do this to > Solaris! No, you're not the only one. --options are completely uneccessary and serve no purpose. I sincerely hope such perversions will not be done to Solaris and OpenS

[osol-discuss] Re: cdrecord-prodvd errors with xcdroast on OS

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> I tried to blank this dvd+rw under OS and it refused > to blank it with these errors: DVDs do not need to be blanked like CD-RWs. Simply write over them. The only time when you have to format (not blank) a DVD-RW is when using DVD+RW media, when the media is still 'maiden media'. Please refer

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-18 Thread Jake Hamby
> > $ time gtar -xjf > ~/Downloads/kde/KDEkderequired-341.tar.bz2 > > > > $ bzcat ~/Downloads/kde/KDEkderequired-341.tar.bz2 > | time tar -xf - > > It's dangerous compairing these two - in one you're > running time on the > entire decompress/untar process, whilst in the second > you're only time'

[osol-discuss] Re: Are you ready for VPN on the OS? vpnc and patch for OS people.

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> So, more the OS becomes my main desktop, more I want > from it. I was using the other machine to connect to > my work, but it was a hassle. So, I made VPNC work on > OS with some minor (may be not that minor, some > issues took me a long time to track) tweaks here and > there. There was no need

[osol-discuss] Re: Why is it so???

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
> 1.For some reason, when I tried to install Solaris > onto my machine it kept freezing at the subsystem > boot screen.I read a post in the forums re: > freezing during boot and the advice was to disable > the onboard USB in the BIOS which works for my > situation too.my problem now is how

Re: [osol-discuss] New KDE Applications and a Patch

2005-07-18 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Saturday 16 July 2005 08:10 pm, Stefan Teleman wrote: > - DigiKam 0.7.3. if you are lucky and your digital camera has a > Solaris driver, DigiKam is for you. :-) it can organize your photos > in albums, and it has tons of image editing and transformation > plugins. Oh geez, I have a firewire ca

[osol-discuss] Re: ss20?

2005-07-18 Thread UNIX admin
I have Solaris9 12/03 running on a Sun SPARCStation10 with dual CPUs. Installed without problem. Has been running for a year now without problems. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensola

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