Hi,
Klaus Kaempf schrieb:
>> online_update is gone and that's OK for me. rug replaces its
>> functionality, and there are alternatives available. But the other ones
>> are missing while needed: Their absense breaks the "Install package with
>> YaST" and "Add directory as a YaST source" features of
Hi,
Klaus Kaempf schrieb:
>> Ideally, the installation_sources replacement would be called
>> installation_sources and support the same commandline syntax as the old
>> installation_sources.
>
> Was the old tool and its options sufficiently useful ? How do they compare
> to e.g. rug or smart ?
Y
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 01:41:50PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote:
> > kdebase3-SuSE could be changed to use createrepo
> > instead of genIS_PLAINcache and the installation_sources replacement.
> >
> > Ideally, the installation_sources replacement would be called
> > installation_sources and support th
* Andreas Hanke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Jun 25. 2006 01:25]:
> Hi,
>
> continuing an old thread...
>
> Andreas Jaeger schrieb:
> > As discussed last week, I wanted to continue the discussion about the
> > package management changes - but not concentrating on the real bugs
> > we're fixing now but on
Andreas Hanke wrote:
In the case that this is not possible for whatever reason, wouldn't it
be better to remove the two buttons "Install package with YaST" and "Add
directory as a YaST source" from kdebase3-SuSE ASAP? Presenting this
currently broken feature pisses a lot of users because they th
Hi,
continuing an old thread...
Andreas Jaeger schrieb:
> As discussed last week, I wanted to continue the discussion about the
> package management changes - but not concentrating on the real bugs
> we're fixing now but on general issues:
Some thoughts:
1. libzypp does not offer the full funct
* Ulrich Windl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [May 31. 2006 07:59]:
>
> where's the repodata DTD BTW?
>
The official ones for the repomd base format are at
http://linux.duke.edu/projects/metadata/dtd/
The SUSE extensions are available as .rng files as part
of the libzypp package:
/usr/share/zypp/schem
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 08:23:23AM +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> I'm afraid that too much effort is put into making the last two categories of
> users happy, while in fact those are exactly the kind of users who won't be
> happy
> with Linux. They want the possibility to ruin their installation e
On 31 May 2006 at 15:49, houghi wrote:
> On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:01:40AM +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> > Is it really asked too much for a user to know how to install software?:
>
> Apparently. Even installing software that is on CD 1 can be a chalange. At
> this moment the Linux users are cha
tir, 30,.05.2006 kl. 10.09 +0200, skrev Andreas Jaeger:
> Bjørn Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Doesn't this exit now?
> >
> > munin:/home/blie # rug set cache-cleanup-enabled False
> > Preference 'cache-cleanup-enabled' changed from 'True' to 'False'
>
> Does it work with service zypp?
>
houghi wrote:
What happens is that people look for software, see a nice screenshot and
want to install it and have no clue what to do with
the "Klic" system is for them
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On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 08:55:35AM +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> OTOH, Microsoft Windows (Outlook?) does that as well: If the file has any
> previewable suffix, the preview module corresponding to the "file magic word"
> (not
> the suffix) is called for "preview". Virus writers know that quite we
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:01:40AM +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> Is it really asked too much for a user to know how to install software?:
Apparently. Even installing software that is on CD 1 can be a chalange. At
this moment the Linux users are changing as a type. From the 'geek' it
slowly moves t
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 07:31:42AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As I already said I believe something along these lines would be useful to
> users even if only used in conjunction with the build service and existing
> suse packaging projects. It would of course be even more beneficial if
> man
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 02:39:20PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> houghi wrote:
> >On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:40:35PM +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
> >
> >>You can ad the root passwort each time, if you want. But why should other
> >>users not be able to leave this step out?
> >
> >
> >I click on the world
houghi wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:40:35PM +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
You can ad the root passwort each time, if you want. But why should other
users not be able to leave this step out?
I click on the world and then on Configure. I can't find where to remove
it. As I forgot how I g
If you see how many deveopers only give you a sourcefile or just
sourcefile and a *.deb, I doubt very much that they suddenly will start
adding what you want.
so anybody could do.
there are numbers of packages (I remember that was the case
for LyX) for wich the SUSE rpm is made by a volunteer.
Dňa Ut 30. Máj 2006 18:36 [EMAIL PROTECTED] napísal:
> > -If you select a package and click 'Install this', YaST must know is just
> > have
> > to install without showing the big window.
>
> Many users are used to the windows or macos way where you find an
> application,you download it and install
> Is it really asked too much for a user to know how to install software?:
Yes
> but some thinking before installing software is still required.
Indeed, the user needs to be presented with enough information to make an
informed choice about whether or not he/she should really install it.
However
On 30 May 2006 at 19:25, houghi wrote:
[...]
> In Konqueror you can already do such a thing. Browse to an RPM, click on
> it and then select to install with YaST.
>
> It should not be too difficult to make something like that for other
> browsers like Firefox to do the same.
Is it really asked to
On 30 May 2006 at 18:13, houghi wrote:
> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:53:18PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> > >That does not mean that Linux can not work with a capital U.
> >
> > how does mime-types works?
>
> It 'should' be done with `file`:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] : file suse.mp3
> suse.mp3: MPEG ADTS, layer
On 30 May 2006 at 17:54, jdd wrote:
> houghi wrote:
> > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:10:51PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> >
> >>may be like the "look ahead" system of Mozilla. even with a
> >>slow connexion, one is sometimes online with little traffic
> >>(reading google...). At that time, using the conne
On 30 May 2006 at 17:53, jdd wrote:
> houghi wrote:
[...]
> > That does not mean that Linux can not work with a capital U.
>
> how does mime-types works?
case insensitive I think. Otherwise it would be a bug.
Or was your question how "file extension to mime-types mapping" works? Case
sensitive, o
> It is not the users you need to convince. It is the thousands of people
> who make the software and might not even use SUSE that you need to
> convince. Remember that many of them can't even bother to make an RPM
> package.
As I already said I believe something along these lines would be useful
On 30 May 2006 at 15:58, Andreas Hanke wrote:
> Hi,
>
> jdd schrieb:
> > * oh... any way to make SuSEConfig faster? (old, very old problem, I beg
> > no solution)
SuSEconfig seems quite faster if it's output isn't suppressed ;-) Then you can
guess better what's actually going on.
Ulrich
On 30 May 2006 at 15:02, Andreas Hanke wrote:
> Kenneth Schneider schrieb:
> > True, if you want a less secure OS use MS windows. If you want a more
> > secure OS use linux
> >
> >> If a home user does not want to type the root-password each time he is
> >> installing a program, then this is his
On 31 May 2006 at 0:56, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
> > This is mandated by the switch to repomd. repomd's design doesn't allow
> > downloading only a subset of metadata because all metadata are stored in
> > a single XML file. (It's actually not a single XML file, but the effect
> > is the same as if
> No need of pursuing down that path anyway, mandating rsync on mirror
> servers is a blocker ;)
A similar effect can be achieved with splitting up the repodata gzip
monster into sequentially numbered files. Add something new, add a new
number, the old ones are already locally available, so you on
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> Robert Schiele wrote:
>> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:08:24PM +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
>>> I know that. But for the initial download, a bzip2 compressed file
>>> is likely to be much smaller than a gzip compres
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 08:40:03PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> if I understand well the thing, this will be solved (well,
> can be right now) by the build service. it's probably made
> for this in the first place :-)
Yes. That is what I said. The OP however told this:
"User visits $app's homepage"
That
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:53:50PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> a) Is this technically feasible?
Yes
> b) Could it make things better for users
Yes.
c) Will programmers use is?
No.
It is not the users you need to convince. It is the thousands of people
who make the software and might not ev
> The developers of most software won't do this. Most likely they don't even
> know what repositries they need to add for each
I think there are enough possibilities for its use within the opensuse
community to make it worthwhile by themselves. If it became popular more
people would start using it
houghi wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:53:52PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Konqueror you can already do such a thing. Browse to an RPM, click on
it and then select to install with YaST.
I am aware of this, this is not what I was suggesting at all. This method
of installing a single r
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:06:58PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Not at all, of course they can do, and some might wish to. But all they
> would need to do is host a tiny file containing a list of packages to
> install their product and repositories they are available from.
The developers of
> Then what you are sugesting is not possible, or at least not workable.
> You are asking that developers maintain their own repository. That won't
> happen, even if it might be very easy to do.
Not at all, of course they can do, and some might wish to. But all they
would need to do is host a tiny
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:53:52PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > In Konqueror you can already do such a thing. Browse to an RPM, click on
> > it and then select to install with YaST.
>
> I am aware of this, this is not what I was suggesting at all. This method
> of installing a single rpm wi
houghi wrote:
> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:36:42PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> 2:User wants to install current version of $app, User visits $app's
>> homepage, clicks "install on SUSE Linux" link and the program is
>> automatically installed by the package management system. (after
>> a
> In Konqueror you can already do such a thing. Browse to an RPM, click on
> it and then select to install with YaST.
I am aware of this, this is not what I was suggesting at all. This method
of installing a single rpm will only work if yast already has repositories
containing all of its dependenc
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:36:42PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 2:User wants to install current version of $app, User visits $app's
> homepage, clicks "install on SUSE Linux" link and the program is
> automatically installed by the package management system. (after
> appropriate confirmation,a
> -If you select a package and click 'Install this', YaST must know is just
> have
> to install without showing the big window.
Many users are used to the windows or macos way where you find an
application,you download it and install it in some manner. Package
management makes many things easier b
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 17:53, jdd wrote:
> how does mime-types works?
There is a file called magic, which contains rules for identifying various
file types. This is why programs under linux can recognize a certain type of
file regardless of the name
mime types over the internet rely on the serv
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:52:24PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> look at the nice k3b sticked progress bar
Matter of taste. I hate it. :-)
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>
> Today I wen
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:53:18PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> >That does not mean that Linux can not work with a capital U.
>
> how does mime-types works?
It 'should' be done with `file`:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] : file suse.mp3
suse.mp3: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v2, 32 kBits, 22.05 kHz, Monaural
[EMAIL PROTECTE
houghi wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:10:51PM +0200, jdd wrote:
may be like the "look ahead" system of Mozilla. even with a
slow connexion, one is sometimes online with little traffic
(reading google...). At that time, using the connexion to
update part of a file could be great.
Is it po
houghi wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:28:20PM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote:
Btw. try to remove the .so suffix from your libraries
and the .py suffix from your Python modules in order to see how well
Linux software works without filename extensions. Have a nice day, too,
That
Azerion wrote:
-If you select a package and click 'Install this', YaST must know is just have
to install without showing the big window. Just a little progressbar with a
detail-tab would be nice (and it must be tray-able).
look at the nice k3b sticked progress bar
jdd
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On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:40:35PM +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
> You can ad the root passwort each time, if you want. But why should other
> users not be able to leave this step out?
I click on the world and then on Configure. I can't find where to remove
it. As I forgot how I got to this stag
Andreas Hanke wrote:
difference between operating systems and a file name suffix?
it's only interesting for me at this point because of that.
Don't knowing quite nothing about mono, I was really
thinking that .exe was only windows files. that this is not
the case don't have any importance f
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:28:20PM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote:
> Btw. try to remove the .so suffix from your libraries
> and the .py suffix from your Python modules in order to see how well
> Linux software works without filename extensions. Have a nice day, too,
That should be bec
Here comes my view:
At this point users will be confused. And that is not so weird. When I only
look at how ZEN is fragmented:
ZEN-remover
ZEN-updater
ZEN-installer
Why in Earth aren't these together? It similar with having a Calculator with:
the components:
Calculate Decrease
Calculate Increa
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:10:51PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> may be like the "look ahead" system of Mozilla. even with a
> slow connexion, one is sometimes online with little traffic
> (reading google...). At that time, using the connexion to
> update part of a file could be great.
>
> Is it possible
Carl-Daniel Hailfinger schrieb:
> So you say that the SUSE package management designers were forced
> to use mono .exe files regardless of whether it makes sense?
> Interesting conspiracy theory.
.exe is the file name suffix of CLI programs by convention and using it
instead of deviating from the
houghi wrote:
No, I mean that you set YOU with YaST to get certain packages at a certain
time. Also I am not saying it _is_ YOU. I am saying it is _simmilar_ to
YOU.
OK. like this, quite true. It's also like some anti-virus
system works on the concurrent system :-) dayly update,
unnoticed if
Andreas Hanke wrote:
> Volker Kuhlmann schrieb:
>> This thread is about what's annoying about the package management. .exe
>> processes are.
>
> .exe processes are neither specific to the package management nor can
> they be influenced by the people who are designing the package
> management archi
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:53:24PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> houghi wrote:
> >On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:29:46PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> >
> >>>Ah, ok. Something like YOU.
> >>
> >>YOU is not so.
> >>
> >>I don't mean to do the hole job in the background, only
> >>updating the meta-data.
> >
> >
> >Ok, so s
Hi,
jdd schrieb:
> * oh... any way to make SuSEConfig faster? (old, very old problem, I beg
> no solution)
No generic one. You would have to look into each individual
/sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.* file and try to optimize it. It's not easy
because most of them are already optimized for speed.
Howeve
Robert Schiele wrote:
> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:08:24PM +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
>> I know that. But for the initial download, a bzip2 compressed file
>> is likely to be much smaller than a gzip compressed file.
>
> About 30% on that type of file. Do you think this is worth the eff
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:08:24PM +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> I know that. But for the initial download, a bzip2 compressed file
> is likely to be much smaller than a gzip compressed file.
About 30% on that type of file. Do you think this is worth the effort to
accept having redundant
houghi wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:29:46PM +0200, jdd wrote:
Ah, ok. Something like YOU.
YOU is not so.
I don't mean to do the hole job in the background, only
updating the meta-data.
Ok, so something like the process that YOU is doing.
? do you mean when I lauch software install
Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
You can ad the root passwort each time, if you want. But why should other
users not be able to leave this step out?
you can already ask Yast (or kde?) to keep the passwd for you.
the reason why many windows application don't works as a
user and needs badly admin right
May I add a comment:
* we need a speed indicator. That is a speedometer of the
data repository. Some utility thats says wich inst-source is
the faster. USB, DVD, Internet, ethernet 10, 100, gigs,
there are so many choices and it's prety difficult to know
which is the best (no to speak about t
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:29:46PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> >Ah, ok. Something like YOU.
>
> YOU is not so.
>
> I don't mean to do the hole job in the background, only
> updating the meta-data.
Ok, so something like the process that YOU is doing.
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Am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2006 15:30 schrieb houghi:
> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:02:49PM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote:
> > Why do we need these Windows-Linux comparisons? Superuser capabilities
> > are a genuine UNIX feature. There is nothing "MS Windows-like" in having
> > an option to grant users certa
Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
You forgot, that installing without the root password is not the default. So
root/the user has to add a user/himself. Security vs. usabiltity is a never
ending theme, but that's not the most important one: Even more important than
security is _choice_.
one thing is
Andreas Hanke wrote:
And of course the same point with the installation system applies here
as well: A curses based package manager is needed to install SUSE Linux
on systems where the hardware doesn't allow YaST to run in GUI mode. ;)
Therefore it needs to be maintained anyway.
and this is no
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:02:49PM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote:
> Why do we need these Windows-Linux comparisons? Superuser capabilities
> are a genuine UNIX feature. There is nothing "MS Windows-like" in having
> an option to grant users certain permissions.
Those options are available. sudoers is
houghi wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:40:43AM +0200, jdd wrote:
houghi wrote:
What do you mean by 'in the background'?
cron job? high nice?
Ah, ok. Something like YOU.
YOU is not so.
I don't mean to do the hole job in the background, only
updating the meta-data.
I'm always relu
houghi wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:01:10AM +0200, jdd wrote:
AFAIK, there is no way (in 10.0) to manage repositories
independantly (we can only add or delete one). When I see a
package in Yast, I don't know from what repository it comes.
YaST, Software Management, Installation Summery
Volker Kuhlmann schrieb:
> This thread is about what's annoying about the package management. .exe
> processes are.
.exe processes are neither specific to the package management nor can
they be influenced by the people who are designing the package
management architecture for SUSE Linux. Try a Mon
Kenneth Schneider schrieb:
> True, if you want a less secure OS use MS windows. If you want a more
> secure OS use linux
>
>> If a home user does not want to type the root-password each time he is
>> installing a program, then this is his choice.
>
> Then just login as root all the time.
>
> Ag
> This is mandated by the switch to repomd. repomd's design doesn't allow
> downloading only a subset of metadata because all metadata are stored in
> a single XML file. (It's actually not a single XML file, but the effect
> is the same as if it were.)
Whatever the reason, it SUCKS. (And it's not
On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 14:37 +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2006 14:22 schrieb Kenneth Schneider:
> >
> > You must also like MS windows with all of it's virii/worm spreading
> > capabilities as that is what you are asking for here.
> Never worked with Windows, so I don't know
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:47:20PM +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
> > And
> > implementing it both for X and curses would be a duplication of effort
> > already put into sw_single.
> It's not so simple. While all other YaST modules have the same code for
> command line and GUI, the package manage
Am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2006 14:22 schrieb Kenneth Schneider:
> On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 11:40 +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
> > Reminds me of the unix-way-of-doing things:
> >
> > we first need a fast, damn-good working command line tool. Then we can
> > start about discussing and implementing GUIs for
Marcel Hilzinger schrieb:
> Not calling it YaST2 does not mean (hopefully), that there is no full
> featured
> package manager.
To work within the installation system, it has to be integrated with the
rest of YaST in the same way the current sw_single is.
Actually I don't really get the point h
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 08:22:43AM -0400, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 11:40 +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
>
> > Reminds me of the unix-way-of-doing things:
> >
> > we first need a fast, damn-good working command line tool. Then we can
> > start
> > about discussing and imp
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:02:35AM +0200, jdd wrote:
> I don't remember having seen two package versions in yast or
> not recently
On my 10.1 I have e.g. speex and I have 6 versions that I can install.
2 x 1.0.5-12. One from FTP, the other from CD
4 x 1.1.12.0-pm-0. Two times i686 and two times i
On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 11:40 +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
> Reminds me of the unix-way-of-doing things:
>
> we first need a fast, damn-good working command line tool. Then we can start
> about discussing and implementing GUIs for this command line.
>
> ZDM should run on rug, not vice-versa, as
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:40:43AM +0200, jdd wrote:
> houghi wrote:
>
> >What do you mean by 'in the background'?
>
> cron job? high nice?
Ah, ok. Something like YOU.
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On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:01:10AM +0200, jdd wrote:
> AFAIK, there is no way (in 10.0) to manage repositories
> independantly (we can only add or delete one). When I see a
> package in Yast, I don't know from what repository it comes.
YaST, Software Management, Installation Summery. There you p
Robert Schiele wrote:
> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:50:16PM +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
>> - have the repodata available twice: uncompressed and bzip2 compressed
>> - first download gets the bz2 version
>> - further syncs use rsync to update the repodata
>
> No need to have it twice. If y
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:50:16PM +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> - have the repodata available twice: uncompressed and bzip2 compressed
> - first download gets the bz2 version
> - further syncs use rsync to update the repodata
No need to have it twice. If you use gzip you can make gzip t
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 08:42:10AM +0200, Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
> Dňa Po 29. Máj 2006 18:15 houghi napísal:
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > > then the command line tools.
> > >
> > > there should be a very precise documentation on how to use
> > > all the tools available. much more than what is availab
Marcus Meissner wrote:
> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:17:12PM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote:
>> Volker Kuhlmann schrieb:
>>> * Downloading >10MB of gziped repodata just to check what changed today
>>> is not really acceptable, and a killer for dialup. This also emphasizes
>>> the previous point.
>
> Wh
Am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2006 12:23 schrieb Andreas Hanke:
> Marcel Hilzinger schrieb:
> > I also think, that removing the package manager from YaST is a good idea.
> > yast and yast2 makes a lot of work.
>
> Oh no, please don't even consider doing that!
>
> First, this is not possible at all because t
Am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2006 12:02 schrieb Tobias Burnus:
> Hello,
>
> Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
> > ZDM should run on rug, not vice-versa, as an additional feature.
>
> That I do not understand. Do you mean: rug should use libzypp directly
> and zmd optionally?
Yes, I doubt, that there is anybody on th
Hi,
Marcus Meissner schrieb:
> What about:
>
> - cache the repodata.
> - download repomd.xml (very small)
> - check if cache is current by comparing the sha1sums.
Isn't that already the case? Correct me if I'm wrong.
But the metadata would still have to be downloaded completely if the
cache is
Am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2006 10:50 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
> Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> One question we have is how the new tools rug, zen-updater and zmd
> >> compare to what we had before with YaST Online Update and
> >> suseWatcher. We are interested in every feedback ranging
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:17:12PM +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote:
> Volker Kuhlmann schrieb:
> > * Use delta rpms. Superb technology, why throw it out the window?
>
> Rumours say that this will definitely come back and that the current
> lack of support for deltarpms is temporary. It was lost during
Volker Kuhlmann schrieb:
> * Use delta rpms. Superb technology, why throw it out the window?
Rumours say that this will definitely come back and that the current
lack of support for deltarpms is temporary. It was lost during the port
of YaST to libzypp, but not thrown out of the window.
> * Downl
Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
I also think, that removing the package manager from YaST is a good idea.
yast and yast2 makes a lot of work. With a good commandline tool, there is no
need for yast-pm in console mode. It's too much work.
please don't! it's the main reason I'm with SUSE...
I also l
> I think the question here is even greater: Do we really need a daemon?
Good question, and I think my answer is: no. Or at least not initially.
I think the whole situation is severely upside down (belly up?).
Cranking up megapackage just for checking for updates? No.
Here's the pyramid how it s
Marcel Hilzinger schrieb:
> I also think, that removing the package manager from YaST is a good idea.
> yast and yast2 makes a lot of work.
Oh no, please don't even consider doing that!
First, this is not possible at all because the YaST2 package manager is
needed during the installation. Not h
Hello,
Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
> ZDM should run on rug, not vice-versa, as an additional feature.
>
That I do not understand. Do you mean: rug should use libzypp directly
and zmd optionally?
> I also like the new user management, so you do not need the root password for
> package installation
Am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2006 10:52 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
> Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> One question we have is how the new tools rug, zen-updater and zmd
> >> compare to what we had before with YaST Online Update and
> >> suseWatcher. We are interested in every feedback ranging
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:11:35AM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote:
> * Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [May 30. 2006 10:56]:
> >
> > The most basic reason behind this is that ZMD is not integrated well with
> > libzypp.
> >
> > The whole "hack" with the helper binaries called and passing of
> > cr
Dňa Ut 30. Máj 2006 10:57 Pascal Bleser napísal:
> Marcus Meissner wrote:
> >> One question we have is how the new tools rug, zen-updater and zmd
> >> compare to what we had before with YaST Online Update and
> >> suseWatcher. We are interested in every feedback ranging from
> >> architecture, desi
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:53:08AM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > [...]
> > - Also a update management system agnostic YOU watcher.
> >
> > The old one just ran "online_update" and parsed its output.
> > Only for the actual update it requir
Marcus Meissner wrote:
>> One question we have is how the new tools rug, zen-updater and zmd
>> compare to what we had before with YaST Online Update and
>> suseWatcher. We are interested in every feedback ranging from
>> architecture, design or used standards and their enhancements.
>
> It should
Dňa Ut 30. Máj 2006 10:56 Marcus Meissner napísal:
> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:52:05AM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> > Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >> One question we have is how the new tools rug, zen-updater and zmd
> > >> compare to what we had before with YaST Online Update
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