Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-21 Thread David Mann
On Dec 21, 2009, at 12:15 AM, Cotty wrote: On 19/12/09, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed: In the United States, more than 60% of all the apples sold commercially are grown in Washington state. I think Steve Jobs has a lawsuit lined up against the state for selling that

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-20 Thread Cotty
On 19/12/09, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed: In the United States, more than 60% of all the apples sold commercially are grown in Washington state. I think Steve Jobs has a lawsuit lined up against the state for selling that particular fruit. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ ||

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-20 Thread eckinator
Makes me wonder why he hasn't thought of suing the various employment agencies for offering Jobs... 2009/12/20 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: On 19/12/09, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed: In the United States, more than 60% of all the apples sold commercially are grown in Washington

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-20 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 20, 2009, at 03:15 , Cotty wrote: On 19/12/09, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed: In the United States, more than 60% of all the apples sold commercially are grown in Washington state. I think Steve Jobs has a lawsuit lined up against the state for selling that

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Thank You Graydon! I've always felt that the vegans vegitarians were looking down on us meat eaters. I'm really sorry that you feel that some vegans and vegetarians look down on you. Maybe some do, but for myself,

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: snip For the most part, the food industry does what it can to provide us with meats with the minimal harm and trauma. snip That is an inaccurate statement. Simply put, it's wrong. I'm not going to argue, but please do

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Reading, somewhat backwards timewise... well said Joe!  'We', our society, slaughters thousands, millions actually. of human lives, in foolish, stupid, greedy wars... a far less noble effort than feeding our families. snip That

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: LOL... I haven't followed this thread up to now... One of my favorite sayings: I didn't make it to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. :-) What about all those bad animals that are not vegetarians themselves? The

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 19, 2009, at 00:21 , frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: snip For the most part, the food industry does what it can to provide us with meats with the minimal harm and trauma. snip That is an inaccurate statement. Simply

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 19, 2009, at 00:23 , frank theriault wrote: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Reading, somewhat backwards timewise... well said Joe! 'We', our society, slaughters thousands, millions actually. of human lives, in foolish, stupid, greedy wars... a far less

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Graydon
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 03:17:46AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit: While that's regretable, and maybe even wrong, that's no rationalization for harming animals by raising livestock in horrible conditions for the sole purpose of killing them for their meat. Of course not! The meat we eat

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: I recently spent almost two years on the coast of California west of Santa Rosa. I had to drive 34 miles to get to Santa Rosa, and another 70 miles if I wanted to go to San Francisco from there. On the coast, most

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: I like meat. That's my reason for eating it. Same reason as any of the animals lower in the food chain kill animals that are lower than they are. Tastes good. Easy source of energy. Look, I like meat, too. That's

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: snip The beef I eat is grass-fed, comes from the Bruce Peninsula, and doesn't even cost that much.  (Farm kid; I know what meat is supposed to be like, so I don't buy any from supermarkets.) snip Excellent. If one chooses to

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Graydon
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:28:16AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit: We're omnivores. We don't ~need~ meat to live. We can choose whether to eat meat or not. Can eat meat if you feel like it but don't have to is facultative omnivore, which category covers more or less every

RE: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Bob W
A few years ago author Michael Pollan (The Omnivore's Dilemma) wrote this piece about the life of beef cattle for the New York Times. I believe it may have ended up a chapter in the above book. The article is not for the squeamish:

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Graydon
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:35:25AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: snip So I wouldn't particularly say the twelve to eighteen months is cruel; it does matter a lot how the animal is killed, though, and the conditions of its

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters What about all those bad animals that are not vegetarians themselves? They don't taste so good, so we don't eat them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters That's not exactly letting nature take its course and Nature has a long history of not taking it's course where animal husbandry is concerned. North American food animals wouldn't exist (or at least

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
Frank, I get pissed when the same group of pdml'ers start beating the drums again about what a bad lot we are over here in N. America. I'm tired of the I'm right / We're superior attitude that comes along with the posts. You're not doing it, but I get it from others. As to proof of Graydon's

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: Why is that not letting nature take it's course? We're part of nature. We've decided to draw a line between things natural and artificial. I think we ~should~ act as if we're an integral part of the ecosystem, but we don't.

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Tom C
. I just buy my meat th the grocery store... call me lazy. Tom On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:47 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters What about all those bad animals that are not vegetarians themselves? They don't

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Frank, I get pissed when the same group of pdml'ers start beating the drums again about what a bad lot we are over here in N. America.  I'm tired of the I'm right / We're superior attitude that comes along with the

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
Frank, Who is the arbiter of what 'ethical' is? Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: Why is that not letting nature take it's course? We're part of nature.

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Frank, Who is the arbiter of what 'ethical' is? I just said that I wasn't going to participate in this thread any longer, but if you direct a question to me... ;-) Okay, I'm that arbiter. You are. We all are. One

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: A good friend of mine is a vegan, and she works in a restaurant.  She has one pair of leather shoes to wear to work because she says everything else she's tried just didn't hold up.  She also eats honey, which

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/12/09, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: I get pissed when the same group of pdml'ers start beating the drums again about what a bad lot we are over here in N. America. Totally bad ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche --

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/12/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: At least bee's are not raised in small cages. Oh, great! Time to roll out my favourite bee joke :-) * ** Two beekeepers are chatting. One says to the

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Ken Waller
Lazy ! ;-} Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters I'm not a hunter but I have friends that are. They had a Meat Party and each brought something they had downed. The best thing

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Bertil Holmberg
Crocs are very durable and comfortable. They have some discreet models that might be acceptable even in a posh place. Use them myself daily, both at home and at the hospital where I work. Bertil A good friend of mine is a vegan, and she works in a restaurant. ?She has one pair of leather

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: A good friend of mine is a vegan, and she works in a restaurant

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Bertil Holmberg wrote: Crocs are very durable and comfortable. They have some discreet models that might be acceptable even in a posh place. Crocs are good to eat as well. I've had fried crocodile at a restaurant in Detroit called Fishbones. Dipped in a nice

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:34 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Crocs are good to eat as well. snip I'm sure they'd feel the same way about you. ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 19, 2009, at 07:28 , frank theriault wrote: Our teeth have evolved to both tear at meat or chew a cud of celery stalk. Make good use of them. See, now again, this rather agitates me. Sounds very much like you're advocating that I eat meat. You didn't say I make good use of them. I

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: What I was saying was whatever your diet, you can make good use of your teeth. Excellent advice. Should have used and between meat xxx chew Right. I see now. I utilize all my teeth. Both celery strings and beef

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 19, 2009, at 07:35 , frank theriault wrote: All factory-farmed beef cattle being killed at that age is cruel. They never get the chance to live longer. We've artificially, for our own purposes, determined that they all die based on economic principles. That's not exactly letting nature

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: Substitute asparagus, broccoli, peas, corn and many other types of produce for the words beef cattle. Why isn't it the same thing? If you can't tell the difference between vegetables and cattle then little will be

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 19, 2009, at 13:31 , Bertil Holmberg wrote: Crocs are very durable and comfortable. They have some discreet models that might be acceptable even in a posh place. Use them myself daily, both at home and at the hospital where I work. Is this an attempt to swing the topic of

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
On Dec 19, 2009, at 5:25 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: Substitute asparagus, broccoli, peas, corn and many other types of produce for the words beef cattle. Why isn't it the same thing? If you can't tell the

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:29 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm not sure that it's true, but I've heard that celery has a higher IQ and more awareness than a chicken;-). I'm sure that's true once the chicken becomes a McNugget. ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 19, 2009, at 14:25 , frank theriault wrote: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: Substitute asparagus, broccoli, peas, corn and many other types of produce for the words beef cattle. Why isn't it the same thing? If you can't tell the

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: My point was that the natural lives of all of these items are truncated at some point for consumption by some life form, especially us! We do not wait for the apple to fall from the tree to eat it. The apples job is to

RE: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Bob W
tree to eat it. The apples job is to fall on it's own, rot and enrich the soil where it fell so it's seeds can produce a replacement tree for the one from which it came. It isn't. It has a thalamus to entice animals to eat it so that they distribute the seeds when they crap. Bob -- PDML

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters Quite frankly, you're being absurd. I'm not sure that it's true, but I've heard that celery has a higher IQ and more awareness than a chicken;-). So somewhat above the average PDML member then. William

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
On Dec 19, 2009, at 8:22 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters Quite frankly, you're being absurd. I'm not sure that it's true, but I've heard that celery has a higher IQ and more awareness than a chicken

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 19, 2009, at 17:36 , paul stenquist wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 8:22 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters Quite frankly, you're being absurd. I'm not sure that it's true, but I've heard that celery has

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 19, 2009, at 15:31 , Bob W wrote: tree to eat it. The apples job is to fall on it's own, rot and enrich the soil where it fell so it's seeds can produce a replacement tree for the one from which it came. It isn't. It has a thalamus to entice animals to eat it so that they distribute

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/19/2009 2:52:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, knarftheria...@gmail.com writes: I take the position that I won't harm sentient beings. That's my cut off. Don't ask me to explain, justify or rationalize it. That's my position. Now you (collectively) can start with your

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread David Mann
On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:21 PM, frank theriault wrote: I'm not going to argue, but please do some investigation and find out how horribly animals are treated in factory farms (which is where pretty much all of our meat comes from). I watched Food, Inc. recently. If i lived in the US, the first

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Tom C
Damn, your picky. I love celery... and celery seed, and celery salt... even have Celeriac (a relative of celery) that grows 8ft tall every summer, a bit bitter in comparison. Frank wrote: Indeed! I'm not such a big fan of celery... ;-) cheers, frank On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:14 PM, frank

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-19 Thread Tom C
It is... meat is recycled vegetables... Tom On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 07:35 , frank theriault wrote: All factory-farmed beef cattle being killed at that age is cruel. They never get the chance to live longer.  We've

RE: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread mike wilson
Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: you'll still be allowed to wear your cowboy boots and eat meat. As long it's organically reared. How will that affect moob production? They're not a function of diet, they're a function of age. Even Arnie has them. Bob Tell that to

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Seen on a T-Shirt: Plants have feelings too! On 12/16/2009 11:55 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: frank theriault On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a very sensitive person and 1st noticed plant auras some time ago. Recently, plants have begun to

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters Seen on a T-Shirt: Plants have feelings too! I think I'll leaf that alone On 12/16/2009 11:55 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Graydon
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:57:51PM -0600, William Robb scripsit: I like to believe it's true because I happen to like eating a nice steak, and sharing the fatty bits with my pet dog, and anyone who gets in the way of that is the enemy. Alive and food are synonyms. Trying to live in a world

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Graydon
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:14:48AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: You realize, don't you, if we all went vegan to save the animals, there would not be enough flora food on the earth to feed us, and we'd go back to

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thank You Graydon! I've always felt that the vegans vegitarians were looking down on us meat eaters. They were lording over us there superiority because they didn't harm animals. I see now from a total system perspective that's a crock of bull shit. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:45

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 18, 2009, at 16:41 , Graydon wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:57:51PM -0600, William Robb scripsit: I like to believe it's true because I happen to like eating a nice steak, and sharing the fatty bits with my pet dog, and anyone who gets in the way of that is the enemy. Alive and

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Sandra Hermann
://samsphotopage.blogspot.com/  --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: From: Graydon o...@uniserve.com Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 6:45 PM On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:14:48AM -0500, frank theriault

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2009-12-18 19:41, Graydon wrote: That's no excuse for treating animals poorly; even from the I fed them because I meant to eat them perspective, they both taste better and are better for you that way. My (limited) experience has been that the closer you live to the animals you eat, the

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Tom C
LOL... I haven't followed this thread up to now... One of my favorite sayings: I didn't make it to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. :-) What about all those bad animals that are not vegetarians themselves? The argument is ridiculous. In the end, we're talking about molecules. I

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread John Sessoms
From: Tom C LOL... I haven't followed this thread up to now... One of my favorite sayings: I didn't make it to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. :-) What about all those bad animals that are not vegetarians themselves? The argument is ridiculous. I don't mind when they're

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-18 Thread Tom C
Reading, somewhat backwards timewise... well said Joe! 'We', our society, slaughters thousands, millions actually. of human lives, in foolish, stupid, greedy wars... a far less noble effort than feeding our families. Bill, check your mail, there may be be some trimmings in an envelope. Tom On

RE: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-17 Thread mike wilson
Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: you'll still be allowed to wear your cowboy boots and eat meat. As long it's organically reared. How will that affect moob production? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-17 Thread Boris Liberman
CC: Contemporary and controversial. :-) On 12/15/2009 4:00 AM, frank theriault wrote: The Hudson's Bay Company is Canada's oldest company, having started as a fur trading company in the late 17th Century. Today it's a chain of stores. It's flagship store here in Toronto is the city's largest

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-17 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/14/2009 11:40:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, supera1...@fastmail.fm writes: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:00 -0500, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The Hudson's Bay Company is Canada's oldest company, having started as a fur trading company in the late 17th

RE: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-17 Thread Bob W
you'll still be allowed to wear your cowboy boots and eat meat. As long it's organically reared. How will that affect moob production? They're not a function of diet, they're a function of age. Even Arnie has them. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:38 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Actually not all are hypocritical sucmbags, some are unknowing dupes... I was talking about the organization as a whole. Of course among the individuals who comprise the group there will be varying degrees of

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread paul stenquist
On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:49 AM, Bob W wrote: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/protesters.html love the leather shoes :-) (duck, cover, flame-retardant suit: ON!) Yes well, activism is only romantic until your personal comfort is compromised. PETA is the biggest bunch

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: You realize, don't you, if we all went vegan to save the animals, there would not be enough flora food on the earth to feed us, and we'd go back to killing animals for food, if they hadn't already all been killed to

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters As my exploitation of flora, I don't eat wild veggies. All are raised on farms. Raising meat is much a much less efficient way of deriving nutrients from land and sun than fruits and vegetables (don't

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Well that's refreshing! What a bunch of scum sucking bottom feeders. 7 pets adopted out of 20-30,000. Wankers for sure! Reards, Bob S. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:43 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread P. J. Alling
David Mann wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:49 PM, frank theriault wrote: If true [...] It's on the internet, it must be true. Dave Actually it's in the newspapers and individuals were fired or reassigned because of it... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread P. J. Alling
Bob W wrote: What species are PETA advocating the extinction of? I looked at their website and didn't see anything about that. Link: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm William Robb As usual it is always useful to look at who is disseminating this kind of

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread P. J. Alling
Bob W wrote: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/protesters.html love the leather shoes :-) (duck, cover, flame-retardant suit: ON!) Yes well, activism is only romantic until your personal comfort is compromised. PETA is the biggest bunch

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters The same lame and predictable jokes every time this subject comes up. Come on, guys, make an effort and think of something new and equally dumb to substitute for careful thought. This discussion

RE: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread Bob W
The same lame and predictable jokes every time this subject comes up. Come on, guys, make an effort and think of something new and equally dumb to substitute for careful thought. Bob This discussion no longer merits careful thought. Evidently. So if you're going to

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread Scott Loveless
On 12/16/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: The same lame and predictable jokes every time this subject comes up. Come on, guys, make an effort and think of something new and equally dumb to substitute for careful thought. Bob This discussion no longer

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread P. J. Alling
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters The same lame and predictable jokes every time this subject comes up. Come on, guys, make an effort and think of something new and equally dumb to substitute for careful thought

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread P. J. Alling
Bob W wrote: The same lame and predictable jokes every time this subject comes up. Come on, guys, make an effort and think of something new and equally dumb to substitute for careful thought. Bob This discussion no longer merits careful thought.

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: frank theriault On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: frank theriault wrote: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/12/protesters.html love the leather shoes :-) (duck, cover, flame-retardant suit: ON!) Maybe they're pleather?

RE: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread Bob W
So, where does wool rate in all this? One could reasonably argue running around without their sweaters doesn't improve a sheep's health. As I understand it the vegan position is that we shouldn't exploit animals at all, so no wool, no honey, no pets etc. In my opinion it's not really

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: paul stenquist On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:27 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters There's a place in the world for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes. Except cat. Correct. The cat goes

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: frank theriault On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:56 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Consider that they are, as a group, both advocating treating animals ethically (whatever that means), but at the same time are advocating the extinction of many, many species of animals. This is

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: William Robb Link: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm I did not know that. If true, that would make PETA hypocritical scumbags, wouldn't it? I think it would, but this is not to imply that I (or you) are calling them hypocritical scumbags, only that it would be our shared

Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: William Robb My goal is to better serve humanity... Run for your lives! IT'S A COOKBOOK! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
I'm a very sensitive person and 1st noticed plant auras some time ago. Recently, plants have begun to talk to me. They are very sad about the murder of their fellow plants. So I'm gonna start a new group to stop the wanton destruction and consumption of plants. Come on folks, we've got to stop

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters So, where does wool rate in all this? One could reasonably argue running around without their sweaters doesn't improve a sheep's health. Wool is from a domesticated animal. They won't survive. William Robb

RE: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread Bob W
I'm a very sensitive person and 1st noticed plant auras some time ago. Recently, plants have begun to talk to me. They are very sad about the murder of their fellow plants. So I'm gonna start a new group to stop the wanton destruction and consumption of plants. Come on folks, we've got to

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters Come on folks, we've got to stop abusing the plants! Carrot juice is murder. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread paul stenquist
Getting a bit nasty now, aren't we? The photo was fine. The jokes were fun and dumb. Let it go. Paul On Dec 16, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Bob W wrote: I'm a very sensitive person and 1st noticed plant auras some time ago. Recently, plants have begun to talk to me. They are very sad about the murder

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a very sensitive person and 1st noticed plant auras some time ago. Recently, plants have begun to talk to me. They are very sad about the murder of their fellow plants. So I'm gonna start a new group to stop the

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: As I understand it the vegan position is that we shouldn't exploit animals at all, so no wool, no honey, no pets etc. I don't buy wool anymore. I continue to wear the wool that I already possessed at the time I chose to go

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
de gustibus non disputandum est Some people's witty reparte are pathetic and childish, others are the tippsy ramblings of the judgemental. Nobody advocates wanton cruelty, but exactly what is that? Who defines what's cruelty for an animal we raise to kill? Who defines that? Who says the

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread Joseph McAllister
Buzz Killer! On Dec 16, 2009, at 17:04 , Bob W wrote: I'm a very sensitive person and 1st noticed plant auras some time ago. Recently, plants have begun to talk to me. They are very sad about the murder of their fellow plants. So I'm gonna start a new group to stop the wanton destruction

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Dec 16, 2009, at 17:56 , frank theriault wrote: By eating them, we actually assist the plants in spreading their seeds and thus propagating the species. Only if they shit in the woods! :-) -- It's not that life is too short, it's that you're dead for so long.. — Anon Joseph

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 17:56 , frank theriault wrote: By eating them, we actually assist the plants in spreading their seeds and thus propagating the species. Only if they shit in the woods!     :-) No, it works if

RE: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bob W I'm really surprised at the way some people have reacted to the picture that Frank posted. A couple of well-meaning people demonstrating against the fur trade. No evidence that they were wearing leather, or members of PETA, or even vegetarians, yet the picture seems to have

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: frank theriault On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a very sensitive person and 1st noticed plant auras some time ago. Recently, plants have begun to talk to me. They are very sad about the murder of their fellow plants. So I'm gonna start a

Re: PESO - Protesters

2009-12-16 Thread Ken Waller
So what's the name of your new group ? PEEP? (People for the ethical eating of plants) Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO - Protesters I'm a very sensitive person and 1st noticed plant auras

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