Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread Cotty
On 6/10/06, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed: Anyone want a brain? One owner, only lightly used... You might get some offers in the Canon forum. :) Or you could join the collective http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/montsnmags/BorgEF.jpg -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ ||

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 06.10.2006, at 08:34 , Cotty wrote: Or you could join the collective http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/montsnmags/BorgEF.jpg Oh no! Did Canon changed you that much Cotty??? ;-) Pozdrowienia Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, John Celio wrote: Because there's no actual gain from making a subframe lens at that length, so no reason to do a DA lens. Could you explain further? I was wondering why the long lenses were D-FA too, and I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Not sure anyone replied

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread Pål Jensen
- Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another part of the rumor is that it might be an F5.6. We will just have to wait and see. I sincerely hope not. Such lenses are rather passè today and much better served by zooms; like 80-400/5.6. A 400/4 is about the

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 6, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Pål Jensen wrote: I sincerely hope not. Such lenses are rather passè today and much better served by zooms; like 80-400/5.6. A 400/4 is about the longest and fastest lens that can be handheld, a real bonus with Pentax SR. In addition it will work well and

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread pnstenquist
I use my 400 on a tripod where practical. But I frequently use it handheld as well. For example when shooting birds in flight. For that both the speed of the f4 lens and the SR of the K10D will give be a big advantage over my current A4009/5.6 on the *istD. Paul -- Original message

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/10/06, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed: Anyone want a brain? One owner, only lightly used... You might get some offers in the Canon forum. :) Or you could join the collective http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/montsnmags/BorgEF.jpg

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread Alan Chan
Another part of the rumor is that it might be an F5.6. We will just have to wait and see. I sincerely hope not. Such lenses are rather passè today and much better served by zooms; like 80-400/5.6. A 400/4 is about the longest and fastest lens that can be handheld, a real bonus with Pentax SR.

RE: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
List Subject: Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF I use my 400 on a tripod where practical. But I frequently use it handheld as well. For example when shooting birds in flight. For that both the speed of the f4 lens and the SR of the K10D will give be a big advantage over my current A4009/5.6 on the *istD

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tim Øsleby Subject: RE: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF Now I understand why they call you Steady. Handholding a 4009mm is quite an achievement. I bet it's a mirror lens. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 01:12:57PM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tim ?sleby Subject: RE: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF Now I understand why they call you Steady. Handholding a 4009mm is quite an achievement. I bet it's a mirror lens. Would

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-06 Thread Kenneth Waller
Now I understand why they call you Steady. Handholding a 4009mm is quite an achievement. No. Getting an acceptable image is quite an achievement. ;+} Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF Now I understand why

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Alan Chan
Why D-FA, not DA? Regards, Alan Chan - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, 5 October, 2006 13:11 Subject: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can

Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Pål Jensen
There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can anyone confirm this? This is a dream lens for me Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 05.10.06, at 22:11 , Pål Jensen wrote: There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can anyone confirm this? This is a dream lens for me It is not on the new roadmap. But who knows if they plan to release it after new 200 and 300 mm??? -- Pozdrowienia Sylwek

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Pål Jensen
- Original Message - From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why D-FA, not DA? REPLY: Because it doesn't make much sense to make long telephoto lenses with restricted image circles. A 400/4 will be exactly equally long and have exactly equally large front element in both D FA* form and

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Pål Jensen
Yes, thats what the rumor said. Second half of 2007 after the D FA* 200/2.8 ED IF and the D FA* 300/4 ED IF. - Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is not on the new roadmap. But who knows if they plan to release it after new 200 and 300 mm??? --

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Adam Maas
: Thursday, 5 October, 2006 13:11 Subject: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can anyone confirm this? This is a dream lens for me Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 05.10.06, at 22:23 , Alan Chan wrote: Why D-FA, not DA? Perhaps because planned 200 and 300 are DFA and it seems that making reduced circle long telephoto lenses doesn't make sens. BTW - welcome back Alan - you were absent on PDML for a quite long period :-) -- Cheers, Sylwek --

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread John Celio
Because there's no actual gain from making a subframe lens at that length, so no reason to do a DA lens. Could you explain further? I was wondering why the long lenses were D-FA too, and I'm not sure I understand what you mean. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey,

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Alan Chan
On 05.10.06, at 22:23 , Alan Chan wrote: Why D-FA, not DA? Perhaps because planned 200 and 300 are DFA and it seems that making reduced circle long telephoto lenses doesn't make sens. BTW - welcome back Alan - you were absent on PDML for a quite long period :-) -- Cheers, Sylwek

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Alan Chan
REPLY: Because it doesn't make much sense to make long telephoto lenses with restricted image circles. A 400/4 will be exactly equally long and have exactly equally large front element in both D FA* form and in DA* form. Pål Should it be safe to assume then, 1) FF is still coming, 2) D-FA* 200

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Adam Maas
It's pretty simple, the only difference would be in the mount, as the optical design is driven by the max aperture and required resolution. And since the mount is essentially the same, why not make it full-frame? There's a number of cases where such long lens designs were used for both MF and

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 05.10.06, at 23:02 , Alan Chan wrote: Should it be safe to assume then, 1) FF is still coming, 2) D-FA* 200 300 will have the same optics as FA*? I doubt it. Upcoming 300 according to rumours is planned to be f4.0 not f4.5 like F* and FA* version ;-) -- Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Gonz
But will it be USM and weather sealed I wonder. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can anyone confirm this? This is a dream lens for me Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Jon Myers
Oh, weather sealing would be nice... slap it on my LX and I could railfan in the rain! :p --- Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But will it be USM and weather sealed I wonder. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Doug Franklin
Pål Jensen wrote: There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can anyone confirm this? This is a dream lens for me If they make it, I'll almost certainly buy it. All depends on the price. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
I would guess it will be at least $2000. The A 400/5.6 was $1400 new. Paul On Oct 5, 2006, at 8:06 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: Pål Jensen wrote: There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can anyone confirm this? This is a dream lens for me If they make it, I'll

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread j
You be looking at least $2800.00 At 08:07 PM 10/5/06, you wrote: I would guess it will be at least $2000. The A 400/5.6 was $1400 new. Paul On Oct 5, 2006, at 8:06 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: Pål Jensen wrote: There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can anyone

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Doug Franklin
j wrote: You be looking at least $2800.00 At 08:07 PM 10/5/06, Paul wrote: I would guess it will be at least $2000. The A 400/5.6 was $1400 new. At US$ 2000 I might be able to find a way to afford it. At US$ 2800 it ain't gonna happen unless someone starts paying me to shoot. Maybe if

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Joseph Tainter
There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can anyone confirm this? Another part of the rumor is that it might be an F5.6. We will just have to wait and see. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread David Mann
On Oct 6, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can anyone confirm this? This is a dream lens for me Oh no, I think I'm going to have to sell my organs :( Anyone want a brain? One owner, only lightly used... - Dave

Re: Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF

2006-10-05 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: There are rumors at Dpreview that such a lens is indeed in the works. Can anyone confirm this? This is a dream lens for me Oh no, I think I'm going to have to sell my organs :( Anyone want a brain? One owner,

Re: Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-04 Thread mike wilson
From: Pancho Hasselbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/03 Sun PM 09:09:49 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?) That's an interesting aspect. For example, DA 40 Ltd is known to cover

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread Jostein Øksne
Adam, Paul, There is evidence that flies right in the face of your statements. Take 600mm f/5.6, for example (links below). This is a convenient comparison because it exists in both 645 and K mount A-series. The only dimension being smaller for the 645 is length. I haven't done the maths, but it

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not?USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread Jostein Øksne
] wrote: Huh??? There are three of them scheduled for release early next year. Pål - Original Message - From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motorornot?USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: happen. If you have a *ist-DS and a D you can compare the two and see that the D actually has a mirror box the same size as the MZ/ZX series cameras, while the Ds mirror box is narrower, obviously made for the new APS format sensor. Leftovers. We

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motorornot?USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread David Savage
On 9/3/06, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: We don't know why the holes are only a promise and rumor of some kind of in lens motor. Were they there in the -D/DS/DL? If not, it's reintroduction. They're not on the D. Someone at dpreview

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
I tend to think that Pentax will produce only DA lenses. But I also still feel that the size difference between FDA and DA at longer focal lengths could be minimal. Paul On Sep 3, 2006, at 5:02 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote: Adam, Paul, There is evidence that flies right in the face of your

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/09/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is evidence that flies right in the face of your statements. Take 600mm f/5.6, for example (links below). This is a convenient comparison because it exists in both 645 and K mount A-series. The only dimension being smaller for the 645

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/3/2006 4:29:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tend to think that Pentax will produce only DA lenses. But I also still feel that the size difference between FDA and DA at longer focal lengths could be minimal. Paul === You know, I am not sure of

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread Thibouille
Staying simple: FAJ are FA without aperture ring. DA are FAJ but cover only APS-C sensors (As far as we know) and optimized for digital DFA are FA optimized for Digital Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/3/2006 9:37:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Staying simple: FAJ are FA without aperture ring. DA are FAJ but cover only APS-C sensors (As far as we know) and optimized for digital DFA are FA optimized for Digital Thibault Massart aka Thibouille

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread Thibouille
DFA are usable on ALL pentax film bodies. FAJ are usable but only with body from A generation and beyond and several with limited functionality since their are always in 'A' mode. An FAJ (or a DA BTW) will work on a SuperA/MZ5/MZS/SF but only in TV and P mode. Of course the DA won't cover 35mm

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motorornot?USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread P. J. Alling
I wouldn't know, from all accounts the plugged holes are completely hidden from view on the K100D the only way to discover them is by destructive disassembly of the mirror box. I'm not prepared to do that with a working camera. I can however tell you that the *ist-D mirror box seems to be

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread John Francis
That's one piece of anectdotal evidence. But unless you can show that the optical design of the two lenses is the same it doesn't really offer much to support your position. After all, Pentax managed to come up with (proportionally) larger differences in size and weight between K and M lenses.

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread Pancho Hasselbach
That's an interesting aspect. For example, DA 40 Ltd is known to cover 35mm, probably you remember Unca Mickey (from whom we haven't heard for some time) who uses it on his *ist (without any D). I'm still waiting for information on the true coverage of the different DA lenses, which may be

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-03 Thread K.Takeshita
On 9/03/06 5:09 PM, Pancho Hasselbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's an interesting aspect. For example, DA 40 Ltd is known to cover 35mm, probably you remember Unca Mickey (from whom we haven't heard for some time) who uses it on his *ist (without any D). I'm still waiting for information

SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Pål Jensen
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would also by a 400 with USM if it's offered, and I can afford it. I really hope for a 400/4. It is about the longest and fastest lens that can be hand-held. With the 1,5X multiplication with the DSLR bodies, and perhaps

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread David Savage
My fervent hope is that the FA lenses that have been discontinued in the last 2-3 years, such as the FA80-200mm f2.8 FA200mm f4 macro, are going through a re-design to take advantage of the new (to Pentax) USM technology. I'll be very disappointed, if we don't see DFA versions appear in the next

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 9/2/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope for a 400/4. It is about the longest and fastest lens that can be hand-held. With the 1,5X multiplication with the DSLR bodies, and perhaps an AF 1,4X converter, it would be a killer outfit! 400/4 with SSM would be neat. Can't see

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
Out of 13 lenses projected until 2006, 11 are DA lenses, even the upcoming f/2.8 zooms. Right now I find it hard to believe we will see any more DFA lenses at all. Jostein On 9/2/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My fervent hope is that the FA lenses that have been discontinued in the

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote: My fervent hope is that the FA lenses that have been discontinued in the last 2-3 years, such as the FA80-200mm f2.8 FA200mm f4 macro, are going through a re-design to take advantage of the new (to Pentax) USM technology. The DA*50-135/2.8 is probably the DSLR replacement

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Adam Maas
Jostein Øksne wrote: On 9/2/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope for a 400/4. It is about the longest and fastest lens that can be hand-held. With the 1,5X multiplication with the DSLR bodies, and perhaps an AF 1,4X converter, it would be a killer outfit! 400/4 with SSM

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 02/09/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope for a 400/4. It is about the longest and fastest lens that can be hand-held. With the 1,5X multiplication with the DSLR bodies, and perhaps an AF 1,4X converter, it would be a

SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread K.Takeshita
Adam Maas mykroft at mykroft.com Sat Sep 2 08:49:28 EST 2006 400/4 with SSM would be neat. Can't see any good reason to make it DFA, though. DA will make it smaller, cheaper and just as good. Jostein Actually, the size constraints on a 400 are all in the glass diameter (for a given

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread K.Takeshita
On 9/02/06 10:19 AM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. After certain size (say 200mm or so), there is no reason to make it a DA. Still some hope for FF wishers :-). Actually, I am curious about the size of the coming DFAs. DA's image circle is a bit larger than that required for

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/09/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I am curious about the size of the coming DFAs. DA's image circle is a bit larger than that required for APS-H in order to cover the sensor movement (SR). If DFAs ever take into account the future FF, they have to cover larger image

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread David Savage
At 09:38 PM 2/09/2006, Jostein wrote: On 9/2/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope for a 400/4. It is about the longest and fastest lens that can be hand-held. With the 1,5X multiplication with the DSLR bodies, and perhaps an AF 1,4X converter, it would be a killer

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motoror not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I've been reading this thread without giving it my fullest attention. I've looked through the archives trying to find the beginning and where the possibility of a USM lens setup is planned for the K10D. Can someone provide the reference, or a pointer, to where Pentax or some reliable source

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
Then tell me, guys, Why are the medium format optics so much larger for corresponding focal lengths and max apertures? Jostein On 9/2/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Maas mykroft at mykroft.com Sat Sep 2 08:49:28 EST 2006 400/4 with SSM would be neat. Can't see any good reason

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/09/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then tell me, guys, Why are the medium format optics so much larger for corresponding focal lengths and max apertures? The long lenses aren't, I had a 400/4 for my 67, it didn't taper much as the back end used the external bayonet but the

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Jostein Øksne
Point about front element taken, but the front element is not THE single factor in deciding the weight of a lens. I have five lenses for the 645 system, and all of them are heavier, and bulkier, than their K counterparts. Jostein On 9/2/06, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread graywolf
The telephotos are not. Only when you get into focal lengths that will not cover 6x7 (or whatever), do the lenses get smaller for a smaller formats. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof ---

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread David Savage
On 9/2/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then tell me, guys, Why are the medium format optics so much larger for corresponding focal lengths and max apertures? Because it looks more professional to have a big lens mounted on a big camera. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motoror not?USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Joseph Tainter
Can someone provide the reference, or a pointer, to where Pentax or some reliable source mentions that such lenses will be available? Or is this whole USM thing just more speculation? Shel - Shel, as posters have indicated, the discussion goes back to the late 90s (at least). The

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote: On 9/2/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then tell me, guys, Why are the medium format optics so much larger for corresponding focal lengths and max apertures? Because it looks more professional to have a big lens mounted on a big camera. Har! (Beat me to it...)

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motorornot?USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Ahhh just more speculation. Thanks! However, it would be nice if the K10D supported current AF technology and could be adaptable to newer, USM-type lenses in the future, giving the camera both backwards and forwards lens compatibility. There's a K100D in a store not far from me. I may

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 10:19:57AM -0400, K.Takeshita wrote: Adam Maas mykroft at mykroft.com Sat Sep 2 08:49:28 EST 2006 400/4 with SSM would be neat. Can't see any good reason to make it DFA, though. DA will make it smaller, cheaper and just as good. Jostein Actually, the

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motoror not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread P. J. Alling
This is all speculation, Pentax has made no such promises publicly. If it shows up those who said the aperture simulator was removed to allow for the addition of USM type lenses will feel vindicated. Those who want quieter auto focusing will be happy. Those who don't care about autofocus,

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, Mark Roberts wrote: The 60-250/4.0, the 200/2.8 and 300/4.0 are going to be DFA lenses. No USM then? Otherwise why bother optimise them for FF? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motorornot?USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread P. J. Alling
The unused contacts where the PZ contacts used to be are plugged with resin, just holes actually. I could be that they are never going to be used... Shel Belinkoff wrote: Ahhh just more speculation. Thanks! However, it would be nice if the K10D supported current AF technology and could

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motoror not?USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 10:54:31AM -0600, Joseph Tainter wrote: Can someone provide the reference, or a pointer, to where Pentax or some reliable source mentions that such lenses will be available? Or is this whole USM thing just more speculation? Shel - Shel, as posters have

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread P. J. Alling
The F and Fa lenses already report that set aperture to the camera body, if it wishes to read it. They could be used entirely electronically as is the new Panasonic/Leica 4/3 duo. No real complication at all, the extra control costs pennies to implement, and Pentax keeps is promise about

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread David Savage
The significance of DFA lens is that they cover the 35mm frame. Not all the DA's do without vignetting. Dave. On 9/3/06, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought a significant difference between DA and DFA was the presence of an aperture ring. Sure, longer focal lengths are going to

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread John Francis
We'll just have to disagree. You think just the larger image circle is enough to make a lens a DFA lens. I don't share that viewpoint. On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 02:45:38AM +0800, David Savage wrote: The significance of DFA lens is that they cover the 35mm frame. Not all the DA's do without

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread David Savage
It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with you John. I got over the lack of aperture ring very quickly. As a matter of fact, it was never an issue for me as I own only one lens that doesn't have an A setting, and it lives on my LX. But I can appreciate how others feel about it being

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread DagT
No, you may also say that the D-FA lenses differ from DA lanses in that they have aperture rings. If USM lenses do not give AF on older cameras I do not think they will have aperture rings, even if they cover FF. DagT Den 2. sep. 2006 kl. 20.45 skrev David Savage: The significance of

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread David Savage
John already said that, I was pointing out the other significant difference. I should have worded it different. Dave On 9/3/06, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you may also say that the D-FA lenses differ from DA lanses in that they have aperture rings. If USM lenses do not give AF on

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Adam Maas
Shorter optics are bulkier in MF, longer optics are not, and the deciding point is usually around 200-300mm. The size exception is where they neck down to meet the mount (as 35mm mounts are notably smaller). In fact the 35mm version should be slightly longer in most cases (to cover the

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Adam Maas
No, the aperture ring on F and FA lenses is mechanical, not electronic as on the PanaLeica 4/3rds lens(es). -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: The F and Fa lenses already report that set aperture to the camera body, if it wishes to read it. They could be used entirely electronically as is the new

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not?USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Pål Jensen
DA won't make it smaller or cheaper - Original Message - From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not?USM?) On 9/2/06, Pål

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Only the wider lenses are a lot larger. My 300/4 for the 6x7 appears to be abut the same size as the 35mm version. I think the 600s are even closer. Paul On Sep 2, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote: Then tell me, guys, Why are the medium format optics so much larger for corresponding

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not?USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Pål Jensen
Huh??? There are three of them scheduled for release early next year. Pål - Original Message - From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread P. J. Alling
Read the specification. It's available on Boz's K mount page, (http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/). The only cameras that use the F ring use it's mechanical properties, but it reports the set f-stop electronically to the camera body for display purposes. Try an F/FA lens off the A position on say

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motoror not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Cotty
On 2/9/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: I've been reading this thread without giving it my fullest attention. I've looked through the archives trying to find the beginning and where the possibility of a USM lens setup is planned for the K10D. Can someone provide the reference, or

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motoror not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling wrote: This is all speculation, No, it isn't all speculation. Pentax has made no such promises publicly. That's true. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Adam Maas
Perhaps the same way as the Nikon's do with an AF lens and the aperture not at minimum? Relative aperture based on the aperture simulator and a little math from the max aperture info given by the lens to the camera. I'm seriously doubting that there is an electronic encoder added to the

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread P. J. Alling
Like I said read the page. It tells all and you'll be closer to the truth, and not nearly so annoying. We're talking about a mechanical system here. You're assuming that the lever in the camera and the mechanical linkage to the aperture mechanism in the lens is more accurate than the marked

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Adam Maas
I read the page in question. It's extremely vague about how information is communicated, just that it is, the obvious answer of a combination of mechanical and electronic communication (Which is known to be implemented on another extremely similar mount) is the one which shaves with Occam's

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motorornot?USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/09/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The unused contacts where the PZ contacts used to be are plugged with resin, just holes actually. I could be that they are never going to be used... If you are designing a new camera from the bottom up you don't add something to take it away

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/09/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also in-body aperture control is distinctly more fine-grained than the aperture control on the lens, from a general use standpoint, given the standard 1/3 stop control from the body and the normal 1 stop control from the lens (Yes, you can set

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motor or not? USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread Adam Maas
Digital Image Studio wrote: On 03/09/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also in-body aperture control is distinctly more fine-grained than the aperture control on the lens, from a general use standpoint, given the standard 1/3 stop control from the body and the normal 1 stop control from

Re: SMC Pentax D FA* 400/4 ED IF USM (WAS: Re: Lens in motorornot?USM?)

2006-09-02 Thread P. J. Alling
That is true, however the fact that something was designed in for future expansion doesn't imply when the future will be, or that it will ever happen. If you have a *ist-DS and a D you can compare the two and see that the D actually has a mirror box the same size as the MZ/ZX series cameras,