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Many many thanks to Airage and especially to you for doing this great
thing for so many years. I hope that whatever replaces it can do as
well.
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Google is simple (like a Mac) and Yahoo is difficult, convoluted and
tedious (like Windows).
I am using the abridged option which is slick, quick and doesn't
keep asking for passwords. Groups has it's place but Google
Yep. But my favorite is still the Lucas challenge to Joe.
Bill Swingle
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Lets not forget
RCSE has been a great asset. I have plenty of forum type memberships. This
was the only push/list serve membership and I liked it. I am going to miss
it a lot!
I have joined the Google Groups http://groups.google.com/group/rcse . I
hope to see you all over there so that the RC Soaring
I used a lot of silkspan and Jap tissue on my Nordics and Wakefield
models. If I was going to recover the thing, I used 320 or 400 sandpaper
and sanded through it down to the wood. That way I didn't remove enough
wood to change things, and it went slow enough as to not mess things up.
I've done
Per Chris, It's been sold.
Bob
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Are these the same people that agree to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/013117.html
Jerry
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Sooo is it Stahl/Strother on the ticket? Or has Gordy not named his
running mate yet?
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I personally just want a box to check for - None of the above, please
start over, none of the former candidates need reapply. How many votes
do you think that would get?
Sorry Gordy, but you wouldn't vote for me, either... :D
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I have a Triton charger and was looking for a power supply so I could run it
indoors in the winter (yes, I'll be careful). Saw this power supply
advertised at www.allelectronics.com. Output is 24vdc, 6.5 amp. I know the
Triton
expects to see something like a 12 volt car battery, so can
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 07:54:07PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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|battery, so can I/ how would I go about using this power supply without
|frying the Triton?
If you're worried about futzing around, then I'd just skip
I found a 20A PS off rcuniverse for $60.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=422190
Rob
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NAPA #7244 815 CA 650 CCA
Jim I use the above battery for retrieving my winch line at the end
of the flying session. I have a Tim McCann winch and I find the 12
volt battery a bit daunting when reeling in the line when the day is
done. The 6 volt battery is perfect for this task and I
Hey JD,
Couldn't find the article or service bulletin with your link. Do you
have a title. Maybe a search will bring it up.
Many Thanks,
Bob
Robert P. Andris
12155 Terrence Ave.
Saratoga, CA 95070
USA
(408) 252-5469
AJ,
That is just a fantastic place. I've never thought about flying a
sailplane there, but have taken a tour years ago. I'm sure going to try
to make it. Congratulations to you guys for getting it for the Mid Am.
Bruce
PS Mi Mexico ain't bad either!!!
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There's hope!
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Can you use liquid nitrogen to make smoke?
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Dan, I built my first DLG (an ArtHobby kit) two years ago, trying to
save a few bucks and not knowing how I would like tossing gliders and
flying them. I beat it up pretty badly learning to launch, fly and
catch one of these DLGs. I had some good flights, some lasting 7-8
minutes, which I was
Subject: [RCSE] Re: Smoke systems for gliders You wanna talk about dumb?
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August 31 postmark is the drop-dead date.
tk
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So if Gordy signs up on the 31st will he drop dead? : )
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Hi Steve,
All twenty of the scale guys in the USA who 'might' buy that kind of
TXaren't. The Futa is there, but in the end, the guys realize that
for the two MAYBE four times they are actually going to get to fly that
mega channel scale ship, Y connectors will do the joband because of
Lincoln sez If you want to build gliders yourself, well then things are
still cheap,
but there are so few people who want to do that that kits are hard to
find.
Well, I've been scratch building for a long time. It is so much easier
with CAD and laser cutting now that it's easier in my opinion
Yes, the Turkish group is coming. They are also going to drag that
German guy Philip what's his name who just won Holland Glide David
Hobby from down under is expected to show as well. A real strong
line-up. Where oh where is DP? I didn't see his name on the list?
Ben Wilson, I am
Jack,
I am interested, as well. the 4K has it over anything, even the 3030.
it scares me a little to scab futuba equipment on the the mpx base,
I suppose that electrons are just electrons.
Its a shame that Hi-tech can not see the forest,
I am flying a JR 9303, and am reasonably satisfied with
For those who mastered the Profi 4000, there does not seem to be anything
comparable out there and some of us are so reluctant to change to any of the
other radios (knowing the 4K will be dead soon due to lack of parts and
support from Hitech) that a group has started designing and building a
Congrats Mike! Can we see results anywhere?
-Aaron
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Jim -
I signed up on my same old 72 mHz channel with my timer just like in
the past. I handed Marna my transmitter with the 2.4 gHz module and
teeny little antenna. It was processed just like the good old days,
timer parity was maintained. I went out to fly with a 72 mHz pin on a
2.4 gHz
I have built and flown 2 1/2 Bubble Dancers. I now own 2 AVA's. I
think most people that know me know that I am a pretty good builder.
But, at any price, I cannot match the quality of the AVA (insert RES ARF
of your choice). And for the difference in cost between the two I
concluded that for
Blayne Chastain Wrote:
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Hosemonster Tubing - 50' / Unlimited. Anyone have some laying around
they'd sell me?
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Don's old enough that the 338 wouldn't be too much of a
stretch8^)...
Wish I could be there.
Jack
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HERE, HERE! Ya' got MY vote (FWIW)...
Sheldon
ROC, NY
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Subject: [RCSE] Re: I have a Challenge for JR/Spectrum DSM Radios!
I've got a challenge for JR: How about
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 09:44:58AM -0500, SteveR wrote:
| I've got a challenge for JR: How about offering open programming as
| Multiplex does so you can start from a blank sheet of paper and assign
| all controls, RX port inputs, all servo functions and all mixes to your
| individual
-- The Multiplex programming is way better than the other stuff out
there. Use that as a starting point, or at least as inspiration.
Agreed. I'm a believer.
-- Limiting somebody to 10/20/whatever models is stupid.
Yeah man! My MPX3030 does 99 which is enough. But you're right memory is
Gordy, if you were flying more complex scale sailplanes requiring
upwards of 14 channels, you might better appreciate the flexibility and
ease of programming that open programming offers. It ain't for everyone.
AERF sailplanes have far simplier radio requirements.
I just came back from flying
But at the end of the day, I like my JR 9303 and wouldn't trade it for a
sack full of stylus's.
Yep... what he said...
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For some reason my links were changed in my email.
Here they are again and should be working.
http://www.geniebuild.com/
http://www.geniebuild.com/harleys_genie.html
Thanks you,
Augie
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Gordy,
Futaba may offer a logging device, but it will not be needed with this
system to verify the placement of up to four rxs. With the Futaba Rx antenna
system only one Rx is needed for excellent performance in sailplanes, even
those
with extensive carbon structure.
Dale Nutter
Hi
Long time no see! Are ther any mods that should be done to the AVA ? or any
assembly tricks I should know?
Norm D
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Might want to get two! They
I know you weren't asking me, but I am going to try splitting the spoilers on
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if enough compensation is used the initial pitch up is really annoying. I
didn't learn how to land it well before I busted it, but it sure
Cool! Great news.
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D.O.,
Please don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel :)
I agree.
Happy Landings,
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It's ALIVE!!
Might this portend the return to teh Intarweb of the Lontzinator?
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Congrats on the 8 hr and completing Level V. I got down at 8:01:17.
Can't get the damn thing on the ground soon enough after that, can
you!!!
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I am running Eneloop packs in my Radical F3B models. They came with the
models from Martin Weberschock. My packs have solder tabs, which is
interesting. Perhaps it is a European market vs. US market thing?
At any rate, the battery performs well and I have had no complaints. I
charge them with my
And the winners are???
Joe
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Notice that 10 of the thirty winners are from California.
Odds are that they bought 1/3 of the tickets
Great support from the California guys!
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Patrick,
We all know Gordy loves himself... We just ignore him and let him go on
about himself... 'cause no one else will... Sorry Gordo, I couldn't help
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Consequences... first slope soaring experience ever... Threw my Bantam
off in almost no wind, but it's light enough that I was able to fly for
a while. I never got it more than 100' or so above me but there was just
enough
Hello Schrederman,
Thanks for bringing this to the attention of the group. Any chance Dick
dabbled in RC albeit briefly? I encountered a test pilot by the name of
Dick Johnson at the Thunderbird RC field in Fort Worth in the 70's.
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I need frequencies, contact info, and who you are flying with from the
following pilots:
Don Barker (Team ESL)
Jeff Steifel (Team ESL)
David Klein (Team ?)
Dennis Phelan (Team ?)
Tom Watson (Team ?)
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Did they ever take the hint and move 2-meter from the middle? To each
his own, but I don't fly 2-meter. If the 2-meter devotees are brave and
want to see how much real interest there is, move it to the front of the
competition... so that those not really interested will not have to
compete out of
Thanks for posting the tribute.
Dick started in model gliders and airplanes before he learned to fly
gliders. For a little step back in history, he won the 1937 California
State Hand-Launched Model Glider Championship. The attachment is a
picture of Dick and his mother from that time period.
I'm in Clovis. PM me if you want to fly Sunday at MADS field.
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of coffee!!!
Darwin N. Barrie
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From: Darwin Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, July 27, 2008 11:17 am
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The tests are going through but my post regarding 2 Meter
Good try Gordy, I know that is something your would do! ;-)
I don't care that he took time to post, we all post and some of use do
posts on RCgroups.
There were 9 of us there, Oleg, Phil Paul, Adam, Jeff, Bret, Mike, Bret,
and myself, Yet the only ones recognized were what appears to be the
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:24:01 -0700
From: Darwin Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've attempted 2 posts over the past couple of days and they haven't
posted. What's up?
I've had the same issue. I've posted a few times and
The tests are going through but my post regarding 2 Meter must be
being blocked for some reason. The post is nothing in the scheme of
things. I'm getting pissed.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZOn Jul 27, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Jeff Reid wrote:
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:24:01 -0700
From: Darwin
Gordy: I flew Southbound over Lansing yesterday through very light rain. Glad
you didn't get rained out! Rudy
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Soaring Soaring@airage.com wrote:
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SoaringSat, 19 Jul 2008Volume 1
II think Bob was the man who helped me and showed me around Salt Lake way back
in the summer of 1972 or 73... A really nice man :-) He will be missed :-(
Craig
W.Clemons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember Bob as the one who showed me
how to cut and sheet foam wings. He was a virtual library
It is always interesting to incorporate new ideas into our contests. I see
this has having 3 effects:
1) Pretty much eliminates all the light wood and many bagged wing planes
from the contest. You will need an F3J moldie, a spar based bagged wing or
a carbon capped wood wing to take this all
I think this kind of rule would particularly SUCK.
You would have to employ additional personnel to officiate the contest
(undesirable, unworkable, error prone). And, just think of how well
this would work at big contests!
NO, We DO NOT need more rules for TD. It works just fine as is.
Craig,
I know you have been around long enough by now that you ought to know better
than to try and mess with the old tried and true American TD. How dare you
even consider it. You should be made to read nothing but Gordy Posts over and
over for year. Actually I like your idea but no real
My idea was just for one contest... Hell When I worked in the film
industry and made 2-5 mill a year maybe I would of be interested in an all out
carbon war.. But now I'm lucky to make $24,000 a year after breaking my back...
I have the USA's oldest Sharon and a beat up AvA I was just
Way to Go Johnny Couldn't happen to a better person :-)
Dennis Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got a call from Harry and Johnny
Berlin successfully completed his 8
hour Level V task today along the lake Michigan shoreline with perfect sloap
conditions and has now completed all level
WAY TO GO JOHNNY
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Subject: Soaring V1 #11418
SoaringSun, 13 Jul 2008Volume 1 : Number
11418
In this issue:
Johnny
Way to go Johnny!
Cheers!
Charlie (Astro Hog) Miller
Colorado
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Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:46 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Re: Way to go Johnny :-)
Way to Go Johnny Couldn't happen to a better person
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The weather keeps improving for OVSS 4, the Fred Frederickson Memorial
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Below is the link for the local weather.
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Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.or I couild hae read
the article in context:-)
Like watching grass grow in dry weather? I think not.
No, even more boring than that, its more
I'm having real trouble with this thread... Somehow, Gordy, and the
phrase - Logic without limits... just don't work for me... I mean,
really... It just don't!
Sorry Gordy... couldn't resist...8^)
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John
SoaringSun, 6 Jul 2008 Volume 1 : Number
11400
In this issue:
WMSS 32nd Annual Summer Dual Soar-in
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Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.or I couild hae read
the article in context:-)
I think your post is a bit of BS and selfish too.
Any accident that will most likely be subject to some form of litigation is
never talked about in public. Also, safety practices
thereby taking action to
avoid the possibility of another serious accident? No, it would seem
sweeping it under the carpet is NCSS's current policy.
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Subject: [RCSE] Re: Gordy- Logic without limits.or I couild hae read
the article in context:-)
-why are the people who have no interest or participation in
e-soaring events on any level-
Doesn't take a lot of thinking here
-why are the people who have no interest or participation in
e-soaring events on any level-
Doesn't take a lot of thinking here. We are alotted just so many
minutes of time to do our hobby each month. We chose to spend them
doing the kind of flying we like...there just isn't time or money to
One plane would be supercircuits.com or tower hobbies and most of the other
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I'm flying 2 Aspires (brought 3 of them) and a Shadow Lite for dead air. I'll
fly them at the Masters and next years team selection. I really like the
planes. The Aspire will likely be available in the near future (no promise) and
the Shadow is a real sleeper (a lot of plane for the buck). I've
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Please ping me off line. Computer malfunction, lost ship to address.
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Okay guys, the article is about some day when we are too weak and old to
hump winches...fields are gone so no room to string a turn
around...those of us who will still want to fly TD contests will have to
launch our sailplanes some howthe last thing we will ever want to
know about is what
Gordysoar Wrote:
Here's a test to let him prove his point... have any one of his
newbies run the motor up to about winch or high start height (400') then
make a 5min thermal flightno turning the motor on..-you know- when
he gets kind of low, -you know- for 'safety's' sake
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote:
Altitude limiting device is a Z-log, I believe, and with that 500 ft is
500 ft. or whatever height has been selected and your time starts when
the motor is shut off by the device. You timer is still using a visual
connection to start the stopwatch just as it is with
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote:
In a message dated 6/27/2008 7:05:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Gordy a lot of people fly electric sailplane events internationally
and
are really growing the events in different formats. I would not even
consider explaining
).
I think that powered launch TD is a very, very valid idea!
Keith
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TJB Wrote:
So you can fly around as long as you can and look for thermals, but the
motor goes off at 500 ft. Not very competitive.
Actually, no.
At least some of the formats which are being tested in Europe start
with a signal for a _short_ launch window followed by a countdown
Hi Dan is it still available
David
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Gordy,
Any concern about the wing attachmet points?
Also, did you replace the wing rods with carbon because you saw a
problem or just something you did because you had them.
Ed
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I flew my Cularis today off my winch. Good air day.
Like a good little
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Please ping me off line. Computer
After 4 rounds Junior Pilot AJ McGowan is perfect with four 1000 point rounds
:-)
I hear talk about a crazy Beaver Hat intimidating the other pilots :-)))
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Apparently the conditions are crazy! Cody took a zero by not making it back
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dr dave
mako is new in box. i sent an offline email
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Subject: [RCSE] RE: US F3J Team Report
Checkout these websites for info:
f3jturkey.com, soarist.com and f3x.no
This W/C is the most impressive contest I've ever seen. The Turkish club
, 2008 10:07 PM
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*Subject:* [RCSE] RE: US F3J Team Report
Checkout these websites for info:
f3jturkey.com, soarist.com and f3x.no
This W/C is the most impressive contest I've ever seen. The Turkish
club spared no expense to make their mark: tents that are more like
semi
Just read the article. To some extent, I find myself agreeing (did I
write that? pass the Risperdal!). However, just because Gordy and I
succumb to tempatation when we have an electric glider* that is getting
low, doesn't mean other people do. If you have the strength of will to
ignore that
Altitude limiting device is a Z-log, I believe, and with that 500 ft is 500 ft.
or whatever height has been selected and your time starts when the motor is
shut off by the device. You timer is still using a visual connection to start
the stopwatch just as it is with winch launching and when
If you all are really interested and bored to death in this lousy weather,
you can go to
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=883683page=8
and read a ton of stuff about electric sailplanes and altitude limiting.
It will probably come in due time and I am trying to help that along,
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