I'll second that, Brian. What you outline could be a nice template for
(similarly-profiled) proposals going forward. I know that's a taller hill to
climb, I do. More of us can both talk about and do such things, so, yeah.
Challenges are good, especially when more mutually suggested, like th
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This is USA-specific in the example I now offer, though notable nonetheless in
this context: there are routes, such as United States Bicycle Routes, which
after they are Approved (by AASHTO), are, in a legal sense, "designated."
However, some states have an aggressive signage program (MUTCD M1
On Apr 29, 2024, at 6:15 PM, Natfoot wrote:
> But if a trail, road, or cycle tract does not have route markers for use then
> no route=* even if designated.
> -natfoot
I'm nodding my head so far at what I see here. I appreciate Natfoot's reminder
about routes: we're not exactly talking abou
And
"should" or "must" (use this infrastructure with this mode-of-travel)
more-or-less = "designated."
Finally,
"can" more-or-less = "yes."
That's a lot of quotes, but I think you get the drift.
> On Apr 29, 2024, at 4:02 PM, s
In my mind "designated" means "for this infrastructure / mode-of-travel pair,
DO use this." Like legislatively or because a sign says so and quotes a local
ordinance or traffic code statute. "We built this, use it." (Say, for your
own safety and/or comfort).
With "yes" you certainly can use
An interesting concept: "emoji-supported!" While I'm not disagreeing, I find
it a novel approach...interestingly new and "not wrong."
The reason for my "support" (to deprecate...hm, wasn't my original intent, but
I'm nodding my head that deprecation might be a good idea) was because I have
al
On Aug 6, 2023, at 1:35 PM, NickKatchur via Tagging
wrote:
> Care to give any reasoning?
The carriers (at least in North America; Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile...) already
publish these data. They are blocky, shitty, maybe slightly hazy or helpful,
but OSM doesn't chase what "they" say (already).
My point, and I think it is "well-absorbed" by the thread and its participants,
is not that we must get all hyper-legal about any or every tag, but rather that
in the case of shop=firearms, this would-be tag is TOO legal and not generic
enough, while shop=guns (or gun, I could go either way but
On Jun 23, 2023, at 2:31 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 at 03:37, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
> but I have never seen a convenience store selling auto supplies,
>
> Do you have stores attached to service stations, selling bread, milk, snacks,
> drinks etc?
> If so, they
On Jun 23, 2023, at 7:12 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:
> English varies by country and sometimes we can't understand each other.
> Changing semantics by regional English is no more reasonable than changing by
> other language word collisions. My point is that a tag defines a semantic
> concept and
On Jun 19, 2023, at 9:35 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> Jun 20, 2023, 01:36 by g...@lexort.com:
> In English, the adjective for the shop tends to be singular, when that
> adjective is a noun. The plural just sounds funny. For example we have
> "car dealer", "grocery store", "grocery s
Postscript: I find Minh's examples (a drive-through liquor store with live
fishing bait, a supermarket with mattresses and tool sheds, a laundromat with
treadmills, a car wash and tanning beds...) to be each and every one of true,
well-researched and delightfully mirthful.
Minh and I are in the same jurisdiction (California) regarding guns, but I
agree with Graeme that we want to be careful with our terminology here. Minh
says "A gun store specializes in firearms and ammo..." whereas I'm pretty sure
most people (who use guns) would say "A gun store specializes in
On May 7, 2023, at 12:56 PM,
wrote:
> What is the best way to make it more easy to discuss?
Hi Robin: I'm one person in North America, about 14 years in OSM. I helped my
university and community in wheelchairs in OSM with a fair bit of wheelchair
mapping / routing guidance.
Awesome, Simon:
Marc_marc, je suis sérieusement impressionné par vos efforts. Merci beaucoup!
Marc_marc, I am seriously impressed with your efforts, many thanks!
> On May 3, 2023, at 1:22 AM, Marc_marc wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Le 02.05.23 à 17:34, ro...@onwheelsapp.com a écrit :
>> We want to add these tags:
_
Specific cases have largely been stated, but I think it does bear repeating
that "semantics come from many different flavors of syntax."
Tags on a datum state (or should) "what is known." Sometimes it or wider data
as a whole yield an answer to your specific question. However, assuming beyond
On Apr 16, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> On 16 Apr 2023, at 23:28, Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
>> wrote:
>> If the operator tag is missing and the owner tag is present, isn't it the
>> general assumption that the owner is also the operator -- i.e. that the
>> owner informat
On Apr 16, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
wrote:
>
> On 16.04.2023 21:40, stevea wrote:
>>> Isn't it a general assumption for everything that the owner is the operator
>>> by default? I'm not saying "isn't it always true", b
I wish to remain restrained in my reply here.
> Isn't it a general assumption for everything that the owner is the operator
> by default? I'm not saying "isn't it always true", but isn't that generally
> the assumption if no other information is presented?
An obviously dangerous slope to slip d
As a quick addition to my previous post, the "park_level" proto-proposal (circa
2009) had its syntax potentially refined to become park:public_level=*, which
is the section immediately below the referenced wiki entry.
All ideas and discussion so far, everyone. But if we've spun similar wheels
On Apr 13, 2023, at 3:11 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 at 20:48, Greg Troxel wrote:
> (admin_level 4/6/8, normally).
>
> Would it work to add the admin_level= to the road to say which level of
> Government owns it?
No, it wouldn't. It would add confusion and ambiguity t
Either with an operator being the same as the rail company/authority or a
different one (contracted out BY the rail company/authority), I can see the
operator=* tag as being a helpful, disambiguating tag, especially when these
differ. But we shouldn't always assume that NO operator=* tag means
On Mar 10, 2023, at 3:04 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> ...they can last for several years.
In the case of Caltrain, they are an essentially-permanent feature of the train
service, as passenger rail shutdowns (anticipated or not) happen "frequently
enough" (not the same as "frequently") that
A most excellent suggestion, hanser, and at first glance, a well-structured OSM
thrust forward for this concept: I am enthusiastic. Please keep up this sort
of good communication!
Just yesterday I left off of our Caltrain wiki [1] the so-called "6-trains" on
its Schedule [2] in preparation fo
On Feb 16, 2023, at 10:50 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:
> Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> writes:
>> In which case the OSM meaning of 'wetland' must change to incorporate dry as
>> well as wet.
>
> We need to adopt the professional definitions, not rewrite them roughly
> and not really correctly. Not su
t and future. Today, it is prudent to be
forward-looking, even if tagging we might craft is only preparatory in nature.
> On Feb 12, 2023, at 1:04 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/2/23 11:13, stevea wrote:
>> On Feb 11, 2023, at 3:53 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick
>&
I'll (blushingly) ask the glass be looked at as half-full.
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On Feb 11, 2023, at 3:53 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 05:10, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
> A wetland is a land area that is saturated with water, either permanently or
> seasonally”
>
> But does "seasonally" include "maybe once every 20 years"?
Climate change (being
I'm making popcorn and watching, mostly. But going with Tod and others, it's
shaping up as interesting.
I've been to many playas and such. Some are wetlands, some are not. Some are
mud and some are year-round-sand or dirt and likely desert or at least
semi-arid (and as far as I know OSM does
There are also perhaps-related endeavors like ODM on mapscaping.com [1], at
least one related video [2], a software repository [3], a cloud-based
imagery-processing app [4], Site Scan for ArcGIS [5] and more, including people
who have created businesses to provide "drone services" like flyovers
I'm not saying a key like drone=* (as a "verb," like "to drone here, whether or
not...?") is or isn't a good fit for OSM. I am wondering if it is a good fit,
I honestly don't know. The number of
fuzzy-hanging-off-into-infinity-of-details-ever-changing-laws-and-rules-regarding-weight-and-one-mi
On Jan 29, 2023, at 5:31 AM, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 12:12:06AM +, Philip Barnes wrote:
>>
>> When I first encountered Canadian four way stops in 1980, I did think these
>> should be mini-roundabouts.
>
> Thats the main point. In Germany we have a solution of "last
Using mm (millimeters) as a unit for this makes no sense. Meters are much
better in my opinion. I understand water tubes and pipe threads might be
well-stated in mm (for "household" and "everyday" use, not hydrology engineers
and sewerage architects), but water tubes and pipe threads are not r
I do know some knitters, they are very exacting: if you need "Size 7 circular
needles," you better find one of these shops, or you must suffer online
ordering / shipping. The supplies (yarn, especially, but really, all of it)
are quite specific: "nothing else will do." And as I've shopped wi
Note to all on this thread: The original poster / Proposal author has
requested that further discussion on this take place on our wiki's Talk page of
his Proposal [1].
With mail-lists, wiki (and their Talk pages), our newer Discourse forum and
more (Mastodon servers and myriad proprietary chan
Yes, sewing and knitting aren't all that related. In California, we have what
are often known as "Vac-and-Sew" shops which sell (not necessarily all of)
vacuum cleaners and their supplies (hoses, attachments, nozzles, refill
bags...), sewing supplies and maybe sewing machines, sometimes fabric,
I have mapped perhaps tens of thousands of miles of bike routes in OSM. Yes,
really. I don't do this sort of "apply the name of the route to the element
track/path." We shouldn't.
Zeke's example is excellent and is a good reason for "route element naming" to
be "case by case" rather than the
I agree with Mateusz here: whether to tag a way after the name of a route
which includes it (if it didn't have a name=* tag beforehand) isn't a "one size
fits all" situation. It's difficult to describe what the right thing to do is
in all cases.
> On Dec 29, 2022, at 11:18 PM, Mateusz Koniecz
On Dec 18, 2022, at 3:06 PM, Jens Glad Balchen wrote:
> I don't know how you would tell the difference, apart from the lack of
> sidewalk=separate on the carriageway.
Right, this can be problematic, both for pedestrians (who might not know "the
law" or "what pedestrian access am I actually allo
t so!
> On Dec 18, 2022, at 2:11 PM, Brian M. Sperlongano
> wrote:
>
> Currently taking bets on how long it will take before someone actually
> answers the question I posed 😂
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 5:03 PM stevea wrote:
> My understanding (in Texas, and other states) in
My understanding (in Texas, and other states) in this case (where there is no
sidewalk and it is not legal to walk "in the roadway") is that in cases like
these, there will always be an "easement" along at least one side of the road,
where utilities (wired poles, perhaps underground piping...) a
On Dec 10, 2022, at 12:04 PM, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 10/12/2022 18:23, Mark Wagner wrote:
>> As actually used on the map, "natural=wood" and "landuse=forest" are
>> synonyms.
>>
> Depends on the map - if there are no other tags https://map.atownsend.org.uk
> will show "landuse=forest" in a li
Martin's "reply to some unilaterally writing on the key:historic page..." and
"intended to say (something extraordinary) on one end and on the other end
(something vague)" sort of "nudge ahead" this dizzying proposal, but not by
much. I'm not complaining at the extra clarification.
But it does
This proposal, its history, its present and its future I find extremely
confusing. It is enough for me to vote it down because it needs to be started
from scratch (the proposal itself, not the voting on what is now too confusing
a proposal). If we are re-voting, I'm not even sure I can find my
On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:47 PM, François Lacombe wrote:
> utility=* key is already widely used and expect one single value, in every
> situation.
While I regret not doing simple wiki research that would have revealed a
collision with my “out loud imagining” clearly-stated to be just that (an
IMAG
On Nov 20, 2022, at 1:22 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Technically energy = power x time, so related things but not the same.
Thank you; that’s the simple answer to clear up any potentially remaining
confusion. Whether it does or not...
> Utilities would not only be energy/power (e
Once again, we bump up against the reality of a worldwide project, with many
different cultures, attempting to squeeze particular meaning into a single tag.
Look at Minh's "around here" clarification (true, I'm near him). And once
again, we find that English can distinctly lack in its ability
It is perfectly OK we use many channels to communicate, as they each have their
specific uses. And our new forum [1] is becoming a vital resource of a
community project like OSM. Emphasis on community.
One person's opinion: in less than a year, our new forum has grown to a place
of light-to-
I truly oversimplify as I say this, re-definitions of tags is problematic. It
results in a long-term destruction of OSM's own data. In short, you believe
your preconceived notions of "knowing better" or "knowing it all" (or something
like that) is better than "what OSM already says." Now, I r
From someone in the USA, I also see "chilled" water fountains / drinking
fountains. Invariably these are indoors, for example in a dentist's office, so
they can be connected to both a drinking water supply (usually "simply" the
municipal supply of potable water, though I've seen filtered versio
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Hi Martin: (Off-list) Thank you; a very public apology isn't always easy, but
when warranted and sincere, it puts you into the light of "a very good person,"
at least in my eyes!
Steve
> On Oct 28, 2022, at 2:24 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 28 Oct 20
On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> On 28 Oct 2022, at 09:58, Davidoskky via Tagging
>> wrote:
>>
>> While I could be interested in whether the flow of a fountain might be
>> stopped or not, I'm not really interested in how I'd have to do that: I can
>> just go to the f
Shawn has it right as I see it, too, so I think he says it for all of us.
Let's all say "there are regionalisms" and leave it at that (for now). Tags
can (and do) express those. It's complicated, not terribly too much.
And we tighten it up across stores (convenience or otherwise) as nodes and
On Oct 10, 2022, at 12:29 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
> On 10.10.2022 17:01, Marc_marc wrote:
>> Le 10.10.22 à 10:54, Tom Pfeifer a écrit :
>>> Sometimes such changes can even have technical reasons
>>
>> this does not change the problem: if you have a banknote that
>> is not accepted by the vending m
On Oct 10, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Davidoskky via Tagging
wrote:
>> Don't think it really needs anything more than you said earlier:
>>
>> amenity=fountain + fountain=decorative / utility / drinking
>>
>> should cover it?
Graeme, no, this isn't enough, as it oversimplifies too much.
> No, this is
(if you really push it, and this might
mean taking it to court).
So, the next time somebody tells you "it's our policy," you can say "well, that
doesn't trump the law" (and you might be able to add something like "nor my
rights, as our constitution enumerates some of
On Oct 9, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
>>
>> I started this thread to confirm/reject listing
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as
>> man_made=water_tap
>> fountain=bubbler
>> drinking_water
Yes, I'm glad to hear this: somebody refusing a 500€ bill / invoice with a
500€ note would simply make me leave the note on the table (counter, hand of
the proprietor, if s/he let me...) and walk away, my obligation to remunerate
fully and legally completed.
At least in the USA, using currency
On Oct 9, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> On 10 Oct 2022, at 00:15, stevea wrote:
>>
>> If this water is potable, it's amenity=drinking_water.
>
> yes, it is potable, and if you look closely you’ll notice that the tube has
> an upper hole,
On Oct 9, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> what about this?
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AFountain_Largo_Samuele_Alatri,_Roma,_Italia_Sep_01,_2020_12-52-56_PM.jpeg
For this one, it doesn't even have a tap (apparently, water simply continuously
flows), so I hesitate to
On Oct 9, 2022, at 2:38 PM, stevea wrote:
> For Fontanella_Bolsena, I say exactly the same things: could go either way.
> If someone tagged this "drinking fountain," I might shake my head "no,"
> (downward flow), but I would be terribly upset, because it IS drin
On Oct 4, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Marc_marc wrote:
> Le 04.10.22 à 14:52, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit :
>> I would prefer even more using a different key for both: maybe
>> flow=gentle_upward_jet
>> flow=downward
>> would be better?
>
> as a not-native, gentle_upward_jet is again a mix severa
On Oct 9, 2022, at 1:53 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples
> (bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps, despite that
> it may be highly
On Oct 9, 2022, at 2:10 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> Oct 9, 2022, 10:53 by stevea...@softworkers.com:
> There is also the more “rogue” (not well-sanctioned, rather “under the
> radar,” maybe looked at by some or many as “disapproved” or “questionable…”)
> method of
, Minh Nguyen wrote:
> Vào lúc 23:50 2022-10-08, stevea đã viết:
>> On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:44 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:36, stevea wrote:
>>>
>>>> Disagree, some are are the same feature .. taps can be drinking
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Creating a new tag for an as-yet-unmapped feature (key) with variants
(differing values): no harder than making a formal Proposal (some effort, not
terribly difficult) and getting a super-majority to Approve. Do-able, “some
effort,” not trivial, but not impossible, either. I’ll say “about rig
Creating a new tag for an as-yet-unmapped feature (key) with variants
(differing values): no harder than making a formal Proposal (some effort, not
terribly difficult) and getting a super-majority to Approve. Do-able, “some
effort,” not trivial, but not impossible, either. I’ll say “about rig
On Oct 9, 2022, at 12:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> sent from a phone
>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 08:43, stevea wrote:
>> Tags must capture these differences, and more.
>
> and ideally they should do it in a way to reduce confusion
Yes, thank you; +1. (I forgot to add
On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:44 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:36, stevea wrote:
>
> > Disagree, some are are the same feature .. taps can be drinking water .. or
> > 'not suitable for drinking' (legal CYA?), 'recommend you boil' (
On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:31 PM, stevea wrote:
> Yes, taps CAN be drinking water, but not necessarily are. For example, a
> hose_bib on a residence's "backyard porch" might be designed to attach a hose
> and water plants with a sprinkler or a hand-valve sprayer, but s
I love reading about all the German flavors here — and I'm not a bit surprised
(as the German language loves to do this, and I love German for this!)
On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/10/22 22:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>> On 8 Oct 2022, at 12:43, Enno
On Oct 7, 2022, at 1:47 AM, Nathan Case wrote:
> If it's not appropriate then we end up in the situation where parent keys
> aren't approved but child keys/values are - which seems a little odd.
This is a remarkably astute observation (thanks, Nathan!) and raises darn good
questions. I agree i
On Oct 7, 2022, at 12:22 AM, Davidoskky via Tagging
wrote:
>> But I am very dubious about deprecation of amenity=drinking_water, even
>> if technically possible.
>>
>> Yes, I agree with Mateusz: I would find deprecation of
>> amenity=drinking_water to be highly problematic. It is a very
>> l
"Viewing from higher altitudes" here, it should be said that "tagging," tagging
improvements, "how we better tag into the future..." all seem to be getting
more difficult as OSM grows. One fundamental that just emerged is "no need for
such a feature since it overlaps with other features and cou
Yes, I agree with Mateusz: I would find deprecation of amenity=drinking_water
to be highly problematic. It is a very long-established tag.
On Oct 6, 2022, at 10:06 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> But I am very dubious about deprecation of amenity=drinking_water, even
> if technical
Yeah, this "lion spitting" non-potable water is what I might describe as a
"decorative fountain fixture," not a "water tap" (no valve or flow control) and
isn't drinkable (not a "drinking fountain," but it IS a "fountain") because the
sign warns the water isn't safe to drink.
With much of Earth
On Oct 4, 2022, at 12:51 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/10/22 08:31, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> Am Mo., 3. Okt. 2022 um 10:07 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
>> I don't think this is a drinking fountain, another mapper does.. what is
>> your opinion?
>>
>> https://
On Oct 3, 2022, at 1:55 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> It seems that entire drinking water scheme is a horrific mess
> and filled with confusing terms, many of them misinterpreted
> by mappers, what makes it even more confusing :)
>
> The mentioned discussion concerns
> https://wik
On Oct 1, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Davidoskky via Tagging
wrote:
>> This is why I said "if it's got a user-friendly valve," like if you press a
>> button (and a stream shoots up to your lips to drink), wiggle a stem so
>> water falls down (on your hands to wash), step on a lever (and the flow
>> begi
collection (which would be a
public use).
Sometimes we need to type these things out loud to "riff through the
possibilities." Hey, they don't call these "talk lists" (well, mail-lists,
too) for nothing.
> On Oct 1, 2022, at 3:25 AM, stevea wrote:
>
> Makes
Makes sense to me, too, Greg. I don't know if it helps or hinders wider
understanding, but I understand what Greg is saying here, and while his
perspective is "Eastern USA" (and mine is "Western USA"), these don't seem far
apart or even different at all, and there may likely be a further possib
On Oct 1, 2022, at 12:54 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/10/22 08:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> I should have said that if you need to manipulate something to make the
>> water come out, then it's a tap!
>
> 'taps' also come with other things for example showers. It you map a s
Some of this I know, some of this we (maybe now) know better because of your
sharpening of focus. Thanks, Martin! That's a nice, rich list of six separate
tags that mean six separate things. Related, many can agree, sometimes
sensibly combined, though often not.
> On Sep 30, 2022, at 6:03 PM
Maybe it's west coast / east coast, but I hear "drinking fountain," and maybe
I'm hearing more-often in Rhode Island "water fountain." That latter, to my
California ear, is a broad category that does include "bubblers" (to spray up
at your lips and you take a drink right now) but "water fountai
With those, no need to say potable/drinkable, yeah. I do see signs that say
"using recycled water" or "not drinkable, use for radiator only" signs (fewer
of the latter, but I do recall those from decades ago). This might be marked
with a "do not drink" glyph / red circle-with-slash over a huma
As a native speaker (though US English, not "the King's" or RP), a "bubbler"
(what we Yanks call "drinking fountain") is a water tap.
Some of these "aim at our lips," some of them are "better suited in a downward
direction, perhaps for hand-washing, perhaps for drawing into a hydration
bottle..
I'll go this: "A water tap is a human-made construction providing access to
potable water" and leave out "supplied by centralized water distribution
system." That might be "a bucket near the roof of this building." Honestly, I
think it helps to connote "with a handy, accessible, user-friendly
Water "tap" implies at least some (even if crude) control of the flow.
I don't know where the rest of it goes, but if you are "tapping" water (at a
drinking fountain, a sink, as a plumber...), you strongly imply, if not
guarantee, that you allow some control over the flow of it. To call it a wa
This person's opinion: I very much like capacity with amenity=bench,
especially when it is "significantly greater than two or three," though I also
see great merit in saying capacity=1 to emphasize "single-seat only" in some
cases where that might be or is unusual, or even usual!
Y'know, this
On Sep 26, 2022, at 5:14 PM, Georg wrote:
> Dear all,
> stevea wrote Mon Sep 26 2022 01:36:26 GMT+0200
>
>>>> Is tracktype=grade1 surface=compacted a valid combination?
>>>
>>> while the EN wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype
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On Sep 25, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Georg wrote:
> stevea wrote Sun Sep 25 2022 00:43:53 GMT+0200
> > Is tracktype=grade1 surface=compacted a valid combination?
>
> while the EN wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype
> does not explicitly exclude it but "onl
Please allow me to add that what I'll call grade1 which ISN'T truly paved (or
once was), but is essentially surface=compacted, is a distinctly different kind
of road when it is wet, muddy or actively raining (at least for such
tracks/roads around here). These become pretty slick and even "iffy"
On Sep 21, 2022, at 10:23 AM, Adam Franco wrote:
> For anyone who isn't follow all 3 threads, this topic is being discussed in:
>
> * OSM Community: RFC: Highway=Mountaineering
> * OSM Community: RfC: Highway=Scramble
> * [Tagging]: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble
>
> While the thrust
s that OSM's data entry continues
to grow, without them complaining that renderings aren't to their liking.
I'm reluctant to say it: be constructive (ask relevant, judgement-free
questions, offer relevant perspective...), or be gone.
I'd like to see this list extract some value from this discussion (I'm going to
go take a refreshing shower). I hope we can gain some value from the topics
discussed. In my opinion, we should not dwell on the mechanics of what has
happened here, but rather its potential fertility, rather than its actual
futility.
SteveA
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We have a spot on the ocean shore, right at (below, at sea level) the entrance
to a state park, in an urban area: it's known locally as "the toilet bowl" and
it's node/3370641047.
It's tagged hazard=yes (best I could do at the time, I suppose; I tagged it in
2015) and "dangerous area, no swimm
Thank you immensely for doing your (our) homework, Minh!
SteveA
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opportunities (sometimes requiring a permit from state Fish
& Game department, sometimes not). Somebody wants to charge me money for a
permit to fish on private land, I'll pass, thanks. I realize that in some
parts of the world, though, "that's how angling happens."
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