it is time simply to revert them
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Tom Hughes wrote:
On 01/09/09 16:23, Lester Caine wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Which would suggest that the changeset for this needs reversing,
although http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=A816 does
hint at the fact that it has been 'de
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Tom Hughes wrote:
On 01/09/09 09:16, Lester Caine wrote:
2326103 declassifies the A816 from a trunk route to a primary route
which CURRENTLY is probably correct ... except -
I think that it would be useful to designate
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk as a cross reference for the trunk
/144953
Which would suggest that the changeset for this needs reversing,
although http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=A816 does
hint at the fact that it has been 'de-truncked' and that only some green
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Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
Unless something has changed in the last few years them at least
some parts of the A816 are trunk (in the OSM sense of being
primary A roads with green signs).
Indeed:
http
has extra data, or perhaps that some other relation is involved?
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one physically stops short of the actual
intersection anyway.
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' to discuss the macro/micro
mapping differences required, but at the end of the day, the sub tagging
relating to 'pedestrian' details should be consistent. cycleway details should
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this sort of fine detail it has to be done as a separate
object. Breaking up a simply way every time the footpath detail changes, and
then trying to combine that with additional ways where they fall a bit further
way from the road is what needs to be avoided?
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would also benefit from 'elevation' information, in providing additional
information ( the footpath routes have stairs for long distances! ) 'foot=not
recommended' is the best description, and the wheelchair/pram rule certainly
closes many roads to pedestrian routing.
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then a search engine will
provide a link to that page, it will not provide the link directly since there
will probably be no text matching the search?
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David Earl wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
maning sambale wrote:
For example, I search a POI in G and it points me to an OSM node.
The simple answer has to be no.
But the complicated answer is yes: in that I am working on the
namefinder index to make it available through URLs (and a set
David Earl wrote:
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David Earl wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
maning sambale wrote:
For example, I search a POI in G and it points me to an OSM node.
The simple answer has to be no.
But the complicated answer is yes: in that I am working on the
namefinder index to make
just seems totally out of place . ? There is only one
roadway ...
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level of uncertainty :(
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has a
sortable list. All land in the UK is already classified under this scheme and
from what I've seen, something similar is evolving in Europe?
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2009/8/6 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk:
If there are countries where the road classification system identifies
tertiary roads distinctly then fair enough, but most of the residential and
service roads in the UK are probably tertiary rather than unclassified, which
John Smith wrote:
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'Urban' areas should on the whole be covered by
'residential' or 'service' in
between the 4 main vehicle route tags. Although personally
I'd prefer that
motorway service roads were not grouped with 'industrial
4WD vehicles are appearing nowadays, but it's not always clear what they
are actually capable off. So 4WD_Only is not really the correct terminology
and does not clearly identify the problem? IS it ground clearance, deep fords,
mud or poor traction conditions ...
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could well make a case for a 'way' having a 'highway', 'cycleway'
and 'footway' tag if appropriate, so American motorways that have cycle access
would simply add a 'cycleway' tag with separate linking ways if appropriate?
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But the point I was trying to make was more that of 'We get
stopped and told
we have to ask permission' while Goggle stick two fingers
up and just carry on
regardless. It is about time there was a level playing
a picture then it's a
violation of privacy, but if Google do it is a 'public service' - usual sod
the law arrogance :(
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if you want' is just
arrogance that should not be condoned. Just like their copying of books
without actually getting permission from the copyright owner!
Le 30 juil. 09 à 12:04, Lester Caine a écrit :
OJ W wrote:
Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the
traffic
at a problem to make it go away should
not be acceptable :(
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in the place table
would show which areas the relevent source covers?
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we not simply apply that speed without adding another
layer of complexity? A default of the speed of a previous road section
should be all that is needed where a maxspeed is not defined rather
than THEN having to go to check some higher level rule.
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Guenther Meyer wrote:
Am Thursday 21 May 2009 schrieb Lester Caine:
Guenther Meyer wrote:
So while discussing HOW the default speed for roads are calculated is
important, can we not simply apply that speed without adding another
layer of complexity?
I wouldn't do that, because it's a derived
Guenther Meyer wrote:
Am Thursday 21 May 2009 schrieb Lester Caine:
ALL roads have a defined maximum speed limit ... is this just a matter
of 'conversion to english'? The fact that a road does not have a
specific sign is not something that maxspeed is concerned with? At least
in my reading
relating to the
road type, which MAY have a country related element to them as again
listed on the relevent wiki page ( Links were posted earlier )
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that for unmanaged areas. So perhaps we just need to CORRECT the
land use page to include unmanaged woodland in some way?
Having a mixture of 'natural' AND 'landuse' seems to be the basic
problem so none of the proposed fixes is correct! These areas ARE
landuse=wood
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Florian Lohoff wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:31:46AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
It is correct to discuss.
There SHOULD be a landuse tag for every area as far as I am concerned,
and since landuse=forest is for managed wooded areas, it is incorrect to
use that for unmanaged areas. So
tagging
industrial=auto_wrecker would be better?
landuse should be a primary key - so people who do not need the fine
detail can still render properly. In the UK, a 'breakers yard' or 'scrap
yard' would be an amenity - amenity=recycling:cars may be more
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returning
to a nice hierarchic front end for osm, which nowadays is probably just
a different view on the place search?
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Peter Miller wrote:
2009/3/18 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com mailto:r...@cloudmade.com
On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
While the effort being put into links WITH wikipedia are to be
applauded, many of us are no longer contributing to wikipedia
:( But the world Fact
Book should be the only reference needed for that nowadays.
Shaun
On 18 Mar 2009, at 08:53, Lester Caine wrote:
While the effort being put into links WITH wikipedia are to be
applauded, many of us are no longer contributing to wikipedia because of
their propensity to kill
pages I've been tracking
have have any of the censorship crap on them ;) I'd had to drop links to
wikipedia because of their treatment of model railway attractions ...
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Hi,
2009/3/18 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com:
On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
On a number of occasions in the past I have linked to articles only
later to find the 'censors' message at the end of a link :( and I know
we have had this discussion
nature of OSM and creating an international 'feel' to
replace the 'UK project' comments such as we saw recently in the
Canadian press is a must?
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Mike Harris wrote:
Thanks - now I get the difference - my mistake. What we sometimes call an
Aladdin's Cave - but I guess 'household' is a more generally understood
tag (:) ...
Aunt Wainwrights .. perhaps ;)
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of extra tags that
are only used for those mapping excercises?
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not one of them, but why
should snow maps be any different to cycling or 'in-line skating' ;)
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me from even downloading it ;)
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Andy Allan wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The purpose of the service road is to service an industrial area - therefore
it is not simply unclassified. Unclassified is only appropriate - in my
opinion - when the road has no identified other use
where the purpose of the road is known,
but perhaps THAT is what needs to be defined as a tagging guideline?
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Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Sent: 07 November 2008 11:47 AM
To: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] UK Industrial Estate Roads
David Earl wrote:
On 07/11/2008 11:31, Christoph Boehme wrote:
Joshua Scotton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I added some streets recently
if joining another resident of the hotel ( or they have money
burning holes in their pockets ;) ). This is another 'rule' that has been
eroded over time, but is probably one that would be subconsciously used if
looking on a map for somewhere to eat?
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the same for debian/ubuntu?
Do I need to change something for debian/ubuntu howto?
Probably worth adding that to the osm wiki as well.
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problems in
the past which is one reason - as I indicated earlier - most of the approaches
around here now have central divides in place, so form two carriageways even
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roads that is simply not at the 'start' of the
road. At some point, if correct speed indication is to be provided for route
planning, then the position of the actual start point is as important as
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way would not be flagged as
'motorway' but no doubt parallels in other countries are not quite so clear cut?
Perhaps the OSM definition of motorway should include the restriction of a
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: most motorway_links around here a bidirectional, except
the small parts where they enter and exit the motorway.
Then only the small parts that are the actual link should be tagged as
motorway_links ;)
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- if the motorway rules apply to the L2 section as well then it has
to be flagged as a motorway_link :(
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not be
actually at the end of the link - I've seen traffic cops with speed guns on a
couple of roads that merge into the motorway ;)
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a name=xx tag. No
name tag = no name. I doubt that every trackway has a name so why ADD
thousands of noname=yes when simply not providing a name tag does the same
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Am I missing something here, or is the editing interface now CREATING
a new problem? If something does not have a name why would you ADD a
name=xx tag. No name tag = no name. I doubt that every trackway has a
name so why ADD thousands of noname=yes
Elena of Valhalla wrote:
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There was a suggestion for name=__NONAME__ but that is also wrong - what is
needed is a SIMPLE name=__TODO__ where there is an item that we know HAS a
name but we do not know what
and therefore require an additional tag to flag them as really
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page ;)
Could probably even make money from it :)
Train times would also fit well into that approach, as well as other
'timetabled' events?
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Pascal Neis wrote:
hi,
all services of openrouteservice.org
now also available for UK and Ireland.
have fun!
cheers
pascal
http://openrouteservice.org/
What am I not doing?
It keeps telling me that England is outside the area it covers :(
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'politically sensitive' areas need help - that may need reviewing again?
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80n wrote:
The coastline looks ok from here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987lon=-15.521zoom=10layers=0B0FTF
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987lon=-15.521zoom=10layers=0B0FTF
Toggle to mapnik
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OSM references to a list of graves sounds more practical?
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THAT should be level 2 for Europe with countries at level 3.
I don't think that the level structure was eve actually agreed - and now it's
biting back?
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Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
El Viernes, 30 de Mayo de 2008, Lester Caine escribió:
Personally I've been viewing admin_level=0 as the world.
Yeah, say that again when extraterrestrials invade us :-P
we can always have -ve number ;)
admin_level=1 should equal the continents
I'm against
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
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I'm not bothered that these levels are numbers, it is just that the CURRENT
numbers do not allow for ALL of the levels as THIS list suggests.
I still think there is a place for continents
etc for the boundaries, rather than a numeric value.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:boundary
Is basically wrong - UK boundary should be admin_level=2
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and areas is the cause of
an unnecessary problem and that the node data for them should be integral to
each object. However I can see the arguments either way.
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only if approved. This is in essence how the nlpg database
works, each council has it's own local copy, and agreed data is replicated to
the national copy.
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from routes, but also do
not replace the basic elements such as 'railway and footway' that form part of
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. Almost no-one here
would call any kind of waterway a drain. Definitely clarify that on
the Wiki.
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water in them under flood conditions. From what I remember of car chases in
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councils ...
A hint on where you are based would help us identify which councils have
already been covered ;)
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required? But a compact - language agnostic - format would improve performance
in a number of areas?
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to
fix a problem themselves ) to report problems? While a 'This looks OK' sounds
a good idea - it only looks OK for what the user is looking for. But a 'So and
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English as a first language! It often produces unnecessary discussions
EXPLAINING the 'nuances' so many internationally spread lists do tend to clamp
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of C++ applications and now increasingly PHP.
So any extensions I come up with ( such as NLPG data interface ) will be in PHP
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the necessary structure yet to be useful here?
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make senses especially with discussions on including
details like 'platform' and access to those from footpaths on the railway
information. Trams are just less protected railway lines, and a complete map
of their tracks with the correct related platforms and stops makes sense?
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movements. All we
need is a list of 'stops' be they bus,tram,train or boat, and then you have
the route. We could manually create a full timetable from the 'schedule' in a
couple of hours - given the right basic tools ;)
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Ben Laenen wrote:
On Thursday 24 April 2008, Lester Caine wrote:
It is the same problem where the tram way and the road share the same
way, but isn't it more normal to find that there is a way for the
tram track in the same way as the separate carriage ways of a two
carriage way road?
I've
that
Relations should be used, and how a 'bus route' for example could be created
from relationships between the way and possible nodes that relate to it. The
current discussion is addressing small parts of the whole and not providing a
blanket plan to go forward with?
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licence, so coaches are not exempt, and I understand that the luxury 9
seater coaches have now been included where the limit used to be 12 seater.
But James is not sure on that change to the rules.
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perfectly rounded data as shown
perfectly by the very page we are talking about -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_City%2C_Camarines_Sur - but in the absence
of any alternative free source ... )
On 4/9/08, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
I repeat - WHERE are you
Steve Hill wrote:
That's rather unexpected:
http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=-122.084187lat=37.42216z=17
Satellite?
Those buildings are clearly visible.
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Andy Allan wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looking at the growing mess of wiki pages relating to
place/is_in/boundary/relations and the rest I think that I would not be
wasting my time now putting together a 'proposal' for good practice
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
quote who=Lester Caine
Something that has already been discussed is an information box for the
corner of a map with reference data, but without information accessible
quickly from the data how do you populate that box? Cached data on a tile
by tile basis may
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