Hello,
Currently I have an SB3 with a CI Audio VDCSB.
The CI Audio VDCSB supplies 5V DC @ 2.2 Amps.
Can I also use the VDCSB for the Touch?
Can somebody confirm this will work?
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Notec,
Can I helpfully suggest you go get attention from somewhere
better...this is an Internet forum, not real life.
Perhaps, say, from a member of the opposite sex?
What age are you by the way bro?
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Getting mine today to replace an SB3, looking forward to improved
digital out into my Beresford Dac.
Most new bits of kit I've had needed some time from new to bed in
soundwise. Now the Touch has been out for a while, can any experienced
users comment on if this is the case with the Touch?
Ta.
JohnSwenson;538756 Wrote:
I tested it quite a bit and never had a problem with an external server.
The only time I ever had any problem with with the builtin server and
that wasn't very often.
Given the lack of problems that I've had I'm wondering what I'm doing
differently.
The only
I removed about 5 GByte of non-music files from the USB (~220G in a 320G
drive used now). I then did another factory reset because the player had
lost mysqueezebox.com password and there appears to be no way of
entering it except after a factory reset. After doing the welcome
wizard I mounted the
Tonight I tried and tried to get it to stutter or do anything wrong and
nothing worked, it played flawlessly no matter what. 24/96 -8 flac,
over WiFi to the server with spectrum analyzer or VU meters, long name
so text scrolling in the now playing screen. I tried slideshow over
WiFi as well. It
It will work fine as long as you don't plug in a bus powered USB drive.
Its kind of on the edge for a bus powered drive.
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dumb question but you are definitely streaming as flac not wav ?
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My Touch has been running perfectly well for the last two days. The
quick and hasslefree setup with the touch screen is a joy.
The things I like the most over the Duet are:
- touch screen
- native support for HE-AAC (mysqueezebox.com is now sufficient for my
favorite radio stations)
-
RichardLittlewood;538769 Wrote:
However, now everything is working well. I have my 3k file library
all available with albumart and I am logged into mysqueezebox. Lets see
how long it lasts.
3k = 30,000,000 is a lot of music :) Just kidding but 30k is also
a lot of music. I'd
RichardLittlewood;538769 Wrote:
I then did another factory reset because the player had lost
mysqueezebox.com password and there appears to be no way of entering it
except after a factory reset.
Ricard,
I don't believe that Touch loses the password, there is some other
connection
R Johnson;538597 Wrote:
I have now have a Touch,
the CSO Resound recording of the Bruckner 7th Symphony (conducted by
Haitink)
as a 16/44.1 CD and
as a 24/88.2 download from HDtracks.
I guess it's time to learn what difference(s) I can discern.
My understanding is that the Touch
I was surprised no one else has yet commented on the initial sound from
the Touch. Mine was very bright and the bass very undefined (muddled).
A six hours later most of this had disappeared but its taken a week of
playing to sound right. Even with its initial sound it was better
than the SB3 I
firedog;538785 Wrote:
My understanding is that the Touch doesn't have a native setup for 24/88
files, so it will have to resample the file in SBS/sox (or have it done
by SBS/sox on an external server) in order to play it.
If I'm wrong about this, Phil or someone else chime in. If I'm
Interestingly I also have had two B'DACs with my SB3, a 7510 and a
Caiman+ (both current models), neither of them gelled with my system
and the Caiman+ produced distortion on female vocals.
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firedog;538785 Wrote:
My understanding is that the Touch doesn't have a native setup for 24/88
files, so it will have to resample the file in SBS/sox (or have it done
by SBS/sox on an external server) in order to play it.
If I'm wrong about this, Phil or someone else chime in. If I'm
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John, thanks for such a comprehensive reply.
I'll drve the My Apps and last.fm scrobbling elsewhere as they are
minor compared to unlistenable music!
JohnSwenson;538624 Wrote:
Figuring out what is going on with the stuttering is ongoing. Is it
happening with FLAC files?
yes - I'm 95% FLAC
be aware though that sharing uses some load on the Touch, so if you are
stretching it (large library, browsing pictures, etc) and experience
problems, then it may be best to turn off sharing.
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Thanks for the relpies Shevans, that's the first comments I've heard on
the Touch on it's I itial sound.
I had an sb3 before into my modded caiman, very smooth open sound..that
said, the high frequency stuff WAS a bit splashy sometimes before I
upgraded the regulators and output caps..but even at
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Hi Gazjam,
Currently switching between analogue and digital (coaxial), via a QED
Digit/Positron DAC, trying to tell which is best. Analogue more
enjoyable, via the DAC more information!
The analogue outputs are very good, there is always room for
improvement but will I be able to hear it? I'm
krochat;538162 Wrote:
My experience was 2 minutes to rescan a drive with 3400 files, 90
minutes to rescan a drive with 38000 files. It's obviously not linear
with the number of files. While you can play music during the rescan,
the UI is pretty sluggish.
Kim
Ok,
but would you have to do
Currently using a Samsung s2 500gb 2.5 external bus powered off the
touch, with 400gb of flacs, working great at the moment goes to sleep
after 5 mins idle very quiet.
(that's probably jinxed it)
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hiya,
yeah, I hear good things about the analogue outs, especially when
compared to the SB3.
Your real world take on the improvements (will I actually HEAR it??),
ring true with mine, which makes your comments on burn in for the Touch
even more relevent. :)
Another question?
The Touch
The screen need to be 7 in size to be comparable to the SB3. The
viewing angle, when viewing from below is awful and really needs an
adjustable stand. Its too small as a photo viewer but Ok for its
intended purpose as long as you are not too far away.
Only problem is our Toddler has worked out
Gomez;538809 Wrote:
Currently using a Samsung s2 500gb 2.5 external bus powered off the
touch, with 400gb of flacs, working great at the moment goes to sleep
after 5 mins idle very quiet.
(that's probably jinxed it)
That's interesting, and very promising:)
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Have always used a server (of course!) to run my SB3, but with the Touch
on its way I'm curious about the idea of using its own server rather
than having to have the PC on?
Some info:
My server is an old Dell GX260SFF P4 2Ghz with 1B ram running windows
XP.
I use an external WD 1TB USB hardrive
Thanks for that, just wondering...
do you have an old fireguard to put round it? ;)
Its just arrived, so going to set it up..will get back with how I find
it.
Cheers,
Gaz.
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JohnSwenson;538679 Wrote:
Its very simple. The DAC has a voltage out, so no I/V stage is needed.
The output goes to a series resistor after which is a cap to ground
(low pass filter) then a series cap (SMD electrolytic, not sure of the
model) and on to the RCA jack.
The only thing that
I'm running sbs (7.5) on an single core Atom Whs (1,6Ghz, 2GB RAM). And
I also like the idea of using the touch's internal server. At it's
current state, its performance and stability is miles away from the
atom and that stopped me from following that idea very soon.
Besides, I don't want to
I think Gaz has a good point here. Most components need a period of
burning in to achieve their optimum sound. Personally I am not going to
comment on sound quality until I have used mine for a week or so.
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JohnSwenson;538770 Wrote:
The worst average CPU was about 50% which was when using VU meters.
It's weird that things are so different in my environment!! During the
stuttering on my Touch, looks like the CPU is maxed out..
72% /usr/bin/jive
10% jive_alsa -d default -c default -b 200
8%
Are you using the mysql that comes with SBS?
In that case you might be able to gain a little by doing this
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=401530postcount=18
However I do not think that is your problem.
Are there anything unusual in the server or scanner logfiles? errors?
constant
JohnSwenson;538756 Wrote:
Given the lack of problems that I've had I'm wondering what I'm doing
differently.
What firmware version are you running?
I think you mentioned you were a beta customer. Do you know if the
hardware you have is production spec?
Out of curiosity, what 24/96
Gazjam;538820 Wrote:
Have always used a server (of course!) to run my SB3, but with the Touch
on its way I'm curious about the idea of using its own server rather
than having to have the PC on?
Some info:
My server is an old Dell GX260SFF P4 2Ghz with 1B ram running windows
XP.
I use an
I've had mine since the 12th.I can't compare it to the SB3 as I didn't
have one,and indeed this is the first streamer of any kind I've had.I
can say the Touch is better feeding my Audio Note dac than either my
Arcam or Marantz CD94 MK II,so I'd say that's a pretty good
recommendation.I downloaded
The needed burn-in, with modern solid state components, is between the
ears. New stuff can sound different and different (whether better or
not) makes our brain work harder. But we adjust (while components stay
the same!)
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I've had mine since the 12th.I can't compare it to the SB3 as I didn't
have one,and indeed this is the first streamer of any kind I've had.I
can say the Touch is better feeding my Audio Note dac than either my
Arcam or Marantz CD94 MK II,so I'd say that's a pretty good
recommendation.I downloaded
Hi from Scotland UK.
So you like it then?
See, it IS better than a Duet ;)
I got mine earlier today, setup in minutes playing from external
server.
Love everthing about it honestly, sound into my Dac is sublime.
Did a comparison with analogue outs, which while better than my old SB3
ain't a
struts;538826 Wrote:
Interesting, thanks John. Presumably the series cap is there to remove
DC offset, however according to the spec sheet of the AK4420 this
should be less than 60mV. Can you see the value?
It is possible that the caps are there to protect something from
excessive reactive
Wellit's here. :)
seup and running in minutes after upgrading it's software.
What a cracking little bit of kit!
I had concerns (from seeing videos online) about the screen text size
but you know what?
It's spot on. Bright, very clear and sharp. There's several now
playing views and once you
JohnSwenson;538755 Wrote:
Yes is can be bypassed. The operation itself is easy, the hard part is
getting the Touch apart. Actually its easy to get apart, the hard part
is to get it back together so it still works. :-)
Once the exoskeleton is breached its rather fragile.
John S.
notec;538741 Wrote:
you have to ask? cant figure that out on your own, eh?
OK, I'll bite. Can you tell us why?
Though I don't agree with much of what you say, you actually make some
valid points - yes, the duet had other issues than WiFi and yes, the
product is developed by the same team on
Daverz;538666 Wrote:
Yes, but I want the improved transport electronics of the Touch as well.
I could always buy another Touch to use as a controller, but this is
starting to get expensive!
At the current price of the Touch, yes, it would be expensive to buy
one just to use it as a
Hi, thanks for the replies.
I DO own a Touch yeah..I was relaying my experiences with the SB3.
Actually, when I posted the Touch was in transit with the Courier and
I hadn't received it yet.
Been playing my LastFM for the last couple of hours..REALLY I
pressed with the sound quality into my
On my touch i still have SDT working from my earlier installed SB3.
Not as a screensaver, but as an option in the menu.
The icons are small, but it works...
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notec;538730 Wrote:
The only successful org to ever tame the open source arena was/is
Mozilla.org. Logitech sold vaporware with the Duet. It's that simple.
Folks that claim they've never had issues with the duet either:
1) rarely use it
2) have it setup right next to their router
3)
m1abrams;538883 Wrote:
It is possible that the caps are there to protect something from
excessive reactive loads that might be get connected to the output
(i.e. headphones).
But this is decoupling the RCA outs, right? Does the headphone jack
branch before or after this cap? Sure would be
garym;538878 Wrote:
The needed burn-in, with modern solid state components, is between the
ears. New stuff can sound different and different (whether better or
not) makes our brain work harder. But we adjust (while components stay
the same!)
You are dead wrong-components, mainly capacitors,
garym;538532 Wrote:
on one of the missing album art songs, go into itunes, right click on
track, go to properties, album art tab, and you'll likely see your
itunes art there. Right click on the art, then immediately paste into
the same box. Now the artwork is embedded in the tag. You can do
wot he said.
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92% cpu ! maybe you do a clean reinstall of the whole machine, if it's
only used for music. I gets high during start for 10 sec or so
Unless when you are scanning then 90% is the norm, it scans as fast as
it can using the resources available.
Or do you need to transcode, then it could be high.
Gazjam;538820 Wrote:
I noticed it particularly with SS 7.5...the MYSQL was running 92% CPU
on XP, which caused slowdown.
As already mentioned, something has to be wrong if it's continuously
using 92% CPU. If it's only now and then it could be normal, especially
if you are measuring while
server PC now reinstalled with 7.5 rather than 7.4.
You know what?
7.5 seems to run a LOT sweeter than 7.4 did.
Currently scanning my library, mysqld at 14 percent CPU load,
scanner.exe at 73 percent.
More efficient coding maybe? A bugfix?
I DO transcode Flac files on the server rather than on
Quad;538776 Wrote:
There is literally ONE thing read my lips ONE thing that I'm
missing. (I'm not Bill Clinton, you can trust me.) There should be a
more customizable browsing menu in 'SqueezeOS'. The only reason why I
have to run an external server and can't use the embedded one is
erland;536614 Wrote:
Yes, just select the Analog VU Meter style in Custom Clock, activate
the screen saver and go to Custom Clock Helper plugin in SBS and
change the url parameter to point to the png files created by jstraw.
I'm not sure if he has published the png files on his server yet
Does anyone please have any success or tips for getting the
TouchServer/tinySC to stream synchronously to itself and a couple of
other players (specifically Receiver and Radio).
It will sometime work for moderate periods and at other times won't
last a few seconds without rebuffering/stuttering
danull;538959 Wrote:
Afraid to try this until I see somebody confirm those png files are
up...
You can use the Analog VU Meter style without jstraw's images, it
will use the standard Logitech VU Meter graphics by default.
The images hasn't been published as separate files yet on jstraw's
I don't want to up[set anybody (honestly) but:
1) burn-in testing as described in the links posted earlier is about
stress testing (often to destruction) to determine mortality rates etc,
especially in high voltage, high risk components. The sort of components
found in audio gear are rather
The changes I heard were within the first week, most noticeably the
first 6 hours or so.
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struts;538920 Wrote:
But this is decoupling the RCA outs, right? Does the headphone jack
branch before or after this cap? Sure would be interesting to know the
value..
The cap is 10uf.
I did measure the voltage before the cap and it was less than 20mV.
I don't remember where the
tonyptony;538892 Wrote:
Interesting. So how does it sound once done? (I'd be surprised if you
hadn't tried this yet!)
I actually haven't done it yet. I'm trying to keep a completely stock
unit so I can make comparisons and evaluations that will match what
others will be hearing.
When I get
Phil Leigh wrote:
2) The mere fact that (audio) equipment ALWAYS sounds better after
being burned-in really should give you pause for thought. Why would
this be?
Its clearly the mind resolving the standard buyer's remorse.
Nothing more.
4) Human audio memory is rubbish.
+1
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Phil Leigh;538976 Wrote:
I don't want to upset anybody (honestly) but:
1) burn-in testing as described in the links posted earlier is about
stress testing (often to destruction) to determine mortality rates etc,
especially in high voltage, high risk components. The sort of components
to use on my external HD. am using a Mac w/ a Toshiba HD. Looking for
something seemless so when i hook it up to my mac it will reconize the
new music i downloaded or changes i made. Thx
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Phil - some people believe cables burn-in :) Maybe if you apply
upwards of 10kV and several 100s of amps you might see a change to a
cable. So trying to straighten someone out of the thought that burn-in
of a digital device like the Touch is a myth is a long road if they
think their copper
JohnSwenson;538759 Wrote:
Thats why I said to plug it into a laptap rather than a router or switch
on the LAN. Most people are not running a software DHCP server on their
laptop so connecting direct to a laptop will make a connection without
servicing the DHCP request.
John S.
That's what
I'm so far from dead wrong based on science and electronics that I don't
know where to begin. But instead I'll just say, +1 to what Phil
said.
And I also truly believe if it makes one feel better to think that
burn-in has made their components sound better, then more power to you.
After all,
garym;538993 Wrote:
p.s. Received my TOUCH today and will play with it this weekend. I
guess I shouldn't compare it to my Transporter until after the burn-in.
;-)
But do tell us if it sounds great the first 1/2 hr...
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gellie;538928 Wrote:
I already see the artwork when i open the album art tab. Am i suppose to
past it somewhere else?
Yep, you see it. So now right click on the art and select COPY. Then
within the same place (where the art already is), right click and
select PASTE. I know this sounds crazy
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erland;538708 Wrote:
Let me know if you want me to host it in my Google Code project and
I'll add it as soon as I've got the patch file from you.
Can you host it until I can get a handle on hosting it myself? I don't
envision changing this patch very often at this point, and just want to
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Is there a reason you are asking?
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Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server
running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave.
Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists.
http://www.last.fm/user/maggior
JohnSwenson;539000 Wrote:
I'm running the official firmware that everybody else should be using.
What version are you running?
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maggior;539013 Wrote:
Is there a reason you are asking?
I figured it should be version 5, but was wondering if perhaps it had
been updated yet and whether anyone had a later version.
Beta testers last year were asked to exchange their earlier beta
versions of the Touch and were sent devices
JJZolx;538984 Wrote:
Find the hardware version at:
Settings Advanced Diagnostics
My second Beta unit is a 5. Turned the first beta in when return
requested (old/first CPU model) so I don't know what it was.
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erland;538945 Wrote:
What browsing functionality are you missing ?
Logitech will never do something as flexible as Custom Browse but if
you can describe exactly which menus/hierarchies that would be needed
for you to accept the built-in server there might be a way to
accomplish something.
plympton;539006 Wrote:
Can you host it until I can get a handle on hosting it myself? I don't
envision changing this patch very often at this point, and just want to
get it running. It's a good test, too.
It should now be available through Patch Installer, I had to adjust
spaces/tabs to
Quad;539022 Wrote:
Hi Erland
I don't use all the functionalities of CustomBrowse regularly.
But my browsing structure looks like this thanks to your plugin:
-My Music
---Audiophile
-Album
---Classical
-Composer
---Album
---Jazz
--Artist
Album
I've certainly heard changes in things like new coupling caps in my
valve amps,and no I didn't imagine it,because they can sound bass heavy
one day,and very toppy the next while they break in.I can't say I
noticed any change in the Touch though.Sounded great straight out of
the box.Wonder how
pfarrell;538983 Wrote:
Phil Leigh wrote:
2) The mere fact that (audio) equipment ALWAYS sounds better after
being burned-in really should give you pause for thought. Why would
this be?
Its clearly the mind resolving the standard buyer's remorse.
Nothing more.
4) Human audio
erland;539029 Wrote:
It should now be available through Patch Installer, I had to adjust
spaces/tabs to make it possible to apply but besides that it's your
changes. I should probably change the Patch Installer applet so it
applies the patch with the -l flag which ignore differences in white
Phil Leigh;538976 Wrote:
2) The mere fact that (audio) equipment ALWAYS sounds better after
being burned-in
This is the well-known '-practice effect-'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Practice_Effect).
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Daverz;539083 Wrote:
This is the well-known '-practice effect-'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Practice_Effect).
LOL, a David Brin reference! How appropriate on '-Earth-'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_(novel)) Day I've read Earth and
the 1st and 2nd Uplift series of books numerous
I played a bit with my Touch today to modify the NowPlaying screen to
better suit my fat fingers - I made the buttons the same size as the
Home button, and got rid of the Shuffle and Repeat buttons.
Attached is a Zip file with the patch necessary (or just the changed
LUA file), as well as 2
I have about 800GB of lossless WMA files that play great under windows
media player but not with the Touch.
Any ideas or suggestions..
to convert them would be a hell of a job..brr.
running server 7.5.1
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was non-existent, causing launchd to crash / restart constantly. I
discovered this only after
The screensavers take up significant CPU as I understand it, especially
the analog VU meter one. Perhaps the CPU is getting maxed out.
To avoid the issue, perhaps you could try not using the screensaver and
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Welcome to the forum :)
The Touch can not play WMA lossles by itself.
But if you run the server on a Windows machine it should transcode to
flac on the fly.
Do you have flac.exe installed ?
In the web-UI for squeezeboxserver settings advanced file types
If you scroll down a bit to:
Code:
Are the Touch wireless ?
A wireless server is not such a good idea ?
Especially not with such a ligthweigth hardware
Touch wifi can use some cpu especially if it's going to sync (I think)
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generally I leave now playing up - occasionally I hit the main area
rather than 'back' to get to the menus, then I need to cycle through
all options to get back to now playing - thats when I noticed that
despite the stream stuttering/rebuffering - the high load displays
still worked!
Touch is
no, probably because that's usually a function of the preamp or
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Nice. Is the screen dump a Touch mode pic (assuming)? Or is it an IR
mode pic and if not what happens when I use the Touch in IR mode? Does
it get to big and mess up the graphics?
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Gazjam;539118 Wrote:
Just a thought...
We used to believe the earth was flat, science at the time could even
prove it...
The physics behind this tech is well defined and tested. The earth
being flat was not well defined or tested. Course your statement does
support my The SB Touch is
Gazjam wrote:
We used to believe the earth was flat, science at the time could even
prove it...
The ancient Greeks not only knew that the earth was a sphere, they
calculated the diameter and were amazingly accurate.
The story of Columbus is a myth, a lot of like burn in for electronics.
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