Thank you for sharing your experience. I am surprised to see no one
reply your message. For the thread, here's what I have to say. The
original poster shared some frank and sincere experience and feeling.
However, it lacks sorely the technicality of the comparison.
For example, no links
: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]
I want to mentioned that it is not important which API is
used from JAVA to say that your application is a J2EE
application or not. The only two thinks which count are
1) it is written in java (of course) and 2) it is a
distributed application
Hello,
I think will have to make amends for my post where I recommended
to consider steering clear of J2EE. Thus deepening the off-topicness.
Jess Holle said it:
This affects things ranging from surveys of developers asking Which of
the following do you use? (a) J2EE, (b) .NET, ... where
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
| On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay clear of J2EE. I have
| heard it's the Wooly Mammoth framework and I have so far worked happily
| without it. I recommend a look at
On 1/30/06, Endre Stølsvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
| On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay clear of J2EE. I have
| heard it's the Wooly Mammoth framework and I have so
Leon Rosenberg wrote:
On 1/30/06, Endre Stølsvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
| On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay clear of J2EE. I have
| heard it's the Wooly Mammoth
Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]
On 1/30/06, Endre Stølsvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
| On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay clear of J2EE. I
| have heard
On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 07:32 -0600, Jess Holle wrote:
Leon Rosenberg wrote:
On 1/30/06, Endre Stølsvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
| On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want
Tim Lucia wrote:
Hibernate is not J2EE based. It just so happens it provides a EJB-free
solution to a servlet container environment. Hibernate does not require
J2EE.
Nice terminology quandry that the app server marketeers have dug for us.
They've painted a world of J2EE == EJB and J2EE ==
From: Jess Holle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nice terminology quandry that the app server marketeers have
dug for us.
They've painted a world of J2EE == EJB and J2EE == the only (good)
way to do Java in the enterprise and transitively EJB == the only
(good) way to do Java in the
Hi all
I want to mentioned that it is not important which API is used from JAVA to
say that your application is a J2EE application or not. The only two thinks
which count are 1) it is written in java (of course) and 2) it is a
distributed application.
The API itsels like EJB, JNDI, JDBC, Java
From: Hans Sowa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]
I want to mentioned that it is not important which API is
used from JAVA to say that your application is a J2EE
application or not. The only two thinks which count are
1) it is written in java
On 1/30/06, Tim Lucia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hibernate is not J2EE based. It just so happens it provides a EJB-free
solution to a servlet container environment. Hibernate does not require
J2EE.
I think hibernate supports JTA and JDBC? Ok, JDBC isn't J2EE since 3.0
but was before. (Actually
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On 1/30/06, Tim Lucia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hibernate is not J2EE based. It just so happens it provides a
EJB-free solution to a servlet container environment
--- Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 1/30/06, Tim Lucia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hibernate is not J2EE based. It just so happens
it provides a EJB-free
solution to a servlet container environment.
Hibernate does not require
J2EE.
I think hibernate supports JTA and JDBC?
Hi Tony
It's funny about your put words in our mouths... Is there written
somewhere in this thread that Bill Gates is Satan or something like
that ?
What was said, and I think it's true, is that Microsoft (or Sun or
IBM, if that matters) is a company trying to make money, whereas open
source
, 2006 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]
Hi Tony
It's funny about your put words in our mouths... Is there written
somewhere in this thread that Bill Gates is Satan or something like
that ?
What was said, and I think it's true, is that Microsoft (or Sun or
IBM
David Thielen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
My conclusion between the two (now that .NET 2.0 has shipped) is:
Portable - java
Otherwise - .NET. A lot of the .NET advantage comes from the fact that the
entire stack is from Microsoft so it all just works and is easy to use.
Thanks - dave
S'probably
On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay clear of J2EE. I have
heard it's the Wooly Mammoth framework and I have so far worked happily
without it. I recommend a look at Bruce Tate's pamphlet here:
Martin Gainty wrote:
we just inherited some vb code that accomplishes a cryptography algorithm
just to get this to run under windoze took me 4 hours..the lack of VB
doc was the blocking factor
or maybe its probably because Im not a VB guy and never will be
btw that same functionality can be
--- David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A.
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Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay
clear of J2EE. I have
heard it's the Wooly Mammoth framework and I have so
far worked happily
without it. I recommend a look at Bruce Tate's
pamphlet here:
(in general)
and the OOD world (specifically)
Thanks Frank,
M-
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Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:09 PM
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Martin Gainty wrote
than I am! I wouldn't be surprised if VB is
the next COBOL in that regard :)
Frank
Thanks Frank,
M-
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Interesting. Although I don't consider blogs a source of worthwild
information on anything (and yes, that includes my own!), I've always
found a wealth of VB knowledge on the web. Probably not quite as much as
Java, but still.
I would strongly encourage every academic institution to
For a little bit of who really cares and what's it
really matter anyways:
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/haroldcarr/archive/2006/01/introducing_jav.html
;-)
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My conclusion between the two
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For a little bit of who really cares and what's it
really matter anyways:
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/haroldcarr/archive/2006/01/introducing_jav.html
, we still had to write linked lists explicitly.
At least I am not forced to use IIS and SQLServer.
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Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:59 PM
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- Original
to those of you
who think Bill Gates in Satan incarnate.
This is just one person's opinion.
--
Tony LaPaso
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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:10 PM
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Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]
Most of the observations I've seen in this thread are based on
Microsoft's marketing. Something that should be taken with more than
just a grain of salt. Just look at what they did at their own
anti-trust trial here in the US a couple of years
to be a little depressing and
exciting at the same time.
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Tony LaPaso
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: David Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]
Most of the observations I've seen in this thread are based on
Microsoft's marketing. Something that should be taken with more
stack is from Microsoft so it all just works and is easy to use.
Thanks - dave
David Thielen
www.windwardreports.com
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From: David Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:09 PM
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Subject: Re: From Java to C
Regarding the Petshop, there was a great deal of discussion about it on TSS
a few months ago.
In fact, apparently, the petshop on the Java side wasn't designed to be
efficient, just a show case. Which, we agree, is quite a shame.
However, further points where disturbing :
- versions of the
On Fri, January 27, 2006 8:11 am, David Smith said:
I will say I have used their products to develop solutions in the past
and it's ... well ... interesting. The stuff works well when you know
how to use it. Unfortunately I found their docs no where near the
quality of Tomcat or Java which
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
On Fri, January 27, 2006 8:11 am, David Smith said:
I will say I have used their products to develop solutions in the past
and it's ... well ... interesting. The stuff works well when you know
how to use it. Unfortunately I found their docs no where near the
--- Tony LaPaso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Certainly -- $5,000 and it's yours!
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Tony LaPaso
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From: Leon Rosenberg
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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: From Java to C
Hey Tony,
Thanks for sharing your experiences with .NET. I
appreciate your candor and taking the time. One thing
I didn't see you mention in the core support for XML.
Do you know how much of an advantage this is compared
to the the way in which Java works with XML.
BTW, I visited the dotnet
It's kind of nice to see this discussion on this board, because it can
serve as a way for Tomcat developers to think about what features really
help and what features don't. I'm going to avoid M$ bashing cause it's
not productive, but I think it's wise to look at the effect creature
features
Microsoft Web Development Experience is truely more pleasant than that of
Java, and i have known a number of people do the switch based on that, though
they usually like to support it with some additional arguments like u did, but
at the end of the day, the ease of development and that
I've been developing with Microsoft Products for 15 year. At one point I was
an MVP, and I was on the original MVP program steering committee. Here's
what I can tell you about MS product development. A lot of my comments are
going to be about FoxPro, which I used most, but the same issues exist
Certainly -- $5,000 and it's yours!
--
Tony LaPaso
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From: Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]
I've been programming in Java
You're right Tony, this posting is painfully off-topic for this list.
Perhaps along with your new C# programming skills you can get work as an
advertising writer for Microsoft.
But, having said that, I would like to point out that Microsoft dumps a
lot of money into researching and developing
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