Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
unseating >> Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I >> likely won't use the first generation in production. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
#x27;t use the first generation in production. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Josh Luthman" >> To: "WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I believe the source project has no or minimal MPLS support. > > Lack of MPLS is a deal killer for me, but I suspect they'll get it in there. There are some reasons to use Router OS MPLS 1) Main reason is VPLS, either for private network cus

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Fred Goldstein" > To: wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46:44 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Rou

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
t;WISPA General List" Cc: "" Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:02:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic ment

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
: "Fred Goldstein" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: > I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is > certainly no commitment to it from

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
;>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Christian Palecek" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>&g

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
ikely won't use the first generation in production. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
er release. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Christian Palecek" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I'm sur

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
"WISPA General List" Cc: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:11:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't yo

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
being developed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Andrew Jones" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:06:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router The software doe

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
I have had excellent support from UBNT, but maybe I'm special. o.O - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:05:39 PM Subj

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
27;ll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subjec

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 1/8/2013 7:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want > MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their > egotistic mentality. I totally get what you mean about MT. We've got some ROS boxes doing good service,

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Jon Auer
lutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Christian Palecek" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router > > I wouldn't touch one

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Sam Tetherow
>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Steve Barnes >>>> >>>> General Manager >>>> >>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/> >>>>

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
ic yet. > >>>> > >>>> ** ** > >>>> > >>>> UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will > tell. > >>>> > >>>> ** ** > >>>> > >>>> Steve Barnes**

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Keep in mind that it's Vyatta's routing implementation, not UBNT's. I'd check on their roadmap for MPLS. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want > MPLS they will add it. You can't say the

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic mentality. Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein wrote: > On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, An

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Sam Tetherow
;>>> >>>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/> >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >>>&

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: > I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is > certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on > the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, > freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Christian Palecek
RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/> >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *~NGL~ >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM >>> *To:*

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Andrew Jones
>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's an awfully bold statement. How come? >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>&g

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
>On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? Why? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shoul

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
x27;s an awfully bold statement. How come? >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com [1] >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: &quo

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Andrew Jones
> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com [1] >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Christian Palecek" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, Ja

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Christian Palecek" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [WI

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
;> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Christian Palecek" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:2

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
l. >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Steve Barnes >>> >>> General Manager >>> >>> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/> >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mail

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Josh Luthman
gt; From: "Christian Palecek" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router > > I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone &

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread ~NGL~
Why? Do you have one in service? NGL -- From: "Christian Palecek" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 2:30 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router > I wouldn't touch one with a ten

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Christian Palecek" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiqui

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Christian Palecek
t; Steve Barnes >> >> General Manager >> >> PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/> >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >> Behalf Of *~NGL~ >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 20

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Jon Auer
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On > Behalf Of *~NGL~ > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router > > ** ** > > Anyone have any experience with this router? >

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

2013-01-08 Thread Steve Barnes
.@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL [cid:image001.gif@01CDEDA8.13FB3010] If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-21 Thread Scott Reed
x27;re usually inflexible, > have variable reliability and cost too much. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" > To: wireless@wispa.org > Sent: S

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-21 Thread Mike Hammett
. They're usually inflexible, have variable reliability and cost too much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Faisal Imtiaz" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 1:51:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-21 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
gt; > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Butch Evans" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:11:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as rout

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-21 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 10/21/2012 9:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > There is no method known to me in the WISP industry to do what I have > described, the abili

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-21 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 09:25 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > Other than custom solutions that cost thousands of dollars, > there's no way of doing what I want. With this one statement, you have summarized the problem. I will drop this thread because it has become clear that the problem is not really

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-21 Thread Mike Hammett
m: "Butch Evans" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:11:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 16:49 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > No. > > The cable modem (radio) does the authentication (therefore rate limitin

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-21 Thread Mike Hammett
*smh* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:20:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:50

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-21 Thread Mike Hammett
t; cable does it. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message ----- > From: "LTI - Dennis Burgess" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:48:58 PM >

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:50 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > What we're (well, I am anyway) saying is that the way > the WISP industry does it... is sub-optimal. The way YOU are doing it may be sub-optimal. It is not an industry wide problem. There are ways to accomplish what you want. > The cus

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 16:49 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > No. > > The cable modem (radio) does the authentication (therefore rate limiting, one > address per house, etc.) while the customer supplied device is the terminus > for the public IP and does the NAT. I install the radio, hand them the ca

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
t. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "LTI - Dennis Burgess" mailto:gmsm...@gmail.com>> > To: "WISPA General Li

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Zach Mann
ration on their behalf. You > know... how cable does it. > > > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "LTI - Dennis Burge

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "LTI - Dennis Burgess" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:48:58 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers >

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Tim Warnock
> Either they have to configure PPPoE or I have to configure NAT. If they use > PPPoE, they don't pass 1500 byte packets (I've asked about raising the MTUs > above 1500 to accommodate, and no one had an answer) and they have to > configure the router. You use DHCP and now either you can't do the >

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
No, I think he wants some piece of equipment that allows the subscriber to plug into the ethernet port on his CPE and it is handed a public IP address via DHCP (that he can control without knowing the MAC of the equipment). One way to come close would be to assign a /30 to each customer and hav

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:40:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:52 -0500, Mike Hammett wr

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Hammett
- From: "Butch Evans" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:38:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:52 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > Except that's sub-optimal. I do it that way, but it's not the best way

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:52 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > It's going to require the radio company to do it first. So, you want to see a mechanism in place where you (or your customer) purchase some random gear, put it on their tower or house and they are online without you doing anything? THAT is

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:52 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > Except that's sub-optimal. I do it that way, but it's not the best way of > doing it. We shouldn't have to manage that. What is it that you feel you have to manage behind the natted CPE? Unless they are a business account, they don't really

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Hammett
It's going to require the radio company to do it first. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:16:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] U

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Hammett
ist" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:58:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers I have all of that now. I NAT the CPE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Simon Westlake &

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Mike Hammett
From: "LTI - Dennis Burgess" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:48:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers don't know why you would let the customer equipment auth. our network all auth is done at the CPE that we control. On Fri, Oct 1

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
> To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:51:50 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers > > While this is your opinion, others have a different

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Josh Luthman
t;>> WISP industry makes it difficult to do so. Currently everything I do is >>> NATed at the CPE, but I'd like to make that optional, not a requirement. >>> Obviously for enterprise\wholesale level connections I do something >>> different, but there's to

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
On 10/19/2012 1:48 PM, LTI - Dennis Burgess wrote: > don't know why you would let the customer equipment auth. our network > all auth is done at the CPE that we control. A lot of people are enabling public IPs at the premise by having the customer router engage in PPPoE with the ISP concentrator

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
--- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net>> > To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread LTI - Dennis Burgess
27;s too many hands involved to do that for residential at this time. > > > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" &g

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
> This is true. If there were only some software company that would come > up with a way to make this easier and add some level of security into > the mix :-) > Perhaps I have said too much ;) -- Simon Westlake Powercode.com (920) 351-1010 __

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 12:55 -0500, Simon Westlake wrote: > I completely agree and I think it is a goal the WISP industry needs to > work towards - the provisioning of CPE is still a nightmare in > comparison to DOCSIS. PPPoE is not a good solution, IMO - it's arguably > better than nothing but y

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Josh Luthman
different, but >> there's too many hands involved to do that for residential at this time. >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> >

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
ns > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net>> > To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:51:50 AM > S

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Josh Luthman
omething different, but > there's too many hands involved to do that for residential at this time. > > > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ----- Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Westlake
aisal Imtiaz" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:51:50 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers > > While this is your opinion, others have a different opinion... > For what is it worth, It would be nice to have Radius attribut

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-19 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/19/2012 12:40 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Maybe I should take this off-list but this would be a better question. What RFC or industry standard features are you referring ? Specific items! :) It's not in RFCs; RFCs are the IETF vehicle, which is really all about TCP/IP. Carrier Ether

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread LTI - Dennis Burgess
inline comments On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > At 10/18/2012 02:52 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > > MPLS does run over a IP backbone, but can use VPLS tunnels to create what > you are doing at layer 2. Not to mention you would get all of the benefit > of Traffic Engineeri

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread LTI - Dennis Burgess
; > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "LTI - Dennis Burgess" > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:52:39 PM >

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
> Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "LTI - Dennis Burgess" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:52:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread Mike Hammett
quot;WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:52:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers MPLS does run over a IP backbone, but can use VPLS tunnels to create what you are doing at layer 2. Not to mention you would get all of the benefit of Traffic Engineering, and i

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/18/2012 02:52 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: MPLS does run over a IP backbone, but can use VPLS tunnels to create what you are doing at layer 2. Not to mention you would get all of the benefit of Traffic Engineering, and internal routing giving you the best of both worlds. Why its sometimes

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread Justin Wilson
ge the IP in billing, they reboot, PPPoE assigns the public. All they have to do is statically set their router/PC ip to the IP which is in the DMZ. This works for 98% of customers. Justin From: Arthur Stephens Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:46 PM To: Subjec

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread LTI - Dennis Burgess
MPLS does run over a IP backbone, but can use VPLS tunnels to create what you are doing at layer 2. Not to mention you would get all of the benefit of Traffic Engineering, and internal routing giving you the best of both worlds. Why its sometimes called Layer 2.5, as it creates tunnels inside you

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/17/2012 02:26 AM, Jeremy L. Gaddis wrote: >* Fred Goldstein wrote: > > At 10/12/2012 10:23 AM, Tim Densmore wrote: > > There's a real market gap not quite being filled by our usual WISP > > vendors MT and UBNT. MT has a new CPE router with SFP support. This > > would be great for a regiona

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-16 Thread Jeremy L. Gaddis
* Fred Goldstein wrote: > At 10/12/2012 10:23 AM, Tim Densmore wrote: > There's a real market gap not quite being filled by our usual WISP > vendors MT and UBNT. MT has a new CPE router with SFP support. This > would be great for a regional CE fiber network. Let's say you have a > building (

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 23:16 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > Of course they fit the networks they're capable of, because > they're capable of so little. ;-) I'm honestly working to > remove all the RB250s from my house's network as they've > become too annoying. I'll have to home-run some more cable

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Mike Hammett
ome too annoying. I'll have to home-run some more cable, but so is life. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:44:24 PM Subjec

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Jon Auer
You can do tag swapping and other fancy VLAN tricks in AirOS by creating VLAN subints and mapping them to each other using bridge interfaces. The Linux bridge interface behaves more like a switch than a "bridge" in that you can control mac aging, learning, etc so it doesn't blindly forward traffic.

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 17:33 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote: > I do get your point, that RouterOS was optimized for routing; there's > just nothing else that fits its price points and form factors > (especially outdoor Routerboards), so even if it's a little > inefficient, it may still be cost-effec

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
Butch, thanks for that information! I've marked that message priority "high" so I don't lose it in my mailing list archive. I do get your point, that RouterOS was optimized for routing; there's just nothing else that fits its price points and form factors (especially outdoor Routerboards), so

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 12:30 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote: > I've enjoyed it. I still hope somebody at some point figures out > just how close you can get to an MEF-type switch using RouterOS or > AirOS. Or EdgeOS, Real Soon Now. (They're all Linux under the skin, > after all.) It can be done

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Tim Densmore
Hi Gino, Pardon my ignorance, but what's Mk? TD On 10/13/2012 09:33 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > It can be done with Mk and Canopy, both support qinq ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 09:02 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > Cisco, Dell and Extreme Networks (my current favorite) have > almost unlimited power and granular control. They don't have > some of the features of RouterOS, but teaming one of them with > something running RouterOS is just as effective as

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
ssage- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:28 PM >To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers > >I do...it used to say

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Gino Villarini
, 2012 12:28 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers I do...it used to say his Motorola Startac... Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > ...now for a little bit of a distraction... > >>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/13/2012 11:27 AM, Tim Densmore wrote: >Hi Fred, > >I think a lot of the confusion here comes from the fact that you're >using generic terms like "switching" and "VLAN" to describe complex >Metro-E/Carrier-E scenarios. Standard VLANs break up broadcast domains, >but they don't create virtual

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
I do...it used to say his Motorola Startac... Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > ...now for a little bit of a distraction... > Sent from a Apple Newton > > Every time I see the above tag line on Gino's email... I cannot help but > crack a sm

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
...now for a little bit of a distraction... >>>Sent from a Apple Newton Every time I see the above tag line on Gino's email... I cannot help but crack a smile... now how many folks know what an Apple Newton was ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 3

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Rubens Kuhl
> With RouterOS based switching chips you gain some additional power, but you > lose per-interface information and control when you enable the switching and > you still have to use bridging to do anything beyond whatever ports happen to > be on the switch chip. Therefore, to use any of the Route

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Gino Villarini
It can be done with Mk and Canopy, both support qinq Sent from a Apple Newton On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:29 AM, "Tim Densmore" wrote: > Hi Fred, > > I think a lot of the confusion here comes from the fact that you're > using generic terms like "switching" and "VLAN" to describe complex > Metro

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Tim Densmore
Hi Fred, I think a lot of the confusion here comes from the fact that you're using generic terms like "switching" and "VLAN" to describe complex Metro-E/Carrier-E scenarios. Standard VLANs break up broadcast domains, but they don't create virtual circuits or provide total isolation - this is

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Mike Hammett
, where I can drop the tag when it leaves. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:20:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Josh Luthman
> > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:10:51 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Mike Hammett
ation of the Atheros chips they are using. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:10:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios a

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Mike Hammett
day, October 13, 2012 8:46:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers hehe... A switch is a switch is a switch... and then there are switches with additional functionality built in... The question here is what is this 'other functionality' are we talking about ? Faisal Imtiaz

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Josh Luthman
ve as using what Mikrotik supplies. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > - Original Message - > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" > To: wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:54:25 AM >

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-13 Thread Mike Hammett
outerOS is just as effective as using what Mikrotik supplies. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Faisal Imtiaz" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:54:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti R

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