Dear Friends,
Allah'u'Abha.
1- I am looking for the source of Abdu'l-Baha's
explanation/interpretation on the Quranic verse 4: 157, where He
explains that the meaning of that verse is not that Jesus was not
crucified (as the popular Muslim understanding is), but that the
spiritual infuence and
Mina,
At 02:44 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote:
Has the beloved Guardian ever written on the crucifixion and resurrection of
Christ? If yes, where?
1646. The Crucifixion as Recorded in the New Testament is Correct
...Though we cannot imagine exactly what the Manifestations of the remote
past
Susan: If I recall correctly the passage you are alluding
to, I think it is one which has been misused a lot. Wasn't
Abdu'l-Baha talking more about Assembly members all getting
behind a decision that the majority agreed upon rather than so
much the community at large? In other words we are
While I see your point and recognize also, the connection to
an institution decision making process, nonetheless to my mind
the overriding principle is one of Consultation in general
between individuals (say husband wife or family) as well as
Administrative bodies.
Dear Sandra,
I agree. My
But I
don't think the House will legislate all the Ahkam-i-madaniyyih or a
detailed Qanun for various countries.
Dear Firuoz,
Well, we do have national and local Houses of Justice as well.
I m not sure why. Maybe Guardian never read this letter. Maybe this was a
personal opinion of Guardian
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:10:45 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...We do not believe that there was a bodily resurrection after the
Crucifixion of Christ, but that there was a time after His Ascension when His
disciples perceived spiritually His true greatness and realized He
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:46:59 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 08:30 PM 1/17/2005, you wrote:
Yes, I understand that. But that would only be an issue if the Bahai lamp
is the only one with light. If light shone through muiltiple lamps, you can
pick any lamp you
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:46:15 -0800, Patti Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
I might have. Personally, I would have to make a serious study of
Daniel and Revelation before I would feel really confident responding
in a specific way. Offhand my impression is that Biblical prophecies
One way I would look at it is that the story is vivid in order to prove a point. Above and beyond the spiritual - allegorical point that is made, the story of Jesus's rising from the dead and walking around is fiction.
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:10:45 -0600,
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:09:40 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/23/2004 8:11:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(Don't Bahais say that the world will continue to exist indefinitely?)
Dear Gilbert[o],
I'm going through some old
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:12:27 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/21/2004 9:34:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All I mean when *I* say
corruption is that the first five books of the Bible are not identical
to the Torah given to Moses.
Consider the past. How many, both high and low, have, at all times, yearningly awaited the advent of the Manifestations of God in the sanctified persons of His chosen Ones.
(Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan, Page: 4)
Does the primary meaning (based on the words used) of the phrase'high and
Yes, this is one of the difficulties I find and that is that one of the
principal publishers of the Ruhi materials is Palabra Publications which is
associated with Paul Lample who is one of the staunchest supporters and
promoters of the Study Circle engine on the ITC. I wonder too if there
are
Susan, it could be argued that our efforts, in general, have been less
effective in urban areasOne cannot be sure that Ruhi, itself, is less
effective than any other approach in urban areas.
Dear James,
Yes, if effectiveness is measured by an increase in human resources or entry
by troops,
Announcement and Call for Presentations
Science, Religion, and Social Transformation
29th Annual Conference of the Association
for Baha'i Studies-North America
11-14 August 2005
Hyatt Regency Cambridge, Cambridge, Mass., USA
The juxtaposition of science and religion has been and continues to be
Both gentlemen support the
process and understand its potentialand both are quite open to other
materials
they have just seen the success that this process can have
and, therefore, encourage what is available and useful.
Dear James,
I have heard Dr. Arbab make remarks to this effect,
The opposite would also be true. Areas where Baha'is are very active in
study circles might experience large-scale growth just because they have
active Baha'is to begin with, not because of Ruhi. I expect to see high
growth, for instance, in the triangle area of North Carolina which is very
It just occurred to this poster that a Freudian Slip was inadvertently made
in a recent post about Paul Lample. The word inciteful was inadvertently
written instead of insightful. This slip, however, has significance to
this poster.
During the period in which this soul had the pleasure
Your response reminds us all that we have to go back to the writings of Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l-Baha, Shoghi Effendi, and the Universal House of Justice for authority, and what we interpret from them forms our personal understanding, which cannot be imposed on anyone except ourselves...
Khazeh
:
Yes, I understand that. But that would only be an issue if the Bahai lamp
is the only one with light. If light shone through muiltiple lamps, you
can pick any lamp you want, even if for silly reasons like it was the lamp
you grew up with, or it was the lamp your in-laws wanted you to use,
In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:28:41 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think it would be more precise to say that Study Circles are about aProcess. Ruhi represents certain materials designed to further that process
I agree. Ruhi is a curriculum. I have done four books so
In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:26:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sure, that's something of how I might make sense of the Biblicalaaccounts myself. But still, I wonder if that was the case, even ifyou are going to say the story is fiction, why would Thomas be writtenthat
In a message dated 1/18/2005 2:31:41 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
G: But then would you say that an old lamp goes dark? Or do they continueto possess the same light?
When a religion comes to this world it has its own life cycle, while the "lamp is lit"so to speak and the
Gilberto,
At 10:54 AM 1/18/2005, you wrote:
So it is pretty clear that the Torah was something given to Moses and passed
on by him. And the Gospel is something given to Jesus.
Actually, I suspect it is much more simple. I don't think that either the terms
Torah (turat) or Gospel (injiil) were
This avoids the fact that Ruhi is not the process. Study Circles are the
process and Ruhi is just ONE system of study.
The quote was: Ruhi is ABOUT process...it was never stated that Ruhi IS
the process. But the point remains, Ruhi encourages a process, which is the
key. Study circles, like
In a message dated 1/18/2005 4:05:57 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Systematically developing human resources is a PROCESS. And I am confident that there are numerous other processes that are being encouragedsome that we may not even be conscious of.
Systematically
Dear James
Faithful devotee of Paul and the Process
You made another Freudian slip here when you say below
** Paul kept a pointed cartoon posted on his office
wall. It remains conscious in my member, over 20 years later**
you meant member or memory?
With love and humility lower than Paul and
James wrote:
Paul is very aware of the tendency for the American community to become
gemicky.he seeks a sustained process. Let's start out by focusing on
one set of materials; after we have mastered that, then we move on.
Gimicky?
Work had been done on the Fundamental Verities program long
To insinuate that Paul would support Ruhi for personal gain is ludicrous.
Dear James,
I don't think Steve ever intended for it to come out that way. In the US
Ruhi materials are pretty cheap, about $5 a course per person. But in New
Zealand, where Steve is from, those same materials are rather
In a message dated 1/18/2005 5:37:32 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Also, I've heard Counsellor insist that tobe a homefront pioneer requires that one be prepared to set up studycircles, and in the absence of an alternative curriculum, that means Ruhi.
The Southern Regiona
In a message dated 1/18/2005 6:26:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberto.But that's just it. I don't think the previous lamps are dimmer thanthe Bahai lamp. I don't think the words of the prophet are lessimportant. I don't think the light is brighter in the Bahai faith.
In a message dated 1/18/2005 6:26:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberto.But that's just it. I don't think the previous lamps are dimmer thanthe Bahai lamp. I don't think the words of the prophet are lessimportant. I don't think the light is brighter in the Bahai faith.
Dear Susan,
I am sure you have read the following, but let's once more have a look at
them:
For example, the question of Universal Peace, about which His Holiness
Bahá'u'lláh says that the Supreme Tribunal must be established: although
the League of Nations has been brought into existence,
Firouz,
I am sorry for your experiences. They do not seem to
be good.
A couple of years ago (2 I think) there was a
counsellor from Russia over in Ireland to attend a
non-Bahai conference. She told us that in her town the
LSA decided to offer the Ruhi book 1 as a personal
development course to
Susan: In fact
I was just thinking
about just how visceral my reaction to Ruhi was;
that I open the book and
almost feel it shouting at me, We don't want you to
think! But my
experience of this material is probably shaped, at
least in part, by the
anti-intellectualism I've seen in the
Dear Firouz,
Yes, time is a big thing. And talk about taking the
words of an ABM or Counsellor for holy... (sigh).
the first time I ever went to summer school, before
becoming Bahai, Adib Taherzadeh was there and he was a
counsellor. Most of us were camping. Every day Adib
woudl walk the
:o)
I must admit i was in a slightly provocative mood when
I made that statement.
The thing is, what I often see people call a fireside
I don't think is a fireside at all. It is an official
talk about what one person thinks the bahai faith is
saying about a certain topic.
But then, I am a
It can be very lonely being a Bahai.
I wish you much strength and love,
Janine van rooij
To be LONELY is almost essential in being a Bahai
Thou seest this Wronged One LONELY in exile: Where are the hosts of the
heaven of Thy Command, O Sovereign of the worlds?
(Baha'u'llah:
Hi Susan,
My take on it is this.
Book 2 offered me the idea of introducing Baha'u'llahs
words in a natural way in my speech. It gave me the
practice and confidence to talk more freely than ever
before about the Bahai teachings.
Book 6 gave me a scenario for the subjects which are
most
Dear Susan,
One does not exclude the other. I also feel that your
interpretation of what Abdu'l-Baha is trying to do is
too narrow. I think it does apply not only to assembly
members, but to all of the community. I will later
post some quotes for the reason why I think this, when
I am back at a
Can I beg you all most humbly most supplicatingly to leave this sort of
discussion about discussion about slander about Ruhi? I have noted such
discussions become rapidly very very divisive. It can sunder and divide a
most dear friend from a post code in nz from one in Ireland...or one from
What is a fireside? Getting a
couple of friends together and talk about the Bahai
faith.
Dear Janine,
When the Guardian said it was the best teaching method he gave as his reason
that it allows the seeker to ask all of the questions in their hearts.
What did it turn into? official talks about
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