HSRP on MSFCs with DECnet [7:34828]
Hi, I'm working with the following scenario. msfc1 msfc2 ip -10.1.1.1 ip 10.1.1.2 DECnet - 1.1 DECnet 1.2 | HSRP - 10.1.1.3 | | | - | | IP hosts DECnet hosts I'm putting together a design using 2 6509s each with MSFCs. I want to provide IP redundancy via HSRP, but also run DECnet on both VLAN interfaces. The virtual MAC address problem of HSRP interacting with DECnet can be solved using 'standby use-bia' command. However I would prefer not to rely on the 'gratuitous arp' solution for my IP hosts; I dont know if they are all compliant. A better solution for a normal router is to use sub interfaces and the scope command, say a 2620. That way, I could configure IP on one sub-interface, and DECnet on another sub-interface. This would mean DECnet hosts could talk happily to their DR using the DEC aa-00-04-00-xx-xx MAC address, while the IP hosts could talk to the Cisco OUI virtual mac address - ie HSRP would only be configured on one of the subinterfaces eg: int fa0.1 ip addr 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 standby 1 ip 10.1.1.3 pre int fa0.2 decnet cost 10 But I dont see how I can do this trick with an MSFC. You cant split a VLAN interface into sub-interfaces. So how do I make a VLAN interface talk DECnet with aa-00-04 MAC address, and also respond to the normal HSRP cisco MAC address. Any ideas ? I really dont want to rely on gratuitous ARP. I'm sure that anything you can do with a 2620, you should be able to to at least as good with 6500s and MSFC !! Thanks in advance Mark Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34828t=34828 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
Some people live so fast They're so scared of getting old Some people keep on working All they do is line their graves with gold From the same track by Joe Jackson - Not bad for a baseball player :-) Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... At 03:28 PM 2/6/02, Cebuano wrote: As Joe jackson said... We don't know what happens when we die We only know we die too soon But then we have to try Or else the world becomes a waiting room. I like it! I had to look up who Joe Jackson is, but still I like it. ;-) Here's another similar one, from my hero: Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once. Of all the wonders that I yet have heard, It seems to me most strange that men should fear; Seeing that death, a necessary end, Will come when it will come. ATTRIBUTION: Julius Cfsar. Act ii. Sc. 2. AUTHOR: William Shakespeare (15641616) Priscilla Now on to Doyle, Parkhurst, Solie, Caslow, Berkowitz... - Original Message - From: Mike Sweeney To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634] You get out it what you put into it. Its that simple. I know far too many people who would do well but refuse to admit that they need to spend some time studying. why wont they pay for it is the biggest whine.. you are entitled to NOTHING in this world except to die at some point so it's really up to you where to go and how to get there. In my years, I have had the commute from hell and I used audio tapes and studied during lunchtime instead of going out with the guys. I squeezed in some class time at the college. I've spent time carpooling with the express idea of reading.. I have a laptop so I can at the least run sims on the run. I take it to family functions and it's understood that after a few hours of togetherness, I will disappear for a few hours of study time. I've explained to my daughter that even daddy has homework to do and so we each do our *homework* at the same time. She normally is done first :) And yes, a long suffering wife helps out alot. And I do make a point of some days, blowing off Cisco/networks/PCs to spend time with family and friends.. it's a tough balancing act to do. If there is a will, there is a way. MikeS Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34829t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson CCIE Skill Labs?? [7:34779]
i am in the uk and am trying to get my hands on the lab1 book($95)... i will let you all know how i get on From: Jeff D Reply-To: Jeff D To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Boson CCIE Skill Labs?? [7:34779] Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:20:56 -0500 I was wondering the same. Let me know if you hear anything. Jeff Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello, Has anyone had the chance to try out the new Boson CCIE Skill Labs book? The topics covered seem to be pretty good but not sure about the actual content. Boson has always provided excellent learning aids for the other Cisco exams(IMHO) and am sure that this one is also good. Just not sure if I want to shell out the $400.00 bucks right away!! Regards, The URL is : http://www.bosontraining.com _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34830t=34779 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VOIP Vic-2fx cards [7:34768]
Richard I've had the very same problem some time ago, it was really annoying, can you post the config, it'll probably jog my memory as to what was wrong Cheers Pat - Original Message - From: Richard Botham Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: VOIP Vic-2fx cards [7:34768] Hi All, I have 2 x Cisco 2621 routers and each have a 2port fxs voice card - vic-2fxs installed. When I plug my phone into port 1/0/0 of a vic-2fxs card installed in a 2621 I get dial tone. When I use port 1/0/1 I do not get dial tone. Is there any reason for this and what am I doing wrong. Regards Richard _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34832t=34768 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RIP Problem [7:34777]
Hello there.. well in rip v1, routing updates are sent WITHOUT SUBNET MASK out a router. for example a subnet of 134.8.2.0 will be advertised BUT if on the recieving interface the SUBNET MASK is /16, it will consider 16 bits of this address as a network and rest of 16 as host. this will make this network 134.8.0.0 . Most probabably the interface of R1 connected to R3 has an IP address of SUBNET MASK /16 that is why your R1 does not see these routes. To solve this problem, make a secondary address on your R1 interface connected to R3 and give it an IP address of /24. I hope I made my point clear. bye sajeel CCNA CCNP Looking for job:) - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: RIP Problem [7:34777] Hi all, I had the following problem while configuring two rip routers. There is a FR cloud between them R1 sends all his known subnets correct two the other (R3) router. On R 3 there is a redistribution from ospf in RIP. On R3 I see ALL routes learnde via ospf. When I debug ip rip (events) I see on R3 the following output: -- !R3: RIP: sending v1 update to 255.255.255.255 via Serial0 (134.8.31.3) 01:45:21: host134.8.235.4, metric 1 01:45:21: host134.8.235.6, metric 1 01:45:21: subnet 134.8.235.0, metric 1 01:45:21: subnet 134.8.3.0, metric 1 01:45:21: host134.8.2.2, metric 1 01:45:21: host134.8.6.6, metric 1 01:45:21: host134.8.4.4, metric 1 01:45:21: subnet 134.8.35.0, metric 1 --- but on R1 I don't see this routes any comments ? On both routers is version 12.0 CU Udo Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34833t=34777 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
show ip route longer-prefixes [7:34834]
Hi, I've got a router with a number of routes defined (connected interfaces, route learned from OSPF, etc.) One of these routes is a default route. When I do a show ip route for a network which has a specific routing entry (ie non-default), I get back the expected routing information. If I do a show ip route for a network not explicitly in the routing table, I get a Network not in table. Why do I get an error message instead of the command returning the entry for the default route? I've noticed that for networks not explicitly covered by a non-default entry in the routing table that if I do a show ip route longer-prefixes the default route is returned. Thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34834t=34834 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Written All in one [7:34835]
Hi folks, I am looking for a one-stop-shop book for CCIE written... I am considering Caslow's CCIE Resource Library - 2001 Ed, it is well reviewed everywhere. Any comments on this? Any other suggestions? Regards, Persio Pucci - CCNP UOL Inc. - Tecnologia Tel: +55 (11) 3038-9557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34835t=34835 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: collissions on serial line? [7:34816]
Not to my knowledge. Collisions are only relevant to contention based technologies the most common being CSMA/CD (Collision Sense Multiple Access with Collision Detection) as defined by the IEEE in 802.3. Serial links do not fit this bill as they have separate Tx and Rx pairs and therefore operate as full duplex. Regards, Phil. --- somera cecilia wrote: Folks, I've been searching CCO but cannot find answers to this. Is it possible to get collissions in serial lines? If there are, what could cause this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34836t=34816 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MPLS and VPN Architectures book [7:34792]
I'm reading it and so far I'm pleased with it. I haven't got to the VPN stuff yet though, but its given me a good grounging in tag switching and MPLS. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34837t=34792 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: collissions on serial line? [7:34816]
Right. More light. Collisions are possible only on technologies like CSMACD, CSMACA TR. In these technologies there is a contest for bandwidth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sean Knox Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: collissions on serial line? [7:34816] A serial line is a point-to-point link. Collisions are only possible on a shared medium, such as ethernet. -Original Message- From: somera cecilia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: collissions on serial line? [7:34816] Folks, I've been searching CCO but cannot find answers to this. Is it possible to get collissions in serial lines? If there are, what could cause this? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34838t=34816 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT : OSPF design review [7:34839]
At 2:05 AM -0500 2/8/02, Mannan Venkatesan wrote: Guys, Sorry for the off-topic. I am doing an OSPF network design review and trying to document the resources used by OSPF (link bandwidth and router CPU/memory). I have already gone through RFC 1245. Just wondering whether there is any more good reference/documents regarding this. Thanks, Mannan I'm copying this to the general list because it doesn't pertain specifically to the CCIE lab, and some people on the lab list are very sensitive to posts perceived to be off-topic. First, the current OSPF specification is RFC 2328. There is no simple answer, but let me give some ideas. LSAs are variable length, but typically take up 200-400 bytes of memory each. LSAs, of course, need to be preceded by packet headers, and there are only so many LSAs that can fit into a packet. How much bandwidth is consumed largely depends on how many LSAs are in the area and how often they change. You could be conservative and assume there will be a burst of all of them every 30 minutes, although newer IOS implementations will spread that out over time. In addition to this, you have variable-length HELLOs at a default interval of 10 seconds. To get an idea of CPU load, start with a single area. The CPU loading for the route computation is proportional (numberOfPrefixes**2)*log(numberOfRouters) As you start introducing inter-area and external rates, they cause the load generally to go up in a linear fashion, where the intra-area computation (the true Dijkstra) increases the load exponentially. The actual processor load, of course, will depend on how fast the processor is. You could, I suppose, create a synthetic load and measure the route table computation percentage of CPU (it should take 1 second) and extrapolate that to the number of prefixes and routers you expect to use. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34839t=34839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Syslog Server [7:34818]
Take a look at Winsyslog. Good product, with great support and lots of features. NKP wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi , I wanted to ask if there is any Syslog server available for WIN NT or 2K platform , is there any freeware available . Let me know. thanks in advance -- Navin Parwal Director Technosys tel: 91-141-372400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34840t=34818 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exam 640-900 and the CID exam [7:34752]
You go! Feel the FORCE Rob Mears III, CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I, NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, A+ Valor Telecom LAN\WAN Engineer Technical Mercenary -Original Message- From: Ranma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exam 640-900 and the CID exam [7:34752] 640-900 should be a easy task Mears, Rob wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello all I just finished the 640-900 exam yesterday for the CCIP cert, and it is a bitch!. If any one has any qiestion, I will take them off line, just email me. I am getting ready to take my CID exam, any advice? Thanks Rob Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34841t=34752 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: collissions on serial line? [7:34816]
Theoretically, it is impossible to get collisions on a serial line. LAN bus architecture experiences collisions because two devices can send frames to the bus at the exact same time. Serial interfaces transmit on a frequency if you will. This means that the frames will pass each other even when sent at the same time. Eric CCNP --- somera cecilia wrote: Folks, I've been searching CCO but cannot find answers to this. Is it possible to get collissions in serial lines? If there are, what could cause this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34842t=34816 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802]
does the same apply to ethernet? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy Hoang Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802] After you remove the subif and do a write mem does the startup-config still shows the subif? If it does, I would tftp the config to a file, edit the file and tftp it back to the router and reload. Just a guess. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sean Knox Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802] The router has been rebooted multiple, but the subif's persist. - Sean -Original Message- From: Michael Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802] In general, I believe that when you delete a subinterface (at least on serial lines) the subinterface won't go away until you reboot the router. HTH, Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34843t=34802 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cramsession CCIE Written [7:34806]
CramSession.com is currently undergoing a server move. The entire site is hosted on temporary servers during this process, which should be completed sometime soon. There are intermittent issues with some of the site connectivity, but I had not heard of this particular problem. I have sent it to the attention of the appropriate individuals. Sincerely, Mike - Original Message - From: Dennis Laganiere To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: RE: Cramsession CCIE Written [7:34806] I wasn't able to resolve cramsession, but if you go to brainbuzz.com and follow the links, it seems to work. By the way, I wrote that cramsession, so if you can't get it any other way, let me know and I'll send you a copy from home later tonight... --- Dennis -Original Message- From: Christi McClellan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2/7/2002 4:50 PM Subject: Cramsession CCIE Written [7:34806] anybody having a problem getting the study notes off of cramsession.com for the CCIE written? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34844t=34806 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Please confirm (conf#3ed311c4505257e8dec16f53a65733c9) [7:34846]
Amit Agarwal E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please confirm (conf#3ed311c4505257e8dec16f53a65733c9) Hi, You have tried to post to GroupStudy.com's Professional mailing list. Because the server does not recognize you as a confirmed poster, you will be required to authenticate that you are using a valid e-mail address and are not a spammer. By confirming this e-mail you certify that you are not sending Unsolicited Bulk Email (UBE). PLEASE DO NOT SEND YOUR ORIGINAL MESSAGE AGAIN! BY CONFIRMING THIS EMAIL YOUR ORIGINAL MESSAGE (WHICH IS NOW QUEUED IN THE SERVER) WILL BE POSTED. By confirming this e-mail you also certify the following: 1. The message does NOT break Cisco's Non-Disclosure requirements. 2. The message is NOT designed to advertise a commercial product. 3. You understand all postings become property of GroupStudy.com 4. You have searched the archives prior to posting. 5. The message is NOT inflammatory. 6. The message is NOT a test message. To confirm, simply reply to this message. No editing is necessary. Once confirmed, you will be able to post without additional confirmations. Welcome to GroupStudy.com! --ORIGINAL MESSAGE- From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 8 09:55:08 2002 Received: from ascent-inc.com (carchemish.lightrealm.com [216.122.167.94]) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11395 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:55:08 -0500 Received: from amit ([209.208.199.13]) by ascent-inc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07329 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:56:41 -0500 (EST) From: amit To: Subject: Load balancing Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:56:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0008_01C1B087.009A99D0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1B087.009A99D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to plan a configuration for providing the Load balancing with two DSL Links available for Internet . This balancing may be provided by using Routers or Firewall. I don=92t know much about the load balancing at these levels . Kindly suggest the solution including the equipments could be used. =20 =20 Amit Agarwal E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] =20 --=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1B087.009A99D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clean Clean DocumentEmail MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 /* Style Definitions */=20 table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:Table Normal; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Times New Roman;} I have to plan a configuration for providing the Load balancing with two DSL Links available for Internet = FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Load balancing [7:34845]
I have to plan a configuration for providing the Load balancing with two DSL Links available for Internet . This balancing may be provided by using Routers or Firewall. I dont know much about the load balancing at these levels . Kindly suggest the solution including the equipments could be used. Amit Agarwal E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34845t=34845 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CIT Exam difficulty... [7:34632]
From my point of view, here is what I see: Hardest --- Easiest CIT - Routing - Switching - BCRAN Good luck Dvass Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34847t=34632 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitmen [7:34634]
Right! I have to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I go to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when I get home, our Dad'll kill us, and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah. You tell that to the young people of today - And they won't believe you! Gaz James Robinson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... i live in northern MD, work in DC. my train pulls out at 5:05 AM, i get to union station around 7:00 AM. at night my train leaves at 6:00, i get home around 8:00. with the extra sleep time i need in order to function, i am still able to squeeze off at least 90 min of uninterrupted reading time on the train and then go home, deal with wife/kids/bills/life stuff and still have a good hour or so to research stuff in my lab before bedtime happens and it all starts again.at this rate, i am trying to set a schedule of finishing CCNP by early summer. jim Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's all about focus, drive, and motiviation. It's very difficult to work 7-8hrs/day, then come home and study for 5 more. Then on the weekends, study an additional 8-12hrs/day. (I did that schedule for 1 month prior to my lab exam, and a similar schedule 2-3 months out from my exam) It was very taxing, and hard to spend time with my significant other (who I acutally bought a dog to keep her occupied). How some people can spend the amount of time that they do with a family, and other disctractions is amazing. Try and set expectations in your household. Let people know that this is your quiet time. Start off spending 2 hours a night, and see if that does the trick for you. If it's too much, cut back to an hour, if you can handle more, do 3 hours. Remeber, an hour a night, every night, really adds up. After all is said and done, it's focus, motivation, concentration, drive, and buying someone a dog! :) thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/quicklinks.html rtc9 wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have a three hour commute, a full+ part time job, and I'm wondering, what is the average hours people put in to thier job after hours? Some I think do nothing. Others eat drink sleep and live the stuff. I know work is important.but Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34831t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suspending sessions in IOS [7:34848]
Does anyone have another method of suspending sessions when reverse telnetting from access servers or into modems? ctrl shift 6 never works for me. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34848t=34848 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VOIP for CCIE [7:34849]
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could give me some recommendations of what equipment would be best suited for adding VOIP to my home lab. I am considering getting the 2600 series but wanted some advise on if there was anything smaller or better suited for the job. Thanks for the help. Woody Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34849t=34849 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VOIP for CCIE [7:34849]
try a 1750 or 1751. Woods, Randall, SOBUS wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could give me some recommendations of what equipment would be best suited for adding VOIP to my home lab. I am considering getting the 2600 series but wanted some advise on if there was anything smaller or better suited for the job. Thanks for the help. Woody Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34850t=34849 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: suspending sessions in IOS [7:34848]
After doing Ctrl+Shift+6 then type an x. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: suspending sessions in IOS [7:34848] Does anyone have another method of suspending sessions when reverse telnetting from access servers or into modems? ctrl shift 6 never works for me. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34851t=34848 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suspending sessions in IOS [7:34848]
Forget it. I tried a different terminal emulation program it works better. The other one must not be sending the escape sequence correctly. Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Does anyone have another method of suspending sessions when reverse telnetting from access servers or into modems? ctrl shift 6 never works for me. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34852t=34848 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3DES [7:34756]
The paranoid among us can think of other industries where industrial espionage might play a part. Insurance, medical, any industry where there are proprietary processes in place. Imagine if people had been able to hack Enron :- Chuck Joel Satterley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Here, here, as long as you re-key every so often, who's going to bother ?? Daniel Cotts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... My opinion is that nobody is going to try to intercept and decrypt your traffic unless you deal in very large amounts of money. DES will keep the curious at bay. It is less processor intensive. -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3DES [7:34756] I have been looking at routers/firewalls. I am thinking of going with the 2611 with a ADSL card, I also want to get a 515. Our office is not that big yet, but I want to plan for the future. I see that the Pix 515R only does DES, but doesn't do 3DES. But when I buy the router, I can get it with 3DES. I am just kinda confused, where is the best place to use 3DES, on the firewall, or on the router? Or it doesn't matter. The way I see it, if I wanted to do 3DES on the firewall with the 515, I would have to buy the 515UR, which is about 10K. I don't really need the thoughput for 100,000 users just yet though. Any suggestions on this? Thanks in advance... Brian Zee MCSE, CCNA, A+ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34853t=34756 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3DES [7:34756]
I heard it put very well, and wish I could attribute it but I don't recall the source: To paraphrase, it goes something like this: Think of what it is your company makes, does or sells ... or is planning on doing so in the future. ... and how it makes it and/or does it, how much it costs to do so, etc. ... and who it sells it to ... and for how much .. and where this money goes Think of what differentiates you from your competitors .. quality, quantity, unique products/information/processes, etc. Now think of what would happen to your company if your competition knew all of this. Granted - you can argue that this oversimplifies things a little bit, but it makes a point that will readily hit home with management if nothing else! Thanks! TJ ... just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: 3DES [7:34756] The paranoid among us can think of other industries where industrial espionage might play a part. Insurance, medical, any industry where there are proprietary processes in place. Imagine if people had been able to hack Enron :- Chuck Joel Satterley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Here, here, as long as you re-key every so often, who's going to bother ?? Daniel Cotts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... My opinion is that nobody is going to try to intercept and decrypt your traffic unless you deal in very large amounts of money. DES will keep the curious at bay. It is less processor intensive. -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3DES [7:34756] I have been looking at routers/firewalls. I am thinking of going with the 2611 with a ADSL card, I also want to get a 515. Our office is not that big yet, but I want to plan for the future. I see that the Pix 515R only does DES, but doesn't do 3DES. But when I buy the router, I can get it with 3DES. I am just kinda confused, where is the best place to use 3DES, on the firewall, or on the router? Or it doesn't matter. The way I see it, if I wanted to do 3DES on the firewall with the 515, I would have to buy the 515UR, which is about 10K. I don't really need the thoughput for 100,000 users just yet though. Any suggestions on this? Thanks in advance... Brian Zee MCSE, CCNA, A+ * The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. * Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34854t=34756 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Written All in one [7:34835]
That book is a great complete book. But I would use along with that Hassam Halabi Internet Routing Architectures 2nd Edition, and TCP/IP routing volume 1 and 2. Those books cover a great deal of info. With these books and a bit of experience of course I think that will get you through. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34855t=34835 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CIT Test [7:34856]
I know that folks have asked about this test, but I am taking it Thursday, I would like to know of the people who thought that it was the hardest test, did you also feel it was equally hard to study for? I am studying through the book and BOSON, and quite honestly I think that this part comes natural to me. I certainly don't want to underestimate the test. ( I don't think I will) but I would like some feedback on this. Let me know if you guys remember how you felt. [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34856t=34856 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
I don't think this was Shoeless Joe Jackson, but rather a self-described awkward, skinny, asthmatic child who later became a musician/writer. Ref: google/joe jackson My own quote: This thread sounds like running thirty miles and hour on a treadmill going sixty. Best, G. VP OGC Some people live so fast They're so scared of getting old Some people keep on working All they do is line their graves with gold From the same track by Joe Jackson - Not bad for a baseball player :-) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34857t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Syslog Server [7:34818]
Try 3Com's syslog/TFTP/FTP daemon.. NKP wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi , I wanted to ask if there is any Syslog server available for WIN NT or 2K platform , is there any freeware available . Let me know. thanks in advance -- Navin Parwal Director Technosys tel: 91-141-372400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34858t=34818 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CIT Test [7:34856]
I thought that this test was the easiest of them all. All of the other tests for the CCNP had a little bit of troubleshooting in them, so you have been prepped already. Good luck! Joshua Barnes wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I know that folks have asked about this test, but I am taking it Thursday, I would like to know of the people who thought that it was the hardest test, did you also feel it was equally hard to study for? I am studying through the book and BOSON, and quite honestly I think that this part comes natural to me. I certainly don't want to underestimate the test. ( I don't think I will) but I would like some feedback on this. Let me know if you guys remember how you felt. [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34859t=34856 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3DES [7:34756]
A couple of questions regarding the original post and then some comments: It was unclear to me from the original post why you need the DES/3DES. Are you running end user VPN clients? Router-router tunnels? You need to consider the purpose of the encryption and the information it's intended to guard before deciding on the level. I've got some clients (law enforcement agencies, brokerage firms, etc.) where I don't take any comfort from 3DES. On the other hand, I've got some small business clients that use encryption for interoffice links that transfer non-sensitive/low sensitive information. For these guys, DES is plenty. Craig At 11:06 AM 2/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: The paranoid among us can think of other industries where industrial espionage might play a part. Insurance, medical, any industry where there are proprietary processes in place. Imagine if people had been able to hack Enron :- Chuck Joel Satterley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Here, here, as long as you re-key every so often, who's going to bother ?? Daniel Cotts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... My opinion is that nobody is going to try to intercept and decrypt your traffic unless you deal in very large amounts of money. DES will keep the curious at bay. It is less processor intensive. -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3DES [7:34756] I have been looking at routers/firewalls. I am thinking of going with the 2611 with a ADSL card, I also want to get a 515. Our office is not that big yet, but I want to plan for the future. I see that the Pix 515R only does DES, but doesn't do 3DES. But when I buy the router, I can get it with 3DES. I am just kinda confused, where is the best place to use 3DES, on the firewall, or on the router? Or it doesn't matter. The way I see it, if I wanted to do 3DES on the firewall with the 515, I would have to buy the 515UR, which is about 10K. I don't really need the thoughput for 100,000 users just yet though. Any suggestions on this? Thanks in advance... Brian Zee MCSE, CCNA, A+ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34860t=34756 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3DES [7:34756]
We deal with interfacing Alarm systems, both fire and security. 3Des would be needed so someone would have a hard time tripping alarms via the internet. I don't want to get out of bed at 3am, along with a lot of other people, fire, police, owners etc. Also we are writing Code, which programmers spend hours/days/weeks on. And we are getting patents, and writing code for the hardware. I think security is going to be much more important as time goes on. I am the extreme paranoid type, so I would rather take the safe route every time. I think if Enron had some hackers, and they deleted some data, it would only be doing them a favor at this point. -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 3DES [7:34756] The paranoid among us can think of other industries where industrial espionage might play a part. Insurance, medical, any industry where there are proprietary processes in place. Imagine if people had been able to hack Enron :- Chuck Joel Satterley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Here, here, as long as you re-key every so often, who's going to bother ?? Daniel Cotts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... My opinion is that nobody is going to try to intercept and decrypt your traffic unless you deal in very large amounts of money. DES will keep the curious at bay. It is less processor intensive. -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3DES [7:34756] I have been looking at routers/firewalls. I am thinking of going with the 2611 with a ADSL card, I also want to get a 515. Our office is not that big yet, but I want to plan for the future. I see that the Pix 515R only does DES, but doesn't do 3DES. But when I buy the router, I can get it with 3DES. I am just kinda confused, where is the best place to use 3DES, on the firewall, or on the router? Or it doesn't matter. The way I see it, if I wanted to do 3DES on the firewall with the 515, I would have to buy the 515UR, which is about 10K. I don't really need the thoughput for 100,000 users just yet though. Any suggestions on this? Thanks in advance... Brian Zee MCSE, CCNA, A+ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34861t=34756 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CIT Test [7:34856]
When I took it, I thought it was not the most difficult one that I had taken. Its broad though, covers a lot of things but not too terrible. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joshua Barnes Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CIT Test [7:34856] I know that folks have asked about this test, but I am taking it Thursday, I would like to know of the people who thought that it was the hardest test, did you also feel it was equally hard to study for? I am studying through the book and BOSON, and quite honestly I think that this part comes natural to me. I certainly don't want to underestimate the test. ( I don't think I will) but I would like some feedback on this. Let me know if you guys remember how you felt. [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34862t=34856 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3DES [7:34756] AES? [7:34863]
Any idea when they might add the successor to 3DES (AES)? (I've seen the Jan 2001 position paper at http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/hb/vp3000/prodlit/vpnpo_sd.htm -- just wondering if anyone knew more re timelines [assuming such can be shared, if it exists].) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 3DES [7:34756] The paranoid among us can think of other industries where industrial espionage might play a part. Insurance, medical, any industry where there are proprietary processes in place. Imagine if people had been able to hack Enron :- Chuck Joel Satterley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Here, here, as long as you re-key every so often, who's going to bother ?? Daniel Cotts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... My opinion is that nobody is going to try to intercept and decrypt your traffic unless you deal in very large amounts of money. DES will keep the curious at bay. It is less processor intensive. -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3DES [7:34756] I have been looking at routers/firewalls. I am thinking of going with the 2611 with a ADSL card, I also want to get a 515. Our office is not that big yet, but I want to plan for the future. I see that the Pix 515R only does DES, but doesn't do 3DES. But when I buy the router, I can get it with 3DES. I am just kinda confused, where is the best place to use 3DES, on the firewall, or on the router? Or it doesn't matter. The way I see it, if I wanted to do 3DES on the firewall with the 515, I would have to buy the 515UR, which is about 10K. I don't really need the thoughput for 100,000 users just yet though. Any suggestions on this? Thanks in advance... Brian Zee MCSE, CCNA, A+ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34863t=34863 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need Cisco guru help [7:34864]
hello, I have a question: I'm setting up a simulation lab for my CCNA. I have 2 routers, Cisco2501, 2503. I'm setting up frame-relay on both of the serial one but for some reason, the 2 routers don't talk. I tried to encap ppp but here is an error message. I know i need a DTE and a DCE for frame to work. Thanks, Serial1 is up, line protocol is down Hardware is HD64570 Internet address is 200.0.0.2/24 MTU 1500 bytes, BW 64 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255 Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set Keepalive set (10 sec) LMI enq sent 9488, LMI stat recvd 0, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI down LMI enq recvd 14232, LMI stat sent 0, LMI upd sent 0 LMI DLCI 1023 LMI type is CISCO frame relay DTE FR SVC disabled, LAPF state down Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 0/0, interface broadcasts 0 Last input 00:00:08, output 00:00:08, output hang never Last clearing of show interface counters 1d02h Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0 Queueing strategy: weighted fair Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops) Conversations 0/1/256 (active/max active/max total) Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated) Available Bandwidth 48 kilobits/sec 5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 14232 packets input, 186598 bytes, 0 no buffer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34864t=34864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3DES [7:34756] AES? [7:34863]
FIPS197 was declared as the new AES in November, 2001. The standard will be in effect in May, 2002. When do we see it in actual products... not too sure. http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/fips/fips197/fips-197.pdf Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34865t=34863 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need Cisco guru help [7:34864]
I have a feeling this is a mismatch type of problem. Please see the link below: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/itg_v1/tr1918.htm Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34866t=34864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CIT Test [7:34856]
I don't think it was difficult, it was simply illy - organized and poorly worded. As always, if it's too confusing to reason, process of elimination works great. Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34867t=34856 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Syslog Server [7:34818]
kiwi tools is great. -Original Message- From: NetEng To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08/02/02 13:45 Subject: Re: Syslog Server [7:34818] Take a look at Winsyslog. Good product, with great support and lots of features. NKP wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi , I wanted to ask if there is any Syslog server available for WIN NT or 2K platform , is there any freeware available . Let me know. thanks in advance -- Navin Parwal Director Technosys tel: 91-141-372400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. For more information contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone + 353 1 4093000 fax + 353 1 4093001 ** Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34868t=34818 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VOIP for CCIE [7:34849]
I have just orderd 2 NM-1V modules with FXS cards for my 2 2600 series routers , I think that should do . These modules are quite expensive unfortunately . -- Navin Parwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Woods, Randall, SOBUS wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could give me some recommendations of what equipment would be best suited for adding VOIP to my home lab. I am considering getting the 2600 series but wanted some advise on if there was anything smaller or better suited for the job. Thanks for the help. Woody Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34869t=34849 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CIT Test [7:34856]
From what I remember, this test was not as hard as routing. Know your show and debugs, ISDN troubleshooting, and some Frame-Relay...not to mention stuff about the tools on CCO that can be used for problem determination. HTH, Jason Clark, CCNP Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34871t=34856 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3DES [7:34756] AES? [7:34756]
The Rijndael block cipher. Colin Glenn Johnson wrote: Any idea when they might add the successor to 3DES (AES)? (I've seen the Jan 2001 position paper at http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/hb/vp3000/prodlit/vpnpo_sd.htm -- just wondering if anyone knew more re timelines [assuming such can be shared, if it exists].) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 3DES [7:34756] The paranoid among us can think of other industries where industrial espionage might play a part. Insurance, medical, any industry where there are proprietary processes in place. Imagine if people had been able to hack Enron :- Chuck Joel Satterley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Here, here, as long as you re-key every so often, who's going to bother ?? Daniel Cotts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... My opinion is that nobody is going to try to intercept and decrypt your traffic unless you deal in very large amounts of money. DES will keep the curious at bay. It is less processor intensive. -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3DES [7:34756] I have been looking at routers/firewalls. I am thinking of going with the 2611 with a ADSL card, I also want to get a 515. Our office is not that big yet, but I want to plan for the future. I see that the Pix 515R only does DES, but doesn't do 3DES. But when I buy the router, I can get it with 3DES. I am just kinda confused, where is the best place to use 3DES, on the firewall, or on the router? Or it doesn't matter. The way I see it, if I wanted to do 3DES on the firewall with the 515, I would have to buy the 515UR, which is about 10K. I don't really need the thoughput for 100,000 users just yet though. Any suggestions on this? Thanks in advance... Brian Zee MCSE, CCNA, A+ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34872t=34756 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CIT Exam difficulty... [7:34632]
My order was (Hardest to Easiest) Routing BCRAN CIT Switching Score Order (Highest to Lowest score) CIT Routing Switching BCRAN Through Complexity there is Simplicity, Through Simplicity there is Complexity David L. Blair - CCNP, CCNA, MCSE, CBE, A+, 3Wizard Dimitris Vassilopoulos wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... From my point of view, here is what I see: Hardest --- Easiest CIT - Routing - Switching - BCRAN Good luck Dvass Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34873t=34632 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Cisco guru help [7:34864]
If you only have 2 routers, then you need to disable keepalives on both sides - #no keepalive. One side has to provided the clocking, the DCE side with # clock rate 64000 Encap has to be frame-relay, PPP won't work as this is a frame circuit not a point-to-point. Then do a #frame-relay map ip on both sides. This will work. Regards. From: Mixa Reply-To: Mixa To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Need Cisco guru help [7:34864] Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:42:27 -0500 hello, I have a question: I'm setting up a simulation lab for my CCNA. I have 2 routers, Cisco2501, 2503. I'm setting up frame-relay on both of the serial one but for some reason, the 2 routers don't talk. I tried to encap ppp but here is an error message. I know i need a DTE and a DCE for frame to work. Thanks, Serial1 is up, line protocol is down Hardware is HD64570 Internet address is 200.0.0.2/24 MTU 1500 bytes, BW 64 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255 Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set Keepalive set (10 sec) LMI enq sent 9488, LMI stat recvd 0, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI down LMI enq recvd 14232, LMI stat sent 0, LMI upd sent 0 LMI DLCI 1023 LMI type is CISCO frame relay DTE FR SVC disabled, LAPF state down Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 0/0, interface broadcasts 0 Last input 00:00:08, output 00:00:08, output hang never Last clearing of show interface counters 1d02h Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0 Queueing strategy: weighted fair Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops) Conversations 0/1/256 (active/max active/max total) Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated) Available Bandwidth 48 kilobits/sec 5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 14232 packets input, 186598 bytes, 0 no buffer _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34875t=34864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802]
Andy, tftp'ing the config and editing out the subif's did the trick. Thanks! -Sean -Original Message- From: Andy Hoang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:01 PM To: Sean Knox; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802] After you remove the subif and do a write mem does the startup-config still shows the subif? If it does, I would tftp the config to a file, edit the file and tftp it back to the router and reload. Just a guess. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sean Knox Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802] The router has been rebooted multiple, but the subif's persist. - Sean -Original Message- From: Michael Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802] In general, I believe that when you delete a subinterface (at least on serial lines) the subinterface won't go away until you reboot the router. HTH, Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34876t=34802 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE-lab scenarios [7:34870]
Hello all, Question for you all...I'm a CCNP, and I'm getting ready to take on the CCIE written and LAB exam within the next few months. I have reviewed CCO's blueprint on the exam and have mapped out a schedule on what to study to make sure that I cover all the topics for the CCIE written. Also, I'd like to hear about any GOOD lab scenarios that are out there that I can purchase or download that will help me in my studies for the lab. I plan to attend the Centennial Networking Lab in Raleigh, NC, for my hands-on practice, and I'm looking for some good scenarios that will really sharpen my skills. I have heard positive things about ccbootcamp.com's lab workbook, but it's kinda pricey. What other workbooks are out there??? I heard about certificationzone.com's work book, and solutionlabsare they any good? Anybody with information that's willing to share would be helpful Thanks, Jason Clark, CCNP Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34870t=34870 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CIT Test [7:34856]
CIT was by the far the easiest for me. I took the Foundation exam before that and it was much more challenging. Do you know about my CIT flash cards, just for fun? The URL is: http://www.priscilla.com/cit/toc.html Good luck. I think you will pass. Priscilla At 11:46 AM 2/8/02, Joshua Barnes wrote: I know that folks have asked about this test, but I am taking it Thursday, I would like to know of the people who thought that it was the hardest test, did you also feel it was equally hard to study for? I am studying through the book and BOSON, and quite honestly I think that this part comes natural to me. I certainly don't want to underestimate the test. ( I don't think I will) but I would like some feedback on this. Let me know if you guys remember how you felt. [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34877t=34856 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: collissions on serial line? [7:34816]
No, it's not possible. Cisco programmers just got a bit lazy and didn't remove that line from the show int serial output, which is based on the show int ethernet output. Priscilla At 10:45 PM 2/7/02, somera cecilia wrote: Folks, I've been searching CCO but cannot find answers to this. Is it possible to get collissions in serial lines? If there are, what could cause this? Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34878t=34816 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802]
Yes, this applies to ethernet as well. Andy's suggestion-- to tftp the file elsewhere, edit out any mentions of subinterfaces, then tftp the edited file back-- worked like a charm. - Sean -Original Message- From: george gittins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 6:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802] does the same apply to ethernet? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy Hoang Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802] After you remove the subif and do a write mem does the startup-config still shows the subif? If it does, I would tftp the config to a file, edit the file and tftp it back to the router and reload. Just a guess. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sean Knox Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802] The router has been rebooted multiple, but the subif's persist. - Sean -Original Message- From: Michael Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Deleting Subinterfaces. [7:34802] In general, I believe that when you delete a subinterface (at least on serial lines) the subinterface won't go away until you reboot the router. HTH, Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34879t=34802 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: collissions on serial line? [7:34816]
If they pass each other, that's the opposite of a collision. Priscilla At 09:19 AM 2/8/02, Eric Mwambaji wrote: Theoretically, it is impossible to get collisions on a serial line. LAN bus architecture experiences collisions because two devices can send frames to the bus at the exact same time. Serial interfaces transmit on a frequency if you will. This means that the frames will pass each other even when sent at the same time. Eric CCNP --- somera cecilia wrote: Folks, I've been searching CCO but cannot find answers to this. Is it possible to get collissions in serial lines? If there are, what could cause this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34880t=34816 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IPsec Info [7:34881]
Can someone please provide some good infon/website/books for IPsec? Thanks a lot Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34881t=34881 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3DES [7:34756] AES? [7:34756]
I'm not sure when Cisco will incorporate AES, but it is already used in SSH2 and other products (can't think of any others of the top of my head). In fact, my company incorporates in AES into a client-server solution we offer. I've only read and heard good things about AES. - Sean -Original Message- From: Alex Lei [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 3DES [7:34756] AES? [7:34863] FIPS197 was declared as the new AES in November, 2001. The standard will be in effect in May, 2002. When do we see it in actual products... not too sure. http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/fips/fips197/fips-197.pdf Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34882t=34756 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need Cisco guru help [7:34864]
Make sure you have disabled KEEPALIVE on both routers. For more info - look here: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/125/frbacktoback.html Hth, Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Mixa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Need Cisco guru help [7:34864] hello, I have a question: I'm setting up a simulation lab for my CCNA. I have 2 routers, Cisco2501, 2503. I'm setting up frame-relay on both of the serial one but for some reason, the 2 routers don't talk. I tried to encap ppp but here is an error message. I know i need a DTE and a DCE for frame to work. Thanks, Serial1 is up, line protocol is down Hardware is HD64570 Internet address is 200.0.0.2/24 MTU 1500 bytes, BW 64 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255 Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set Keepalive set (10 sec) LMI enq sent 9488, LMI stat recvd 0, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI down LMI enq recvd 14232, LMI stat sent 0, LMI upd sent 0 LMI DLCI 1023 LMI type is CISCO frame relay DTE FR SVC disabled, LAPF state down Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 0/0, interface broadcasts 0 Last input 00:00:08, output 00:00:08, output hang never Last clearing of show interface counters 1d02h Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0 Queueing strategy: weighted fair Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops) Conversations 0/1/256 (active/max active/max total) Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated) Available Bandwidth 48 kilobits/sec 5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 14232 packets input, 186598 bytes, 0 no buffer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34883t=34864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CIT Test [7:34856]
The CIT exam was the one I felt best prepared for, but passed with a lower score that any of the others. I felt that the questions were worded very badly compared to the other exams, and I was asked questions about specific details that I did not recall having read in any of my books. Hth, Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Joshua Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CIT Test [7:34856] I know that folks have asked about this test, but I am taking it Thursday, I would like to know of the people who thought that it was the hardest test, did you also feel it was equally hard to study for? I am studying through the book and BOSON, and quite honestly I think that this part comes natural to me. I certainly don't want to underestimate the test. ( I don't think I will) but I would like some feedback on this. Let me know if you guys remember how you felt. [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34884t=34856 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: p-t-p serial w/ diff subnet address al points [7:34741]
I have seen the same thing. However, I've only seen it when the P-To-P link is setup using MultilinkPPP. We tried many times to configure a Multilink PPP point-to-point pipe (usually 2 or 3 T1s bonded together) with IPs in the same /30 subnet and could not get things to work. But as soon as we put IPs in different subnets on either end, it worked fine. Still don't know why Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34885t=34741 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: suspending sessions in IOS [7:34848]
You need to press CTRL-SHIFT 6 and then X. Hth, Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: suspending sessions in IOS [7:34848] Does anyone have another method of suspending sessions when reverse telnetting from access servers or into modems? ctrl shift 6 never works for me. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34886t=34848 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: suspending sessions in IOS [7:34848]
That's good, because the one you were using would probably not do the BREAK to ROMMON during startup. Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: suspending sessions in IOS [7:34848] Forget it. I tried a different terminal emulation program it works better. The other one must not be sending the escape sequence correctly. Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Does anyone have another method of suspending sessions when reverse telnetting from access servers or into modems? ctrl shift 6 never works for me. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34887t=34848 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Cisco guru help [7:34864]
Thanks all. That's interesting... now i remember that i printed out that article (don't know where it is) that Jensen put in for me. Thanks all. I'll give it a try. Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... If you only have 2 routers, then you need to disable keepalives on both sides - #no keepalive. One side has to provided the clocking, the DCE side with # clock rate 64000 Encap has to be frame-relay, PPP won't work as this is a frame circuit not a point-to-point. Then do a #frame-relay map ip on both sides. This will work. Regards. From: Mixa Reply-To: Mixa To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Need Cisco guru help [7:34864] Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:42:27 -0500 hello, I have a question: I'm setting up a simulation lab for my CCNA. I have 2 routers, Cisco2501, 2503. I'm setting up frame-relay on both of the serial one but for some reason, the 2 routers don't talk. I tried to encap ppp but here is an error message. I know i need a DTE and a DCE for frame to work. Thanks, Serial1 is up, line protocol is down Hardware is HD64570 Internet address is 200.0.0.2/24 MTU 1500 bytes, BW 64 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255 Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set Keepalive set (10 sec) LMI enq sent 9488, LMI stat recvd 0, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI down LMI enq recvd 14232, LMI stat sent 0, LMI upd sent 0 LMI DLCI 1023 LMI type is CISCO frame relay DTE FR SVC disabled, LAPF state down Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 0/0, interface broadcasts 0 Last input 00:00:08, output 00:00:08, output hang never Last clearing of show interface counters 1d02h Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0 Queueing strategy: weighted fair Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops) Conversations 0/1/256 (active/max active/max total) Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated) Available Bandwidth 48 kilobits/sec 5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 14232 packets input, 186598 bytes, 0 no buffer _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34888t=34864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: p-t-p serial w/ diff subnet address al points [7:34741]
Mike, What kind of routers and IOS where you trying to use to bond the T1s together? I am about to try it with two PTP t1s on a 2650. Please let me know.. Scott -Original Message- From: Michael Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: p-t-p serial w/ diff subnet address al points [7:34741] I have seen the same thing. However, I've only seen it when the P-To-P link is setup using MultilinkPPP. We tried many times to configure a Multilink PPP point-to-point pipe (usually 2 or 3 T1s bonded together) with IPs in the same /30 subnet and could not get things to work. But as soon as we put IPs in different subnets on either end, it worked fine. Still don't know why Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34890t=34741 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CIT Test [7:34856]
Already started on them, KEEP THAT SITE UP! Thanks, -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:22 PM To: 'Priscilla Oppenheimer'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Joshua Barnes' Subject: RE: CIT Test [7:34856] It sounds to me like everyone agree to it being either the easiest or hardest - so it probably won't help answering Joshua's answer very well. And Joshua, I can strongly recommend Priscilla's flash cards - they helped me pass the test; Thanks again for that Priscilla. Good luck on your exam, and have a great weekend, Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CIT Test [7:34856] CIT was by the far the easiest for me. I took the Foundation exam before that and it was much more challenging. Do you know about my CIT flash cards, just for fun? The URL is: http://www.priscilla.com/cit/toc.html Good luck. I think you will pass. Priscilla At 11:46 AM 2/8/02, Joshua Barnes wrote: I know that folks have asked about this test, but I am taking it Thursday, I would like to know of the people who thought that it was the hardest test, did you also feel it was equally hard to study for? I am studying through the book and BOSON, and quite honestly I think that this part comes natural to me. I certainly don't want to underestimate the test. ( I don't think I will) but I would like some feedback on this. Let me know if you guys remember how you felt. [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34891t=34856 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IPsec Info [7:34881]
Here's a list. http://www.counterpane.com/ipsec.html http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/sec96/full_papers/bel lovin/bellovin.txt http://www.research.att.com/~smb/talks/ http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/1999-12/features/harmful.html http://www.isr.umd.edu/TechReports/ISR/1999/MS_99-14/MS_99-14.phtml http://www.isoc.org/ndss99/proceedings/ http://napalm.firest0rm.org/issue9.txt http://www.ima.umn.edu/~pliam/xauth/ http://sec.femto.org/wetice-2001/papers/radia-paper.pdf http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-improveike-00.txt ftp://ftp.tis.com/pub/lists/ipsec and ftp://ftp.ans.net/pub/archive/ipsec Oh and my personal favorite: http://ikecrack.sourceforge.net/ -dre Simon Yang (ITeX) wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Can someone please provide some good infon/website/books for IPsec? Thanks a lot Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34892t=34881 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IPsec Info [7:34881]
Hth, Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Simon Yang (ITeX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IPsec Info [7:34881] Can someone please provide some good infon/website/books for IPsec? Thanks a lot Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34893t=34881 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitmen [7:34634]
Here's a little tidbit from the Washington Post about battle: [Cy (Zulu, 1964)] Endfield also finds a quality missing from all too many battle sequences in millions of movies: that is, the utter physical labor of battle. It's very hard work to fight, which is why the young are so much better at it. His troopers emerge like footballers after an overtime -- exhausted men, drained and emotionally flattened, smeared with dirt and blood, beyond the need to do anything but sleep for days. Sounds a lot like those 'boot camps' I hear about, and some sustained training efforts mentioned here in the group. Not to mention the day after those CCIE lab tests. Best, G. VP OGC Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34874t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need Cisco expert help [7:34894]
Thanks for all your help with my previous post. I'll give it a try tonight. Here is my current situation. I have 3 networks: 192.168.0.0 100.0.0.0 10.0.0.0 Network 1: 192.168.0.0 I have 2 Cisco 2500s, two different win2k domains. i'll like to simulate a real network but things are not working. Here is my configuration: I have a DSL router/switch 4 ports with a default IP 192.168.0.1 and NAT. This segment is 192.168.0.0. In this segment, i have one WIN2K server call WIN2KAD1 this server can see the internet because it's IP address is 192.168.0.2. I put static IP for it with local DNS 127.0.0.1. In this segment, i have one Cisco router 2501 connected to the DSL router/switch and it's Ethernet E0 has an IP address of 192.168.0.3. It has IOS 12.5. This is my 192.168.0.0 network. Network 2: 100.0.0.0 The 2 routers connected to each other using a back-to-back cable. No frame relay this time. This network is 100.0.0.1 connected to the serial S1 of the first Cisco2051. The second Cisco2503 serial1 is connected to the first one using back-toback cable and its IP address is 100.0.0.2. Network 3: 10.0.0.0 On the E0 side of the Cisco 2503, its IP address is 10.0.0.1 and i connected a crossover cable to my other Win2k box and this box has an IP 10.0.0.2. What I did? I used route add on the first Win2k box so that 192.168.0.0 can talk to 100.0.0.0 and 10.0.0.0 I configured static route on both of the cisco router so that network 10.0.0.0 can talk to 192.168.0.0 and 100.0.0.0 All communications are working. I can ping everything from every subnet. But I CAN NOT SURF the web from my 10.0.0.0 network. What am i doing wrong here? I know this is a long post but please give it a shoot. Thanks, Mixa Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34894t=34894 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: collissions on serial line? [7:34816]
Phil, I belive that the CS in CSMA stands for Carrier Sense. Oleg Oz... List Lurker Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34895t=34816 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: collissions and the bigger picture [7:34896]
At 07:24 AM 2/8/02, Surya Prakash wrote: Right. More light. Collisions are possible only on technologies like CSMACD, CSMACA TR. In these technologies there is a contest for bandwidth. Your answer is of course right, that serial links don't encounter collisions. Collisions are an issue on networks where multiple devices contend for the shared transmission medium. I don't know what you mean by CSMACA TR (hopefully not Token Ring which uses token passing, not CSMA! ;-) Multiple stations don't send at once in Token Ring. Instead the token passes from station to station with a bit that says whether the token is free or not, which means a station can send. But a couple good examples of CSMA/CA are Local Talk (remember that?) and 802.11B wireless. Despite the A standing for Avoidance in CSMA/CA, collisions do occur in those technologies. Media Access Control on 802.11B wireless networks is quite interesting. From what I understand, stations sense and then wait a random amount of time before sending. When sensing, a station can take into account how long another station will be sending because the station includes a duration value. Check this AiroPeek output. See the Duration field? Cool, eh? 802.11 MAC Header Version: 0 Type: %00 Subtype: %0101 To DS:0 From DS: 0 More Frag.: 0 Retry:0 Power Mgmt: 0 More Data:0 WEP: 0 Order:0 Duration: 218 Microseconds Destination: 00:A0:F8:9B:B9:AA Client B9:AA Source: 00:A0:F8:8B:20:1F AP 20:1F BSSID:00:A0:F8:8B:20:1F AP 20:1F Seq. Number: 3095 Frag. Number: 0 802.11B differs from other CSMA methods in a few other ways also. There's no collision detection. Instead, a station ACKs (at the data-link layer). That way the sender knows that its frame got there and no collision occurred. 802.11B also provides a fragmentation service. This has to do with collision avoidance (not MTU as in the IP world). The idea is to reduce collisions by making sure that nobody hogs the medium for too long. If a station were to hog the medium for a long time, the odds of two or more stations trying to send as soon as the original one finished increase, as do the collisions. The fragmentation threshold (a configurable parameter in an AP and wireless NIC) can be lowered, causing large Ethernet packets to be broken into smaller groups of 802.11 packets. Because each packet is smaller, it may allow other stations to jump in to the wireless medium and take turns without as many collisions. The fragmentation threshold defines the threshold above which the MAC layer will fragment packets into a series of smaller packets. 802.11B also supports a slightly different method for avoiding collisions, which is through the use of RTS and CTS packets. (That's what LocalTalk does too, by the way). Someone else might know about the Media Access Control used on cable modems. It may be CSMA also? This has nothing to do with the phantom collision report on Cisco serial interfaces (which is just one of those silly gotchas on Cisco tests). On a serial link, each side of the point-to-point link has its own dedicated transmit circuit. Sharing isn't happening, so collisions don't happen either. Priscilla -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sean Knox Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: collissions on serial line? [7:34816] A serial line is a point-to-point link. Collisions are only possible on a shared medium, such as ethernet. -Original Message- From: somera cecilia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: collissions on serial line? [7:34816] Folks, I've been searching CCO but cannot find answers to this. Is it possible to get collissions in serial lines? If there are, what could cause this? _ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34896t=34896 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IPsec Info [7:34881]
Begin padding to keep the URLs from being deleted. CCO is always a good place to start: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/index.shtml Down on this page is a link to a good tutorial. Check out www.ietf.org for relevant RFCs. I'm looking at 3193. Cisco Press has a book on VPNs. Adam Quiggle has also authored one. Try a search on www.google.com -Original Message- From: Simon Yang (ITeX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IPsec Info [7:34881] Can someone please provide some good infon/website/books for IPsec? Thanks a lot Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34897t=34881 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IPsec Info [7:34881]
Let's try again, this time with the URL away from line 1. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/#ipsec Hth, Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IPsec Info [7:34881] Hth, Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Simon Yang (ITeX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IPsec Info [7:34881] Can someone please provide some good infon/website/books for IPsec? Thanks a lot Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34898t=34881 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need Cisco expert help [7:34894]
Is 100.0.0.0 registered to you ? where is the connection to the internet, and how are you translating addresses ? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34899t=34894 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Cisco expert help [7:34894]
I am taking a stab here trying to visualize what you are talking about. But if you are not doing any routing on the routers outside of statics do you have ip default-gateway set? Yes when you are not doing routing like eigrp and ospf you use the default gateway command. Maybe this will help. Mixa cc: Sent by: Subject: Need Cisco expert help [7:34894] nobody 02/08/2002 02:54 PM Please respond to Mixa Thanks for all your help with my previous post. I'll give it a try tonight. Here is my current situation. I have 3 networks: 192.168.0.0 100.0.0.0 10.0.0.0 Network 1: 192.168.0.0 I have 2 Cisco 2500s, two different win2k domains. i'll like to simulate a real network but things are not working. Here is my configuration: I have a DSL router/switch 4 ports with a default IP 192.168.0.1 and NAT. This segment is 192.168.0.0. In this segment, i have one WIN2K server call WIN2KAD1 this server can see the internet because it's IP address is 192.168.0.2. I put static IP for it with local DNS 127.0.0.1. In this segment, i have one Cisco router 2501 connected to the DSL router/switch and it's Ethernet E0 has an IP address of 192.168.0.3. It has IOS 12.5. This is my 192.168.0.0 network. Network 2: 100.0.0.0 The 2 routers connected to each other using a back-to-back cable. No frame relay this time. This network is 100.0.0.1 connected to the serial S1 of the first Cisco2051. The second Cisco2503 serial1 is connected to the first one using back-toback cable and its IP address is 100.0.0.2. Network 3: 10.0.0.0 On the E0 side of the Cisco 2503, its IP address is 10.0.0.1 and i connected a crossover cable to my other Win2k box and this box has an IP 10.0.0.2. What I did? I used route add on the first Win2k box so that 192.168.0.0 can talk to 100.0.0.0 and 10.0.0.0 I configured static route on both of the cisco router so that network 10.0.0.0 can talk to 192.168.0.0 and 100.0.0.0 All communications are working. I can ping everything from every subnet. But I CAN NOT SURF the web from my 10.0.0.0 network. What am i doing wrong here? I know this is a long post but please give it a shoot. Thanks, Mixa Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34900t=34894 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Cisco expert help [7:34894]
The 100.0.0.0 is just a network between the Serial interfaces of the 2 routers. I put put the number in. It's not register. Everything is behind the DSL/router/firewall using NAT. The connection to the internet is my DSL router/firewall. Vincent Miller wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Is 100.0.0.0 registered to you ? where is the connection to the internet, and how are you translating addresses ? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34901t=34894 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Cisco expert help [7:34894]
So which commands is correct then? Cisco2503(config)#ip default-gateway 0.0.0.0 This is my router on the 10.0.0.0 network Or Cisco2503(config)#ip default-gateway 192.168.0.0 (DSLRouterNAT)192.168.0.1--192.168.0.2(Cisco2501)100.0.0.1-- -100.0.0.2(Cisco2503)---10.0.0.1 How to make a server in 10.0.0.0 see the internet? 10.0.0.2 is the server IP wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I am taking a stab here trying to visualize what you are talking about. But if you are not doing any routing on the routers outside of statics do you have ip default-gateway set? Yes when you are not doing routing like eigrp and ospf you use the default gateway command. Maybe this will help. Mixa cc: Sent by: Subject: Need Cisco expert help [7:34894] nobody 02/08/2002 02:54 PM Please respond to Mixa Thanks for all your help with my previous post. I'll give it a try tonight. Here is my current situation. I have 3 networks: 192.168.0.0 100.0.0.0 10.0.0.0 Network 1: 192.168.0.0 I have 2 Cisco 2500s, two different win2k domains. i'll like to simulate a real network but things are not working. Here is my configuration: I have a DSL router/switch 4 ports with a default IP 192.168.0.1 and NAT. This segment is 192.168.0.0. In this segment, i have one WIN2K server call WIN2KAD1 this server can see the internet because it's IP address is 192.168.0.2. I put static IP for it with local DNS 127.0.0.1. In this segment, i have one Cisco router 2501 connected to the DSL router/switch and it's Ethernet E0 has an IP address of 192.168.0.3. It has IOS 12.5. This is my 192.168.0.0 network. Network 2: 100.0.0.0 The 2 routers connected to each other using a back-to-back cable. No frame relay this time. This network is 100.0.0.1 connected to the serial S1 of the first Cisco2051. The second Cisco2503 serial1 is connected to the first one using back-toback cable and its IP address is 100.0.0.2. Network 3: 10.0.0.0 On the E0 side of the Cisco 2503, its IP address is 10.0.0.1 and i connected a crossover cable to my other Win2k box and this box has an IP 10.0.0.2. What I did? I used route add on the first Win2k box so that 192.168.0.0 can talk to 100.0.0.0 and 10.0.0.0 I configured static route on both of the cisco router so that network 10.0.0.0 can talk to 192.168.0.0 and 100.0.0.0 All communications are working. I can ping everything from every subnet. But I CAN NOT SURF the web from my 10.0.0.0 network. What am i doing wrong here? I know this is a long post but please give it a shoot. Thanks, Mixa Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34902t=34894 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VOIP for CCIE [7:34849]
I considered those for my lab as well but Brad Ellis mentioned that they won't run Enterprise IOS, which limits their value in your lab. Rik -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VOIP for CCIE [7:34849] try a 1750 or 1751. Woods, Randall, SOBUS wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could give me some recommendations of what equipment would be best suited for adding VOIP to my home lab. I am considering getting the 2600 series but wanted some advise on if there was anything smaller or better suited for the job. Thanks for the help. Woody Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34903t=34849 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Security certification [7:34904]
There is one certification called CISSP (certified information system security professional). Does anybody family with it? How's it value? Any comment/suggestion? Thanks -Simon CCNP, MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34904t=34904 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK, here we go... [7:34894]
First, you didn't mention what kind of DSL router it is. (BTW, most DSL routers comercially marketed are actually ethernet-to-ethernet routers. Calling them DSL routers is a misnomer.) Every NAT implementation I've worked with requires explicit ranges set up for NAT. There's a good chance that your NAT router is configured to only NAT addresses in the 192.168.0.X range. If you'd like a more in depth discussion of what NAT is and how it works, I'd be happy to write a quick one up. Second, your Windows box is using it's loopback address for DNS. This is only a correct configuration if your Windows box is a DNS server and is receiving zone transfers from external DNS servers. I doubt that this is the case, so I would assume that DNS queries are failing. Wait... I suppose if you're running DNS on that box and have a secondary lookup to a public DNS, it should work. Better solution is to use the DNS server your ISP provides. Thirdly, while your Windows box knows how to get to the 10.0.0.0 network, due to your route add commands (BTW, that is not a reliable solution. Don't ask hosts (like a server) to make routing decisions), your NAT router does not know how to get there, or even that it exists. So even if the NAT router would translate 10.0.0.0 into public addresses, the router would not be able to send any packets back. For this you need a static route in the NAT router for the 10.0.0.0 network. This solution also removes the need for the route add commands. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34906t=34894 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Security certification [7:34904]
www.securityfocus.com has a mailing list for the CISSP certification if i recall correctly. Sean -Original Message- From: Simon Yang (ITeX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Security certification [7:34904] There is one certification called CISSP (certified information system security professional). Does anybody family with it? How's it value? Any comment/suggestion? Thanks -Simon CCNP, MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34908t=34904 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No can do [7:34864]
You cannot simulate frame-relay with 2 routers. A minimuim of three are required. One router must serve as the frame-relay switch. This router needs to be connected to both other routers via back-to-back serial connections. In many ways, frame-relay is analogous to IP. It's just one more set removed. In frame-relay, a router will segment data into frame-relay packets and address them using the DLCI. These packets are sent to the frame-relay provider. The frame-relay provider's equipment (referred to as a switch) passes the packet to another switch based on the DLCI. I don't really know how many switches a common frame-relay packet goes through, but it doesn't really matter, because it will come out in the right place on the other router. The other router accepts the data, reassembles it into the original form and routes it accordingly. The trick is, frame-relay was never meant to operate back-to-back. Therefore, each router needs to be directly connected to a frame-relay switch. I don't have a link to help in that configuration, but if you get a third router, I can dig something up. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34909t=34864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Security certification [7:34904]
I think that it more for Security Managers. Go to google and do a search on it. Also go to www.sans.org and check out their certifications - more technical. Get on their mailing list. They have training. -Original Message- From: Simon Yang (ITeX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Security certification [7:34904] There is one certification called CISSP (certified information system security professional). Does anybody family with it? How's it value? Any comment/suggestion? Thanks -Simon CCNP, MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34910t=34904 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE-lab scenarios [7:34870]
One point I'd like to bring up is do you work for a Cisco partner. If you do, once you pass the written, alot of resources become available to you. You can get access to some practice labs, limited access to cisco personal for help, even (and this depends on you're partner status) access to cisco labs. Just check and see if any of these options are open to you. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34911t=34870 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: collissions and the bigger picture [7:34896]
The fragmentation process sounds much like ATM and the head-of-the-line blocking problem the cell size was intended to prevent. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34912t=34896 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WFQ On High Speed Link [7:34913]
All, Would you be so kind as to share your thoughts/experience with WFQ on high speed links? I know that Cisco generally considers it to be unnecessary on links greater than 2 Mbps. I have a client with a 16 Mbps HSSI connection between 3640 routers. The config has been in place for a long time. However, the circuit does not seem to support the throughput that they should be getting. I finally got them to share a copy of the config file. Not only is WFQ enabled, but the congestive discard value was left at a default 64 messages. I am wondering if this is just unnecessary or if it is/can be detrimental? As I said, there are indications that there are throughput issues. Please note that I am just looking for comments. Unfortunately, I have never had my hands on any of their equipment (yet). Thus, I have no debug or even visual observations to offer. All of my information is third party. Just trying to understand the wisdom of using WFQ in this environment. Many thanks, Scott Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34913t=34913 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VOIP for CCIE [7:34849]
Ideal would be VG200/248 or a NM-V or NM-2V plus VICs for your 2600. Neither of these are cheap, though. However, if you're just looking for voice gateways to add to your network, 1750's actually work quite well. They do not have some of the higher-end features that a 2600 does, but it does what it does pretty well. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34914t=34849 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CIT Test [7:34856]
Easy test for someone who has hands experience. I also used Ole's CITCMD program. Download it at: http://www.RouterChief.com/dowload/citcmd.exe Hopes this helps, Darren At 11:46 AM 2/8/2002 -0500, Joshua Barnes wrote: I know that folks have asked about this test, but I am taking it Thursday, I would like to know of the people who thought that it was the hardest test, did you also feel it was equally hard to study for? I am studying through the book and BOSON, and quite honestly I think that this part comes natural to me. I certainly don't want to underestimate the test. ( I don't think I will) but I would like some feedback on this. Let me know if you guys remember how you felt. [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$: Lucent Technologies - Enhanced Servies Sales NetworkCare Professional Services http//www.lucent.com/netcare/ Darren S. Crawford - CCNP, CCDP Distinguished Member of the Consulting Staff Northwest Region - Sacramento Office Voicemail (916) 859-5200 x310 Pager (800) 467-1467 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$: Every Job is a Self-Portrait of the person Who Did It Autograph Your Work With EXCELLENCE! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34915t=34856 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: WFQ On High Speed Link [7:34913]
I don't *know* that it would be detrimental, but I wouldn't be suprised. You're asking the router's processor to do advanced screening on ALOT of packets. It could easily overload the process utilization. First thing I'd do is look at that. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34916t=34913 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: show ip route longer-prefixes [7:34834]
Sounds like more of an interface issue than a performance one. One of the developers at Cisco (or more likely some company that Cisco bought) figured that a sh ip route x.x.x.x comand should not take into account a default route, so the user is not potentially confused, thinking there is a specific route to that address. Then another developer added the longer-prefixes arguement and thought that the default route should be taken into account. Just accept it and move on. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34917t=34834 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No can do [7:34864]
You can connect two routers back-back using frame relay encaps. It must be done on subinterfaces.. - Original Message - From: Chris Charlebois To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: No can do [7:34864] You cannot simulate frame-relay with 2 routers. A minimuim of three are required. One router must serve as the frame-relay switch. This router needs to be connected to both other routers via back-to-back serial connections. In many ways, frame-relay is analogous to IP. It's just one more set removed. In frame-relay, a router will segment data into frame-relay packets and address them using the DLCI. These packets are sent to the frame-relay provider. The frame-relay provider's equipment (referred to as a switch) passes the packet to another switch based on the DLCI. I don't really know how many switches a common frame-relay packet goes through, but it doesn't really matter, because it will come out in the right place on the other router. The other router accepts the data, reassembles it into the original form and routes it accordingly. The trick is, frame-relay was never meant to operate back-to-back. Therefore, each router needs to be directly connected to a frame-relay switch. I don't have a link to help in that configuration, but if you get a third router, I can dig something up. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34918t=34864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No can do [7:34864]
Your answer is logical, but not true for Cisco. Cisco lets you do back-to-back Frame Relay. I think they added it mostly to allows training classes to save on equipment costs! If a person can afford to use a router in the middle as a switch, it really enables a better understanding of Frame Relay. When you configure the switch especially, light bulbs often go off. The back-to-back stuff, on the other hand, muddies one's understanding. But it should work. Just make one the DCE, add clocking, and the frame-relay switching command. Priscilla At 05:50 PM 2/8/02, Chris Charlebois wrote: You cannot simulate frame-relay with 2 routers. A minimuim of three are required. One router must serve as the frame-relay switch. This router needs to be connected to both other routers via back-to-back serial connections. In many ways, frame-relay is analogous to IP. It's just one more set removed. In frame-relay, a router will segment data into frame-relay packets and address them using the DLCI. These packets are sent to the frame-relay provider. The frame-relay provider's equipment (referred to as a switch) passes the packet to another switch based on the DLCI. I don't really know how many switches a common frame-relay packet goes through, but it doesn't really matter, because it will come out in the right place on the other router. The other router accepts the data, reassembles it into the original form and routes it accordingly. The trick is, frame-relay was never meant to operate back-to-back. Therefore, each router needs to be directly connected to a frame-relay switch. I don't have a link to help in that configuration, but if you get a third router, I can dig something up. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34919t=34864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No can do [7:34864]
Oh yes you can...read this:http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/125/frbacktoback.html Extract from the link: Introduction This document is a sample configuration for setting up two Cisco routers back-to-back using Frame Relay (FR) encapsulation. The routers are connected using data communications equipment (DCE) and a data terminal equipment (DTE) serial cable. Back-to-back setups are useful in test environments. The simplest and preferred method for configuring back-to-back setups is described in this document. A FR switch or DCE device is used between FR routers to provide Local Management Interface (LMI) status messages. Because there is no switch in a back-to-back scenario, LMI processing is disabled on both routers. You also can configure a back-to-back setup with one router providing LMI status updates for the other. However, such a configuration is necessary only if the LMI debugging messages are to be checked in a back-to-back setup. In this case, LMI processing is not disabled and one side functions as a hybrid FR switch by responding to LMI status enq. For more details on this configuration, please see Back-to-Back Frame Relay Hybrid Switching. In the sample configuration, the router connected to the DCE cable must provide clocking. Router1 provides the clock at 64 kbps (clock rate 64000). Hardware and Software Versions To implement this configuration, you need the following hardware and software components: Cisco IOSĀ® Software Release 10.0 and later that supports FR encapsulation. Two routers, each with an interface that supports FR encapsulation. Note: The information in this document was taken from an isolated lab environment. Make sure you understand the potential impact of a command on your network before you use it. This configuration was developed and tested using the software and hardware versions below. Cisco IOS Software Release 12.1(2). Cisco 1604 routers. All the best, Yeti-GBR1 aka A complete Lunatic Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34920t=34864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
comments on Cisco PIX CSPFA exam [7:34922]
Hi All, I took the Cisco PIX CSPFA exam yesterday and I was suprised to find out that my score is 970/1000. I've never worked with any type of firewalls let alone PIX Firewall. I read the CSPFA book and borrowed the materials from a friend of mine who went to global knowledge training a few weeks earlier. I am very disappointed with the exam. I don't think anyone like myself should be able to pass the exam that easily. I thought yesterday's test score was a fluke so this morning I went and took the MCNS exam and I got a score of 960/1000. I was completely shocked. A few hours, I decide to sign up for the CCIE written exam. Amazingly I passed with a score of 92/100 That is unbelievable. To pass the exam for someone like myself really de-value the prestige of Cisco Certification by some bookworms like me. Cisco, after all, should make the exam a lot harder than the way it is now. Anyone care to comment on this. Mike Johnson __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34922t=34922 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Security certification [7:34904]
It requires 3 years of experience in security work--provable experience. The Common Body of Knowledge is extensive. I've seen a number of job ads that look for the cert, though I cannot say that they really needed someone with that level of knowledge. CISSP Certification Examination #8211; Applicant Requirements CISSP Certification candidates must meet the following requirements prior to taking the CISSP examination. Subscribe to the (ISC)2 Code of Ethics. Have at least 3 years of cumulative work experience in one or more of the ten test domains in information systems [IS] security. Valid experience includes information systems security-related work performed as a practitioner, auditor, consultant, vendor, investigator or instructor, or that which requires IS security knowledge and involves direct application of that knowledge. http://www.isc2.org/cgi-bin/content.cgi?page=43 HTH Annlee Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34907t=34904 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VOIP for CCIE [7:34849]
Woody, Why not take a look at the MC3810 if you put 64 Mb RAM into them, then they will do VoIP. There are quite a number on ebay from time to time. You can think of them as very similar to a 2610 + 2 x wic-1T in basic functionality. Similar cpu power to a 2610, 10 BaseT + 2 x serial ports built in. Many come with the optional AVM6 voice module fitted. (An AVM6 takes up to 6 x APMs, Analogue Personality modules - fxs, fxo, em versions available) some have DVM - E1/T1 primary rate digital voice modules fitted and many have mft E1/T1 (multiflex-trunk modules) fitted. On the whole they seem to go for rather less than a 2610 + NM-1V + vic- 2fxs + 2 x Wic-1T. If you get MC3810 + AVM6 + 2 x APM-fxs + mft-E1/T1 and have 64 Mb Ram then they will do: VoFR, VoIP, VoATM and you can use a pair of them with mft back to back to practice ATM pvcs at 2 Mb and all for less than a pair of 2610s with voice! They are used on the CVOICE course and are suggested as a cost effective alternative in Solie's CCIE Practical Studies Vol1 though they are not the actual routers on the lab syllabus. But, if this makes a significant difference to you then you are probably not yet ready to sit the lab. Peter In article , Steven A. Ridder writes try a 1750 or 1751. Woods, Randall, SOBUS wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could give me some recommendations of what equipment would be best suited for adding VOIP to my home lab. I am considering getting the 2600 series but wanted some advise on if there was anything smaller or better suited for the job. Thanks for the help. Woody html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Peter Whittle Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34921t=34849 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Security certification [7:34904]
It's value is fairly high although it's still a written test. It's fairly well known and most security people that work in the government have it. It is based mainly on theory not practical hands-on so it's a guide start prior to doing the more specialized vendor specific certs. John Kaberna CCIE #7146 NETCG Inc. www.netcginc.com (415) 750-3800 Instructor for CCIE R/S and Security 5-day class www.ccbootcamp.com __ CCIE Security Training www.netcginc.com/training.htm Simon Yang (ITeX) wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... There is one certification called CISSP (certified information system security professional). Does anybody family with it? How's it value? Any comment/suggestion? Thanks -Simon CCNP, MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34905t=34904 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Security certification [7:34904]
It requires 3 years of experience in security work--provable experience. The Common Body of Knowledge is extensive. I've seen a number of job ads that look for the cert, though I cannot say that they really needed someone with that level of knowledge. CISSP Certification Examination #8211; Applicant Requirements CISSP Certification candidates must meet the following requirements prior to taking the CISSP examination. Subscribe to the (ISC)2 Code of Ethics. Have at least 3 years of cumulative work experience in one or more of the ten test domains in information systems [IS] security. Valid experience includes information systems security-related work performed as a practitioner, auditor, consultant, vendor, investigator or instructor, or that which requires IS security knowledge and involves direct application of that knowledge. http://www.isc2.org/cgi-bin/content.cgi?page=43 HTH Annlee Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34907t=34904 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WFQ On High Speed Link [7:34913]
I've heard that WFQ at this speed is detrimental due to the time it takes to process the queues. That ends up leading to a longer delay than any congestion would cause. John s vermill 2/8/02 4:04:20 PM All, Would you be so kind as to share your thoughts/experience with WFQ on high speed links? I know that Cisco generally considers it to be unnecessary on links greater than 2 Mbps. I have a client with a 16 Mbps HSSI connection between 3640 routers. The config has been in place for a long time. However, the circuit does not seem to support the throughput that they should be getting. I finally got them to share a copy of the config file. Not only is WFQ enabled, but the congestive discard value was left at a default 64 messages. I am wondering if this is just unnecessary or if it is/can be detrimental? As I said, there are indications that there are throughput issues. Please note that I am just looking for comments. Unfortunately, I have never had my hands on any of their equipment (yet). Thus, I have no debug or even visual observations to offer. All of my information is third party. Just trying to understand the wisdom of using WFQ in this environment. Many thanks, Scott Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34924t=34913 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: comments on Cisco PIX CSPFA exam [7:34922]
2/8/2002 6:20pm Friday I think you should go take the CCIE lab. It's a lot easier now --- only one day instead of two. You'll fly right thru it ! Richard // mike johnson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi All, I took the Cisco PIX CSPFA exam yesterday and I was suprised to find out that my score is 970/1000. I've never worked with any type of firewalls let alone PIX Firewall. I read the CSPFA book and borrowed the materials from a friend of mine who went to global knowledge training a few weeks earlier. I am very disappointed with the exam. I don't think anyone like myself should be able to pass the exam that easily. I thought yesterday's test score was a fluke so this morning I went and took the MCNS exam and I got a score of 960/1000. I was completely shocked. A few hours, I decide to sign up for the CCIE written exam. Amazingly I passed with a score of 92/100 That is unbelievable. To pass the exam for someone like myself really de-value the prestige of Cisco Certification by some bookworms like me. Cisco, after all, should make the exam a lot harder than the way it is now. Anyone care to comment on this. Mike Johnson __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34925t=34922 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Cisco exams are too easy??? [7:34923]
Hi All, I took the Cisco PIX CSPFA exam yesterday and I was suprised to find out that my score is 970/1000. I've never worked with any type of firewalls let alone PIX Firewall. I read the CSPFA book and borrowed the materials from a friend of mine who went to global knowledge training a few weeks earlier. I am very disappointed with the exam. I don't think anyone like myself should be able to pass the exam that easily. I thought yesterday's test score was a fluke so this morning I went and took the MCNS exam and I got a score of 960/1000. I was completely shocked. A few hours, I decide to sign up for the CCIE written exam. Amazingly I passed with a score of 92/100 That is unbelievable. To pass the exam for someone like myself really de-value the prestige of Cisco Certification by some bookworms like me. Cisco, after all, should make the exam a lot harder than the way it is now. Anyone care to comment on this. Mike Johnson __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34923t=34923 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No can do [7:34864]
Can even do direct...just on the intf. itself but also can do on the subif as you mentioned :-) From: Curtis Phillips Reply-To: Curtis Phillips To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No can do [7:34864] Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:18:03 -0500 You can connect two routers back-back using frame relay encaps. It must be done on subinterfaces.. - Original Message - From: Chris Charlebois To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: No can do [7:34864] You cannot simulate frame-relay with 2 routers. A minimuim of three are required. One router must serve as the frame-relay switch. This router needs to be connected to both other routers via back-to-back serial connections. In many ways, frame-relay is analogous to IP. It's just one more set removed. In frame-relay, a router will segment data into frame-relay packets and address them using the DLCI. These packets are sent to the frame-relay provider. The frame-relay provider's equipment (referred to as a switch) passes the packet to another switch based on the DLCI. I don't really know how many switches a common frame-relay packet goes through, but it doesn't really matter, because it will come out in the right place on the other router. The other router accepts the data, reassembles it into the original form and routes it accordingly. The trick is, frame-relay was never meant to operate back-to-back. Therefore, each router needs to be directly connected to a frame-relay switch. I don't have a link to help in that configuration, but if you get a third router, I can dig something up. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34926t=34864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: comments on Cisco PIX CSPFA exam [7:34922]
as someone wiser than I once put it, life's a bitch, and then you die. sorry to hear your bad luck. another time Chuck mike johnson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi All, I took the Cisco PIX CSPFA exam yesterday and I was suprised to find out that my score is 970/1000. I've never worked with any type of firewalls let alone PIX Firewall. I read the CSPFA book and borrowed the materials from a friend of mine who went to global knowledge training a few weeks earlier. I am very disappointed with the exam. I don't think anyone like myself should be able to pass the exam that easily. I thought yesterday's test score was a fluke so this morning I went and took the MCNS exam and I got a score of 960/1000. I was completely shocked. A few hours, I decide to sign up for the CCIE written exam. Amazingly I passed with a score of 92/100 That is unbelievable. To pass the exam for someone like myself really de-value the prestige of Cisco Certification by some bookworms like me. Cisco, after all, should make the exam a lot harder than the way it is now. Anyone care to comment on this. Mike Johnson __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34927t=34922 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]