Re: Help needed

[Debbie]

the price is for what they call a snap test, a vaccination, and a booster in a few weeks. This was the cheapest vet in a tri county area. We live in Ohio. do you really think there is a possibility that they won't test possitive? If some do and some don't do they need separated, if vaccinated?
 
-Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help needed 
Hi Debbie,
 
I would check around with other places in your area to see if you can find the tests cheaper.   I can get a combo test here for $16 per cat, which would be way less than $1,000.   
At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them.  They have been together and likely either have it or they don't (most likely not).
 
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat. She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have). They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck in her intestines so they operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing better but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off. After all of this they came back and said she tested postive for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep. 
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out $700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as some people think to keep up with everything.  

-Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help needed I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be positive.  If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV? 
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not socialize with the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age, different litters, aquired at the same time.-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Re: Help needed

[Kelley Saveika]

Hi Debbie,

I would check around with other places in your area to see if you can find
the tests cheaper.   I can get a combo test here for $16 per cat, which
would be way less than $1,000.

At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them.  They have
been together and likely either have it or they don't (most likely not).

On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the feline
leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We aquired so
many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I worked with
found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all
of them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had
4 babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles
away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We
brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and
they were ok at that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they
did it was not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed
up at a barbeque we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to
get pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat.
She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and
mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing up. We
took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have). They are
all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck
in her intestines so they operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes.
They did a biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing better
but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in and they said
her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off. After all of this they
came back and said she tested postive for leukemia. They recommended putting
her to sleep.
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out
$700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the
operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. We
feel awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as some
people think to keep up with everything.




-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it would be
unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be
positive.  If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that
FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV?


On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the
> others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a
> 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not
> socialize with the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate
> from same dishes.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age,
> different litters, aquired at the same time.
>
>


--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20





--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Re: Help needed

[Debbie]

The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat. She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have). They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck in her intestines so they operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing better but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off. After all of this they came back and said she tested postive for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep. 
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out $700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as some people think to keep up with everything. 
-Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help needed I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be positive.  If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV? 
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not socialize with the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age, different litters, aquired at the same time.-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Re: Help needed

[Kelley Saveika]

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it would be
unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be
positive.  If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that
FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV?

On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the
others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a
1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not
socialize with the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate
from same dishes.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age,
different litters, aquired at the same time.





--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Help needed

[Debbie]

What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the others all 
be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a 1200 square foot 
house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not socialize with the 
other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes. 
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age, 
different litters, aquired at the same time.

Re: Help with Stomatitis

[TenHouseCats]

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Stomatitis/

you might want to check them out. stomatitis can be such a hard
one to control. my siberian's is kept under some semblance of control
by periodic shots of depomedrol, which is not a traditional treatment,
but one that my vet has found successful.



On 2/15/07, Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Someone in our group has a lovely cat (negative for FIV and FeLV) with
terrible Stomatitis.  He has had his teeth pulled (except canines) and she
said his poor mouth looks like ground beef.  She is very concerned... and to
make things worse, this boy who's favorite pastime is eating, is now
refusing food.  The vet put him on Pred. Zithromax and Interferon
yesterday... however he didn't seem to hold out much help.  I was hoping
there was some other ideas out there.  I have never (KNOCK ON WOOD) had this
affliction in any of our rescues... so I'm at a loss with regard to what to
suggest.  Any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated... we're really worried
about this little guy.  It would seem like something like OraGel could be
used to reduce pain??

--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson



--
Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: OT Help with Stomatitis

[Gussies mom]

I have a foster with this also. The vet said pulling the teeth would not help. 
She did give me something to put on his food to help with pain, I will check to 
see what it is.
   
  Beth

Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Someone in our group has a lovely cat (negative for FIV and FeLV) with 
terrible Stomatitis.  He has had his teeth pulled (except canines) and she said 
his poor mouth looks like ground beef.  She is very concerned... and to make 
things worse, this boy who's favorite pastime is eating, is now refusing food.  
The vet put him on Pred. Zithromax and Interferon yesterday... however he 
didn't seem to hold out much help.  I was hoping there was some other ideas out 
there.  I have never (KNOCK ON WOOD) had this affliction in any of our 
rescues... so I'm at a loss with regard to what to suggest.  Any ideas would be 
GREATLY appreciated... we're really worried about this little guy.  It would 
seem like something like OraGel could be used to reduce pain?? 

-- 
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, 
or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only one 
life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
---Ralph Waldo Emerson 

 
-
8:00? 8:25? 8:40?  Find a flick in no time
 with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

Help with Stomatitis

[Leslie Lawther]

*Someone in our group has a lovely cat (negative for FIV and FeLV) with
terrible Stomatitis.  He has had his teeth pulled (except canines) and she
said his poor mouth looks like ground beef.  She is very concerned... and to
make things worse, this boy who's favorite pastime is eating, is now
refusing food.  The vet put him on Pred. Zithromax and Interferon
yesterday... however he didn't seem to hold out much help.  I was hoping
there was some other ideas out there.  I have never (KNOCK ON WOOD) had this
affliction in any of our rescues... so I'm at a loss with regard to what to
suggest.  Any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated... we're really worried
about this little guy.  It would seem like something like OraGel could be
used to reduce pain?? *

--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Fwd: Parsippany NJ - possible FeLV kitten needs help - please crosspost!

[catatonya]

  PLEASE ANYBODY CAN HELP THSI POOR KITTEN -IT IS JUST ONE--SPECIAL-LOV YOU 
ALL.f
   
From: "Kim McCullough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jenie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Parsippany NJ - possible FeLV kitten needs help - please crosspost!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:35:18 -0500

  Hi all - please crosspost or pass on any ideas if you can think 
of any and thanks!!!
  Kim - ps her email says eathink.net but maybe it should be earthlink???
  NJ (Parsippany): FeLV+ DLH tuxedo kitten!
  Posted by: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] darnot258
  Date: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:40 pm ((PST))
  Pls contact : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Hi, my name is Dannielle and I live in Parsippany, NJ. I recently found a 
stray kitten, very underfed, outside my office at Fairfield, NJ. I took her to 
the local vet, whom did a blood test and said that it appears that she has 
Leukemia. The vet told me that the test was about 70% accurate, and that since 
she was so small (about 3 months), it should be done again when she gains some 
weight. That being said, I've taken her home and she's absolutely adorable. I 
never had any intentions of keeping her (I'm highly allergic), and I don't have 
the money to do go back to the vet- nor would I have the money to pay for the 
vet bills for a sick cat. I am DESPERATE to find a good home for her, but it 
has been impossible... any cat lover's that I have spoke with already have cats 
(and the disease is contagious), or do not want a sick cat. I have spoken with 
some shelters, all of which have told me that either a) they will not take a 
sick cat or b) that I should put her down. I
 absolutely refuse to do so because she is a lively, energetic, loving kitten 
whom is not showing any symptoms of the illness at this time. I am writing you 
for help- a desperate plea to save this little kittens life. Please find it in 
your heart to help. *Attached you will find a few pictures of my Figgaro, my 
little kitten. She's way cuter than she looks in these pictures- it was 
difficult to get her to stay still to take any decent ones! PLS. EMAIL to help 
this kitty! [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   
   

Re: Rude Ranch -ideas for getting HELP

[Kelley Saveika]

I was out at the Volunteer Fair at the University of Texas campus today (I
had to take the day off to go).

I got a lot of interestbut not sure how much will pan out...we will see.


On 2/7/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


excellent suggestions.

more and more high-schools are requiring community service before
graduation, and far more kids would like to help animals than
people--a sentiment i can certainly identify with! there's a lot of
things that retirees can do, as well, with skills gained from years of
working the real world.

with teenagers, many sanctuaries/shelters have a 16-years age minimum
age limit for volunteers; others will say 18 in a minimum for
insurance purposes. i've spoken with insurance professionals, tho, who
say that liability insurance really doesn't apply to volunteers but
only to VISITORS--that volunteers are assumed to have taken on any
risks by the act of volunteering

you can find lots of materials on freecycle lists, too, if you don't
mind wading through lots of posts for things that aren't applicable.
posting what you WANT, however, can work well.

there are at LEAST two yahoogroups that exist solely for
shelters/sanctuaries/rescue to post things that they need/have extras
of to share with others.

any university with a vet school or a vet-tech program is a source of
volunteers; in fact, universities are a good source in general, as a
lot of students really miss their own pets and would love to help out,
even if "only" doing socializing, which is a major need for places
with a lot of kitties.

i was astonished to find out, when i moved to the sanctuary, that i
was the first volunteer they'd ever had who knew how to medicate cats!

i did up a flyer once, asking for "cooks, cleaners and
cuddlers"--people to come in for an hour a day opening the 52 cans of
wet food, scooping it into bowls and adding the lysine, and delivering
it to the rooms; helping with cleaning (the never-ending cleaning--
every little bit helps, and frees the directors of the facilities for
things like vet visits, maintenance, etc), and the all-important
sitting on the floor and just being a cat toy.

so many people think that "helping out" means taking in another
cat. it can mean joining a group of people putting labels on the
newsletter, taking photos of the adoptable cats and putting them on
the petfinder site, writing thank-you notes for donations received;
answering emails or phone calls; offering to pick up donations and
delivering them to the shelter/rescue; transporting critters to the
vet, on a leg of their trip to their forever home. it can be going out
every two weeks and taking a spin on the riding lawn mower; it can be
having another group they're with having 50/50 raffles where half the
proceeds go to the rescue; it can be someone lending their fundraising
skills  and helping organize an event; it can be staffing an adoption
event for a few hours; it can be sellling baked goods on a weekend.

if we remind people of all the ways they can help, without adding a
new fur-source to their homes, again, we help us all.

MC



On 2/7/07, tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, three of my volunteers have now moved out of state (have since
gone
> off to college), and the other two now have their hands full with their
two
> new children, one of which is a Down's Synd. baby...where are you?
>
> I found the kids willing to help that time at one of the high schools in
the
> area.  They have to do community service to graduate in Maryland.  Not
all
> of the kids want to work at church, or are comfortable helping at a soup
> kitchen, and there are quite a lot of young adults who love animals and
are
> very into activism, but are limited as to how much they can do first
hand
> because they still live with mom & dad.  BUT, if you contact the local
high
> schools & churches in your areas, you'd be surprised by how many people
are
> willing to help.  AND if you have any affiliations with actual rescues,
very
> often the local lumber yards & little ma & pa hardware stores in the
area
> will be willing to donate either regular merchandise, or slightly
damaged
> items that can be still be useful...just not "pretty".  You can also get
> ALOT of stuff on the CRAIGS LIST website.  People list items there they
want
> to get rid of, but don't want to throw awaymost are give-a-ways,
some
> are up for trade.
>
> It never hurts to ask youth church groups, schools, shops that sell
animal
> supplies..even vet offices, boarding & grooming businesses.  But if you
> approach the schools and church groups, do it correctly, start at the
HEAD
> of the school, explain in writing what you are looking to do and WHY,
try to
> find some educational value in it for those who would help.
>
> If 

Re: Rude Ranch -ideas for getting HELP

[TenHouseCats]

excellent suggestions.

more and more high-schools are requiring community service before
graduation, and far more kids would like to help animals than
people--a sentiment i can certainly identify with! there's a lot of
things that retirees can do, as well, with skills gained from years of
working the real world.

with teenagers, many sanctuaries/shelters have a 16-years age minimum
age limit for volunteers; others will say 18 in a minimum for
insurance purposes. i've spoken with insurance professionals, tho, who
say that liability insurance really doesn't apply to volunteers but
only to VISITORS--that volunteers are assumed to have taken on any
risks by the act of volunteering

you can find lots of materials on freecycle lists, too, if you don't
mind wading through lots of posts for things that aren't applicable.
posting what you WANT, however, can work well.

there are at LEAST two yahoogroups that exist solely for
shelters/sanctuaries/rescue to post things that they need/have extras
of to share with others.

any university with a vet school or a vet-tech program is a source of
volunteers; in fact, universities are a good source in general, as a
lot of students really miss their own pets and would love to help out,
even if "only" doing socializing, which is a major need for places
with a lot of kitties.

i was astonished to find out, when i moved to the sanctuary, that i
was the first volunteer they'd ever had who knew how to medicate cats!

i did up a flyer once, asking for "cooks, cleaners and
cuddlers"--people to come in for an hour a day opening the 52 cans of
wet food, scooping it into bowls and adding the lysine, and delivering
it to the rooms; helping with cleaning (the never-ending cleaning--
every little bit helps, and frees the directors of the facilities for
things like vet visits, maintenance, etc), and the all-important
sitting on the floor and just being a cat toy.

so many people think that "helping out" means taking in another
cat. it can mean joining a group of people putting labels on the
newsletter, taking photos of the adoptable cats and putting them on
the petfinder site, writing thank-you notes for donations received;
answering emails or phone calls; offering to pick up donations and
delivering them to the shelter/rescue; transporting critters to the
vet, on a leg of their trip to their forever home. it can be going out
every two weeks and taking a spin on the riding lawn mower; it can be
having another group they're with having 50/50 raffles where half the
proceeds go to the rescue; it can be someone lending their fundraising
skills  and helping organize an event; it can be staffing an adoption
event for a few hours; it can be sellling baked goods on a weekend.

if we remind people of all the ways they can help, without adding a
new fur-source to their homes, again, we help us all.

MC



On 2/7/07, tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, three of my volunteers have now moved out of state (have since gone
off to college), and the other two now have their hands full with their two
new children, one of which is a Down's Synd. baby...where are you?

I found the kids willing to help that time at one of the high schools in the
area.  They have to do community service to graduate in Maryland.  Not all
of the kids want to work at church, or are comfortable helping at a soup
kitchen, and there are quite a lot of young adults who love animals and are
very into activism, but are limited as to how much they can do first hand
because they still live with mom & dad.  BUT, if you contact the local high
schools & churches in your areas, you'd be surprised by how many people are
willing to help.  AND if you have any affiliations with actual rescues, very
often the local lumber yards & little ma & pa hardware stores in the area
will be willing to donate either regular merchandise, or slightly damaged
items that can be still be useful...just not "pretty".  You can also get
ALOT of stuff on the CRAIGS LIST website.  People list items there they want
to get rid of, but don't want to throw awaymost are give-a-ways, some
are up for trade.

It never hurts to ask youth church groups, schools, shops that sell animal
supplies..even vet offices, boarding & grooming businesses.  But if you
approach the schools and church groups, do it correctly, start at the HEAD
of the school, explain in writing what you are looking to do and WHY, try to
find some educational value in it for those who would help.

If you are in need of  blankets or throws for your rescues...contact an
assisted living care facility.  Offer to maybe give a talk to the residents
about felv+, show pictures of your cats, or if they have the temperment and
are up on shots, to bring them in to visit.  Talk with them about what you
do, what you need...if you supplie the raw materials, and can find a
resi

Re: Rude Ranch -ideas for getting HELP

[tamara stickler]

Well, three of my volunteers have now moved out of state (have since gone off 
to college), and the other two now have their hands full with their two new 
children, one of which is a Down's Synd. baby...where are you?
   
  I found the kids willing to help that time at one of the high schools in the 
area.  They have to do community service to graduate in Maryland.  Not all of 
the kids want to work at church, or are comfortable helping at a soup kitchen, 
and there are quite a lot of young adults who love animals and are very into 
activism, but are limited as to how much they can do first hand because they 
still live with mom & dad.  BUT, if you contact the local high schools & 
churches in your areas, you'd be surprised by how many people are willing to 
help.  AND if you have any affiliations with actual rescues, very often the 
local lumber yards & little ma & pa hardware stores in the area will be willing 
to donate either regular merchandise, or slightly damaged items that can be 
still be useful...just not "pretty".  You can also get ALOT of stuff on the 
CRAIGS LIST website.  People list items there they want to get rid of, but 
don't want to throw awaymost are give-a-ways, some are up for
 trade.
   
  It never hurts to ask youth church groups, schools, shops that sell animal 
supplies..even vet offices, boarding & grooming businesses.  But if you 
approach the schools and church groups, do it correctly, start at the HEAD of 
the school, explain in writing what you are looking to do and WHY, try to find 
some educational value in it for those who would help.
   
  If you are in need of  blankets or throws for your rescues...contact an 
assisted living care facility.  Offer to maybe give a talk to the residents 
about felv+, show pictures of your cats, or if they have the temperment and are 
up on shots, to bring them in to visit.  Talk with them about what you do, what 
you need...if you supplie the raw materials, and can find a resident or two 
there who love cats and can say knitt or sew...perhaps you can sit with them 
and make blankets or throws that you need.  ALWAYS remember tho to bring 
pictures back to your helpers of your critter using the items they made or 
donated.
   
  In that instance where I offered to help the woman who had offered to take 
Simms, I did so because I would have been making the living space more livable 
for an animal that had been in my care (and that I WANTED desparately to keep, 
but couldn't for space reasons (VERY small aptcondo Nazi's already all over 
me b/c I had too many...three of which were already special needs 
critters...etc...), I was willing to put the supplies I couldn't get donated on 
my charge card.  As it is, I used that money to drive the cat across 4 states 
to a better home.
   
  T

Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  No kidding!  That was exactly what was going through my mind when reading 
Tamara's offer of help.  I'm always wishing help like that would fall out of 
the sky and into my lap!

Susan Hoffman wrote:   Ummm, would you and your volunteers like to come give me 
a hand at MY place?  I'll accept!

tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
  I agree.  That's what scared me about the woman who originally agreed to take 
Simms.  After seeing her place, I called her back and told her I had five 
volunteers lined up who had agreed to come help her finish insulating the 
garage where she kept the felv+ cats, build new cat trees and levels for them 
and her healthy foster cats and even help her husband build the larger shed he 
told me he wanted to build for the healthy foster cats that she had.  I told 
her all her hubby had to do was get us a list of the materials he needed, give 
us a weekend or two when it would be good for them, and we'd be there.


 
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Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate
in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.

FW: PLEASE HELP THESE FELV+ Kittens at Manhattan AC&C - Maso A691102 & Mona A691083

[JENI RECA]

Hi,
I don't know if anyone can help these two feluk babies.  The only thing I 
could possibly do is get them out of the shelter, but I can not house them 
due to the fact Hillman Waller is very sick right now and the newest one is 
still so small and sick...no other rooms to house these two.  Hopefully 
somebody can take them.  They are at Manahattan Animal Care and Control 
thier case numbers are A691102 and A691083. If you have any other questions, 
I maybe could help.

Jeni

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RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks Marylyn!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Use the spray where he is peeing.  I haven't used Feliway for that
purpose (only for reducing fear) but it is supposed to work.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 If you have men who
will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message - 
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat

Re Feliway, agree, I don't know if mine are doing any good or
not--Mickey is still prone to peeing on sofa when he mixes with my tame
cats--but I'm continuing to use as manufacturer recommends 90 days to
see change of behavior. FYI, however, for those who do use Feliway--my
local Petsmart matches the price of any internet price. The internet
price was $28 for plug-in (bad enough I know); Petsmart store price
$43!!. So I guess I did feel good about "saving" $15 per plug in. 
Maybe I'll start using the spray more--I have At-Ease, which is
cheaper (thanks for the tip Nina!). 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Finding her a home of her own in the future may be a really good
thing.  Right now, lose on top of lose on top of lose it would be so
hard on her.  
 
I don't care for the plugins at all.  Others like them.  I can
control what the spray is on and not on.  And it has just worked better
for me.  Someone on the list mentioned a knock off that works as well as
Feliway.  Some of the super chains like Meijer's has it (at a lot lower
cost than vets etc).  I think the last I bought was about $15 a bottle.
Don't even ask what the first bottle cost.
 
 
 
 
 If you have men
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the
shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal
likewise with their fellow man.

St. Francis

- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

Hi Marylyn,
 
I just think that a lot of cats would want their own
people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard
for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get
enough attention (in my opinion).  But that may not be what she wants.
It is difficult for me to tell yet.  
 
I will get some Feliway spray next payday.  What do you
think of the plugins?  Are they also usefull, or not?

 
On 1/3/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Please don't even think about adopting her out,
at least for a long time.  Can you imagine all the things that are going
thru her mind  Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want
to pet her.  Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty
Katt and with several ferals.

 
 
 
 
 
 

If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures

from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 

will deal likewise with their fellow man.

St. Francis


- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29
AM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

MessageUse the spray where he is peeing.  I haven't used Feliway for that 
purpose (only for reducing fear) but it is supposed to work.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:33 AM
  Subject: RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Re Feliway, agree, I don't know if mine are doing any good or not--Mickey is 
still prone to peeing on sofa when he mixes with my tame cats--but I'm 
continuing to use as manufacturer recommends 90 days to see change of behavior. 
FYI, however, for those who do use Feliway--my local Petsmart matches the price 
of any internet price. The internet price was $28 for plug-in (bad enough I 
know); Petsmart store price $43!!. So I guess I did feel good about "saving" 
$15 per plug in. 
  Maybe I'll start using the spray more--I have At-Ease, which is cheaper 
(thanks for the tip Nina!). 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
  Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:46 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Finding her a home of her own in the future may be a really good thing.  
Right now, lose on top of lose on top of lose it would be so hard on her.  

  I don't care for the plugins at all.  Others like them.  I can control what 
the spray is on and not on.  And it has just worked better for me.  Someone on 
the list mentioned a knock off that works as well as Feliway.  Some of the 
super chains like Meijer's has it (at a lot lower cost than vets etc).  I think 
the last I bought was about $15 a bottle.  Don't even ask what the first bottle 
cost.




   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Hi Marylyn,

I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than 
being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room 
to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion).  But 
that may not be what she wants.  It is difficult for me to tell yet.  

I will get some Feliway spray next payday.  What do you think of the 
plugins?  Are they also usefull, or not?

 
On 1/3/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. 
 Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind  Try putting 
feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her.  Honestly, it helped so 
much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
    Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

 
She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let 
me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws 
this time, though.).

I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but 
if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can take 
a chance on adopting her out at this point.  

 
On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, 
snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.






   If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
   

RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks Leslie--will def let everyone know if I ever solve this problem!
Kerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leslie Lawther
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


I think using enough... or more than enough in the plug-ins is the
answer.  We had 10 -12 running at any one time in our 3,000 square foot
house.  So I would say 4 is good for your space... but certainly too
little defeats the purpose (so I'd run heavy rather than light).  We
noticed a HUGE difference in aggression with Feli-way... but had never
used it to stop or curb improper elimination problems...  I'd be
interested to hear if it helps you eventually.  We've got a new kitty
that has "issues" too...   Once Rudy stopped being a pest, we stopped
using the Feliway plug ins... but still have them if they work for couch
peeing episodes!!  Keep us posted!! 
BTW - We started using it because there was someone on the FIP list a
while back who used it in her clinic and noticed an amazing difference.
She swore by the stuff... which is why we tried it. 
Leslie =^..^=

 
On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Hi all, I've stepped up the Feliway plug-ins and wondered what
others think of the number--too few? Not enough? I'm using 4 total at
present. 
I have a 2-bedroom place, about 1000 feet total, but mostly
open-plan. 
The 2 bedrooms (each abt 10x10) and the bathroom have doors,
obviously, but living/dining area (20 x10) and kitchen (10x10) are
open-plan and connected via a narrow 12 feet hallway. I've put two
plug-ins total in the living/dining area; plus one in the kitchen; and
one in bedroom 1 (which is the ferals' room; door is kept closed). I
don't have one in the hallway or bedroom 2 that bedroom door is usually
kept half-open on to the living-room/dining area. Maybe I should add one
to bedroom 2 and/or hallway? (I'm desperate to integrate Mickey and
Momcat now they're negative but Mickey has a habit of peeing when he
runs free in the aptment-floor and sofa and my bed are his locations
of choice, so far.) 
My tame cats are not welcoming even though they've all been
living in same house albeit not in the same living space for 3 years. My
2 male tame cats growl non-stop when Mickey comes trotting down the
hallway, and they don't stop growling until the poor little fellow
eventually runs back into his own room. (Momcat hasn't ventured forth at
all yet.) 
I've begun swopping tame/feral catbeds around. Hasn't helped
yet. Maybe I need to do more swopping.

All opinions/comments/suggs for harmonious living welcome!
 Kerry M. 


-- 
Leslie =^..^=

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

I just did a search, and the cheapest place was at dog.com.  I found that
humorous:)




On 1/8/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


don't forget whenever you're buying anything online to check places
like www.bizrate.com or www.shop.com to compare prices--you will be
amazed at the range.

sometime last year i did a search on the feliway diffusers--it's sure
to be in the archives!

On 1/8/07, Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think using enough... or more than enough in the plug-ins is the
answer.
> We had 10 -12 running at any one time in our 3,000 square foot
house.  So I
> would say 4 is good for your space... but certainly too little defeats
the
> purpose (so I'd run heavy rather than light).  We noticed a HUGE
difference
> in aggression with Feli-way... but had never used it to stop or curb
> improper elimination problems...  I'd be interested to hear if it helps
you
> eventually.  We've got a new kitty that has "issues" too...   Once Rudy
> stopped being a pest, we stopped using the Feliway plug ins... but still
> have them if they work for couch peeing episodes!!  Keep us posted!!
> BTW - We started using it because there was someone on the FIP list a
while
> back who used it in her clinic and noticed an amazing difference.  She
swore
> by the stuff... which is why we tried it.
> Leslie =^..^=
>
>
> On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all, I've stepped up the Feliway plug-ins and wondered what others
> think of the number--too few? Not enough? I'm using 4 total at present.
> > I have a 2-bedroom place, about 1000 feet total, but mostly open-plan.
> > The 2 bedrooms (each abt 10x10) and the bathroom have doors,
obviously,
> but living/dining area (20 x10) and kitchen (10x10) are open-plan and
> connected via a narrow 12 feet hallway. I've put two plug-ins total in
the
> living/dining area; plus one in the kitchen; and one in bedroom 1 (which
is
> the ferals' room; door is kept closed). I don't have one in the hallway
or
> bedroom 2 that bedroom door is usually kept half-open on to the
> living-room/dining area. Maybe I should add one to bedroom 2 and/or
hallway?
> (I'm desperate to integrate Mickey and Momcat now they're negative but
> Mickey has a habit of peeing when he runs free in the aptment-floor
and
> sofa and my bed are his locations of choice, so far.)
> > My tame cats are not welcoming even though they've all been living in
same
> house albeit not in the same living space for 3 years. My 2 male tame
cats
> growl non-stop when Mickey comes trotting down the hallway, and they
don't
> stop growling until the poor little fellow eventually runs back into his
own
> room. (Momcat hasn't ventured forth at all yet.)
> > I've begun swopping tame/feral catbeds around. Hasn't helped yet.
Maybe I
> need to do more swopping.
> >
> > All opinions/comments/suggs for harmonious living welcome! Kerry M.
> >
> >
> --
> Leslie =^..^=
>
> To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
> patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have
succeeded.  That
> only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
> ---Ralph Waldo Emerson


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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[TenHouseCats]

don't forget whenever you're buying anything online to check places
like www.bizrate.com or www.shop.com to compare prices--you will be
amazed at the range.

sometime last year i did a search on the feliway diffusers--it's sure
to be in the archives!

On 1/8/07, Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I think using enough... or more than enough in the plug-ins is the answer.
We had 10 -12 running at any one time in our 3,000 square foot house.  So I
would say 4 is good for your space... but certainly too little defeats the
purpose (so I'd run heavy rather than light).  We noticed a HUGE difference
in aggression with Feli-way... but had never used it to stop or curb
improper elimination problems...  I'd be interested to hear if it helps you
eventually.  We've got a new kitty that has "issues" too...   Once Rudy
stopped being a pest, we stopped using the Feliway plug ins... but still
have them if they work for couch peeing episodes!!  Keep us posted!!
BTW - We started using it because there was someone on the FIP list a while
back who used it in her clinic and noticed an amazing difference.  She swore
by the stuff... which is why we tried it.
Leslie =^..^=


On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi all, I've stepped up the Feliway plug-ins and wondered what others
think of the number--too few? Not enough? I'm using 4 total at present.
> I have a 2-bedroom place, about 1000 feet total, but mostly open-plan.
> The 2 bedrooms (each abt 10x10) and the bathroom have doors, obviously,
but living/dining area (20 x10) and kitchen (10x10) are open-plan and
connected via a narrow 12 feet hallway. I've put two plug-ins total in the
living/dining area; plus one in the kitchen; and one in bedroom 1 (which is
the ferals' room; door is kept closed). I don't have one in the hallway or
bedroom 2 that bedroom door is usually kept half-open on to the
living-room/dining area. Maybe I should add one to bedroom 2 and/or hallway?
(I'm desperate to integrate Mickey and Momcat now they're negative but
Mickey has a habit of peeing when he runs free in the aptment-floor and
sofa and my bed are his locations of choice, so far.)
> My tame cats are not welcoming even though they've all been living in same
house albeit not in the same living space for 3 years. My 2 male tame cats
growl non-stop when Mickey comes trotting down the hallway, and they don't
stop growling until the poor little fellow eventually runs back into his own
room. (Momcat hasn't ventured forth at all yet.)
> I've begun swopping tame/feral catbeds around. Hasn't helped yet. Maybe I
need to do more swopping.
>
> All opinions/comments/suggs for harmonious living welcome! Kerry M.
>
>
--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson



--
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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

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MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Leslie Lawther]

*I think using enough... or more than enough in the plug-ins is the answer.
We had 10 -12 running at any one time in our 3,000 square foot house.  So I
would say 4 is good for your space... but certainly too little defeats the
purpose (so I'd run heavy rather than light).  We noticed a HUGE difference
in aggression with Feli-way... but had never used it to stop or curb
improper elimination problems...  I'd be interested to hear if it helps you
eventually.  We've got a new kitty that has "issues" too...   Once Rudy
stopped being a pest, we stopped using the Feliway plug ins... but still
have them if they work for couch peeing episodes!!  Keep us posted!!*
*BTW - We started using it because there was someone on the FIP list a while
back who used it in her clinic and noticed an amazing difference.  She swore
by the stuff... which is why we tried it.*
*Leslie =^..^=*


On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Hi all, I've stepped up the Feliway plug-ins and wondered what others
think of the number--too few? Not enough? I'm using 4 total at present.
I have a 2-bedroom place, about 1000 feet total, but mostly open-plan.
The 2 bedrooms (each abt 10x10) and the bathroom have doors, obviously,
but living/dining area (20 x10) and kitchen (10x10) are open-plan and
connected via a narrow 12 feet hallway. I've put two plug-ins total in the
living/dining area; plus one in the kitchen; and one in bedroom 1 (which is
the ferals' room; door is kept closed). I don't have one in the hallway or
bedroom 2 that bedroom door is usually kept half-open on to the
living-room/dining area. Maybe I should add one to bedroom 2 and/or hallway?
(I'm desperate to integrate Mickey and Momcat now they're negative but
Mickey has a habit of peeing when he runs free in the aptment-floor and
sofa and my bed are his locations of choice, so far.)
My tame cats are not welcoming even though they've all been living in same
house albeit not in the same living space for 3 years. My 2 male tame cats
growl non-stop when Mickey comes trotting down the hallway, and they don't
stop growling until the poor little fellow eventually runs back into his own
room. (Momcat hasn't ventured forth at all yet.)
I've begun swopping tame/feral catbeds around. Hasn't helped yet. Maybe I
need to do more swopping.
 All opinions/comments/suggs for harmonious living welcome!
 Kerry M.


--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Hi all, I've stepped up the Feliway plug-ins and wondered what others
think of the number--too few? Not enough? I'm using 4 total at present. 
I have a 2-bedroom place, about 1000 feet total, but mostly open-plan. 
The 2 bedrooms (each abt 10x10) and the bathroom have doors, obviously,
but living/dining area (20 x10) and kitchen (10x10) are open-plan and
connected via a narrow 12 feet hallway. I've put two plug-ins total in
the living/dining area; plus one in the kitchen; and one in bedroom 1
(which is the ferals' room; door is kept closed). I don't have one in
the hallway or bedroom 2 that bedroom door is usually kept half-open on
to the living-room/dining area. Maybe I should add one to bedroom 2
and/or hallway? (I'm desperate to integrate Mickey and Momcat now
they're negative but Mickey has a habit of peeing when he runs free in
the aptment-floor and sofa and my bed are his locations of choice,
so far.)
My tame cats are not welcoming even though they've all been living in
same house albeit not in the same living space for 3 years. My 2 male
tame cats growl non-stop when Mickey comes trotting down the hallway,
and they don't stop growling until the poor little fellow eventually
runs back into his own room. (Momcat hasn't ventured forth at all yet.)
I've begun swopping tame/feral catbeds around. Hasn't helped yet. Maybe
I need to do more swopping.
All opinions/comments/suggs for harmonious living welcome!
 Kerry M.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Finding her a home of her own in the future may be a really good thing.
Right now, lose on top of lose on top of lose it would be so hard on
her.  
 
I don't care for the plugins at all.  Others like them.  I can control
what the spray is on and not on.  And it has just worked better for me.
Someone on the list mentioned a knock off that works as well as Feliway.
Some of the super chains like Meijer's has it (at a lot lower cost than
vets etc).  I think the last I bought was about $15 a bottle.  Don't
even ask what the first bottle cost.
 
 
 
 
 If you have men who
will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

Hi Marylyn,
 
I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people,
rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a
kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough
attention (in my opinion).  But that may not be what she wants.  It is
difficult for me to tell yet.  
 
I will get some Feliway spray next payday.  What do you think of
the plugins?  Are they also usefull, or not?

 
On 1/3/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least
for a long time.  Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her
mind  Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet
her.  Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and
with several ferals.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 If you
have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from
the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will
deal likewise with their fellow man.

St. Francis


- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

 
She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole
bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her
paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.).
 
I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her

RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Re Feliway, agree, I don't know if mine are doing any good or
not--Mickey is still prone to peeing on sofa when he mixes with my tame
cats--but I'm continuing to use as manufacturer recommends 90 days to
see change of behavior. FYI, however, for those who do use Feliway--my
local Petsmart matches the price of any internet price. The internet
price was $28 for plug-in (bad enough I know); Petsmart store price
$43!!. So I guess I did feel good about "saving" $15 per plug in. 
Maybe I'll start using the spray more--I have At-Ease, which is cheaper
(thanks for the tip Nina!). 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Finding her a home of her own in the future may be a really good thing.
Right now, lose on top of lose on top of lose it would be so hard on
her.  
 
I don't care for the plugins at all.  Others like them.  I can control
what the spray is on and not on.  And it has just worked better for me.
Someone on the list mentioned a knock off that works as well as Feliway.
Some of the super chains like Meijer's has it (at a lot lower cost than
vets etc).  I think the last I bought was about $15 a bottle.  Don't
even ask what the first bottle cost.
 
 
 
 
 If you have men who
will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

Hi Marylyn,
 
I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people,
rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a
kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough
attention (in my opinion).  But that may not be what she wants.  It is
difficult for me to tell yet.  
 
I will get some Feliway spray next payday.  What do you think of
the plugins?  Are they also usefull, or not?

 
On 1/3/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least
for a long time.  Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her
mind  Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet
her.  Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and
with several ferals.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 If you
have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from
the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will
deal likewise with their fellow man.

St. Francis


- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

 
She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole
bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her
paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.).
 
I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on
anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are
working.  I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this
point.  

 
On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote: 

This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is
a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange
fragrance.

 
 
 
 
 
 

If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures

from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 

will deal likewise with their fellow man.

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Gina WN]

She has a gorgeous face!  I so hope she comes around.
   
  Gina

Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I took some pictures of her, if anyone wants to see:
   
  http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg
   
  http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline1.jpg

 
  On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   It always scares me 
when they won't eat.  Especially since I could not even have syringe fed her.   
 

  On 1/3/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: I wouldn't do the 
anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food.  I'm so glad she's coming around 
- thought she would.   
 
  Gloria

 
  
On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me 
come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this 
time, though.).
   
  I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if 
she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can take a 
chance on adopting her out at this point.  

 
  On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:   This is very true.  
Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a 
strange fragrance.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
- Original Message - 
  From: tamara stickler 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
  
 
Kelley,
   
  Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a while to 
get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked.

Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8 
weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many 
shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff 
joint).  
   
  She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when 
she hears it.
   
  Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go 
in her room, but she pays no mind to them).

 
  On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Keep in mind that 
apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give her time, and try tasty stuff 
(like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly.   
 
  Gloria

 
  
 
  
On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

  Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her regular food 
(they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - 
my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food.  
Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get 
her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I just have 
to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white 
bread - they think that is the best thing going! 

  On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:   Not only can I not 
touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being 
in danger of losing a finger.  

  On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   If you are 
able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be 
compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her 
ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it 
because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the 
benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the 
benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is 
noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl 
she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is 
quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. 
  Michelle




  
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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Gina WN]

Awww Miranda is beautiful!  She's so fluffy, just like my Taylor :)
   
  Gina
   
  
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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

It's too soon to even consider anxiety meds. If she still wont let you be in
the same room as her without growling in a MONTH, then it's more serious. I
wouldn't expect to touch her for a month or longer. And forcing the issue
and pushing her too soon will do more harm than good. You should be going in
to give her food, and sitting on the floor AWAY from her, and NOT
approaching her at all at this point. You should by all means let HER come
to YOU. Talk calmly, don't approach her, and don't make eye contact. Keep
your shoulders from squaring up on her, keep them angled so she doesn't feel
trapped by your presence. You are pushing this cat way too soon, you should
NOT be trying to touch her. Working with traumatized rescue cats takes lots
of time, money, and patience. Please don't try to rush, rushing never
accomplishes anything but stress.

Phaewryn

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Why would anyone take the hard way out?
"The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the
window."

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To Kelley: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[wendy]

Hey Kelley,

I hope your new 'feral' kitty is doing well today.  I
read all the threads today on her, and it sounds like
things are slowly going to work out.  Thank goodness
she is eating!-I would have been panicked about that
too.  Keep us posted on her!

:)
Wendy

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Belinda]

   Kelley,
  She is just beautiful, I'm glad she is making positive strides.  Poor 
baby losing everything that is familiar to her.


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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Leslie Lawther]

*She's gorgeous!!!  Thanks for sharing pictures...*

--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[G. Lane]

I couldn't get the 1st one to load, but got the 2nd.  She's gorgeous 
- I can almost hear her purrr!


Thanks,

Gloria

At 07:13 PM 1/3/2007, you wrote:

I took some pictures of her, if anyone wants to see:

<http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg>http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg

http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline1.jpg


On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika 
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It always scares me when they won't eat.  Especially since I could 
not even have syringe fed her.



On 1/3/07, Gloria Lane 
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat 
food.  I'm so glad she's coming around - thought she would.



Gloria



On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and 
let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to 
stop me (no claws this time, though.).


I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, 
but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't 
think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point.



On 1/2/07, Marylyn 
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, 
snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.







 If you have men 
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal 
likewise with their fellow man.


St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>tamara stickler
To: <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Kelley,

Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a 
while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used 
perfume or smoked.


Kelley Saveika <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her 
since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's 
had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here 
seems to be quite the ripoff joint).


She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses 
at me when she hears it.


Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when 
they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).



On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane 
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give 
her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great 
idea). Talk to her soothingly.



Gloria





On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her 
regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill 
pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried 
shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food.  Next I am going to 
try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her 
to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I 
just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats, 
maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going!


On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika 
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a 
foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.


On 12/30/06, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to 
prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into 
transdermal cream to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on 
this for years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it because she was 
pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl 
stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and 
the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it 
to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes 
even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not 
seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and 
energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess.

Michelle




--
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<http://www.rescuties.org/>http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

<http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20>http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 










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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

She is wonderful just terrified as any of us would be.  Keep putting yourself 
in her place, small, homeless suddenly, new noises and smells ..it 
is just awful for her but she is coming around and is beginning to understand 
you mean her no harm.  What we do to these little ones.  Keep talking to her 
and explaining things to her.  She really is calming down to the point that she 
can understand.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:13 PM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  I took some pictures of her, if anyone wants to see:

  http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg

  http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline1.jpg

   
  On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
It always scares me when they won't eat.  Especially since I could not even 
have syringe fed her.  



On 1/3/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food.  I'm so 
glad she's coming around - thought she would. 

   
  Gloria

   


  On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let 
me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws 
this time, though.).

I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but 
if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can take 
a chance on adopting her out at this point.  

 
On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, 
snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.






   If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: tamara stickler 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

 
Kelley,

Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a 
while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or 
smoked.

Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her 
since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too 
many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the 
ripoff joint).  

  She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses 
at me when she hears it.

  Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out 
when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).

   
  On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  
Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk 
to her soothingly. 

 
Gloria

 

 


On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


  Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried 
her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with 
no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce 
treats, and canned food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can 
syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually 
involves food.  So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my 
cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! 


  On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than 
about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.  


On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Nina]

She's purrdy, but she looks mad in the second picture.  My Matilda the 
Hun's pictures look the same way.  I swear, she does get pleasant 
expressions on her face, just not often enough to snap a picture of them!

N

Kelley Saveika wrote:

I took some pictures of her, if anyone wants to see:
 
http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg
 
http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline1.jpg

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

I took some pictures of her, if anyone wants to see:

http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg

http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline1.jpg


On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It always scares me when they won't eat.  Especially since I could not
even have syringe fed her.

On 1/3/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food.  I'm so
> glad she's coming around - thought she would.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>  On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
>
>  She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let
> me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no
> claws this time, though.).
>
> I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but
> if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can
> take a chance on adopting her out at this point.
>
>
> On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >  This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat,
> > snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  If you have men who
> > will exclude any of God's creatures
> >  from the shelter of
> > compassion and pity, you will have men who
> >  will deal likewise
> > with their fellow man.
> >   St.
> > Francis
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
> >
> >
> >  Kelley,
> >
> > Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a
> > while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or
> > smoked.
> >
> > *Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
> >
> > No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since
> > 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too
> > many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite
> > the ripoff joint).
> >
> > She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at
> > me when she hears it.
> >
> > Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when
> > they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).
> >
> >
> > On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give
> > > her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk 
to
> > > her soothingly.
> > >
> > > Gloria
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her
> > > regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with 
no
> > > pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce
> > > treats, and canned food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I 
can
> > > syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which
> > > usually involves food.  So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess.
> > > Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is
> > > the best thing going!
> > >
> > > On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a
> > > > foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.
> > > >
> > > > On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to
> > > > > prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into
> > > > > transdermal cream to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this 
for
> > > > > years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it because she was pulling her 
fur
> > > > > out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But 
she also
>

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

It always scares me when they won't eat.  Especially since I could not even
have syringe fed her.

On 1/3/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food.  I'm so
glad she's coming around - thought she would.

Gloria



 On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

 She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me
come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws
this time, though.).

I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if
she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can take
a chance on adopting her out at this point.


On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled
> at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  If you have men who
> will exclude any of God's creatures
>  from the shelter of
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>  will deal likewise with
> their fellow man.
>   St.
> Francis
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
>
>
>  Kelley,
>
> Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a while
> to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked.
>
> *Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8
> weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many
> shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the
> ripoff joint).
>
> She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me
> when she hears it.
>
> Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they
> go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).
>
>
> On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give
> > her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to
> > her soothingly.
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> >
> > Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her
> > regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no
> > pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce
> > treats, and canned food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can
> > syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which
> > usually involves food.  So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess.
> > Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is
> > the best thing going!
> >
> > On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a
> > > foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.
> > >
> > > On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to
> > > > prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into
> > > > transdermal cream to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this 
for
> > > > years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it because she was pulling her 
fur
> > > > out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she 
also
> > > > used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped 
that
> > > > too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes 
after
> > > > Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. 
It
> > > > does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and 
energetic--
> > > > but just takes the edge off I guess.
> > > > Michelle
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> > >
> > > http://www.rescuties.org
> > >
> > > Vist the Rescuties

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Gloria Lane]

I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food.  I'm  
so glad she's coming around - thought she would.


Gloria


On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and  
let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to  
stop me (no claws this time, though.).


I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds,  
but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't  
think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point.



On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat,  
snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.







 If you have men  
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter  
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise  
with their fellow man.
   
St. Francis

- Original Message -
From: tamara stickler
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Kelley,

Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a  
while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used  
perfume or smoked.


Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her  
since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's  
had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here  
seems to be quite the ripoff joint).


She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses  
at me when she hears it.


Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when  
they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).



On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give  
her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great  
idea). Talk to her soothingly.



Gloria





On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her  
regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill  
pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried  
shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food.  Next I am going to  
try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her  
to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I  
just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats,  
maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing  
going!


On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a  
foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.


On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to  
prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into  
transdermal cream to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on  
this for years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it because she was  
pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl  
stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and  
the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it  
to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes  
even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not  
seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and  
energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess.

Michelle



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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Nina]

Hooray!  That's wonderful progress.  Try not to push her.  I would wait 
and see if she approaches you, or at least ask her permission to graze 
her with your touch.  I wouldn't even be thinking about adopting her out 
at this point.  Let her get used to the fact that switching homes means 
a step up on her situation first.  After she's wonderful with you, I'd 
ask friendly humans to come around her and when she gets to feeling safe 
around new people, then I'd start to consider adoption.

Patience my dear,
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:
She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let 
me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me 
(no claws this time, though.).
 
I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, 
but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't 
think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

Amen to that.  They really do understand much more than we think.  And they 
tend to take on blame that is not theirs.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: TenHouseCats 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:48 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  one thing i would do, kelley, is talk to her--explain to her that it's not 
her fault that she lost her first home, that she's still a lovable creature and 
that sometimes people break their promises to small furry ones. and let her 
know the difference between foster homes and forever homes, so that she 
understands that she won't be with you forever (unless that's where she's meant 
to be)--otherwise, she's gonna go through the same trauma all over again. i 
know they supposedly don't understand our words, but when we verbalize things, 
they seem to pick up the ideas. i've seen many cats come into shelters very 
depressed who perk up, and are able to put their best paws forward, when 
reassured that it wasn't anything about THEM that caused them to be there. 

  and she may actually feel safer, right now, in the anonymity of chaos, 
because it doesn't require her to give more than she can right now--in a 
single-cat household, she might be expected to be more affectionate and loving 
and trusting than she is capable of being. lots of cats get returned to 
shelters within the first day or so because they hide, or aren't friendly 
enough. 


  On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Marylyn,

I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than 
being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room 
to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion).  But 
that may not be what she wants.  It is difficult for me to tell yet.  

I will get some Feliway spray next payday.  What do you think of the 
plugins?  Are they also usefull, or not?

 
On 1/3/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. 
 Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind  Try putting 
feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her.  Honestly, it helped so 
much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM 
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat 

 
She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let 
me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws 
this time, though.).

I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but 
if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can take 
a chance on adopting her out at this point.  

 
On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, 
snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.






   If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: tamara stickler 
    To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM 
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat 

 
Kelley,

Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a 
while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or 
smoked.

Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[TenHouseCats]

one thing i would do, kelley, is talk to her--explain to her that it's not
her fault that she lost her first home, that she's still a lovable creature
and that sometimes people break their promises to small furry ones. and let
her know the difference between foster homes and forever homes, so that she
understands that she won't be with you forever (unless that's where she's
meant to be)--otherwise, she's gonna go through the same trauma all over
again. i know they supposedly don't understand our words, but when we
verbalize things, they seem to pick up the ideas. i've seen many cats come
into shelters very depressed who perk up, and are able to put their best
paws forward, when reassured that it wasn't anything about THEM that caused
them to be there.

and she may actually feel safer, right now, in the anonymity of chaos,
because it doesn't require her to give more than she can right now--in a
single-cat household, she might be expected to be more affectionate and
loving and trusting than she is capable of being. lots of cats get returned
to shelters within the first day or so because they hide, or aren't friendly
enough.

On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Marylyn,

I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than
being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some
room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my
opinion).  But that may not be what she wants.  It is difficult for me to
tell yet.

I will get some Feliway spray next payday.  What do you think of the
plugins?  Are they also usefull, or not?


On 1/3/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long
> time.  Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind  Try
> putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her.  Honestly, it
> helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  If you have men who
> will exclude any of God's creatures
>  from the shelter of
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>  will deal likewise with
> their fellow man.
>   St.
> Francis
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>  *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM
> *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
>
>
> She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let
> me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no
> claws this time, though.).
>
> I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but
> if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can
> take a chance on adopting her out at this point.
>
>
> On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >  This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat,
> > snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  If you have men who
> > will exclude any of God's creatures
> >  from the shelter of
> > compassion and pity, you will have men who
> >  will deal likewise
> > with their fellow man.
> >   St.
> > Francis
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
> >
> >
> >  Kelley,
> >
> > Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a
> > while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or
> > smoked.
> >
> > *Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
> >
> > No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since
> > 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too
> > many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite
> > the ripoff joint).
> >
> > She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at
> > me when she hears it.
> >
> > Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

Finding her a home of her own in the future may be a really good thing.  Right 
now, lose on top of lose on top of lose it would be so hard on her.  

I don't care for the plugins at all.  Others like them.  I can control what the 
spray is on and not on.  And it has just worked better for me.  Someone on the 
list mentioned a knock off that works as well as Feliway.  Some of the super 
chains like Meijer's has it (at a lot lower cost than vets etc).  I think the 
last I bought was about $15 a bottle.  Don't even ask what the first bottle 
cost.




 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:34 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Hi Marylyn,

  I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than 
being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room 
to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion).  But 
that may not be what she wants.  It is difficult for me to tell yet.  

  I will get some Feliway spray next payday.  What do you think of the plugins? 
 Are they also usefull, or not?

   
  On 1/3/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time.  
Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind  Try putting 
feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her.  Honestly, it helped so 
much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

   
  She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me 
come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this 
time, though.).

  I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but 
if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can take 
a chance on adopting her out at this point.  

   
  On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled 
at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.






 If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: tamara stickler 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
      Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

   
  Kelley,

  Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a 
while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or 
smoked.

  Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her 
since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too 
many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the 
ripoff joint).  

She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses 
at me when she hears it.

Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when 
they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).

 
On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  
Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk 
to her soothingly. 

   
  Gloria

   

   


  On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrot

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Leslie Lawther]

*YEEES!  Plug-Ins are great... that is what has worked for us.  Especially
if she's in a room by herself.  That gives her a constant flow of
pheromones.  I'm sure you can use the spray as an additional boost.  You
just have to be sure that you don't let the plug-in run dry and stay plugged
in.  I'm a fanatic about fire hazards... and they do get hot if they have no
fluid in them.*
*Leslie =^..^=*


On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Marylyn,

I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than
being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some
room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my
opinion).  But that may not be what she wants.  It is difficult for me to
tell yet.

I will get some Feliway spray next payday.  What do you think of the
plugins?  Are they also usefull, or not?


On 1/3/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long
> time.  Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind  Try
> putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her.  Honestly, it
> helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  If you have men who
> will exclude any of God's creatures
>  from the shelter of
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>  will deal likewise with
> their fellow man.
>   St.
> Francis
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>  *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM
> *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
>
>
> She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let
> me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no
> claws this time, though.).
>
> I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but
> if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can
> take a chance on adopting her out at this point.
>
>
> On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >  This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat,
> > snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  If you have men who
> > will exclude any of God's creatures
> >  from the shelter of
> > compassion and pity, you will have men who
> >  will deal likewise
> > with their fellow man.
> >   St.
> > Francis
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
> >
> >
> >  Kelley,
> >
> > Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a
> > while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or
> > smoked.
> >
> > *Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
> >
> > No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since
> > 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too
> > many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite
> > the ripoff joint).
> >
> > She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at
> > me when she hears it.
> >
> > Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when
> > they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).
> >
> >
> > On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give
> > > her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk 
to
> > > her soothingly.
> > >
> > > Gloria
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her
> > > regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with 
no
> > > 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

Hi Marylyn,

I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than
being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some
room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my
opinion).  But that may not be what she wants.  It is difficult for me to
tell yet.

I will get some Feliway spray next payday.  What do you think of the
plugins?  Are they also usefull, or not?


On 1/3/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long
time.  Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind  Try
putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her.  Honestly, it
helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals.







 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM
*Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me
come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws
this time, though.).

I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if
she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can take
a chance on adopting her out at this point.


On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled
> at a friend who had on a strange fragrance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  If you have men who
> will exclude any of God's creatures
>  from the shelter of
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>  will deal likewise with
> their fellow man.
>   St.
> Francis
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
>
>
>  Kelley,
>
> Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a while
> to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked.
>
> *Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8
> weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many
> shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the
> ripoff joint).
>
> She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me
> when she hears it.
>
> Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they
> go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).
>
>
> On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give
> > her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to
> > her soothingly.
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> >
> > Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her
> > regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no
> > pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce
> > treats, and canned food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can
> > syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which
> > usually involves food.  So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess.
> > Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is
> > the best thing going!
> >
> > On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a
> > > foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.
> > >
> > > On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to
> > > > prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy int

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time.  Can 
you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind  Try putting 
feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her.  Honestly, it helped so 
much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me 
come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this 
time, though.).

  I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if 
she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can take a 
chance on adopting her out at this point.  

   
  On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a 
friend who had on a strange fragrance.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: tamara stickler 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

   
  Kelley,

  Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a while 
to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked.

  Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8 
weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many 
shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff 
joint).  

She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me 
when she hears it.

Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when 
they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).

 
On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give 
her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to 
her soothingly. 

   
  Gloria

   

   


  On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her 
regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no 
pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, 
and canned food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe 
her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves 
food.  So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats, 
maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! 


On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about 
a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.  


  On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to 
prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal 
cream to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for 
anxiety.  She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her 
belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go 
after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I 
forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and 
sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem 
to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes 
the edge off I guess. 
Michelle




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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

She's MUCH better as of last night.  Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me
come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws
this time, though.).

I'm not sure of the next step.  I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if
she's ok with me I won't know if they are working.  I don't think I can take
a chance on adopting her out at this point.


On 1/2/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at
a friend who had on a strange fragrance.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
*Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


 Kelley,

Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a while to
get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked.

*Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8
weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many
shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the
ripoff joint).

She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me
when she hears it.

Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they
go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).


On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give her
> time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her
> soothingly.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
>
> Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her regular
> food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills
> in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and
> canned food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe
> her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually
> involves food.  So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from
> my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing
> going!
>
> On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a
> > foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.
> >
> > On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >  If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe
> > > benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream
> > > to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.
> > > She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and
> > > back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after 
the
> > > other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to
> > > give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes
> > > even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to 
make
> > > her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the
> > > edge off I guess.
> > > Michelle
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> >
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> >
> > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> >
> > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> >
>
>
>
>



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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

This is very true.  Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a 
friend who had on a strange fragrance.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: tamara stickler 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Kelley,

  Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a while to 
get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked.

  Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8 
weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many 
shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff 
joint).  

She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me 
when she hears it.

Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go 
in her room, but she pays no mind to them).

 
On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give her 
time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her 
soothingly. 

   
  Gloria

   

   


  On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her regular 
food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in 
them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned 
food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I 
can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I 
just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats, maybe I should 
try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! 


On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a 
foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.  


  On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe 
benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to 
rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.  She 
was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back 
legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other 
cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to 
her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With 
the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at 
all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. 
Michelle




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  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! 

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 



   



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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[G. Lane]

Great!  Sounds like she's doing well and coming round.  It's a big 
shock leaving the home you've known..


Gloria



At 12:13 PM 1/2/2007, you wrote:
Apparently the only scent I wear is cat pee, according to my 
coworkers, but that's another thread:p.


I don't smoke.

She is a LITTLE better.  She ate enough canned food to produce a 
bowel movement.  She's still not eating what I think she should, 
though - especially since her former guardian said she was a very 
enthusiastic eater and would make friends with the person who fed her.



On 1/2/07, tamara stickler 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kelley,

Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a 
while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used 
perfume or smoked.


Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her 
since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's 
had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here 
seems to be quite the ripoff joint).


She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at 
me when she hears it.


Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when 
they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).



On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give 
her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). 
Talk to her soothingly.



Gloria





On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her 
regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets 
(with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, 
yucky Pounce treats, and canned food.  Next I am going to try 
tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a 
vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I just 
have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats, maybe I 
should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going!


On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a 
foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.


On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe 
benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into 
transdermal cream to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on 
this for years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it because she was 
pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl 
stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the 
benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to 
her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes 
even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not 
seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- 
but just takes the edge off I guess.

Michelle




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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

Apparently the only scent I wear is cat pee, according to my coworkers, but
that's another thread:p.

I don't smoke.

She is a LITTLE better.  She ate enough canned food to produce a bowel
movement.  She's still not eating what I think she should, though -
especially since her former guardian said she was a very enthusiastic eater
and would make friends with the person who fed her.


On 1/2/07, tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Kelley,

Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a while to
get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked.

*Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8
weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many
shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the
ripoff joint).

She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me
when she hears it.

Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they
go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).


On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give her
> time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her
> soothingly.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
>
> Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her regular
> food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills
> in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and
> canned food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe
> her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually
> involves food.  So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from
> my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing
> going!
>
> On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a
> > foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.
> >
> > On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >  If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe
> > > benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream
> > > to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.
> > > She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and
> > > back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after 
the
> > > other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to
> > > give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes
> > > even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to 
make
> > > her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the
> > > edge off I guess.
> > > Michelle
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> >
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> >
> > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> >
> > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> >
>
>
>
>



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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[tamara stickler]

Kelley,
   
  Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a while to 
get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked.

Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8 
weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many 
shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff 
joint).  
   
  She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when 
she hears it.
   
  Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go 
in her room, but she pays no mind to them).

 
  On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Keep in mind that 
apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give her time, and try tasty stuff 
(like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly.   
 
  Gloria

 
  
 
  
On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

  Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her regular food 
(they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - 
my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food.  
Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get 
her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I just have 
to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white 
bread - they think that is the best thing going! 

  On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:   Not only can I not 
touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being 
in danger of losing a finger.  

  On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   If you are 
able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be 
compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her 
ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it 
because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the 
benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the 
benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is 
noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl 
she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is 
quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. 
  Michelle




  
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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

So is Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, Junior Partner (and a bunch of ferals I try to 
assist).  I stand by my Calico comments.  Dixie is not easily 
offended.The Royal Princess Kitty Katt stayed offended.  Grey/Blue 
tabbies are so easy to live with.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:08 PM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Oh, wow, my Miranda is technically a "blue tabby" then! All this time I have 
called her gray/silver.
  http://ucat.us/Miranda2005-2.jpg (granted the lighting here makes her look 
pink)
  http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-3.jpg 
  http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-4.jpg

  Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

Oh, wow, my Miranda is technically a "blue tabby" then! All this time I have
called her gray/silver.
http://ucat.us/Miranda2005-2.jpg (granted the lighting here makes her look
pink)
http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-3.jpg
http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-4.jpg

Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Nina]

Hi Kelley,
You can try an off brand of Feliway.  Petsmart sells one called "At 
Ease" by NaturVet.  I've used both and they seem pretty comparable. 

Your sweet Missy may rule the world, but I'm betting she does it with 
her charm and beauty.  I didn't even tell Ursula, (my Calico girl, who 
rules with an iron claw), what you said about Tabbies.  She's the reason 
I had to find a cheaper source for the Feliway spay and I didn't want to 
have to break it out again.

Nina


Kelley Saveika wrote:



On 1/1/07, *Marylyn* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


My apologies to Missy.  I can only speak from experience.  :))  By
the way, I know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby
look like?  You can imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of.


Of course, Missy is the most beautiful blue tabby in all the world:)

 
Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area?  It will

make her feel safer.  I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal
Princess Kitty Katt. 
 

 
Right now I honestly cannot afford it.  Hopefully next payday.

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[TenHouseCats]

And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement.  It is quite clear to us
that blue tabbies rule the world!:)




sigh, those blue ones--they're always SO jealous that they're missing the
red gene

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

On 1/1/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 My apologies to Missy.  I can only speak from experience.  :))  By the
way, I know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby look like?  You
can imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of.




Here are all the tabby colors:

A "brown tabby" has black stripes on a brownish or grayish ground color.
The black stripes may be coal black, or a little bit brownish.

A "blue tabby" has gray stripes on a grayish or buff ground color. The gray
stripes may be a dark slate gray, or a lighter blue-gray.

A "red tabby" has orange stripes on a cream ground color. The orange
stripes may be dark reddish orange, or light "marmalade" orange.

A "cream tabby" has cream stripes on a pale cream ground color. These
stripes look sand-colored or peach-colored rather than orange.

A "silver tabby" has black stripes on a white ground color. The roots of
the hairs are white.

You can also have a blue silver, cream silver, or red silver tabby
(red silver is also known as "cameo tabby") depending on the color
of the stripes. In all cases, silver tabbies have a pale ground color
and white roots. To make sure, part the hairs and look at the roots.



From http://www.petcaretips.net/cat_colors.html


Here is a picture of a blue tabby
http://www.nevas-berlin.de/Bilder/Wuerfe/N-Musikanten/Nacho/nacho-5w-1.jpg

Of course, Missy is the most beautiful blue tabby in all the world:)



Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area?  It will make her
feel safer.  I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal Princess Kitty
Katt.




Right now I honestly cannot afford it.  Hopefully next payday.




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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

My apologies to Missy.  I can only speak from experience.  :))  By the way, I 
know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby look like?  You can 
imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of.  

Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area?  It will make her feel 
safer.  I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:56 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Miss Caroline has gotten a TINY bit better.  I fixed her up a nest in the 
linen closet, with the door cracked open.  Sometimes she will go and get in it, 
and then the growling is not as severe.  Sometimes she chooses to still be in 
the sink, though, and then we get the growling, the bared teeth, tail swishing, 
and hissing. 

  She also has not eaten anything:(.  She has urinated a tiny bit in the litter 
box, so I guess she is drinking at least a small amount.

  And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement.  It is quite clear to us that 
blue tabbies rule the world!:)

   
  On 12/31/06, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
It is totally amazing how much the ones that require the most work and most 
patience come to mean to us.  This darling chose you.  You are honored beyond 
words.  

PS  I know what you mean about Calicos ruling the world---I had the 
privilege of living with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: TenHouseCats 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:06 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

   
  let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my 
psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4 weeks,  
and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was front-declawed as a 
baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new husband was worried about 
his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.)  the husband 
died, and the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was 
allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with her grandma, 
where she spent all her time hiding under the computer desk. 

  she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she 
was most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do 
the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite, 
i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet-me, pet-me routine she also 
looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years 
previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings 
that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT reliably a 
communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she has always 
been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and abandonment. 
i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, 
what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and 
i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt of mine to 
sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i was able to pick her 
up--the only person who could--and take her into the huge staff bathroom we 
had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just sit on the floor and leave her be. 
she'd sniff under the door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, 
headbonk, and demand petting in between her "i'm going to kill you, human" 
episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go ballistic when i 
went to put her back in the cage, but other than that, she was definitely 
calming down--for me, at least. 

  there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little 
awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so she 
went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and she 
continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so. 

  the s

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

Miss Caroline has gotten a TINY bit better.  I fixed her up a nest in the
linen closet, with the door cracked open.  Sometimes she will go and get in
it, and then the growling is not as severe.  Sometimes she chooses to still
be in the sink, though, and then we get the growling, the bared teeth, tail
swishing, and hissing.

She also has not eaten anything:(.  She has urinated a tiny bit in the
litter box, so I guess she is drinking at least a small amount.

And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement.  It is quite clear to us
that blue tabbies rule the world!:)


On 12/31/06, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 It is totally amazing how much the ones that require the most work and
most patience come to mean to us.  This darling chose you.  You are honored
beyond words.

PS  I know what you mean about Calicos ruling the world---I had
the privilege of living with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:06 AM
*Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my
psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4
weeks,  and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was
front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new
husband was worried about his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at
her heaviest.)  the husband died, and the baby was born--and it was one of
those babies who truly was allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey
went to live with her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the
computer desk.

she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she was
most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do
the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite,
i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet-me, pet-me routine she
also looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two
years previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with
markings that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT
reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she
has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and
abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away
from the teeth, what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to
her in her cage, and i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left
her a shirt of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following
days, i was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her
into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just
sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the door, come over and
nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and demand petting in between her
"i'm going to kill you, human" episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her
each day. she'd go ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but
other than that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least.

there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little
awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so
she went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and
she continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so.

the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could
decide whether she should be put up for adoption, and one of the members
decided that she could tame her, and took her home for two weeks. when she
came back, she was worse than when she'd first come into the shelter, poor
dear. the board had decided that she could only go to an only cat home, so i
would not be able to adopt her. i was broken hearted, and pretty much stayed
away from her, because i didn't want to get close to her again.

two weeks later, they told me i could take her if i wanted to, because i
was the only person she'd ever responded to, and otherwise they'd have to
euthanize her. i was ecstatic. i was concerned about how she'd do with the
fully-clawed cats in the house--ha! i swear this cat files her teeth down in
her spare time, they were in far more danger from her than she ever was from
them! it was awful--she was attacking them constantly, as she'd managed to
figure out how to reliably get out of the isolati

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

It is totally amazing how much the ones that require the most work and most 
patience come to mean to us.  This darling chose you.  You are honored beyond 
words.  

PS  I know what you mean about Calicos ruling the world---I had the 
privilege of living with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: TenHouseCats 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:06 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my 
psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4 weeks,  
and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was front-declawed as a 
baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new husband was worried about 
his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.)  the husband 
died, and the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was 
allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with her grandma, 
where she spent all her time hiding under the computer desk. 

  she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she was 
most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do the 
headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite, 
i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet-me, pet-me routine she also 
looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years 
previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings 
that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT reliably a 
communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she has always 
been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and abandonment. 
i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, 
what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and 
i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt of mine to 
sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i was able to pick her 
up--the only person who could--and take her into the huge staff bathroom we 
had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just sit on the floor and leave her be. 
she'd sniff under the door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, 
headbonk, and demand petting in between her "i'm going to kill you, human" 
episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go ballistic when i 
went to put her back in the cage, but other than that, she was definitely 
calming down--for me, at least. 

  there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little awareness 
of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so she went into 
isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and she continued to 
respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so. 

  the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could 
decide whether she should be put up for adoption, and one of the members 
decided that she could tame her, and took her home for two weeks. when she came 
back, she was worse than when she'd first come into the shelter, poor dear. the 
board had decided that she could only go to an only cat home, so i would not be 
able to adopt her. i was broken hearted, and pretty much stayed away from her, 
because i didn't want to get close to her again. 

  two weeks later, they told me i could take her if i wanted to, because i was 
the only person she'd ever responded to, and otherwise they'd have to euthanize 
her. i was ecstatic. i was concerned about how she'd do with the fully-clawed 
cats in the house--ha! i swear this cat files her teeth down in her spare time, 
they were in far more danger from her than she ever was from them! it was 
awful--she was attacking them constantly, as she'd managed to figure out how to 
reliably get out of the isolation space. she was attacking everything, 
actually--furniture, stuffed animals, me i had rescue remedy in a  carrier 
solution which i could spray on her and the surroundings, and it seemed to help 
a bit, but after two weeks, it was rapidly becoming clear that something had to 
change. i was up on the bed with her, and i was in tears. she was letting me 
pet her, and i asked her if she really wanted to be on this earth any longer, 
that she was terrorizing the other cats and drawing way too much of my blood, 
and that things just could not go on like this. the little motley pun

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[TenHouseCats]

well, yes, i was positive when i wrote it, but now i can't remember for
sure. of course, you know my memory is becoming progressively more
randomly accessible as i age. so i'm sitting here trying to visualize
what's written on that little index card, and the level of med in the
syringe--but which size syringe am i seeing? one of the 1cc, or one of the
3ccs? oh, no, now i'm gonna have to go search through 320GB of hard-drive
space to see where the heck i saved it...

On 12/31/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 .25MG? Are you sure about that MC? That isn't enough to do anything, I
don't think. The standard does is 12.5MG.

Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Gloria Lane]

Beautiful story, MC - Thanks.

Gloria


On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:06 AM, TenHouseCats wrote:

let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to  
as my psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was  
rescued at 4 weeks,  and lived with one woman til she was 5 years  
old. she was front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around  
3, because the new husband was worried about his hardwood floors.  
(the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.)  the husband died, and  
the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was  
allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with  
her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the computer  
desk.


she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that  
she was most probably going to have to be euthed because she was  
nuts she'd do the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me,  
hiss, growl, bite, i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet- 
me, pet-me routine she also looked almost identical to my  
FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years previously--and as  
you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings that  
similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT  
reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me,  
and she has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and  
acting out of fear and abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no  
claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, what's she gonna  
do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and i  
promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt  
of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i  
was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her  
into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys,  
and just sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the  
door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and  
demand petting in between her "i'm going to kill you, human"  
episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go  
ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but other than  
that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least.


there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little  
awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one  
day, so she went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to  
work with her, and she continued to respond. she was still nuts,  
mind you, but less so.


the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they  
could decide whether she should be put up for adoption, and one of  
the members decided that she could tame her, and took her home for  
two weeks. when she came back, she was worse than when she'd first  
come into the shelter, poor dear. the board had decided that she  
could only go to an only cat home, so i would not be able to adopt  
her. i was broken hearted, and pretty much stayed away from her,  
because i didn't want to get close to her again.


two weeks later, they told me i could take her if i wanted to,  
because i was the only person she'd ever responded to, and  
otherwise they'd have to euthanize her. i was ecstatic. i was  
concerned about how she'd do with the fully-clawed cats in the  
house--ha! i swear this cat files her teeth down in her spare time,  
they were in far more danger from her than she ever was from them!  
it was awful--she was attacking them constantly, as she'd managed  
to figure out how to reliably get out of the isolation space. she  
was attacking everything, actually--furniture, stuffed animals,  
me i had rescue remedy in a  carrier solution which i could  
spray on her and the surroundings, and it seemed to help a bit, but  
after two weeks, it was rapidly becoming clear that something had  
to change. i was up on the bed with her, and i was in tears. she  
was letting me pet her, and i asked her if she really wanted to be  
on this earth any longer, that she was terrorizing the other cats  
and drawing way too much of my blood, and that things just could  
not go on like this. the little motley punk climbed onto my lap,  
and purred for 45 minutes. and things began to get better from then  
on.


that was seven and a half years ago. she STILL hates other cats,  
and will still attack stuffed animals when hissed off. she told me,  
after a bit, that she would NEVER be a pet again, because it hurt  
too much. that MAYBE, if i kept her as long as her first mom had,  
she would CONSIDER really trusting me this is a cat who did NOT  
purr--very occasionally she would practice what she insisted was  
"rhythmic growling," and would stop as soon as she was caught at  
it. (once we actually had the vet come out, because she'd been  
purring constantly, and we knew that there was something wrong!

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[TenHouseCats]

let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my
psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4
weeks,  and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was
front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new
husband was worried about his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at
her heaviest.)  the husband died, and the baby was born--and it was one of
those babies who truly was allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey
went to live with her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the
computer desk.

she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she was
most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do
the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite,
i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet-me, pet-me routine she
also looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two
years previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with
markings that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT
reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she
has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and
abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away
from the teeth, what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to
her in her cage, and i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left
her a shirt of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following
days, i was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her
into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just
sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the door, come over and
nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and demand petting in between her
"i'm going to kill you, human" episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her
each day. she'd go ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but
other than that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least.

there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little awareness
of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so she went
into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and she
continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so.

the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could
decide whether she should be put up for adoption, and one of the members
decided that she could tame her, and took her home for two weeks. when she
came back, she was worse than when she'd first come into the shelter, poor
dear. the board had decided that she could only go to an only cat home, so i
would not be able to adopt her. i was broken hearted, and pretty much stayed
away from her, because i didn't want to get close to her again.

two weeks later, they told me i could take her if i wanted to, because i was
the only person she'd ever responded to, and otherwise they'd have to
euthanize her. i was ecstatic. i was concerned about how she'd do with the
fully-clawed cats in the house--ha! i swear this cat files her teeth down in
her spare time, they were in far more danger from her than she ever was from
them! it was awful--she was attacking them constantly, as she'd managed to
figure out how to reliably get out of the isolation space. she was attacking
everything, actually--furniture, stuffed animals, me i had rescue remedy
in a  carrier solution which i could spray on her and the surroundings, and
it seemed to help a bit, but after two weeks, it was rapidly becoming clear
that something had to change. i was up on the bed with her, and i was in
tears. she was letting me pet her, and i asked her if she really wanted to
be on this earth any longer, that she was terrorizing the other cats and
drawing way too much of my blood, and that things just could not go on like
this. the little motley punk climbed onto my lap, and purred for 45 minutes.
and things began to get better from then on.

that was seven and a half years ago. she STILL hates other cats, and will
still attack stuffed animals when hissed off. she told me, after a bit, that
she would NEVER be a pet again, because it hurt too much. that MAYBE, if i
kept her as long as her first mom had, she would CONSIDER really trusting
me this is a cat who did NOT purr--very occasionally she would practice
what she insisted was "rhythmic growling," and would stop as soon as she was
caught at it. (once we actually had the vet come out, because she'd been
purring constantly, and we knew that there was something wrong!) almost five
years to the day from when she came to live with me, she started purring
more regularly she lived on top of the refrigerator for about 6 months
after we moved into one place; lived on top of my computer monitor for ages

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Lernermichelle]

 
You will need your vet to write a prescription for it if you want it  
compounded. Crazy, I know, because it is over-the-counter stuff, but if  
compounded 
it needs to be prescribed.
 
You can pill them. But it is a small fraction of a pill, and if pilling is  
stressful the compound is better. Much more expensive, though! 
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/30/2006 5:58:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle, 
I'm so glad you mentioned this.  My Phelix has the same problem with  pulling 
his hair out from his tummy and back legs...and he does tend to be  involved 
in some sibling rivalry on a regualr basis.  I'm going to go see  the 
compounding pharmacist here.  
 
elizabeth



 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Lernermichelle]

 
The Benadryl really works for Patches.  But I think (dont remember for  sure) 
the dose is about 1/6 of a pill at a time, or 1/3 of a pill. I don't think  
it is half a pill, but not sure. I get it compounded for her ears because she 
is  hard to pill and I was having to chase her around and tackle her to do it, 
while  she tried to kill me, and after a few days of it I realized it was 
probably not  so helpful to her anxiety to put her through that twice a day (or 
to 
mine!). 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/30/2006 10:56:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

And the Benadryl can be given  daily?  It really calms them down?  Who would 
have thought  it was so easy... and with something we actually have in the 
house!!  We  have another boy Angelo who used to be our alpha male and was 
overthrown  by our 25lb baby Rudy.  Now poor Angelo hides all the time and we 
feel  
terrible for him.  The vet prescribed some medication for him... but it  
didn't seem to work (we called them his "Superman Pills").  It's  heartbreaking 
to 
see him constantly looking for Rudy.  We resorted to  putting a large bell on 
Rudy's collar that is very different sounding from all  the other cats so 
Angelo could hear him... but if we could give them something  that doesn't make 
them loopy... yet will give him back a quality of life...  that would be 
great!! 
  Thanks a million Jennifer and  Michelle for the information!!  I'm giving 
it a try tonight!!  
Leslie  =^..^=

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Leslie Lawther]

*She sounds like one we got many years ago... we affectionately called her
"Shasta McNasty" - Now she's just Shasta.  She was THE nastiest cat I'd ever
encountered!  She finally came around and now is a love... but it took a
while.  I think those difficult ones tend to be extra special when you do
finally win their trust... it was with Shasta.*
*Leslie =^.^=*


On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8
weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many
shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the
ripoff joint).

She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me
when she hears it.

Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they
go in her room, but she pays no mind to them).


 On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give her
> time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her
> soothingly.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
>
> Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her regular
> food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills
> in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and
> canned food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe
> her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually
> involves food.  So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from
> my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing
> going!
>
> On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a
> > foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.
> >
> > On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >  If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe
> > > benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream
> > > to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.
> > > She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and
> > > back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after 
the
> > > other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to
> > > give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes
> > > even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to 
make
> > > her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the
> > > edge off I guess.
> > > Michelle
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> >
> > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
> >
> > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
> >
>
>
>
>



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patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8
weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many
shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the
ripoff joint).

She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when
she hears it.

Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go
in her room, but she pays no mind to them).


On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give her
time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her
soothingly.

Gloria





 On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her regular
food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills
in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and
canned food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe
her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually
involves food.  So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from
my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing
going!

On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot
> and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.
>
> On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe
> > benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream
> > to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.
> > She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and
> > back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the
> > other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to
> > give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes
> > even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make
> > her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the
> > edge off I guess.
> > Michelle
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>








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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Gloria Lane]

Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give  
her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea).  
Talk to her soothingly.


Gloria



On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her  
regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets  
(with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp,  
yucky Pounce treats, and canned food.  Next I am going to try  
tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a  
vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I just  
have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats, maybe I  
should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going!


On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a  
foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.


On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe  
benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into  
transdermal cream to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on  
this for years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it because she was  
pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl  
stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the  
benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to  
her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes  
even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not  
seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic--  
but just takes the edge off I guess.

Michelle



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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

Try KFC or some other very fried chicken without the skin.  And before it is 
refrigerated.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:28 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her regular food 
(they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - 
my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food.  
Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get 
her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I just have 
to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white 
bread - they think that is the best thing going! 


  On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and 
a half without being in danger of losing a finger.  


On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe 
benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to 
rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.  She 
was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back 
legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other 
cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to 
her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With 
the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at 
all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. 
  Michelle




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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! 

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  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! 

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

On the finger note:  Please be extremely careful about any bites.  I had a 
feral bite my little finger and break it (my fault entirely).  I had two 
surgeries and  more antibiotics than I ever thought possible. And I was being 
treated in an ER less than half an hour after the bite.  None of the doctors, 
especially the hand specialists, thought a 4 to 5 pound cat could possibly 
break a finer bone.  They can and the infections can be very costly in time, 
money, pain   I had been bitten before without problems and have 
been since but I watch a cat bite like you would not believe now.  And if it is 
anywhere near a bone I will have it x-rayed just to be sure.  The ER doctors 
were being very careful.  Most would not have bothered to x-ray it.  And I was 
being seen by hand specialists in less than 24 hours of the bite.  

This is rambling but I know you get the warning.  





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:10 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a 
half without being in danger of losing a finger.  


  On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe 
benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to 
rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.  She 
was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back 
legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other 
cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to 
her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With 
the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at 
all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. 
Michelle



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  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! 

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her regular food
(they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in
them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and
canned food.  Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe
her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually
involves food.  So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from
my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing
going!

On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot
and a half without being in danger of losing a finger.

On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe
> benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream
> to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.
> She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and
> back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the
> other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to
> give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes
> even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make
> her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the
> edge off I guess.
> Michelle
>



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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20





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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and
a half without being in danger of losing a finger.

On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe
benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream
to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.
She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and
back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the
other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to
give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes
even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make
her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the
edge off I guess.
Michelle





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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

.25MG? Are you sure about that MC? That isn't enough to do anything, I don't
think. The standard does is 12.5MG.

Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[TenHouseCats]

oops--that's .25/mg twice a day, per my vet

On 12/31/06, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


i've always given .25 ml of the pediatric liquid with the cats who can't
be pilled. no, they aren't fond of it, but i'm fonder of my fingers--and
for the behavioral hair-pulling/licking/scratching (which often starts out
as an actual allergic reaction then turns into a behavioral thing), it's
worked on many cats over many years. and yeah, those caplets REALLY don't
work


On 12/31/06, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've tried liquid Benadryl before.  The cat I gave it to really hated
> the flavor/taste and went ballistic.  Not the reaction I was hoping for
> at all.  If you haven't tried coating pills with a tiny bit of pill
> pocket and hiding it in food, please do.  If the cat is eating at all,
> they usually wolf the pill down with whatever yummy food I put it in.
> I've even put it along side some of those disgusting Whiskas treats and
> they will eat the pill pocketed med right along with the treats.
> Nina
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give
> > it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I
> > wouldn't know what amount to give.  Sheila
>
>
>


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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[TenHouseCats]

i've always given .25 ml of the pediatric liquid with the cats who can't be
pilled. no, they aren't fond of it, but i'm fonder of my fingers--and  for
the behavioral hair-pulling/licking/scratching (which often starts out as an
actual allergic reaction then turns into a behavioral thing), it's worked on
many cats over many years. and yeah, those caplets REALLY don't work


On 12/31/06, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I've tried liquid Benadryl before.  The cat I gave it to really hated
the flavor/taste and went ballistic.  Not the reaction I was hoping for
at all.  If you haven't tried coating pills with a tiny bit of pill
pocket and hiding it in food, please do.  If the cat is eating at all,
they usually wolf the pill down with whatever yummy food I put it in.
I've even put it along side some of those disgusting Whiskas treats and
they will eat the pill pocketed med right along with the treats.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give
> it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I
> wouldn't know what amount to give.  Sheila






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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Nina]

I've tried liquid Benadryl before.  The cat I gave it to really hated 
the flavor/taste and went ballistic.  Not the reaction I was hoping for 
at all.  If you haven't tried coating pills with a tiny bit of pill 
pocket and hiding it in food, please do.  If the cat is eating at all, 
they usually wolf the pill down with whatever yummy food I put it in.  
I've even put it along side some of those disgusting Whiskas treats and 
they will eat the pill pocketed med right along with the treats.

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give 
it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I 
wouldn't know what amount to give.  Sheila

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat (Benadryl for cats)

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

Children's benadryl is so diluted you have to give such a large amount to a
cat it's not practical. I think it's like a whole teaspoon or more to equal
a 12.5MG dose. The adult pills are much easier, they are already small, and
once you cut them in half, they are VERY easy to get into a cat (you can
even usually hide it in some wet food). They only last for about 6 hours
though, so it's more than once a day. I think my vet had me giving them 2x a
day, but it never really "cured" my cat, who has allergies, and not a
psychological condition. Mythic actually ITCHES, he isn't just a hair puller
(which is generally a psychological problem, not a physical one). I would
think Valium would be a better drug for psychological hair pulling, but of
course that's a prescription and probably not cheap. Valium dosages for cats
are usually 2.5MG to 5MG, I believe.

I used to give Mythic a WHOLE Benadryl tablet on my vet's advice
occasionally, but I don't recommend it without veterinary recommendation, as
I think you would need to do a blood panel first (my cat is strong and in
good health).

Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Sheila208]

Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give it with 
a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I wouldn't know what 
amount to give.  Sheila

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

No, you can give benadryl in it's pill form, get the tablets, not the
caplets, and break one in half, that is a safe cat dose! 1/2 of a 25MG
tablet, or 12.5MG is the usual cat dose.

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[elizabeth trent]

The dose my doctor recommended for an extremely upset cat was 1/2 of a 25mg
pill...that might be too much for one with OCD though.  It really calmed
Celena down though..she was insane at the time over an outside cat she saw
through the window...attacking everyone in sight on the inside.  I plan to
talk to my vet about it next week.

On 12/30/06, Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


*Does the Benadryl have to be compounded?  What is the dosage... do you
know?  We've got one that pulls his hair out and I'd like to try it!*
*Thanks!*
*Leslie =^..^=*


On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe
> benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream
> to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.
> She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and
> back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the
> other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to
> give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes
> even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make
> her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the
> edge off I guess.
> Michelle
>



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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Leslie Lawther]

*Does the Benadryl have to be compounded?  What is the dosage... do you
know?  We've got one that pulls his hair out and I'd like to try it!*
*Thanks!*
*Leslie =^..^=*


On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe
benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream
to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.
She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and
back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the
other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to
give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes
even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make
her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the
edge off I guess.
Michelle





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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[elizabeth trent]

Michelle,
I'm so glad you mentioned this.  My Phelix has the same problem with pulling
his hair out from his tummy and back legs...and he does tend to be involved
in some sibling rivalry on a regualr basis.  I'm going to go see the
compounding pharmacist here.

elizabeth


On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe
benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream
to rub inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.
She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and
back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the
other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to
give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes
even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make
her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the
edge off I guess.
Michelle

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Lernermichelle]

If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe  benadryl 
to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to  rub 
inside her ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for  anxiety.  She was 
prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her  belly and back legs, 
and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go  after the other cats, 
and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget  to give it to her, 
it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes  even me. With the 
benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her  groggy at all-- 
she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I  guess.
Michelle

Re: OT: Rescue help need in Los Gatos, California

[Nina]

Oh Gina, what a sad tale and what wonderful people to devote themselves 
in this way.  Many prayers and good wishes that they get the support 
they need and deserve.  Is there someone that could help them with a 
"wish list" of what is needed?  Someone to organize the effort?  Please 
let us know what needs to be done specifically, and what we can do to 
help these dear people and their charges.

Nina

Gina WN wrote:

I'm cross-posting this:
 
Dear Best Friends Members,


For years, the Magills have lived close to a park in Los Gatos that 
was a convenient dumping ground for unwanted cats.For years, Doug 
Magill and his wife have helped the cats abandoned near their home by 
providing them with medical care, food, shelter and love.


But now the Magills are the ones who need help.

As the couple has grown older, it has become harder for them to care 
for the 42 felines who live inside their home or outside on their 
property. Recently, someone called San Jose Animal Control to complain.


The officer who came out to visit the Magills could see that they were 
trying their best with the cats, who appeared to be healthy and 
friendly. He didn't want to confiscate the cats and take them to the 
shelter, so he agreed to work with the Magills as long as they 
continued trying to find other homes for the cats.


The Magills have managed to find homes for a few of the cats on their 
own, but they both have health problems that make it difficult to 
spend much time posting flyers or attending adoption events.


You can help them by spreading the word about these cats, many of whom 
are Siamese mixes. Please forward this email to anyone you know who 
might be able to assist the Magills in finding homes for their rescued 
cats.


If you need more information or would like to adopt a cat yourself, 
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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Nina]

Hi Kelley,
Welcome to the world of "How the heck am I going to overcome all that's 
happened to this poor aggressive cat?".  The key is patience, love and 
respect, with a heavy emphasis on patience.  Some of these poor scared 
individuals are more difficult than others, but with understanding of 
the trauma they've been through, you can eventually gain their trust. 

Everyone's suggestions have been really good.  (Thank you so much Chris 
for the detailed description of how you dealt with Romeo's acclimation.  
Well done!).  Keeping Caroline in a confined, smaller space at first 
will help her feel safer.  She's "hiding" in the sink because it's the 
best place she's found in the bathroom to protect herself from 
intruders, (that's you my dear).  It's got walls of a sort and she has a 
good vantage point to defend herself.  Do make sure you give her 
someplace more appropriate and protected to hide.  Think of it as her 
fort.  I understand the thought about not free feeding her, she does 
need to know the food comes from you, but in her current state I think 
it's better to keep dry down all the time, (do you know what she was 
being fed before?), and then offering her something incredibly yummy 
when you are in there with her.  She's going to know the food is coming 
from you, she's scared, not stupid.  That way she will come to know her 
new home provides everything she needs and you don't want her to go 
hungry if she doesn't have to.  Heaven knows she has enough stress, 
don't add hunger to the equation.  Make it as comfortable as possible in 
her bathroom, shower someplace else, if you can.  I usually put a very 
soft bed down on the floor to encourage them to venture out of their 
"safe place" for more than food, you can put an article of clothing on 
top to get her used to your smell.  A scratching pad or post, (if it 
will fit), will eventually help her burn off some anxiety too.  The RR 
and Feliway can't hurt and just might help, (spray the Feliway on 
articles away from her presence, sometimes the sound of the spray sounds 
like hissing to them).  If you do decide to give her a portion of 
antihistamine, wrap a bit of pill pocket around it and slip it into her 
food, don't try to pill her in the state she's in.  I would wait on 
trying to drug her though, she needs her wits about her to figure out 
that she's really okay, that you are a good guy and she doesn't have 
anything to worry about.  The "eye contact" and body language 
suggestions are good.  You don't want to be pushy with her at all.  Let 
her decide on her own when and if to approach you.  Move very slowly and 
deliberately.  Sit on the floor as far from her as you can in the 
confined space and bring a book to read.  After she begins to get used 
to your presence, start to read aloud to her, or sing her a soft and 
gentle song with her name in the lyrics.  Bring some treats to toss her 
way, if she doesn't take them in your presence, leave them on the floor 
for her to find later.  Give her a routine she can count on.  Feed, 
socialize, clean the litter box all at the same time each day.  I 
usually bring a sleeping bag and pillow in at night to say goodnight.  
Shut the light and get as comfortable as possible, eventually, she'll 
come and check you out when she thinks you are sleeping.  Talk to her 
and tell her what you are going to do when you are with her.


I'm so glad to hear that you are already considering keeping her.  What 
a lucky girl to have found such a compassionate rescuer.  Let her know 
that she will never go through this sort of thing again, that you will 
take your cue from her about whether or not your's will be her forever 
home.  Poor little girl, she's been through so much and the trauma is 
far from over.  Shame on her former human, help her understand that 
we're not all so unconcerned about responsibility to our friends.


The very best to both of you.  Please let us know how Caroline is doing,
Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:

Hi guys,
 
I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue 
friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally 
have at least some medical history.  I got this cat in, and she is 
*extremely aggressive*.  She acts completely feral.  I'm not able to 
get within a foot of her at the most.  I have her in the bathroom by 
herself in hopes she'll calm down.  The previous owner states the cat 
was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors.  However, the 
paperwork from the vet lists "aggression" as a condition going back at 
least 4 years. 
 
Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I can't 
adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if she needed 
medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .
 
Has 

RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Chris]

Well quite by accident I did fall into a way to help socialize my Romeo-he
knew me from my feeding him in a small colony but was NOT happy at being
brought in.  Because I had to separate him initially from my brood, I set
him up in my bedroom.  There's an outer door to the bedroom and the bath
inside my bedroom area also has its own door.  Initially, I put him in the
bathroom but I worried that his howling would disturb my neighbors (I live
in apt).  So out of necessity, I got a big dog kennel (wire one) from a
friend an set him up on top of some boxes in my bedroom-This way, I wouldn't
ever tower over him and he could see everything at eye level.  I put his
litter box and food dishes in there as well as a towel so that he'd be
comfortable.  Then I covered all but one side with a sheet.  The kennel had
a 'shelf' in it so that at least when I went in to clean the box, he could
jump up on the shelf.  He'd sort of retreat to the box when I would change
his food & water.

 

Well, my computer is in my bedroom and I soon realized that as I sat there
working, he'd be peeking out at me.  If I looked at him, he sort of ran and
hid.  So whenever I was going to stay in the room, I'd make sure he was able
to see me at all times.  When I wasn't in, I left one side of the sheet
open.  Anyway, as the days went on, he sort of got used to seeing me, got
used to the radio, the TV, the vacumn cleaner, etc-all those strange inside
noises.  He was safe inside his kennel so he'd just watch.  After about a
week, I opened his kennel door and realized that when I wasn't around, he'd
sort of peek around so I started putting his food dishes at the bottom of
the boxes & he'd jump out to eat and then quickly jump back up to get in his
box.  Then after another week, I put his litter box in the bathroom and
switched him to a much smaller kennel where he could sleep but without his
food or litter.  Getting him in there was a trick-had to put the door of the
big kennel against the door of the small kennel and sort of slide him in
there!  Once I got him in the little kennel, I showed him where the litter
box was by bringing the kennel in the bathroom.  Then I brought him back on
top of the boxes in the bedroom.  He'd wait til I was out of the room or
until he thought I was asleep & then sneak around the corner into the box. 

 

We went that way for about 2 weeks.  He got braver and braver even with me
in the room but would always jump back up to his kennel if he got scared.
Then about a month after I brought him in, I was sitting at my computer and
saw that he had jumped on my bed and was making himself comfortable.  Of
course, the minute I leaned over the monitor to look, he hopped back into
his kennel but I knew it was all going to be fine-he had found the creature
comforts of inside living!  I left the kennel up for another couple of weeks
but by then my other cats were visiting and I got rid of it when I realized
they were  spending more time in it than he was!  

 

Soo, I think that by accident I sort of did 'immersion' socialization.  He
could see everything-hear everything-and still be safe.  Once he realized
nothing terrible was going to happen and that beds are really pretty neat,
he was fine.  He's turned into the biggest mush in the world.  He'll let me
do anything to him but pick him up-ane we're working on that!  

 

 

 

Chris

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:14 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat

 

Hi guys,

 

I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue friends
love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least
some medical history.  I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*.
She acts completely feral.  I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the
most.  I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down.  The
previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any
visitors.  However, the paperwork from the vet lists "aggression" as a
condition going back at least 4 years.  

 

Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I can't adopt
out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if she needed medical
attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .

 

Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this?  If I didn't know
better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all.



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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Gloria Lane]

Oh.h.h. yeaa - sounds very familiar.  I'd give her some time to  
herself for a few days, and see how she reacts to a little tasty  
canned food after that.  I've had the NICEST cats start out quite   
aggressive, because they didn't like the new and different  
surroundings, don't like leaving their homes, watching their stuff  
being packed up, etc.  When I got C.J., he was really scarey.  But he  
turned into such a sweetheart. Same with Katie.  Have had others do  
that too.  I'd say - it's not time to worry yet.


Gloria


On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


Hi guys,

I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue  
friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they  
generally have at least some medical history.  I got this cat in,  
and she is *extremely aggressive*.  She acts completely feral.  I'm  
not able to get within a foot of her at the most.  I have her in  
the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down.  The previous  
owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any  
visitors.  However, the paperwork from the vet lists "aggression"  
as a condition going back at least 4 years.


Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I  
can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if  
she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .


Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this?  If I  
didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been  
around humans at all.



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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

An old story to many on the list but one that may help:  The Royal Princess 
Kitty Katt knew me most of her life.  She had decided to live with my parents 
after a few months of living feral.  Unfortunately I was the one who took her 
to the vet's, cut her nails etc.  But she knew me and liked me sort of part of 
the time.  My father died and, until then, he was her favorite person.  It was 
just Kitty and Mom for a number of years.  Then Mom decided she could not take 
care of Kitty and sent her to me to live the rest of her life.  Kitty was 
ballistic.  Her job was taking care of Mom and she was moved to a city from the 
country, to a house that was considerably different in terms of neighbors, 
heating, air conditioning, street noises ...you name it, it 
was different.  Including a working person as opposed to a person who stayed 
home with her all the time.  Talk about major trauma.  I spent 3 months 
sleeping on the floor near the couch she hid under.  Gradually she came out and 
finally slept with me on the floor.  Life did get a lot better.  This was a 
perfectly tame, wonderful little calico cat who was moved to someone she knew 
and who had access to an animal communicator.   Caroline has been thrown out of 
a home and "given" to someone who is a total unknown with unknown everything 
that goes with it.  If you have access to an animal communicator, you might ask 
her to reassure Caroline.



 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:27 PM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Poor thing, her name is Caroline.  I was thinking of Charlottes web...
  She had two cats, but found a home for the other.  So Caroline is in a 
strange place, without her kitty friend.


  On 12/29/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Poor Charlotte.  Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin

Diane R.




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley 
Saveika
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

 
Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one.  She 
didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did.  So Charlotte was clearly 
tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do 
at this point).  Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. 


On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
  Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly 
usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a "sweet kitty with no problems" to 
actually arrive to you as "kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in 
a fit of rage". That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was 
a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change 
and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem 
completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, 
and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, 
baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in 
with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders 
angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body 
language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face 
relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to 
approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't 
face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to 
your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come 
around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that 
she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. 

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

I wouldn't take it too personally. She probably knew the "friend" already,
where you are a total stranger. Up til now, her entire life experience with
strangers has likely been limited to vets and vet techs, none of which do
anything even remotely nice to her (in her opinion). She probably knows she
has been "replaced" by this man as well, and is going through at least a
little self-doubt as to her self-worth. It's hard to be considered trash and
not be at least a little hurt and defensive about it. Give her time and
patience, and realize that if you continually show her love, she may
eventually begin to show it back to you.

Phaewryn

Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one.  She
didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did.  So Charlotte was clearly
tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could
do at this point).  Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol.

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

Poor thing, her name is Caroline.  I was thinking of Charlottes web...
She had two cats, but found a home for the other.  So Caroline is in a
strange place, without her kitty friend.


On 12/29/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Poor Charlotte.  Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin

Diane R.

 --
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


 Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one.  She
didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did.  So Charlotte was clearly
tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could
do at this point).  Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol.

On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly
> usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a "sweet kitty with no problems"
> to actually arrive to you as "kitty from hell about to gouge out your
> eyeballs in a fit of rage". That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in
> that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked
> out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak
> out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a
> smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside
> each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed).
> When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always
> keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as
> that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your
> eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of
> friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on
> the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly
> while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be
> quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the
> owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you
> would take her. It happens.
>
> Phaewryn
>
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RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Poor Charlotte.  Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one.  She
didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did.  So Charlotte was
clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more
than I could do at this point).  Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she
saw me...lol. 


On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is
certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a "sweet kitty with
no problems" to actually arrive to you as "kitty from hell about to
gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage". That being said, you do
sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and
is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and
strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My
suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her
lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and
a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with
her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your
shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is
threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your
eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of
friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down
on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there
quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move
slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or
maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she
is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. 


Phaewryn
 
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RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

In the area of eye contact, I learned this on feral_cats:  the slow
blink.  Like narrowed eyes, this is a sign of friendship if you can do
it with some subtlety.  Blink very slowly, make very brief eye contact,
blink again and this time look slightly away from her, blink again and
make brief eye contact.  For some reason the averted gaze part connects
with a lot of cats.
 
Oh, and another thing is to make sure the food comes and goes with you.
Don't leave it even if she doesn't eat while you're there.  You=food,
and food=good, so therefore, eventually, you=good.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Phaewryn O'Gwynn
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly
usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a "sweet kitty with no
problems" to actually arrive to you as "kitty from hell about to gouge
out your eyeballs in a fit of rage". That being said, you do sometimes
get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so
totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers
that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is
to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding
places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with
an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very
slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away
from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body
language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your
face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't
try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room
and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she
gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her
room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have
completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take
her. It happens.

Phaewryn
 
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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one.  She
didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did.  So Charlotte was clearly
tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could
do at this point).  Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol.

On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly
usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a "sweet kitty with no problems"
to actually arrive to you as "kitty from hell about to gouge out your
eyeballs in a fit of rage". That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in
that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked
out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak
out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a
smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside
each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed).
When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always
keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as
that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your
eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of
friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on
the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly
while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be
quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the
owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you
would take her. It happens.

Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually
NOT what one gets! It's common for a "sweet kitty with no problems" to
actually arrive to you as "kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs
in a fit of rage". That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that
really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out
by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out
and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a
smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside
each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed).
When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always
keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as
that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your
eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of
friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on
the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly
while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be
quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the
owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you
would take her. It happens.

Phaewryn

Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care!
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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[cindy reasoner]

I haven't had any experience with an aggressive cat
but I think it is so wonderful that you took her. 
Maybe her aggression is from being scared and in a new
place. Poor baby.  I am sure she is probably scared
when she has been taken to the vet so maybe that is
why their paperwork says she is aggressive.  I know my
Tabby Cat and Nicholas are so sweet at home but at the
vet's office they turn into these cats I have never
seen before.  Especially Tabby Cat the vet has will
bite on her chart.  She doesn't show that behavior at
home.  I hope things get better for you and the new
kitty.

Cindy
--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most
> of my rescue friends
> love taking in owner surrendered cats because they
> generally have at least
> some medical history.  I got this cat in, and she is
> *extremely
> aggressive*.  She acts completely feral.  I'm not
> able to get within a foot
> of her at the most.  I have her in the bathroom by
> herself in hopes she'll
> calm down.  The previous owner states the cat was
> friendly with her and
> never attacked any visitors.  However, the paperwork
> from the vet lists
> "aggression" as a condition going back at least 4
> years.
> 
> Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of
> my cats.  I can't adopt
> out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point,
> if she needed medical
> attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .
> 
> Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like
> this?  If I didn't know
> better I'd swear she was feral and had never been
> around humans at all.
> 
> 
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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[elizabeth trent]

I definitely recommend the feliway, rescue remedy and giving her a place to
hide where she will feel safe.  I've had some success in the past giving a
very agressive cat 1/2 of a 25mg benedryl...my vet at the time told me to do
that.  Wasn't easy getting it down her but it did a lot to calm her down.

elizabeth


On 12/29/06, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 New thought:  Leave a piece of your clothing (old please) where she can
get used to the smell.  A well used wash cloth or towel would work.






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exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk 
*Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM
*Subject:* OT - Help, aggressive cat


 Hi guys,

I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue friends
love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least
some medical history.  I got this cat in, and she is *extremely
aggressive*.  She acts completely feral.  I'm not able to get within a foot
of her at the most.  I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll
calm down.  The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and
never attacked any visitors.  However, the paperwork from the vet lists
"aggression" as a condition going back at least 4 years.

Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I can't adopt
out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if she needed medical
attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .

Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this?  If I didn't know
better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all.


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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

New thought:  Leave a piece of your clothing (old please) where she can get 
used to the smell.  A well used wash cloth or towel would work.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk 
  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM
  Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Hi guys,

  I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue friends 
love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some 
medical history.  I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*.  She 
acts completely feral.  I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most.  
I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down.  The previous 
owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors.  
However, the paperwork from the vet lists "aggression" as a condition going 
back at least 4 years.  

  Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I can't adopt 
out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if she needed medical 
attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .

  Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this?  If I didn't know 
better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all.


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  http://www.rescuties.org

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Marylyn]

I use Feliway spray and Rescue Remedy with the ferals I have worked with.  They 
work wonders on distraught cats of any kind.  Spray the room she is in with the 
Feliway and maybe some concentrated catnip and put RR in her water (you may 
want to take some too).  Remember the cat is very confused and frightened.  She 
has been removed from her person and placed in a strange home with strange cats 
and... She may not act like this when she realizes she is safe.  Also 
let the cat see you when you put out food.  Try not to free feed her.  She 
needs to associate you with food and with treats.  This will work out.  You 
just have to be extremely patient.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk 
  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM
  Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Hi guys,

  I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue friends 
love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some 
medical history.  I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*.  She 
acts completely feral.  I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most.  
I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down.  The previous 
owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors.  
However, the paperwork from the vet lists "aggression" as a condition going 
back at least 4 years.  

  Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I can't adopt 
out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if she needed medical 
attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .

  Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this?  If I didn't know 
better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all.


  -- 
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

I will try, but she's not in the floor.  She's in the sink, and ferociously
defending her new territory.  I had to brush my teeth at the bathroom sink:)

On 12/29/06, Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


*I agree with Diane... but you might also try Feliway or Comfortzone in
the bathroom with her.  I have had success with both of those products.  You
can also try Rescue Remedy in her water.  We take in feral cats, and my
advice would be to go in the bathroom with her... sit on the floor (get down
to her level) and take baby food or treats to offer.  Talk softly and just
spend time letting her get used to you.   Don't make any quick moves, and
don't force her to come to you... just keep a very calm state of mind when
you're in there and try not to make a lot of eye contact with her.  It
will take time, so don't expect her to come to you on the first trip in...
She's scared right now, and that could take a while to overcome. *
*Leslie =^..^=*


 On 12/29/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue
> friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at
> least some medical history.  I got this cat in, and she is *extremely
> aggressive*.  She acts completely feral.  I'm not able to get within a foot
> of her at the most.  I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll
> calm down.  The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and
> never attacked any visitors.  However, the paperwork from the vet lists
> "aggression" as a condition going back at least 4 years.
>
> Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I can't
> adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if she needed
> medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .
>
> Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this?  If I didn't
> know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all.
>
>
> --
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>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>



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patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Leslie Lawther]

*I agree with Diane... but you might also try Feliway or Comfortzone in the
bathroom with her.  I have had success with both of those products.  You can
also try Rescue Remedy in her water.  We take in feral cats, and my advice
would be to go in the bathroom with her... sit on the floor (get down to her
level) and take baby food or treats to offer.  Talk softly and just spend
time letting her get used to you.   Don't make any quick moves, and don't
force her to come to you... just keep a very calm state of mind when you're
in there and try not to make a lot of eye contact with her.  It will
take time, so don't expect her to come to you on the first trip in... She's
scared right now, and that could take a while to overcome. *
*Leslie =^..^=*


On 12/29/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi guys,

I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue friends
love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least
some medical history.  I got this cat in, and she is *extremely
aggressive*.  She acts completely feral.  I'm not able to get within a foot
of her at the most.  I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll
calm down.  The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and
never attacked any visitors.  However, the paperwork from the vet lists
"aggression" as a condition going back at least 4 years.

Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I can't adopt
out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if she needed medical
attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .

Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this?  If I didn't know
better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all.


--
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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

There are others here who probably have much more useful info for you,
but from hanging out on the feral_cats list, sounds to me like you may
have to treat her exactly like a feral -- cage and (re)socialize.  It
can be done, just a case of baby steps, going slow, winning trust,
patience patience patience.  Bless you for taking her in.
 
Diane R.



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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM
To: felvtalk
Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat


Hi guys,
 
I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue
friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally
have at least some medical history.  I got this cat in, and she is
*extremely aggressive*.  She acts completely feral.  I'm not able to get
within a foot of her at the most.  I have her in the bathroom by herself
in hopes she'll calm down.  The previous owner states the cat was
friendly with her and never attacked any visitors.  However, the
paperwork from the vet lists "aggression" as a condition going back at
least 4 years.  
 
Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I can't
adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if she needed
medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .
 
Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this?  If I didn't
know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at
all.


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OT - Help, aggressive cat

[Kelley Saveika]

Hi guys,

I took in an owner surrendered cat last night.  Most of my rescue friends
love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least
some medical history.  I got this cat in, and she is *extremely
aggressive*.  She acts completely feral.  I'm not able to get within a foot
of her at the most.  I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll
calm down.  The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and
never attacked any visitors.  However, the paperwork from the vet lists
"aggression" as a condition going back at least 4 years.

Any ideas?  I think this is going to become one of my cats.  I can't adopt
out a cat I know to be aggressive.  At this point, if she needed medical
attention I'd need to trap her to take her in .

Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this?  If I didn't know
better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all.


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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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OT: Rescue help need in Los Gatos, California

[Gina WN]

I'm cross-posting this:
   
  Dear Best Friends Members,
  
For years, the Magills have lived close to a park in Los Gatos that was a 
convenient dumping ground for unwanted cats.For years, Doug Magill and his wife 
have helped the cats abandoned near their home by providing them with medical 
care, food, shelter and love.

But now the Magills are the ones who need help.

As the couple has grown older, it has become harder for them to care for the 42 
felines who live inside their home or outside on their property. Recently, 
someone called San Jose Animal Control to complain.

The officer who came out to visit the Magills could see that they were trying 
their best with the cats, who appeared to be healthy and friendly. He didn't 
want to confiscate the cats and take them to the shelter, so he agreed to work 
with the Magills as long as they continued trying to find other homes for the 
cats.

The Magills have managed to find homes for a few of the cats on their own, but 
they both have health problems that make it difficult to spend much time 
posting flyers or attending adoption events.

You can help them by spreading the word about these cats, many of whom are 
Siamese mixes. Please forward this email to anyone you know who might be able 
to assist the Magills in finding homes for their rescued cats. 

If you need more information or would like to adopt a cat yourself, please 
contact Doug Magill directly: 408-356-1602 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: need help - cause of unknown nonregenerative anemia

[Gussies mom]

Is she FeLV positive? 

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi, I just got back 
from ultrasound appointment for my ayumi – her left side of top wall is very 
enlarged –and she has non regenerative anemia – does heart problem cause 
anemia?  Also her BP is very low even with epogen (about 55) – she does not 
have FIP or cancer – or any parasite – what could it be?   Her PCV is 18 now 
and scheduling for transfusion in two weeks if epogen does not work for her – 
any insight is appreciated.



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Re: need help - cause of unknown nonregenerative anemia

[Phaewryn - Controversy Queen]

My first guess is FELV. I assume she's been tested, right? How about
retested if she was previously negative?

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need help - cause of unknown nonregenerative anemia

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Hi, I just got back from ultrasound appointment for my ayumi - her left
side of top wall is very enlarged -and she has non regenerative anemia -
does heart problem cause anemia?  Also her BP is very low even with
epogen (about 55) - she does not have FIP or cancer - or any parasite -
what could it be?   Her PCV is 18 now and scheduling for transfusion in
two weeks if epogen does not work for her - any insight is appreciated.

Re: Help! Questions about anemia

[Nina]

Dear little Stamp, (What a great name for a post office refugee).  I'm 
so pleased to hear his PCV is rising.  It sounds like your vet was 
throwing the kitchen sink at your little tyke.  In my opinion, just what 
they should do under the circumstances.  I don't know if I would have 
gone with the Pred so quickly, (since it tends to diminish immune 
response), but the Doxy makes sense since the anemia could be undetected 
Hemobart.  Prayers that the new vet is on top of their game and is able 
to keep Stamp healthy and you satisfied with his approach to treatment.


I would suggest to your friend that she seek another opinion about her 
kitten's care.  I can understand why the vet thinks that an IFA might be 
premature, but to refuse?  I've never heard anything about Interferon 
"stunting growth", but felv will stunt it in a far more dangerous way 
even if there is some validity to that.  I've also never heard that a 
kitten's PCV is "different" than an adult's.  There's just too much head 
scratching associated with her vet's comments for me to feel comfortable.

Nina

Gussies mom wrote:
I have a 3-4 month old kitten named Stamp. I noticed his tongue was 
pale even though he was running around like crazy, so I took him to 
the vet to have a PCV. It was 23. They said he was anemic and put him 
on Doxy, Prednisilone, and interferon. 2 weeks later his PCV was 26. I 
have never had an FeLV cat's PCV increase The vet said the 
Prednisilone can help maintain their Red blood cells.
 
A friend of mine just had her 3 month old kitten test a slight 
positive for FeLV on both an in house Elisa and an Elisa they sent out 
(I thought the only one they sent out was an IFA, but she confirmed 
that was not what he had and the vet refuses to do an IFA at this 
point - huh?) She also refuses to put him on Interferon because she 
said it will stunt his growth - I've never heard that. I would think 
It would help boost his immune system if he is trying to fight it off.
 
Anyway. Her kitten tested at a 30 on his PCV and the vet said a 24-30 
was normal for a kitten; that a kitten's normal PCV is different than 
an adults. I've never heard this. All my FeLV cats in the past died 
from anemia. The normal for my adults has been 37-42. They all died at 
PCVs of 7-10
 
This is what the vet said about Stamp's full bloodworkup that was sent 
out:
 
CBC shows anemia

Not regenerating well
White blood cell count low
Stay on Doxycycline, Prednisolone and iron supplement and Innurferon
 
Recheck in two weeks or sooner if not doing well.
 
Has anyone had an FeLV kitten that has had a PCV and know what the vet 
said was normal. All mine were adults when they got sick.
Stamp goes to a new vet Friday to be rechecked(Shelter is swithching 
vets). We'll see if there is a totally different opinion this time. I 
just don't know what to think right now.
 
Beth & Stamp



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